>Providence Health & Services reviewing, but not enacting, ban on GAC from U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops https://www.oregonlive.com/health/2025/11/us-bishops-ban-gender-affirming-care-at-catholic-hospitals-what-does-that-mean-for-oregons-largest-health-system.html
>>41708190Good. Providers should be free to choose what services they offer.
>>41708205>Good. Providers should be free to choose what services they offer.Are americans really so mentally fucked to genuinely believe this?Like ignoring the trans non-issue, do they genuinely think that their "free market healthcare" is good and works?
>>41708205Only if they offload it to other hospitals that will, like a Methodist hospital like pic related. The same thing with all services, if you don't perform it, you get someone who does.
>>41708223They should legally be required to transfer of care to a provider that does like pic related case >>41708227
>>41708223gender affirming care is homophobic and should be banned everywhere
>>41708223The American system is fantastic because it encourages Americans to work hard. Good healthcare for productive workers, bad healthcare for idle wasters.Look at how Europe has stagnated economically relative to America.Sure, I pay more for my healthcare than Europeans do. My salary is also greater, and by a much larger amount, than what the salary for the same role performed in Europe would. My taxes are lower, too.
>>41708246>gender affirming care is homophobic and should be banned everywhereHow so?
>>41708246kys gincel
>>41708249Do you agree >>41708227>>41708242
>>41708279All primary treatment for gender dysphoria is elective. A referral to a religious hospital that doesn't offer it should never be made in the first place.
>>41708292>A referral to a religious hospital that doesn't offer it should never be made in the first place.But they did do it in that case.>later referred him to a Methodist facility in the same chain that performed his surgery.I think that should be mandatory.
>>41708205or maybe we should just abolish business ownership “rights”
>>41708249>salary higher goodBut you bankrupt yourself to buy a house,get an ambulance,get treatment, have laughably little time offMan, americans are a hoot at times>>41708246It isn't bubbah>>41708242>yeah see we just gonna force another hospital that's further away to take over the providingLol, imagine doing this with any other medical treatment
Seventh-day Adventist AdventHealth and Adventist Health hospitals offer it (for adults, no minors)Baylor Scott & White Health (Christian, Texas) offers itThere are plenty of non-Catholic options in us for GAC at religious hospitals
Why would anyone want their surgery to be performed by a surgeon or in a hospital with a religious objection to trans people?
>>41708430So my peenus and all the liddol chesticles can go to heaven ^-^
>>41708430> religious objection to trans people?religious objection to trans surgeries * not trans people.
>>41708438It just seems like gay couples trying to force conservative Christian institutions to marry them. Pointless antagonism that risks a backlash against their rights.
>>41708448> It just seems like gay couples trying to force conservative Christian institutions to marry them.most of them are naturally doing that anyway over time anyway.
>>41708448>wdym I have to follow scientific standards rather than my skydaddy in medicineIf you can't separate faith from science you shouldn't be in the field of medicine
catholic hospitals are sometimes the only hospitals in rural communities. what is your solution?
>>41708462If you want medicine and not quackery then you shouldn't go to a religious hospital.
>>41708462you can go to another hospital> Seventh-day Adventist AdventHealth and Adventist Health hospitals offer it (for adults, no minors)>Baylor Scott & White Health (Christian, Texas) offers it
>>41708475need to be careful with that. for a while i thought St. Jude Hospital was religious, but turns out it wasn’t. sometimes these places brand that, but no so.
>>41708473Travel?No hospitals near me offered the SRS technique I wanted, so I traveled out of state to get it.
>>41708475Idk our religious hospitals actually do some groundbreaking shit in neurology hereBut they don't go "muh religion" like american special ed hospitals do>>41708481Let's apply your retarded logic to any other medical issue>oh dw about your stroke, just drive another 5 hrs and you'll be fine
>>41708491what if no car? i think the catholic hospital should help with out patenting them to the hospital and back.
>>41708442that's the same thing
>>41708500you aren’t going to die in 5 hour car ride for a surgery. the San Jose catholic to methodist hospital transfer for that trans person only took 30 minutes. this is a strawman.
>>41708502If you don't have a car and you live outside a city in America then you have bigger problems.
>>41708223yes. say you get stabbed in the kidney. if ambulance takes you to a hospital that doesnt treat kidney stabbings, they only treat the liver and intestinal stabbings, you die. then the ambulance gets sued by your family for taking you to the wrong hospital. it will discourage ambulances from taking you to the wrong hospital.
>>41708510that’s a rotten disgusting lie.
>>41708502Lyft/Uber to and from the airport on each end.Hell, I did that to fly out to an FFS consult and arrive back home less than 24 hours later because I didn't want to have to drive to the airport and deal with airport parking.
>>41708249The average americuck vill work 100 hours a week at an useless job for a loaf of bread and a 2m square apartment
once again, radical trans activists conflate not approving with gender reassignment surgeries with bigotry. the same statement said:> The Catholic Health Association thanked the bishops for incorporating much of the organization’s feedback into the directives. It said in a statement, “Catholic providers will continue to welcome those who seek medical care from us and identify as transgender. We will continue to treat these individuals with dignity and respect, which is consistent with Catholic social teaching and our moral obligation to serve everyone, particularly those who are marginalized.”
>>41708564if you don't approve of medical transition then you are anti-transsame way if you don't approve of gay marriage you're anti-gaystop trying to mask your bigotry in politeness
>>41708564if you are held in the hospital without your hrt you undergo symptoms that stress your body increasing harm. if they ban gender affirming care then they would be banning continuity of care where it poses a risk and doing harm to patients.
>>41708578nothing is being denied. same-sex marriage isn’t allowed either in catholic church. you can go to the state or another religious institution that will perform it. abortion isn’t allowed either. so you can’t say trans people are targeted. it’s not bigotry. if a trans person wants surgery, they can go to another nom-catholic hospital
>>41708602Exactly. Trans people can still get the same medical treatments as cis people at the hospital.
>>41708611if true then can get the vaginal canal put in like cis women with vaginal agenesis, and balls removed like men with testicular cancer, just not penis to clit surgery part.
>>41708515>this is a strawman>30 minutes are nothingRetard alert>>41708521>liver but not liver stabbings>literally same medical fieldUhm?>ambulance rideBack to my original stance about mutt healthcare being absurdly priced plus it doesn't solve the issue that travel distance is a factor for groundbound IFT and PTs
>>41708602>same-sex marriage isn’t allowed either in catholic churchright, that's bigotryreligious bias against lgbt people is bigotry
>>41708590you request out patent care to be transferred to another hospital for HRT
>>41708631theyre allowed to not cover things within the same field. just think how all the trans men cant get masectomies but cis men can get them for the same reason without any psych letter. its already like this normally. i think we should extend it to cis people so more of them die too until they stop that.
>>41708645>its unsafe to move the patient>sorry we have to transfer it because its a tranny wanting hrt
>>41708652>it's already like this normally In america, hence why I asked if y'all really are this retarded Thank you for answering my question
>>41708661its like this in the entire anglo world.
>>41708667Man, they rly just let the goverment kill people "cuz muh religion says it's icky"?Truly anglos are the -stanis of the western world
>>41708634> religious bias against lgbt people is bigotryi grew up Lutheran. know how many times lgbt people was brought up in sermons at church (I went every sunday)? Zero. you are an idiot.
>>41708502HRT is the only time sensitive one and that can be done over telehealth, if you want SRS/FFS you can wait a bit to get a job and car if that is your situation.Still, fuck the catholics though, ig its their right but this is pointlessly antagonistic and contrary to the secular medical community.
>>41708676name ONE time this has happened at a religious hospital to a trans person
>>41708692so your church wasn't particularly bigoted?that seems to have little to do with religious organizations that are bigotedbut not allowing same sex marriage is bigoted either way.
>>41708693They pull this shit with abortion too, in every case I think it is their right to choose the services they offer but it does bring up the problem of "well at what point is it not ok for jesus freaks to control doctors?". Where is the line between this ideological decision, and switching all the hospitals to some faith healing nature bullshit.
>>41708693i agree they should. non-catholic hospitals ok with it, but catholics hospitals are just fucked.
>>41708693as long as religious hospitals are forbidden from receiving any taxpayer funding. in some countries they get to be the one available local hospital so youre forced to go to it then play all the muh rights garbage to kill you. ireland with abortion sorta shit.
>>41708701Around 41% of the times trans healthcare was denied it resulted in attempted suicide The statistics and science is thereWe know the reasons why trans people kill themselves, we know what genuinely helps, a refusal to perfom scientifically backed healthcare is a willingness to kill the people in question
>>41708714catholic hospitals should have a non-catholic section. solution found
providence healthcare is terrible
>>41708223I paid around $6k out of pocket for my jejunal vaginoplasty in the US. That's less than the amount by which my income taxes would increase if I moved to Europe.
>>41708720than there should be a law making that illegal. yet i don’t see congress doing that.
>>41708718> as long as religious hospitals are forbidden from receiving any taxpayer funding.got some news 4 a…
>>41708718My mom was taken to a religious hospital when we called 911, they provide very standard medical services they are just funded as a charity thing by the church. I think its a great idea I just don't know how I feel about the bishops having a say in what "care" is since that isn't their area of expertise.
>>41708737yes, religious hospitals in places like Australia and Ireland get lots of tax funding to run.
>>41708720transfer of care
>>41708742you have a transgender mother that they were really good with and had no issues about that there?
if a catholic hospital doesn’t ban GAC, they lose their status as a Catholic hospital.
>>41708749No its a biological mother, I was just illustrating that they work essentially as completely normal hospitals and the religious element does not normally impact the care given (because that would be dangerous and stupid).
transfer of care, transfer of care, transfer of care
>>41708756If they had a scientific or practical reason for not providing GAC I think it would be perfectly justifiable, but in this case it is a Jesus related decision driving operations which I think is not how a hospital should be operated.
>>41708756the issue is that the religious element does interfere in emergency situations of a certain nature. getting patients killed. just not your moms specific case.
>>41708765Go to a different hospital, then.
>>41708729Because americans are genuinely retarded it seems>>41708725>6k for srsYour own share after insurance or do you mean the entire surgery and hospital stay?
>>41708768>>41708771Legally it is their right to (for now) I guess and I never planned on using them but I think it tarnishes their status as a legitimate medical establishment.
>>41708720> Around 41% of the times trans healthcare was denied it resulted in attempted suicideyou are bullshitting
>>41708780>Your own share after insurance or do you mean the entire surgery and hospital stay?My own share after insurance.
>>41708745>transfer of careAgain, try that with any other medical issue and see how that goes lmao>inb4 "but you legally can"And that's good?
>>41708784other countries solve this by just not having religious hospitals, since that interferes with essential infrastructure. "sorry the owner of your houses water and electricity connections only supplies to black people, no you cant replace them as that goes outside your property"
>>41708792>chat gpt>sourceLmao>>41708793Lmao that's abyssmaly shit
>>41708796Lmao you may have a point there, but that's not how funding works here just yet.
Cite EMTALA if its life saving treatment. if they don’t, they are violating law.
>>41708801>Lmao that's abyssmaly shitI just explained why it's better than it would be if I lived in Europe. My taxes would be much more than $6k higher in Europe... or my salary would be much more than $6k lower in Europe. $6k is easily affordable on what my job pays and what my taxes are in the US.
>>41708801has any religious hospital ever denied life threatening care to a trans person? aka if they didn’t get hrt they die
>>41708829These hospitals were never a particularly good option for tranny stuff anyways, its just an example of bishops meddling in technical problems they shouldn't be meddling in.
>>41708834yes i agree. bishops need to let hospitals do hospital stuff.
>>41708819>6k is easily affordable in america vs europeYeah and meanwhile i got>paid time off for ffs>without using my 5 weeks of paid vacation days>same with srsLike sorry but I rather take the ability to have free srs, ffs and the things listed above than "earn more" to pay more >>41708829Every single time they deny it it's a 60/40 off that they won't try to kill themselves.You asking chatgpt for help doesn't change every single study we have on the suicide rate and motives you absolute retard
>>41708834If they are getting taxpayer funding it might piss me off a little that the money is being used to fund an institution which is prevented from following all evidence based convention, but I mean in reality this is a nothingburger.
>>41708829its hard to say since so many normal psych wards and hospitals steal patients hrt. the suicides are often afterwards due to the abuse since harder to kill yourself in hospital
>>41708843> Every single time they deny it it's a 60/40 off that they won't try to kill themselves.It won’t become they will have their care transferred to another hospital as i explained several times, but you ignore.
>>41708844apparently they get a lot of govt funding https://www.catholicsforchoice.org/resource-library/follow-the-money-the-real-reason-catholic-hospitals-fight-for-exemptions/
>>41708843I took two months sick leave, fully paid. I could have had three, but I only needed two in the end. If I'd needed more then I could have taken unpaid leave and still come out ahead financially compared to being in Europe.
>>41708855yeah see this is what pisses me off, not a single cent of taxpayer money should not be allocated based off of voodoo bullshit
>>41708851why should they be subject to their healthcare being revoked at all while waiting for transfer. they should be getting huge payouts from ambulances for being taken to an antitrans hospital then every single time.
>>41708855if you are taking even a cent of tax dollars you should perform all medical services
>>41708857>i have an abnormally good financial situation for an american trans person, so all the trannies in america that arent me should suffer because i got mine
>>41708889Hard work, effort, and willingness to take risks have their rewards.
>>41708907mathematically there will always be a certain number of shitty jobs, even if everyone got twice as smart tommorow we would have an upper class and a lower class.(Also I bet you had an easy life)
>>41708907>lose job and cant get cancer treatment>diecost to pay for others getting bigger rewards by taking risks
>>41708857>then I could've taken unpaid leave>unpaid leaveLmao how generous>>41708851I pointed out multiple times that you should try the same approach with any other medical issue and see how that goes, retard
>>41708929you aren’t going to die from not getting a surgery that day you retarded cunt. wow waiting a few days more for it. life threatening.
>>41708948>retard unable to address the point>reverts to "ooh but trans care can wait a few days"Retarded mongoloid
>>41708948we shall return to deaths from ectopic pregnancies because taken to the wrong hospital. its the churches right to plant trap hospitals around to get you killed.
>>41708951trannie care is what is being discussed here. and i pointed out several times transfer of care which all hospitals do. but you want it to be as draconian as possible for your ideological propaganda. because you hate catholics.
>>41708964It's not really a problem with what they do specifically, its just that religious ideas should not be influencing operations at a partially taxpayer funded hospital. If they don't want to give FFS because they have no qualifications to that is fine, but jebus is not a valid reason to make any practical decision for these institutions.
>>41708964>we're discussing trans care>ergo you can't point out flaws in my argument by applying the same argument to other things I personally find less "icky"You're genuinely retarded holy shit lmao
>>41708971nobody here is arguing this is s good idea
>>41708976Then what are we arguing? They will not be stopped and we know why they did it and that it runs counter to evidence.
>>41708974i never said i oppose trans care.
>>41708190Should Catholic hospitals offer cis women's used toilet water for Ayden to drink?
>>41708979you shouldn’t call them bigots for not supporting it.
>>41708995We know why they did it though, its a true statement.
>>41709003they literally said it wasn’t about trans bigotry > The Catholic Health Association thanked the bishops for incorporating much of the organization’s feedback into the directives. It said in a statement, “Catholic providers will continue to welcome those who seek medical care from us and identify as transgender. We will continue to treat these individuals with dignity and respect, which is consistent with Catholic social teaching and our moral obligation to serve everyone, particularly those who are marginalized.”
>>41709016They oppose gender transition for religious reasons, so they won't provide it. If they diden't know what it was the doctors would have kept providing it under their noses because that it is what evidence based medicine does. They had no reason for this policy other than an inherent opposition to tranny stuff. Obviously no one thinks catholics are going to burn us at the stake but do you have a superior alternative descriptor for what this is?
>>41709029does being trans require surgery? answer the fucking question
>>41709036I think you asked the wrong question.
>>41708987Good then we should force those retards to follow the science and do trans care
>>41709058great go to the pope and ask him to do that.
>>41709067I'll rather listen to scientific reason over feelings sorry
>>41709067You still have not provided any alternative explanation. Do you have a superior explanation or term for the decision making process of the Bishops who instituted this policy?
>>41709077why do you act so high moral and uptight? you think you are changing hearts and minds? stop acting like everyone who opposes your lifestyle is a bigot.
>>41709096Do you have a superior term for those who oppose it.
>>41709104no, i don’t even know what you mean. they oppose because it sterilizes people, aka can’t gave babies.
>>41709104The definition:One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.If they are partial to this lifestyle, that by definition makes them a bigot. It is simply an accurate of the word, you could even see it as a good thing if you wanted to.
if you advocate surgery is required for being trans, you are a trans medicalist.
>>41709111I strongly do not reccomend becoming emotionally attached to technical or linguistic manners. They will behave in such a manner that has no regard for your opinion of them, all you can hope to do is think of them accurately and practically.
>>41709122and?
>>41709096>noooo don't call them bigots it hurts their feelingsFacts don't care about your feelings nona
>>41709132you clearly don’t care about optics at all. you are implying a billion catholics in usa are bigots. one of my cousins, who is catholic, was complaining to me a few months ago she can’t celebrate pride at department of veteran affairs due to trump
>>41709128you are erasing trans people who don’t elect for surgery.
>>41709158it is required for some people to be trans depending on their condition.
>>41709150This is an anonymous website, I don't have to be care. I was simply stating an accurate fact.If you would like another accurate fact:The dictionary defines "woman" as a female, female is defined as the sex that typically bears ova. None of us are woman except the trans men, dang.Similiarly however, there is a mountain of medical evidence that allowing certain individuals to alter sex characteristics can be beneficial to mental health.Reality is under no obligation to feel nice or be intuitive. When I talk to normies, yes I choose my words carefully, but I know it is not the truth.
>>41709167Now, accurately "trans woman" is a separate noun, which you could argue it is practical to make legally equivalent to women. I think this is an honest argument to make and one I agree with.
>>41709167> alter sex characteristics can be beneficial to mental health.so go to a non-catholic hospital to do that
>>41709171you are legally a women with LGC (legal gender change)
>>41709173Yeah I was gonna do that before, I just don't like it whenever bishops push their shit on actual doctors ya big dummy. Frankly I didn't even know they offered gender stuff since the regular gender clinics do it so well, I just don't like to see religion entering medicine in any form.
>>41709150>you clearly don’t care about optics at all.Yes because I care about the lifes lost and the scientific method showing how these lifes could've been saved.>you are implying a billion catholics in usa are bigots.Yes.>one of my cousins, who is catholic, was complaining to me a few months ago she can’t celebrate pride at department of veteran affairs due to trumpShe should just "transfer pride events" huh?
>>41709190As for your arguments, I can see where you are coming from. We must repect everyone's beliefs, and it is wise to choose our words accurately, even if some of the harsher ones are definitionally accurate.
>>41709202I don't really fully agree though, the decision made should be exposed for what it is because frankly, trannies have truth on our side and on average that is what tends to prevail given enough time.
>>41708190Seize all church run hospitals and orphanages Start taxing church propertyMon- Friday public school if you want church school do it on your own time snd dimeCut all funds to voucher states until they fix it so public funds no longer go to religious schoolsFuck xtians the least christ like people you will ever meet, you are as bad as plague as islamists
>>41709192> Yes because I care about the lifes lost and the scientific method showing how these lifes could've been saved.cite me a case of this happening at a catholic hospital.
>>41709192even transgender catholics are bigots towards transgender people?
>>41709284Every single study on trans suicidality >>41709322>wdym people can hold conflicting views Religion wouldn't exist without retards able to hold conflicting views
>>41708223Ayden are you not estadounidense? i literally just assumed all this time lol
>>41709473lmao sadly no
