Key takeaways>Survey sample was 957 people from the ages of 16 to 75 (average participant age was mid-20s). 79% of participants were AFAB.The paper identified four types of detransitioner:>Detransitioning with regret (Class A) - Largely internally-motivated detransition due to treatment dissatisfaction, mental health factors, and gender identity/expression changes. Composition was 89.9% AFAB and 9.8% AMAB.>Identity evolutions (Class B) - Predominantly identity-evolution detransition, often with treatment satisfaction and little/no regret; External barriers (cost, support, discrimination) were not prominent. Composition was 87.1% AFAB and 11.8% AMAB.>Transition ambivalence (Class C) - Complicated/ambivalent detransition driven by both external factors (discrimination, romantic rejection, lack of support) and internal factors (neurodivergence/mental health and identity shifts). Composition was 75.8% AFAB and 24.2% AMAB.>Interrupted gender transitions (Class D) - Interrupted gender transitions with pauses attributed to external factors (discrimination, limited access, lack of support), not internal factors or identity shifts. Composition was 62% AFAB and 38% AMAB.Overall:>AFABs detransitioned due to internal factors while AMABs detransitioned due to external factors.>AFABs detransition at a higher rate than AMABs; however, the survey needs a larger sample size to determine if this is true.>Binary trans men are most likely the rarest transgender group, as most AFABs end up detransitioning into nonbinarism or cisgenderism.You can read a deep dive on the study here:https://www.psychiatrymargins.com/p/understanding-detransitions-in-transgender?hide_intro_popup=true
Transsexuality is an exclusively AMAB phenomenon.
No surprise. Women mature faster, thus thjey recognize the immature error earlier.
>>41726339>>41726347pick your poison
>>41726424amabs are retarded
>>41726324And where is the part that talks about whether or not they were taking testosterone? Not bad faith at all
>>41726639I found it, two thirds were medically treated either with hormones or surgery. That's pretty bad
>>41726324>https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10508-025-03264-6>Upon completion of all screening protocols, approximately 30% of completed surveys did not meet study eligibility criteria (e.g., reporting never having socially or medically transitioned; IP outside of US/Canada) and/or were identified as nonsense/fraudulent. ahaha...>Furthermore, the survey was not available via paper copy which may have introduced a selection bias toward younger people, and those who have social media accounts such as Reddit, Twitter/X, TikTok, Tumblr, Facebook, and Instagramsome of these graphs are p interesting tho
>>41726689Does the first point mean that the data is extremely skewed?
>>41726677I think its pretty significant. This is showing AFABs need to grt gatekept way harder than AMABs. Also why were the study participants so skewed? There are tons of MTFs out there. They could have had equal representation.
>>41726324so is detrooning actually the über-fembrained thing to do?
>>41726339its less this and more that trenders are almost exclusively afab
>>41726733>Also why were the study participants so skewed? There are tons of MTFs out there. They could have had equal representation.there is literally 10x as many ftm troons than mtf. thats why, and thats also why most detransitioners are afab. women who misattribute their sexusl trauma for being transgender far outnumber actual transgender people
>>41726689God damn the puberty blockers chart. It's almost like women anxious about becoming women are trying to find ways out of it rather than actually having dysphoria. What's really happening is:>stop me from growing tits, im scared of becoming matureVs.>stop me from growing tits, i should have a male chest
>>41726773There are not 10x that’s actually crazy. Maybe 10x trenders but not 10x
Women are permanent children so they easily fall for propaganda. Some are so retarded they genuinely think they are trannies. A woman will say something like>I played with fire trucks as a kidand some other retarded woman will convince her that she is trans. 5 years later? Detransition. Low agency retards, they genuinely need to be wrapped in metaphorical bubble wrap (no internet access, not taught to read unless they're autistic, no voting rights etc.)All for their own good of course
>>41726689>Class D recalled very low social and medical transition regret scores, satisfaction with medical treatments, and a longer timeline from the age of realization to starting transitioning in comparison to the other three classes. While Class D shares many similarities with other classes, D is inarguably unique in their strong endorsement of externally-driven detransition and low scores on other factors. yeh but>Q5.1. In what year did you start to think of yourself as nonbinary, transgender, or transsexual (even if you didn’t have a word for it)? some of the questions tho lmao
>>41726762I swear to god, I think im finally over absolutely hating afabs then I learn more. there is just no end to the retardation.
>>41726733>get gatekeptThis is exactly why studies need an equal amount of participants. You can't just project your own feelings onto the results.
>>41726324>surveyin other words, LARPers be LARPing
>>41726799I'm sure treating them like literal infants won't make them want to transition to male so they can escape that. It's like watching a snake eat its own tail ffs. Treat them as people, human beings, and maybe they won't hate being female.
>>41726829afabs are reatarded and runing shit for everyone, is that not apparent?
>>41726799>handmaid's tale-tier misogyny except for autistic womenthis is so fucking funny
>>41726798there is a doctor in my country who is mtf herself who was illegally prescribing hrt to trans people without the difficult to get gatekept tranny diagnosis, and she said that she has like 10x more ftm patients than mtf. probably created quite a few trender detransitioners
>>41726689It is paywalled.Nothing on sexual attraction or age of transition?
>>41726778check the questionnaire in supplementary material, it's kinda iffy and not too specific about stuff like motivations or like differences in identificationlike here >>41726815 and age of realization >>41726689 makes it seem like most detrans are young trend hoppers for real
>>41726853The study clearly says that the Class A block detransitioned because they didn't feel content with being "male", not that they suddenly went scorched earth on all trans people. They could identify as nonbinary, or just as cis. Detransitioner =/= hitlerite TERF.
>>41726876oh yeh, sorry about that, I was logged in thought it was public lmaobasically they ask what age did u consider urself trans, then what age did u socially trans (any clothes change, any pornouns change, etc) and what age did u start medical transition, then it's in the graphs as age of realization, social transition, and medicalsex breakdown takeaway seems like 'plurisexuals stay losing' nglwhat about polycules, that's what I wanna know!! lmao
>>41726851they hate being female because they are talking eachother into it. they sit around and have a bitchfest over the most minute greviences, blow them completely out of proportion, then decide they must be trans. the way they are actually treated by society doesn't factor into it. There is nothing objective going on here, its all vibe decision making.
AFABbros...
>>41726856Misogyny isn't real (but it should be) and autistic women are alright people
>>41726324total AFAB death Now. the sooner we get rid of them the better optics will improve for transsexuals in the future. whoever implied in the past that transsexuality was strictly a mtf phenomenon was right, thus i guess younger me who used to think this way before i found out pooners were a thing was right as well. all afabs can ever be are cissexuals with several additional labels, but never transsexual.afabs are truly evil spoiled privileged creatures. theres no way theyll ever experience an ounce of the dysphoria that actually makes transitioning for trans women a matter of life or death. this is proven right time and time again>>41726339trvth nvkei think that currently the only way for trans rights to progress is to accept this fact and go back to when "trans" only implied the existence of MtF. we cant trust afabs anymore with such detransition rates, so unless they do something to prove that they arent here just to ruin everyone elses optics (like the very few trutrans FtMs who are stealth and are never loud about it) i think they should be thoroughly excluded.we truly need to get a huge amount of people to come to terms with the fact that they are fundamentally cis and that its okay that they are. that way, they will no longer threaten optics or the community.>>41726778>stop me from growing tits, im scared of becoming matureha everyday i find more proof that maybe my "dysphoria" isnt real at all and it might just be that im permanently mentally stuck at the age where i developed instead of being mentally an adult woman like i should be. wish there was a way to fix this. if only i had been prescribed bica wayyy before it became too late... sigh.>>41726851>treating them like literal infants won't make them want to transition to malethats the point! maybe its better that way. evidently, most of these people are okay with being women anyway, so as long as it remains like that it should be great.
>>41726324how are they defining detransition? it sounds broad in the pretext but i don't jave a vpn rn 2 check scihubsome ppl don't stop hrt and just socially detransition so
>>41727153>total afab death nowi will organize it but it's only gonna be you going into the chambers, everyone else can continue as usual
>>41727237hey thats not fair, what did i even do now...
>>41727246You're the most fucking annoying poster on this board. Thank god you didn't transition, not that it would do anything because you're so terminally womanbrained along with craving PIV gock mating presses that you bring humiliation on any community you attach yourself to in a desperate attempt for attention. Do everyone a favor and just go somewhere else.
>>41727256LMAOi have nowhere else to go though. i really am here forever and you cant do anything about it
>>41727274>constantly crying in any thread that will take her about how annoying women are>she herself is the annoying woman she hatesyou can't make this shit up
>>41727305well, i am allowed to be a theyfab and hate myself at the same time. it might be a rare sight, but someones gotta do it.
>>41726699data is just self-reports from an online questionnaire, so it's open to manipulation and they did some effort to filter stuff out if it seemed inconsistentbut the data is kinda trashy either way due to this fact
>>41726339It’s the other way around and you know it.>>41726324Retards are not going to notice the sample composition aren’t they
>>41726324Half of the sample isn’t trans. This is worthless.
>>41727667explain how transsexuality is a strictly AFAB phenomenon in a way that doesnt circle back into being disturbed by body development during puberty (normal and happens to everyone) or any form of internalized misogyny.>Retards are not going to notice the sample composition aren’t theydoesnt matter. it said what it said. its Over for theyfabs>>41727687thats the point. it shows that theyfabs are invasive to our spaces and must be disposed of or else well get more optics nukes like these.
>>41726324Fuck springer. Here’s the actual study.https://files.catbox.moe/rpqy4l.pdfThe majority of the sample is under 24 and half of the sample never transitioned.https://files.catbox.moe/rpqy4l.pdfThey are counting people that wore a dress for a few days and changed their mind as detransitioners.This is worthless.
>>41727734>online surveyThey may as well have used a random number generator. But it makes AFABs look bad so this hellhole will never shut up about it
>>41727734>people that wore a dress for a few daysremember that the largest amount of detransitioners were afab according to these studies, not amab. dont blame them for this bullshit. and even if they werent counted, afabs would still be the largest number of detransitioners. it wouldnt change anything at all.>>41727790>it makes AFABs look bad so this hellhole will never shut up about itgood
>>41726733You are so statistically illiterate it makes my head hurt.
>>41727823>the largest amount of detransitioners were afab according to these studiesFactually incorrect. You don’t understand the basics of statistical analysis so just shush.
>>41727731Jarb just because you're a ROGD faketrans theyfab who read too much futa porn doesn't mean that everyone else born female is.
>>41726778Did you pay attention to anything in the OP or the article? Look at the explanation for group D. Then look at the "hormones" graph in the upper right in umaruchan's post. Look at the probability values for those, compare with puberty blockers chart for reference, then tell me what you see.
>>41726851>I'm sure treating them like literal infants won't make them want to transition to male so they can escape that.No, you don't understand just how deep this goes. They're women, tell them every day that their life is great this way and they will whole heatedly agree. You still have to take care of them and provide for their needs but they will be happy like that as long as you reassure them that it is the case.
This study isn't an optics nuke at all though. It's proving that most people who access medical transition are true trans. Look at the actual data and read the whole thing.
>>41727916its the trvth though, you cant deny that. its the trvvvvvvth>>41727918LMAOwell at least im one of the only theyfabs willing to speak against my own kind though! at least i acknowledge that futa porn and degeneracy are the main things creating these feelings within me that other people would choose to label as "dysphoria" without it being actually that. at least i accept the fact that i am faketrans and dont try to justify otherwise like many people do before deciding that they are not and detransitioning. such frauds! unlike me of course.
>>41727734ty based anon>This is worthlessbasicallyalso they don't discern between social detransitions vs. medical ones, I wonder how many in group D are just manmoders for ex.
>>41728025but reading is haaarrrrrddd and making assumptions about the data that fit my pre-existing worldview is easy
>>41728096manmoders are still more valid than theyfabs and even then theyfabs outnumber them lmfao
>>41726324Has anyone sent these results to Blanchard, Bailey, or Cantor yet to see their interpretation?
>>41728025that doesn't stop bad faith actors presenting the data in a misleading way tholike they kinda did with the uh, cass report, and uh, using cis men cohorts to represent mtfs in sports studies, and claiming that the complication rate for SRS is high in that one canadian report that was meant to highlight the need for better post-op care
>>41728166i don't even get what theyfabs need to feel valid over tbhon
>>41728332their super special relationship with gender which lets them speak over people who actually have dysphoria
>>41726882If you "identify" as nonbinary, then you are a woman.
>>41728411trvthnvke (im a woman)
>>41726324>flyers were distributed to sexual and gender minority organizations and gender care providers, and paid advertisements were promoted on social mediaSo the study was limited to the subset of people who visit those sorts of places and/or got targeted by the right algorithms. This is just a study of people who voluntarily go to pronoun circle meetups and don't use adblockers, no shit it was all theyfabs. That selection bias makes it impossible to draw any real conclusions about the broader trans population.There's also the simultaneous obsession with AGAB and complete failure to distinguish between binary and nonbinary participants, as if the original etiology of a theyfab who "detransitioned" after cutting her hair is essentially the same as that of a normal trans person. That just isn't a workable scientific model, you can't just pretend that differing etiology isn't even a possibility and just roll with the assumption that all of the random-ass subjects you've collected are magically part of the same natural grouping.Imagine if the money that went into this study had been used on actually helping trans people. But nah, let's focus on coddling a bunch of retards who can't make decisions for themselves, that's so much more important. Cis "people" should be gassed.
>>41728409MOTHERFUCKER HE'S TALKING ABOUT YOUSHUT UP
>>41726324>NEW DETRANSITION DAT-Yeah I'm gonna stop you right there. I don't believe you. This has been so aggressively politicized I don't believe any of the shit out of your mouth any more. They even have AIs shitting up surveys now: https://phys.org/news/2025-11-fake-survey-ai-quietly-sway.htmlHow am I supposed to trust ANY of this shit anymore? It's just AI generated government propaganda. I have to read old studies.
numbers are boring
>>41726324Reasoning: being a male sucks socially, many of them Detroon after a few years on t because they start getting treated as men
>>41729258what makes you think i wasnt talking about myself as well?
>>41729525oh damn I didn't even think of that. should studies like this recruit people from gender clinics then? trusting random "trannies" from the internet seems like a bad idea but studies like this probably cost a lot less
>>41727790trvke but some people are pushing back
>>41727153the way you psychologically detach yourself from "afabs" proves youre a manalso mtf detrans rate is higher https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9516050/
>>41730020isn't this study kinda retarded if I itremember correctly? like people might have started getting their meds from somewhere else
>>41729793>new study shows mtf detrans rate is higher https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9516050/>that's obviously because being a trans woman (male manly man) is so hard!>new study shows ftm detrans rate is higher (still not entirely clear it actually shows this)>that's obviously because being male sucks socially, they detroon because they cant handle it!that's obviously because being a male sucks socially!god you faggots are so retarded
>>41730020>the way you psychologically detach yourself from "afabs" proves youre a manPFFFFT>also mtf detrans rate is higherthis lie you tell yourself will never be real>>41730075>that's obviously because being a male sucks socially!its actually because they cant handle not being the victim for once. they miss the comfort their perpetually victimized afab status gave them, and are in turn defensive and transmisogynistic about it. good riddance if theyre no longer on hrt after detransitioning, but something needs to be done for these people to stop thinking they still have anything to do with the trans community after that.>that's obviously because being a trans woman (male manly man) is so hard!also this makes no sense, you sound ridiculous. what is hard is being a woman, so of course its gonna be hard being one when people either see or dont see you as one and treat you as less than one.
>>41729932No I don't trust you under any circumstances, no matter what magic words you add to the sentence. Thanks for playing!
>>41728096yes they do, they specifically asked about start of trans identification/realization, start of social transition, and start of medical transitionbut the questions are vague enough to not really be helpful in getting a more specific picture of like if they pass or girlmode/boymode or onset of cross-sex feelings vs knowing they're trans, start of hrt vs start of signing up for medical treatment, diy vs official, and so onu can deduce the breakdown in the graphs, but they won't release the dataoverall group d has a longer trajectory and everyone starts social transition before medical, but like I said social is p loosely defined in the questionnaire and can mean like pronouns >>41726815 here for the mean start time from realizationalso note age of realization here >>41726689 and hormones vs surgeriesthe reason it's not good is cos of the sloppy methodology and lack of specificity in the questions>>41728222>that doesn't stop bad faith actors presenting the data in a misleading way thobasically this, they only zoom called ppl w/ answers that seemed inconsistent to verify
Ok disclaimer, I'm pro-trans, this thread sucks, but idk where else to say this, I'm just drunkenly shouting into the void.I'm a bisexual cis woman and had a 'questioning phase' a good 5+ years ago. I've always felt more comfortable and 'safe' when adopting masculine appearance and mannerisms, and always felt more safe flirting with girls than straight guys. So at one point in my life I questioned whether maybe I was just a dude.That changed when I got into a relationship with a straight man I trusted, and realised that all of those behaviours were out of fear. Fear of what, I hadn't quite connected yet. All I knew is that I felt safe being read as feminine when I was around him.That relationship ended a while back, and in the time since I've confronted the fact that I was sexually abused by a man as a child, and that I was adopting masculinity as a sort of shield, because it didn't feel safe to be female. But without a male in my life, that feeling has come back. My attitude has gotten more broey, my hair more dykey, my walk more aggressive. And now the algorithm's gone and served me an ad for binders and packers featuring an all female-presenting cast, not a boymoder in sight.And I don't live in the house I was abused in anymore. I could order any fucking thing I like and not be found out. I could buy this shit and wear it and feel safer for it. I thought about it for a long time when I still lived there but never worked out a way to do it. But now I could.But that's going down a fucking path. Not a path to any sort of medical intervention, I'm terrified to even get a checkup. But down a path of becoming my own safe space, becoming my own protection, becoming my own boyfriend, the next thing you know I'm living in the middle of nowhere with a fucking soccer ball named Wilson, slowly and voluntarily substituting every facet of humanity I could possibly desire to preserve, so long as it's on my terms. And part of me wants that.
>>41726324>it's another changing your clothes and pronouns = detransitioning thread
>>41731571This is why drag kings need to be more of a thingJust get it out of your system on the weekends like the gays do
>>41731571You know you can bind and not immediately think of yourself as a man
>>41731571Get married, go to church and have babies. These feelings will stop and you won’t be so mixed up. This isn’t a trick, it’s how thousands of years of women have worked. Get off the internet it’s not healthy.
>>41730990No I mean the end of transitioning. The methodology explicitly states they're solely investigating shifts of identity:>Study adverts, the study website, the informed consent form, and the survey explicitly used the word “detransition” and mentioned examining shifts in identity after transition and retransition. [sic]For a study that'll inevitably be used to argue against medical transition, it's not fair. Grifters like Ritchie Herron "detransition" socially but stay on HRT. Anyways yeah it's slop like you said, not like adding more burning tires to the pile will make a difference.
>>41731571this is why: if you don't consume copious amounts of media about being a man, transforming into a man, fantasize and daydream about being a man socially, physically, and sexually, you shouldn't transitionit's that simple, gender as a social performance vs. sex as a realized existencegender thinkers taught us that masculinity/feminity are social constructs ascribed to a particular sex, and that neither should define the physical role which we occupy
>>41731571>'questioning phase'> I got into a relationship with a straight man I trusted, and realised that all of those behaviours were out of fear.this cant be real its gotta be bait. its like theyfab stereotype number 1
>>41731571>misandry
>>41732642yeh, but I mean u can deduce it all by the timelines, take group d for instance, means for realization to social to detransition is 8.42 and realization to medical transition is 8.48 which then implies on average they start medical transition after social detransition, and then continue for about 5 yearsso they do discern between them but in a way that makes no sense and seems almost contradictorybut since overwhelmingly 'social transition' happens years in advance of medical transition it calls everything into questionnow it's all muddled and looks like it spells out a situation where ppl in group d do 4 years rle before hrt, and like... does anyone believe it???
>>41726747the male brained way is the perma detrans
Trans ideology is a scourge on humanity.
>>41726869ayyfabs really aren't beating the allegations, which makes it all the worse for the legit ftms (as well as messing things up for the mtfs)
this is great and all but can we get some research into the actual mechanisms and causes of gender dysphoria? None of this matters without it
>>41726324we already knew all thisthe rate of AFABs transitioning was disproportionally high compared to AMABsAFABs detransing at a much higher rate is to be expected
>>41726324>TL;DR WOMEN ARE RETARDEDverification not requiredd
>>41732753If you didn’t have multiple dreams with opposite-sex genitalia before age 16 you should be gatekept. Simple as.
>>41726826idgaf about afab trenders, i do gaf about icky losers who dont experience dysphoria and transition exclusively because they think being a woman is easier and they'd blame being a man for their problems instead of themselves
>>41726853yet agp rapemonsters make up the majority of optics nukes, interesting
>>41727032>mfw i got left behind the herd as a kid so i have to blame women (unless they're autistic (i havent met one though))classic
>>41727153more proof amabs are beasts incapable of reasoningthe non testosterone poisoned shall inherit the earth
>>41733545>validity of existence based on genetalia dreamswe have a place for you here at charing cross, transvestite
>>41731571This has to be real. Every afab with dysphoria is like this.
>>41726324I love seeing the faces of stupid ftm detrans nb valid boys after they detransition and ruin the community for everyone.AFABs really are easy to manipulate
>>41733681No one asked about your life story, but thanks for sharing
I'm a male and I'm considering detransitioning but I've never understood why people get so hysterical about it.For me it's like a dream that never came true and I feel foolish for believing it ever could come true but I don't blame others or think there was a grand conspiracy out there which manipulated me.Maybe I'll identify as a man out of convenience because that's the category that everyone will place me in but I won't just suddenly start embracing manhood.
