qott: which team are you on?
i think most trannies want to assimilate but we're probably gonna need a bit of liberation to allow us to be able to get hormones at a young age so we can even assimilate.
>>416901842 is the only option atp the jig is up everyones talking about us all the time and theres no way every single trans person can pass. id rather live in 1
>>41690184Trans liberation but from a capitalist perspective because you know socialism has never once actually worked.
>>41690677>Socialism has never worked!Very well your majesty
>>41690184It's a bit ridiculous to prescribe blanket left-right dichotomy to these positions
>>41690677>socialism never works>yes i live in a failed capitalist country, why do you ask?
trans extermination
>>41690184I'm an enlightened centrist on this because I think pride, a spine and self respect are all important and nobody is going to respect you for groveling like a dog. And I think we should be able to live lives of dignity and respect even if we physically cannot pass, not passing shouldn't mean you're less than someone who does. I think cis people are transphobic because people can be cruel and things that are different are scary, they need to be taught to stop being transphobic. On the other hand I don't feel like radically changing how society views gender is possible. I'm actually pretty conservative in this regard because my view of transition is "alright so step 1 there are man voices and woman voices and you need to stop sounding like that if you want to be viewed differently."
>>41690184Uhhh both I guessPassing and assimilating is obviously a good idea for lots of trans people ,kuz being an out and open minority kan klose some doors and lead to diskrimination at best ,and hate krimes at worstHowever obviously we should also work towards ending that bigotry in sosiety ,and freeing trans people from sosietal konstrukts and expektations that exklude and/or oppress them
>>41690184I'm assimilationist, so I am all for affordable and easy to access medical treatments for people all ages to reach that goal. I think 18 should be mininum age for surgeries and something like 13 maybe for hormones. Although, the hormones are an especially hard question as they have an age limit to how effective they are, and that age is always pretty low, especially nowadays when people begin puberty disgustingly early. Until we understand how the brain works in detail and we can know for sure who is "trutran" and who isn't, I don't think there's any good solution. I think people who seem trutrans should be given the option of hormone treatment in their early teens nontheless. I'm blessed with stealthing, even naked, despite getting hrt only at 16, and I was probably a "twinkhon" up until 18. It must be very painful to never be able to assimilate because of your morphology
i want to assimilate but only because of discrimination. i dont mind some people knowing im trans, as long as i have the body i want i don't see why that should matter
>>41690677This is the only true way.
>>41690902you can know because only capitalist countries give it's citizens enough wealth to be able to afford a personal computer to post things on the internet
>>41690184the average person would be more willing to accept trannies if they were a passoid at best, twinkhon at worst and if ftmfemboys were a rarity
>>41690677> socialism has never workedwtf do you mean by "socialism"? Socialism is a very broad set political beliefs.
>>41692814Redistribution of wealthHigher taxesSocialised heathcareLarger, more intrusive stateSeizing the means of production or, as Mamdani wants, seize landlords housesThe ability to force companies to remain open whilst offering no support. Like that white 40 year old Socialist mayor elect woman who gets pocket money from her parents wants
>>41690184neither 100% trans people should try to pass and extreme shows of pride are retarded but so are classical family structures and capitalism
>>41692913>names only 1 socialist policyyou are a complete retard
>optics generalright now i'm in the process of designing an infinity corrected epi fluorescence microscope for imaging of algal cell autofluorescence. at first i didn't think it would be possible with my budget but it turns out chinese manufacturers have been selling 30mm cage components for half the price so i might be able to build it for as low as $300 not including the objective or the camera.
>>41692814socialism is really not that broad. it's not completely fixed with no room for differences sure but broad is not a term i would use it has a very direct meaning
>>41692778Cumrade, connect to motherframe for trve freedom!
>>41692913>Redistribution of wealth>Higher taxesThe reason America sucks right now is because the wealth of the lower 90% of America is being funneled (redistributed) upwards and not being redistributed(taxed) from the people currently hoarding it. It is genuinely that simple.
>>41690184Trans juche, an assimilationist trans community is always in danger if they're exposed and a "liberated" trans community that is "liberated" by an external government will exist only by the permit of that government and its people, which is subject to change, look at Weimar Germany or the current situation in the U.S for examplesWe need to rely on ourselves and build capital and power for our own community, that's the only way to ensure our permanent existence and the best possible outcomes for trans people everywhere Get high paying job, start mutual aid network, etc, we can't rely on cisciety
>>41690184liberation in theory, assimilation for myself
>>41690184Liberation.Transphobes aren’t quelled by assimilated trannies (see Brianna Wu, Blair White). They will push the boundaries on how far they can exterminate and remove queer people (and to a fuller extent, minorities in general) out of the public view as they can.
>>41690184Being around trannies in the real world has irredeemably disenfranchised me from their worldview. I don't like liberalism, but troons should definitely focus on assimilating into society as the opposite gender they transition to. I never understood the contemporary leftist perspective on this issue. Why would a tranny want to be identified as a tranny, and not as the gender they are trying to imitate? Personally, as an MtF, I'd much rather be identified as male than as a transsexual.
Trans vs. faketrans ass discourse.
>>41693440>Transphobes aren’t quelled by assimilated tranniesInert normies who decide the vote are, though
>>41692913did u know socialism is essentially just common ownership of the means of productionthere's more to it but it's literally not when the guvment pays for your cancer treatment
>>41690184liberation until all trannies are completely safe to choose to stealth or not
>>41695560the same inert normies don’t give a fuck about loud gays (pride parades) either. So either way, standing against assimilation is the moral choice that still doesn’t justify normies or anyone to systemically excise trans people.
>>41691034>because I think pride, a spine and self respect are all important and nobody is going to respect you for groveling like a dogPeople only respect you if you can demonstrate a capability to get them by the balls. You being prideful does nothing but annoy them and respect you less.
I guess I would be a centrist, I think assimilation is always a good thing (not just for trannies, normal is generally good) but it should be ok to be visibly trans because I think its wrong to screw over people who don't have the genetics to pass and having to stealth is unnecissary stress. If you have to be visibly trans idk just be modest about it and its all good.
>>41692141In practice, trutrans is whoever had a life experience that made them figure out they are trans earlier so they could get hormones, or decent genetics. By virtue of us being deviants, a lot of trannies are just inherently autistics with 0 social skills so they will always act and look like retards, there is no changing this it does not make them bad people.Psychologically I know its disturbing to think you are no different from the fat weird rapehons, but it really is so (you just aren't an autist).
>>41696958I've also noticed how these discussions always attract the most obnoxious youngshits who somehow found out what hormones are when they are 14 and won't shut up about the fact that they are some how different the weird uncanny transexuals. No, you are not, you just happened to be a teenager in 2020.
>>41696993(also, caring about stealthing while naked, lol fucking agp)
i'm of the opinion that those who can ACTUALLY pass and get along in society should, mtf or ftm. anyone else should rep or stay hidden. burqas if needed. just limit society's exposure to us as much as possible.
>>41692141i also started at 16 but am cursed with being kinda tall and still twinkhonish at 19. my bf says it's not over and there's hope for me with ffs and if i got a haircut but i am definitely anti-assimilation, but also not a trans liberation type, i just don't want to be seen.
>>41690184Team assimilation. Fuck non-passers.>>41690582You don't need hormones at a young age. You need to be born with a defect that makes you skip a significant amount of masculinization in utero, during minipuberty, and during puberty.>>41690618The 1% who actually pass need to split off from the rest and stop lending them our credibility.>>41690902Capitalism is working just fine for me. Capitalism enabled me to transition without waiting years or decades for the public healthcare system to give me an appointment.>>41696993Hormones at 14 won't make you pass if you got standard prenatal and early childhood masculinization.
>>41697051Frankly I think the assimilation pushers are just lucky people who don't mind screwing over the unlucky. I don't want anyone to go around acting like a fat retard or anything but the fact is that if you are visibly trans that's when the rights matter, it doesn't matter if you are secretly 1/4 nigger or something if you look white you would have been able to use the front door back in segregation times.
>>41697051Male puberty is mostly finished by 16. It's sad that clinicians and trans activists lie about the effectiveness of teen transition.
>>41697062Think about this logically retards. Transitioning is merely a treatment for GD.Option A:All trannies must pass, do nothing to change this. The procedure is only occassionally an option.Option B:Get people ok enough with trannies so the procedure can be used more often.Medically I don't see how the hell you can justify A when you can do B.
>>41694526>Personally, as an MtF, I'd much rather be identified as male than as a transsexual.Most MtFs today are desperate not to be male. They have more dysphoria over being male than they do over not being female. You're evidently in the minority. It doesn't mean anything, it's just how it is.
>>41697150well she is a transsexual, its an accurate descriptor so she better fucking get over it
>>41697150i wish i was fucking male just as much as i wish i was female. i just wish i was anything but this
>>41697173You are self hating. A lot of queers are, but this is a learned behavior on your part because society doesn't like us and that is easy to internalize.
>>41697173That's what they'll never understand. Being a normal male sounds fantastic, but is sadly unattainable.
>>41697179that's okay! i know i am! i do hate myself!!! there's not much reason not to, it's more effort, far more embarrassing, and actually has a net *negative* impact on my life to try and "embrace who i am" or whatever the fuck. i just want to not be seen, not be noticed, not be talked to, and get taken with the singularity
>>41697180yup, but you do have to be ok with what you are now its not like anything else is an option.
>>41697186killing myself is an option. death is preferable to constant public humiliation
>>41697183You don't have to embrace it but you are kind of fucked, its what you are. Maybe it does actively make your life worse, but you don't have a say in what you are or how the world reacts to it.Your kinda fucked but its not your fault, at least don't hate yourself since its not your fault at all.
>>41697192People care a lot less than you think they do, even if you don't pass they just think "huh that's a tranny don't see those around much". It's never as bad as you think it is among normies, and the people who hate you, you wouldn't have liked them anyways.
>>41697205Now those people who hate you, in a lot of the world they are genuinly a physical threat, but its not shameful its just like having to avoid any other hazard. Good people don't care, they might think its weird but they don't judge a whole lot.
>>41697219ok well i know how i feel when i see a tranny in public being expressive of how they feel and i think it should be my job (and others) to make sure nobody else has to feel that
Im a secret third thing only few know of
>>41697244many such claimed cases
>>41697233Yeah your a tranny, we hold ourselves to higher standards. Normies barely fucking care, its probably the first time trans stuff crosses their mind the whole week, its a novelty at worst. For you its "everything I think about how to avoid every morning". I barely reacted to hons before transitioning and now I do.
>>41697253now stop wallowing in your own misery you damn idiot
The only way trans people will ever be accepted is if they become liberal capitalists. Homosexuals sold out to capital, feminists sold out to capital. Being an extremist never worked.I also think non binaries and hons should be sent to the gas chamber, really society is only going to accept tranners if they are super passers and none of this my pronouns are xi xer zum and im triple gender clown bullshit. Its about optics and threats. Does the mainstream trans community want to be perceived as hot bitches or ugly hons. Does the trans community want to be perceived as a threat to capital, then get ready to be squished like a bug then
>>41697300Trans people who work to fund their transitions instead of relying on other people to do it for them through insurance premiums or taxes are more palatable to the public. I agree that we should support liberal capitalism.The ideal situation is that you take out a loan to pay for your transition, your transition succeeds and enables you to get a better job, and then you can repay the loan. Entrepreneurial spirit.
kil all opticsfags>>41697059kys
>>41697300trans people will be accepted if they wait 5 years and conservatives lose interest like they did with the gays its really not that hard, these threads are stupid. Hons will always exist and so will hot passoids they are the yin and yang of this entire thing, opposite and inseparable.I agree, fuck neopronouns though.
>>41697357>conservaturds ignoring gay people
>>41690184A mixture of both. Trannies should strive to pass and be functional members of society but also not be bootlicking assimilationists who abandon their community
>>41697150I almost see being openly like that and choosing to be openly like that to be masculine in on itself. The narcissism, porn addiction, and lack of any self-awareness that is seen in autogynephiles borders on this extreme in a similar sense that pooners that attempt to be masculine just come off as more feminine. Keeping to myself and dressing in a neutral way just makes the most logical sense in the position I'm in.>>41697163I never claimed I weren't a transsexual, hence why I made my reply to begin with. Though I can take issue with how transgenders (note: difference in terminology) are perceived by normies, and how they perceive the world. I find the latter to be abhorrent to the extent in which I'd rather deal with the pain of presenting of a male.
>>41697699exactly, its not that hard to figure out>>41698673You will never not be a tranny, maybe I was a bit harsh with my words but it is the truth. You can either make peace with that or not. I can tell you desperately try to cling to the idea that you are somehow better than the freaks because you haven't made peace with it. Fundamentally you have the same medical condition and underwent the same treatment, have fun.
>>41698711maybe I could have been nicer about your anxiety, but you are attempting to put others down so I can take the sugar off and just call you a self hating idiot which is nice
>>41698724When I was "just" a gay guy I had my "I'm not like THOSE gays!" phase too. All it does is make you hate yourself and justify more shit being taken away without much of a fight. It makes you a coward and a traitor, it is not morally right forgive cowards and traitors.
>>41690184assimilationism didn't work out for the jewish people
>>41693176wow this is so cool nona!!! how hard is it
>>41690902all systems fail yes, as humans we are imperfect and Capitalism seems to last longer give more freedom to the most people then any other practiced system.we should not let prefect be the enemy of the good.>>41692642personally I this we need boring propaganda as that's more representative of what capitalism is.nice meme though>>41692814I mean socialistic states that take influence from the stated path of belief system of socialist thinkers, I understand not all socialism is the same but to me it all seems to end the same way. We really need to move on from this ideological dead end if we don't want to go extinct as a species. So ya I mean all of it, but that's not to say it's not possible we just don't have the means to make it work as we are right now and that won't change within our lifetimes or our children's lifetime.
>>41698909"for the most people" is doing all the legwork in this equation of yours, and you're missing something else important. if you wanted to talk purely of freedom then primitive communism would be the most liberated state of humans, naturally we don't want this, not even most communists want this either. modern luxury is important and necessary to understand quality of life as well.the criticism made by socialists is not that capitalism has some flaws in its failing, it is that it has a start and end date as a period of history and mode of production that will necessarily be arrived at, and furthermore what necessarily follows will be socialism. this is argued through philosophical analysis and examination of the way human society has progressed, which the largest fraction of present day socialists consider scientific and rooted in sound sociological assessment.it is not that socialist states, or rather, states led by ideologically socialist political parties will eventually win. some socialists believe this, however, it is not my belief that the nation-state as we know it is compatible with socialism, it is nothing but another kind of capitalist enterprise which exists to maintain the free market, as well as to make large investments through the collection of taxes. hence increased taxes are not a symptom of socialism, they are a symptom of a liberal capitalist state making a large investment. historically the largest of these things has been warfare which we can hopefully agree is not as attractive to nation-states as it once was. other secondary uses of the state are maintenance of the roads and other commons, however as we have learned from the latest stage of capitalism (which perhaps began within the last 50 years), neoliberalism, are not actually necessary for the state to maintain. seemingly, democracy has not been necessary to maintain either.
>>41690732>liberalism>revolutiontheyre all far far too massive pussies to revolutionize lol
>>41699246Liberalism produced the French, American, Haitian, 1st Mexican, Latin American, Xinhai (1912 Chinese), and 1848 revolutions. You have to understand, liberals today are wet noodle status quo wusses because they're in the same position as conservatives (I mean actual conservatives, not right-liberals) 200 years ago. As unheroic as bourgeois society is, liberalism required many acts of great individual heroism on the part of ordinary and extraordinary people to get to where it is now.
>>41699032>if you wanted to talk purely of freedom then primitive communism would be the most liberated state of humans, naturally we don't want thisI want this.>not even most communists want this either.Because most communists are liberals.>modern luxury is important and necessary to understand quality of life as well.Those are bourgeois ideals. Homo sapiens is a nomadic species. Settling is against nature.
>>41690902everyone you can talk to about this is a failure of a person, they've never fully introspected and questioned the founding thought processes they were taught as children, it's why antiwork anticapitalism mfs always cry and shit their pants when you say capitalism should end, they're all the same as the people they hate, they just can't commit to the inherent overhaul of ideas that comes with undoing assimilation. it's why shit like individualism is amazing until you force it onto people who lack light and strength to understand iti regret becoming well informed politically desu. everyfuckingone always gets all their dumb fucking ideas from others, instead of having a spine and realizing the world isnt just pick 1 of 2 popular ideas like a fucking slavebrain, everything everywhere is psyopped to hell. everything is made the fuck up, there's no 'marx woulda thought x and not y!!' arguments, its just opps and fucking idiots who know nothing of him projecting their desires onto him
>>41693440why does noone ever bring up that 'democracy' is an inherently nebulous ideal? it's just a le good thing you should always want and strive for but it completely lacks meaning or definition, and politically is therefor meaningless. there's nothing wrong with many of the ideas proposed, but they're incredibly inconsistent, regularly taken back, and inconsistent ideas may as well not exist, save for their use as a propaganda tool.
>>41699377Well you see if you thought about American "democracy" for longer than 3 seconds you'd conclude that it's a complete sham and a joke, so you simply are not supposed to do it.
>>41699032To be a bit more positive I'd say that capitalisms greatest strength is that it allows people to fail in a way the disrupts as little as possible relative to the system itself. If one within the system has the disposable wealth to develop these luxuries there must be value in it, in that new things are developed in different directions. This does cause dislocations overtime within the system but these can be good or bad depending on the circumstances. Socialisms guiding force is equality this is bad in that it wants to be everything at once and puts forth all its energy in one direction leading to rapid collapse, I'm sorry I really don't buy the really socialism hasn't been tried verbiage. For me these ideas have a lot to make up for before I'm personally willing to give them serious considerations again. We haven't seen large scale results, in that most socialist experiments don't last longer then a few years where as capitalism has been around for hundreds of years with a great amount of development, witch includes the development of competing ideologies.
>>41699463>capitalisms greatest strength is that it allows people to fail in a way the disrupts as little as possible relative to the system itselfI look forward to discussing this with you in person at the local hooverville after the AI bubble bursts.
>>41690184I'm on team put some fucking effort into yourself. Forcing society to see you as you wish to be seen is a violation of the rights of others. Making yourself look how you wish to be seen is viable and truly empowering
>>41699500showing a picture of horrible a circumstance says nothing, please try harder.
>>41699556The point, my friend, is that Capitalism famously allows people to fail in ways that are catastrophically disruptive to capitalism, and often to life in general. Yes during periods of stability those failures are small scale, but its whole deal is that it chronically comes within an inch of obliterating itself and (without intervention) kills a shit-ton of people in the process.
>>41690184Assimilation is surely the goal no? You transition to be a girl (assuming mtf).Anyone who is transitioning to become a freak is weird. If that is a stop along your journey to becoming a girl, then it is what it is - but I doubt that is most peoples goal.
>>41699623Liberation would mean you transition to be a woman and are one, but you don't have to hide your past because people would no longer see it as invalidating your present.
>>41699580yet Capitalism persists and shows no sign that it will truly fail. There's probably nothing you could say that would change my mind. Capitalist elites know how different systems interact with one another, they know how to make themselves look weak. Listen it's a nice thought that this system we live in should change, but that's not going to happen. When I see socialists they talk, they point out inconsistency and they propose changes but they always become what they claim to hate or lose outright. We need to do something new, I would propose integration and acceptance of the current system while changing or repairing what we can within the very limited scope of our lives.
>>41699770At one point capitalism and liberalism were also ridiculous fantasies thought up by crazy people who didn't understand that Feudalism is too adaptable to ever truly be replaced by another system. There is nothing more silly than the idea that the present mode of production is permanent. As long as there are contradictions, it can't go on forever. Capitalism is going to die in the next 150 years one way or the other. Either socialism (of some sort, not necessarily the orthodox Marxist one) will overtake it, or capitalism will gleefully usher in a climate catastrophe that shatters the international economic order irreparably and results in the total collapse of large-scale civilization into semi-feudal warlord states or nasty little fascist shitholes.
>>41699300>I want thisbecause you are an anarcho-maoist who doesn't have a framework to even follow to its necessary conclusions. is freedom then also a bourgeois ideal?>>41699880not only that im sure one could using the nebulous categories of capitalism and socialism that permeate liberal thought argue that feudalism never ended, simply changed form to be capitalism case in point they seem to believe that capitalism, mercantilism, and feudalism all arose from economic circumstance whereas socialism must be implemented as a policy of the liberal nation state. capitalism was never declared, it simply emerged as will whatever follows.>>41699463>capitalisms greatest strength is that it allows people to fail in a way the disrupts as little as possible relative to the system itselfthat, my dear is known as a social safety net which even if what you're saying is correct (I don't think it is, crisis is very evidently a part of capitalism's function), would not be absent from socialism. in fact the argument goes that the very factors of resilience within the capitalist economy that resist large-scale collapse will compose the new economy, a socialist economy.>true socialism has never been triednot what I'm saying but I think I understand why you might read it that way and I hope I can persuade you otherwise. my argument is simply that history hasn't ended yet, to be theoretical it is a rejection of the liberal hegelian thesis and not even a necessary endorsement of the marxist hegelian one.as a point in that direction, I will argue that these socialist revolutions - most noteably China and Russia's had significant impact resulting in entirely new domains of political and economic theory and management, and in China's case the most powerful economy in the world. these were not socialist economies, they were mixed economies consisting of institutions that would play a role in both capitalist and socialist systems.
>>41700265>is freedom then also a bourgeois ideal?What do you mean by freedom? Bourgeois freedom is just a massive dependency on complex social systems compensated by a priviliged position in which they themselves are allowed to bend the rules of that system. That's not true freedom since it makes you completely dependent on the production and distribution of your precious luxury goods and services. Even the bourgeois exemption from civil obligations isn't enough to compensate for their total dependence on millions of others and society as a whole.
I fall somewhere in between where I say total cissoid death but trannies should also try to pass and that there's nothing wrong with being *trans*
>>41699880>At one point capitalism and liberalism were also ridiculous fantasieshmm I don't believe that's true people have always wanted for more that why capitalism works so well within a human frame work, its very in line with the human ego.>climate catastropheYou know the countries that have done the most to combat this issue are capitalist in nature.>>41700265>social safety netthis is highly dependent of the culture we're talking about and ya they can work but there needs to be adequate responsibility associated with such systems. I find socialistic types seem to forget this when talking about such things.---I'd like to reiterate that these are nice thoughts but still totally unworkable within the context that we find ourselves in, we need to do better.
>>41699320>"everyfuckingone always gets all their dumb fucking ideas from others"The miasma of publik konsiousnessAlmost everyones beliefs are either fueled by pure self interested hate and/or selfishness ,or a mishmash of a bunc of aktual original ideas without any understanding of their origin or reason ,kombined in suc a way as to make them inherently kontradiktory>"there's no 'marx woulda thought x and not y!!' arguments, its just opps and fucking idiots who know nothing of him projecting their desires onto him"Anyone who is an orthodox Marxist in this day and age is kinda an idiotSome of his ideas are wrong from the get go ,the stuff he predikted didnt kome to pass ,and he was writing for a time that no longer exists
>>41700524>the countries that have done the most to combat this issueCapitalism doesn't care about countries. Obviously the national bourgeoisie of countries that will be ratfucked by climate change pressure their governments to do something. The international bourgeoisie dgaf and will continue pumping oil and natural gas out of the ground and lighting it on fire. Capitalism is incapable on a world-systemic scale of combatting climate change because its core logic doesn't factor climate change in. By the time markets are able to comprehend what climate change will do and price assets accordingly it will be waaaaaaaay too late.
>>41690184team ass. fuck the libs.
>>41702466liberalism and what they call liberation are unironically not the same
I’ll say this once again to everyone arguing about ideologies here. you are doing so from the flawed atheist perspective that Christianity has put on society’s since Rome. All humans have a spiritual component, something that is unsatisfied by both Christianity and modernism genuinely. What did humans who lived in societies that survived the Bronze Age collapse have for instance? However Christianity and abrahamism in general other then some mystic Jewish sects is incredibly atheistic. It’s fundamentally against “doing spirituality” its main focus is put exclusively on the individualism of just be a good little boy and wait for God to rescue you from the bad place. Maybe with the better more radical forms there is the lords supper and the one time baptism but still at the end of the day it’s a performative religion that doesn’t do anything thus was promptly called atheistic by the Roman’s. As such the big void that we feel today both in society and personally is the very lack of spiritual dualism
>>41690184> overtly leftist and anticapitalistWearing Doc Martins, using all Apple products, and glazing the shit of everything Disney does.They are very much capitalist; they are just poor from bad financial decisions (which could be related to being a Disney adult). Or they are hideous huns who demand their sexual perversion of hard cock in leggings should be celebrated. Additionally, the FtM "transliberation" is just retarded leftist karens who more than likely were raised by moms who were the karens of their time, church ladies. These demand liberation because 5'2 girl dressed like Pee Wee Herman will always look like a girl and act like one till T makes them go bald and makes their appetite crazy so they become fat.
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>>41703191>Additionally, the FtM "transliberation" is just retarded leftist karens who more than likely were raised by moms who were the karens of their time, church ladies. These demand liberation because 5'2 girl dressed like Pee Wee Herman will always look like a girl and act like one till T makes them go bald and makes their appetite crazy so they become fat.nice so I should join the liberation side
>>41700524>highly context dependentcertainly agree that and I think you'd be surprised to find sympathy among socialists about the varying preexistence of socialist forms preexisting among different cultures. "gender and the south China miracle" is a really good book about this that develops well beyond the theoretical abstraction of Marxist feminism, finding it insufficient, as a result being much more rigorous and less ideological/theoretical. there is much other reading / thoughts I could get into about what the circumstantial role of the commons is in social transformation based on the history of capital but I'll save you that essay as you probably don't care.>totally unworkable within the context we find ourselves inI think you're still missing my point or just not reading. I dont call myself a socialist and Im not proposing any policies or arguing a case for socialist revolution, simply stating facts that1) capitalism will not last forever, much like how feudalism and mercantilism havent2) socialist revolution has had significant historical impact that changed the form of all nation states and societies.as an example of the latter: the modern field of intelligence (and subsequently, security) would not exist without the demands placed upon it by the cold war and Soviet Union. this matters greatly in terms of philosophy, historiography, statecraft, even business management. it is ridiculous to imagine a modern nation state without an intelligence agency, furthermore the lines become much clearer in terms of international relations when who is spying on who enters the question.
>>41705043>intelligence agencies would not exist without the soviet unioncommunists not escaping the evil allegations
>>41700356>bourgeois freedomI think you can do better than qualify virtues as bourgeois. allow me to explain.>dependent on complex social systems>completely dependent on production and distribution>dependent on millions of othersI disagree, I think on a theoretical level the network of obligations and responsibilities is both enabling of greater agency for those individuals within it and it will also not disappear if we returned to monkey like you argued. in fact I believe if it were possible (I earnestly do not consider it possible) then such a state of anarchy would only give us greater responsibilities to one another: after all, with freedom comes responsibility. I will agree with you however, that the currently-existing network is inadequate both because it is disempowering and because those it does empower it does so in a very scarce way through the destruction of resources that could have served far more good as commons. I think >>41702745 has a point. religion has historically been the thing enabling these networks to function, and it was choked out by christianity which is deeply and inescapably pessimistic.>>4170507my argument is that these things are a result of anti-communism in the West, but you're right that it's a sin both sides of the iron curtain are responsible for which stained history inerradicably. while they existed in some form prior in capitalist democracies, the notion of intelligence was basically alien before WWII and was upgraded out of deeply held existential fear and paranoia of western capitalists who wanted to keep their own lot.
>>41705208>I think you can do better than qualify virtues as bourgeois. allow me to explain...I mean freedom is a vague word. What you are trying to signify by it matters. or do you unironically believe there is a universally shared understanding of it?>I think on a theoretical level the network of obligations and responsibilities is both enabling of greater agency for those individuals within itI know but what about the freedom to choose or reject the network of obligations you ascribe to? The denial of this more fundamental freedom is what you all share with liberals and fascists. But it is the most fundamental freedom of all and every other concept of freedom is derived from the basic ability of natural man to walk away from his tribe should he wish to do so.
>>41705268no, I agree with you that the freedom to leave society is fundamentally important. the issue is that there most be some commons which at this point in history is necessarily maintained by an even larger sense of community which includes other human societies. I will go on to say this was never not the case, and it requires a sense of ecological concern - especially in this era of anthropic geo engineering, which is hubristic, but it is hubristic precisely because it diminishes the possibility of this happening.
>>41705351I think assuming a commonality between all humans ever is veering into delusional mysticism territory. Even saying that all currently alive humans share some responsibility or obligation to each other is not something I have any reason to accept, unless you force me with the ol' hegelian battle to the death but otherwise no way.
>>41705372I haven't read hegel at length and I don't consider reading him to be necessary for the argument I'm making. I don't believe that there are common properties of all humans either unless you are engaging in some kind of postmodern wordplay where the definition of the word common changes rhetorically. I simply mean that you can abandon society socialist, capitalist or whatever else, but if that society does not respect the woods or mountain you decide to move into you will eventually be raped like Ted K in his shack was. while he was obviously an eco fascist his actions were driven by necessity, if they hadn't started cutting his woods then he might not have started to construct bombs and mail them to airports.
>>41698830it’s really not that difficult microscopes are actually pretty simple. the objective lens collects the light, and the image is projected through a dichroic (beamsplitter) mirror toward a tube lens before reaching a camera positioned at the intermediate image plane. an LED (or a laser) mounted to the side of the beamsplitter passes through an excitation filter first, then shines through the dichroic mirror into the sample and excites the fluorophores responsible for fluorescence. in this case, the led should transmit 440-450 (blue) light. the emitted fluorescent light from the sample travels back through the objective, reflects off the dichroic, then passes through an emission filter before reaching the tube lens and the camera.
most definitely the second group. for the most part i have met lovely revolutionaries and really disrespectful assimilation-ists. fags and freaks and the 'fuck optics' crowd are right, living proud is the only way. America has a lovely transgender future
