>>41706294
Do afabs really

>>41706294
I don't think that's what they're trying to say

>>41706294
Maybe because T is a controlled substance, moron

>>41706294
Men are expected to be self sufficient.

>>41706311
What else could they feasibly be trying to communicate that doesn't boil down to "trans men lack the solidarity trans women have, and it's their fault"

Wait Holy shit that's trutrans af because that's how men are for real

>>41706294
>trannies that despise testosterone and think its a body-mutilating poison don't know anything about and don't care about masculinizing HRT
what a surprise?
anyway testosterone should be illegal for all human beings

>>41706294
>>41706318
Aren't there already very extensive guides for this but they're just written for gym bros? Lmao

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>>41706294
>why aren't women doing my work for me
pass as your average worthless lazy male

unless trans women are secretly using guides from trans men to figure out how to diy, i don’t see how this makes any sense lol. shockingly, trans women know far more about their own transition than the opposite way

>>41706311
No but it happens often enough I felt like pretending they did

>>41706311
nooo you dont get it. our xisters are dogpiling this dood on X, the everything app. so we must do the same

>>41706355
This lol it comes off like MRAs complaining why they don't hsbe resources when feminists made resources to help women and they act like justice would be feminists doing that

>>41706294
please keep twitter retardation on twitter

>>41706294
i feel like there's a "wheel of trans drama" where 7-10 topics get recycled forever and this one pops up every few months. I hate to both-sides it but trans men kind of need to get with the program of "yours is a controlled substance so nobody including your fellow trans men can give you perfectly hyper-specific advice about it and you need to do some personal digging" and trans women should probably acknowledge that their assignment in regards to DIY is infinitely easier and have a little more grace for trans men that are in a worse position. The trans women on Twitter in particular can be real dipshits about it tho. Some sites do promote themselves as the "ultimate resource" or whatever and they open themselves to criticism if they pretend trans women are the only thing that exist

why do people complain instead of being the change they want to see

>>41706294
I think they're just venting about how little info for trans guys there is when you look up "diy hrt" in general. Sure they complained about certain people not doing their research on masculinizing hrt but I think that's more to emphasize why the term being monopolized is bad.
>>41706318
>>41706340
>>41706939
This is fair though. But, idk, maybe this person did later or will make a guide directly targeting FtMs and we just don't know.

>>41706294
>why didn't the women after finishing doing all this stuff for themselves do it all for me too this is so unfair
wow they really are men lmfao

>>41707344
> all this stuff
but really DIY for trans women is toddler shit in terms of accessibility and administering it right, don't act like you ppl moved heaven and earth to basically just tell people they can just buy it all with no legal repercussions on what is more or less just trans amazon lmao. It's not that the FtMs expect or need you to do everything (or anything), but that a lot of these sources are advertised as definitive/ultimate/universal/etc. for trans people when it's just trans women stuff and "idk teehee" for anything else. Just slap "for trans women" up at the top. Quit trying to make shit "for everyone" if the other half's gonna be an afterthought. Ironically we're saying do shit for yourself because there's no need to half ass it for groups you don't give af about.

>>41707450
/thread

>>41706325
Maybe they try to say that diy hrt resources has very shitty sources for trans men despite being for "everyone"
I got better sources and guides from some random poon chaser when I was a kid, thanks nikolai

>>41706294
>be transmasc
>female typical learned helplessness
>want to escape
>"who will help me?"
>silence
>*juices T*
>"waaah i have no community"
do transmascs really just accumulate the most pathetic parts of each gender? is this some like, backhanded EMF shit?

>>41707978
you're apparently pretty helpless yourself, the posts just above you explain what the issue is.

>>41707978
a good number of transmascs freak out and detrans once they realize that being a man means no "sisterhood" coddling your feelings 24/7

>>41706739
I think the point is shining light on how feminism claims to be about gender equality when it's really just thinly veiled misandry and female supremacy

>>41708035
Like the other anon >>41707978 it seems you have "female typical learned helplessness" and cannot read the perfectly reasonable explanations given. If you're an MtF I'd be amazed because wtf do you even want to be a woman for anyway, this is the most dudebro male-guy irreversibly-a-man-at-his-most-pathetic shit I've ever read.

>>41707770
then make your own diy sources?

>>41708197
There already are and you can find them under 10 minutes under the right communities. He's just retarded

>>41706294
>just take T lol, there's absolutely no other masculinizing hormone
>what's 2+2? and don't say 4, give me a REAL answer
ofc they could just take androgenic anabolic steroids but nooo, whenever that gets thrown out there all these lil poon bois suddenly get squeamish.

this thread proves trans women can't read

>>41708293
dont generalize us bro!

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>>41707450
>toddler shit
>AAs, E, Prog, managing all those levels and not ending up totally asexual
>trans guys
>T and monitor

But guides exist, and sure transfem HRT is easier to acquire, but most trans guys I've helped get on T have issues with it being illegal, needles and just not letting me fucking stab them a few times to show them it's not that scary.

Like bruh, I keep a source list, DIY guides and have ordered multiple years of T for people. It's always some excuse for being scared to take the jump. Nobody can legitimize your transition, or hold your hand through the whole thing. If you want to DIY you are taken off market hormones, a doctor might get pissy and you're going to look like your dad.

Unironically the best trans guy I helped was some punk mf that didn't give a shit. He was already a fucking weirdo to society, played pickup hockey and just sent it. He didn't need anyone to legitimize his shit, just took some needles in my bathroom and we went to process/celebrate shit at a show lol

Seriously, the working theory is being socialized a male makes you not give a shit and just fucking send it. The reality doesn't kick in until 6months later

>>41706294
probably because DIY guides for medically induced masculinization in men already exist. FTM transition (not including surgery boils down to):
1. take reasonable (maybe a little higher) dose of testosterone. long detailed guides exist for getting this illegally, dosing is the only trans-specific part.
2. work out 3 times a week, lifting heavy.
3 (optional). take PEDs for a few cycles while going to gym. long detailed guides exist for this

IMO boils down to the fact that medical literature for making men more masculine successfully is readily available and the concepts are the same for cis and trans men (bring T to correct level, work out, PEDs optional). For trans women there isn't a cis version outside of menopausal women and even then our goals are different. There also isn't a general non-trans marketplace for estradiol injections, so trans-specific resources to trans-specific markets are required.

Show me the female equivalent of https://roidbazaar.to/ and i'll buy that this is a real issue

>>41708252
Nah dood, they were talking about how retarded hons like the ones seen here
>>41706333
>>41708416
>>41708469
force their perspectives on testosterone being some kind of irreversible poison that makes you pass 100% as a man after the slightest exposure to the point other anabolics aren’t even mentioned as an afterthought. If anyone’s getting squeamish it’s either the theyfabs or the ogretrannys, certainly not the pooners

>>41708035
Trans men will always have sisterhood with females just like trans women have sisterhood with flamers and dragqueens so thats not a reason to detrans.

>>41708024
its not my issue. i dont mind helping people but the fact that transmascs arent helping each other like transfems are...

>>41708035
i think thats uncharitable, i just think its transmascs not getting together to build shit collectively.

>>41708129
its really not reasonable though. its asserting that you should be able to expect a guide made for you and handed to you just like transfems get, when the transfem guide was made by transfems for transfems and is a result of a decade and a half of community building in the DIY space, and at no point have transmascs done anything like this. youre not lacking on info, roiders have been at this for decades, so why are you all so terrible at this?

>>41708129
Stop pretending like you don't know what oop is talking about. Diy hrt info marketed for "everyone" is only for trans fems. You have to look for other places if you seek to find out what options you have as an trans masc.

>>41708747
>Diy hrt info marketed for "everyone" is only for trans fems.
can you give an example of this?

>>41708732
>i think thats uncharitable, i just think its transmascs not getting together to build shit collectively.
It's transmascs not realizing that men have a different social experience to women. They wanted to be cute gay anime boys. They didn't actually want to be men.

>>41708731
Men do not get sisterhood. They must choose between being a man and having access to the sisterhood.

>>41708469
i just wanna say, if youre buying from roidbazaar atm youre getting ripped off. TU is like $15 a vial from good sources.

>>41708687
i will absolutely concede that the "take HRT and pray" types are very much a thing in MtF circles too and its incredibly annoying because they actively fight pushing the boundaries of what we can do in transition.

>>41708731
>just like trans women have sisterhood with flamers and dragqueens so thats not a reason to detrans.
ehhh, the jeepier sorts tend to stay pretty homophobic desu.

>>41708755
>It's transmascs not realizing that men have a different social experience to women. They wanted to be cute gay anime boys. They didn't actually want to be men.
lets not go there, thats stupid and unhelpful

>>41708732
>the transfem guide was made by transfems for transfems and is a result of a decade and a half of community building in the DIY space, and at no point have transmascs done anything like this. youre not lacking on info, roiders have been at this for decades
this
it's not even like the information doesn't exist for ftms. Roiders have been doing this science for longer than trans women, and have had easy access to testosterone injections online for longer than trans women have. It's like the sole complaint is that the small number of websites that sell estrogen or forums that discuss mtf hrt don't also cater to trans men because they can't just use the myriad of options cis men have been using for decades for some reason.

>>41708732
>go to the uwu inclusive trans resource folder
>ask if it’s for all trannies or just mtfs
>/tttt/ poster laughs
>it’s a good folder sir
>look inside
>it’s all for mtfs

It’s not that pooners can’t or won’t put in the leg work, it’s that they’re wasting time on shit that isn’t what it says on the box

>>41708755
>Men do not get sisterhood
Female men get sisterhood, they don't need to choose. Just like female men can choose a type of testosterone that does not make them ugly and bald (poonies, there are options if you wish to always stay as pretty twink). Cis men have these options too if they castrate themselves and take t from a bottle. Customize your character.

>>41708776
post link then?

>>41708775
>It's like the sole complaint is that the small number of websites that sell estrogen or forums that discuss mtf hrt don't also cater to trans men
Lol no, its that trans diy pages are actually only for mtf diy. Just change the name to trans fem diy hrt and its clear for everyone

>>41708797
womp womp man up and email the site administrator if you know better than whats posted otherwise get over the naming and read roider guides. literally like 2 seconds wasted.

>>41708782
You’re better off looking around gear head forums, any mention of androgenic DIY as a trans thing as opposed to a roids thing is gonna get washed out by mtfs who think it’s transmisogyny when anyone has an experience that isn’t the same as their own

>>41708775
i dont want to say that transmasc specific info does not exist, but the roiders are fucking good at what they do, understand their shit, and were actively borrowing as much info from them as we can on the transfem side as is. why FtMs have no collective efforts like this i do not know.

>>41708776
youre again complaining that transfems havent done the leg work for you. im sorry that theres no infographic made just for you on the basics of levels, sourcing, dosing, etc, but again and i cannot stress this enough: only you can do whats in your best interests. only you have the time, effort, and desire required to make what you want in life a thing. we have our own stuff to contend with most of the time.

>>41708817
Nigga acting like you personally compiled the links on every DIY page in existence

>>41708797
>trans diy pages are actually only for mtf diy
ok but there's a million webpages and forums and sketchy online stores solely for male hrt that don't cater to female hormones. This is like a 5 second inconvenience for you

>>41708826
i run a small experimental DIY and homebrew discord and im in a few others. im not a significant site administrator but i do what i can to share what i can because i think its important. but thats not anything to do with anything, because the problem is youre not willing to do anything yourself.

>>41708811
Womp womp, I can complain about whatever I want. Stop pretending like your stupid guides are inclusive. People get better info from that chaser called ogre than whatever is out there

>>41708832
>you’re the retard for going on websites targeted towards trans people at large and expecting there to be anything at all about trans men on there

>>41708856
>websites targeted towards trans people at large and expecting there to be anything at all about trans men
can you give an example of one of these websites?
again I get that this is mildly frustrating, but seriously 5 second inconvenience

FTMs have been complaining since forever that online trans spaces are only about MTFs. Git gud with computers and create your own spaces, then.

>>41708856
have you considered making your own website?

>>41708835
Waowww you’re so activismpilled should we all throw a party? We can invite Lena

>>41708868
Female men shouldn't have to do boring computer things!!!

>>41708863
Why don’t (You) look for any mention of androgenic HRT that isn’t just testosterone and pray? It’ll take five seconds :)

>>41708866
i dont think its a talent issue, or a knowledge issue. ive met plenty of talented FtMs and plenty of FtMs who know about basically everything i know about. its a community issue. nobodys taking the time out of their day to do things to help their fellow FtMs at large.

>>41708875
wow youre so sarcasm pilled congrats on nailing the straight boy bitchiness, king. youre totally passing rn youre like those straight boys who complain about male loneliness and then do absolutely nothing about it.

>>41708886
because (You) are the one who insists that there are a bunch of websites claiming inclusive hrt information and not providing info on ftm hrt
I personally do not have any websites like that bookmarked, so perhaps (You) should give an example of one of these websites, if this is a real thing.

>>41708888
>youre totally passing rn
I’m not even a pooner but I can understand that recognizing other people have interiority is hard for you

>>41708888
>nobodys taking the time out of their day to do things to help their fellow FtMs at large.
That isn't MTFs' fault.

wow this thread is blackpilling me. All I'll say is that everyone involved in this, MtFs and FtMs, are letting their man-flag fly in the most toxic possible way, god damn lol

>>41708915
i genuinely do not care. were having a pointless slap fight because a pooner wants to complain rather than engage in pro-social activities. thats it. theres no more depth to this conversation than that besides a wish that there existed some preformed infographic that this FtM could have encountered early in transition, or some other guide or market place or whatever. but no FtM has done this, and this FtM wont do it either.

>>41708920
i know, but given phrasing you might be forgiven for thinking it is. it is resentment, after all.

>>41708931
go away, jeep.

>>41708931
>people saying "I'm not gonna do unpaid work for you" is "letting their man-flag fly"

>>41708934
>this FtM wont do it
I think you’re overestimating the capabilities of the average xitter user. Just because he’s too retarded to make one himself doesn’t mean he’s wrong

i mean i know to some extent lesbians and gay men have/had a shaky solidarity in a "same but opposite" kind of way but at the end of the day they had basic common cause and helped each other out where they could (with plenty of infighting obv, but still). But trans women and trans men fucking haaaaaate each other. Like wouldn't even piss on them if they were on fire hate.

>>41708986
its mostly limited to this board and other spaces also related to here

>>41708986
I don't have the experience irl

>>41709019
that's interesting. The few times I've seen trans men and women meet in friend groups and stuff it's not that they dislike each other but there is a weird tension. Like they resent each other for going in totally opposite directions, but that's speculation. Some kind of uneasiness. Maybe it's just awkward that everyone expects them to be super close or best friends or something, like if you met the only other person of [same race/religion/etc.] and people assume you're going to be best friends or something

>>41706294
>why do transmen
>because theyre women
evergreen
you posted this as if you didnt already know this

>>41708986
Presumably because most advice you can give gay people is largely gender irrelevant, but besides giving your pooner friend your old moid clothes most attempts at synergy between two trannies in opposite directions usually ends up triggering some kind of resentment or dysphoria or something because we’re all emotionally stunted and can’t get out of our own heads for two seconds

>>41709054
I sometimes feel envy toward physically masculine FtMs. They have what my body refused to give me.

t. hypogonadal mtf

>>41709044
This what trans women do all the time. They would loose it if trans men would start calling them men at the same rate. Nothing pisses me more than trans men glazing trans women, its like like pick me cis girls with cis men, same dynamic.

>>41709062
Are the physically masculine FTMs in the room with us rn

>>41709084
They're at the gym, getting gains that should have been mine by birthright.

>>41709074
>They would loose it if trans men would start calling them men at the same rate
the terminally afabvictimbrained poons like in op's picrel already literally do this, but in wokespeak
i absolutely think there are plenty of transmen who are really truly men, and im not talking about passing, i mean there are just some seriously terminally female socialized doods out there who i dont think i can see as men in the same way there are some seriously terminally male socialized troons i will never truly see as women

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>>41709117
This is sooo funny

>>41709106
It’s funny cuz the xitter/tumblr troons see the same behavior and start calling the pooners moidbrained MRA transmisogynists. None of these words mean anything besides you think someone was a meanie and you’re telling the teacher to make them apologize

>>41708985
hes not wrong, im not saying these guides shouldnt exist or that they do exist, im just saying its on him.

>>41708986
its a pure product of 4chan. it being anonymous here we come here and spill all the weird bits of gendered experience we dont like and only having so much of either experience we tend to run into conflict, even discounting the previously straight people who come here. theres a ton of MtF conflict alone thats generated from the act of leaving behind male typical behaviours, and we squabble among ourselves over which male behaviours are actually good and worth keeping and which are bad and have to go.

>>41709019 tho

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>>41707978
>>41708035
thank you two for giving me a reminder of how much i love the way my laughter sounds after vfs

>>41709074
i glaze trans men in transfem spaces desu because i genuinely think theyre cool and what theyre doing is incredibly socially important beyond even their personal good. its just when we start getting into the weeds of issues im really not willing to let certain things go, and for some FtMs theres real issues around agency and i dont know if i can help with that at all.

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>>41709151
You think it’s on the incompetent Twitter retard who needs someone to make a list for him to make the list himself?

>>41709157
ew

>>41709179
yeah desu
am i being too mean here for thinking he needs to be actually competent at transitioning?

>>41708070
lol

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>>41709189
>she thinks more than 2% of transitioners of any kind are competent

>>41709214
urgh
im too married to play malemother to a bunch of internet FtMs
cant one of their own at least do it?

>>41709226
no, they need a man to do it for them

>>41709235
But I thought ftms were men

>>41709235
tops dont make tranny infographics tho

>>41709262
major problem, big L for whiny fembrained doods

>>41709266
ik its kinda horrible but i genuinely find it funny when transmasc gayden bottoms complain about not being treat like men because they always have exactly this attitude and its like
wow you really had no idea what you signed up for, did you?

>>41709226
Everyone thank this hon right now for undertaking the grueling unpaid intellectual labor of making 4chan posts

>>41709281
no need, dude
its been a pretty chill morning and a nice break from running around after the hubby

>>41709294
nta it sounds like youre married to a manchild

>>41709311
no hes just ill and works much longer hours than i do.

>>41709311
This makes her so trvetrans tradwife hsts fembrained but only because he’s cis, if her husband was a pooner he would be the foidbrained one

>>41709361
this is getting kinda incely desu

>>41706294
Shocker that people care more about girls than men, even when it comes to transitioning lol

>>41706294
>>41706318
These guides would quickly spread to wannabe athletes looking to cheat and roid easily lol

>>41709423
genuinely retarded post

>>41709393
>people care more about girls than men
you mean trans women care more about trans women then about trans men
which is true
it's not cis people making guides and selling diy

Is there more info needed than what isn't already on diyhrt.info...?

>>41706294
all of this is just intellectualizing their fear of DIY. instead of growing a spine and admitting that they are scared, they just create reasons so that they're right. so the situation goes from "i dont do it because im scared and cant research" to "im correct in not doing it because of these reasons!". its smoke and mirrors, all the way down