Some trans women flip from being mostly into women to mostly or even totally into men sometime into their transition. How does that work exactly? How can you live your entire life mostly into one gender and have it invert? Yes, some cis people learn they're gay or lesbian later in life, but they don't go from being straight to homosexual.
>>41891510Idk hormones make things fucky. Also I think I was confused and read a lot of my envy of women earlier on in my life as attraction.
>>41891679Same here. Sometimes it flip flops. I could kiss people of either sex but only guys seem to get me needy now.
>>41891689Same. I'm romantically into both, but only guys seem to make me that way sexually.
>>41891679Yeah I don’t recall ever wanting to actually have sex with women. I just thought they were attractive so I assumed I was straight. I didn’t think about men at all pretransition.
>>41891741Yeah i had a couple instances where i wound up with a woman in my bedroom and found that I was completely incapable of getting an erection, I think I was trying to do what was expected of me regardless of what I actually wanted. I hope I didn't give any of those girls brainworms
>>41891510kind of like how i found out that there are normal trans women around my age that arent just pornsick sissies, i realized there are bi people that arent just experimenting straights or repressing gays. nothing really changed except more social acceptance and my own self-awareness/reflection
>>41891510fuck i'm still flipflopping after 10 yrs of hrt
>>41891510I can't entirely speak on this because I'm bi; about equal number of male and female crushes historically. But where I used to be 50/50 (identifying as androsexual/gynoromantic), I'm now 90%+ into guys, and can't really imagine seriously dating a woman.I would say hormones made me less gynosexual straight away. Then surgery reduced dysphoria enough to kill the weird envy/lust fusion I would feel seeing female bodies.Reassignment made it so I literally couldn't top anymore, which made it impossible to dissociate into male fantasies; and it also neutralized bottom dysphoria, so I wasn't disconnected from my body anymore, and could think about sex from my own perspective, not an imaginary male stand-in.So for me I was attracted to women because of male socialization; having a male body; identity problems; and testosterone.If you take all that away, only the male attraction is really left.
>>41892112Thank you for the comprehensive response. 13 months hrt and I'm currently at the point where my sexual attraction to women is near-zero and my mind is no longer repressing my androphilia after a lifetime of thinking I was a feminine guy who's mostly into women and not relating to gay or bi men at all. With women, it was a weird dissociative envy/lust fusion cope for me as well. My bottom dysphoria is getting worse. It would be nice if srs puts an end to this fundamental mindfuckery once and for all.
>>41892272This sounds like me tbhon. Though sometimes bottom dysphoria goes away and I'm actually pretty happy with just having a mostly useless thing there.
>>41891510It's AGP
i think i’m straight but i dated a girl out of envy before i transitioned and felt obligated to pleasure her sexually as the “‘man in the relationship”. I only let her touch my dick maybe twice in two years of dating. I only have been attracted to muscle daddies on grindr since accepting myself but i wouldn’t do anal i want to get fucked like a girl would
>>41892284I don't mind it most of the time. It's only really an issue when I'm horny and reminded how fundamentally flawed I am/can't have what cis girls have (a normal fucking life).
>>41891510There could be many reasons. It could be like a comphet type thing where they never fully considered men as partners until reevaluating themselves as part of transitioning. Maybe they are just kind of submissive and it just works better with men now that they have a female body
>>41891679I feel like hormones don't have as much of an effect on sexuality as ppl say, from my experience it's mostly your self conception changing that changes how you relate to others sexually. And trannies are probably more likely to comphet if they're bi bc they're less likely to have to take on a "male role" in sex
>>41891510Most humans are bisexual but also prone to being influenced by conditions into only recognizing one side of their attraction. It makes sense for someone to be into women when their social role made that convenient and expected and then into men when that flips after transitioning
>>41892440No. I have been repulsed by female bodies since age 5 when I first saw one.
>>41892452I didn't say everyone is bisexual, just most or a huge chunk
>>41891510I was somewhat into girls pre-transition, but most of it was coping and envy and fetishization and whatnot. After transition, I've by and large been into men. However, meeting my best friend, who is a terminally online girlmoder t4c lesbian (I'm a boymoder), has made me consider my sexuality a lot more. I realized that I kinda have a tranny fetish. I have zero interest in females but MtFs are so hot, even if they're a little clocky. I could absolutely have sensual, erotic sex with another trans girl, mmmm making out and frotting and cuddling... but I would never want a relationship with one. I want a husband, ya know? Men are big and strong and protecting and handsome, and they make me feel nice and they just have a directness to them which I appreciate. I guess I'm a trans tranny chaser lol.She also has called me sapphic because I generally have a very strong and philosophical love for femininity and women and everything related to it. Sometimes I envy her ability to have such a loving connection to other women, I think it must be really nice to date someone you can relate to so much, but I'm just physically or romantically unable to be attracted to women. It doesn't compute for me.Pic unrelated I just posted a pic because it drives engagement
>>41892402Ooh this is also something I forgot to say. I had a Discord bf before I transitioned, but I honestly could never really handle being attracted to men when I was a boy because it made me feel like a gay man and that made me super dysphoric. When my body began to change on HRT, I found I no longer felt like being with a man was gay, because our bodies and minds would be so different. The idea of being with a man finally felt normal. Progesterone was the final nail in the coffin for my female attraction. I don't even doubletake at a hot girl now, and I'm not turned on by visual stuff in the slightest. Also, men make my tummy feel funny now. God I love boys, I wish I had a boyfriend...t. boymoder from above
>>41893977>Also, men make my tummy feel funny now.Literally same. It was never like that with women. I'm technically bi, but women do almost nothing for me sexually anymore compared to pre-hrt me. I'm into them romantically and in a sapphic queerplatonic way (aside from with other trannies, frotting with another submissive bottom dysphoric trans girl would be so peak). My sexuality is too weird. Having a somewhat trad masculine bf would be awesome, and my heart does yearn for one and being a wife one day, but the autistic retard tranny in me doesn't want to replicate heteronormative paradigms and T4T is extremely based. I'm OP to clarify.
Well as a guy I found men repulsive but liked masculine women hott and ftms (pre t) godly. A few months into hrt I started noticing men and hooked up with a post t ftm and it wasn't bad. I could probably handle being with a cis man now.
>>41891510All mental experiences (thoughts, emotions, sensations, desires, likes, dislikes, etc.) are determined by one's physiological situation.Undergoing cross-sex HRT changes one's physiological situation.Therefore, undergoing cross-sex HRT can change the landscape of one's mind, including one's sexual orientation.(This is conceptually similar to how eating the miracle berry [synsepalum dulcificum] causes sour foods subsequently eaten to taste sweet.)
>>41895646Why is it that 99% of society doesn't subscribe to this philosophy of mind? Other trannies will say it's about repression, which it is, but it isn't JUST repression. I think I understand why after writing that. Because no one wants to acknowledge there's an obvious hierarchy to the subjective quality of life that is determined by factors completely outside of your control unless it's nominal academic theory or online virtue signaling repeating the same shit everyone knows but doesn't really care about. A theory of mind based on physiology is too discomforting. It deprives the subject of agency and identity or at least challenges the mainstream conceptualization of both. It would also shift the focus to capitalism, patriarchy, conservatism, the government, and psyops. The average tranny is no better than normiefags in this regard. Both are fucking retarded.
>>41894418Yeeeees. Ok progesterone, whenever I feel aroused there's this super strong twisting feeling at the pit of my stomach, kinda in the middle of my waist. It's so intense I just kinda have to freeze and let it pass. It's AGP as fuck to say it, but it's really like one of those doujin girls with the hearts in her eyes.>aside from with other trannies, frotting with another submissive bottom dysphoric trans girl would be so peakThat's what I mean when I say I'm a straight trans girl with a tranny fetish. I need this experience. I would beg my bf for permission, or even a threesome. But omg I bet sex with another cute tranny is so sensual and nice in a way a man could never be
>>41891510Dr. Powers pretty much believes sex hormones determine your attraction. Put a normal person on female hormones they will beinto men, put a normal person on T they will be into women.What's more interesting is the exceptions who this doesn't work on. Like what causes gay people. In the case of Transbians powers believes they are immune to the neurological effects of estrogen which cause attraction to men pretty much.
>>41893977another one lost to internalized homophobia
>>41897625Huh. I definitely am more androphilic than before HRT but I think I still have some of the gynephilic neural pathways. It's weird. But I was androphilic beforehand, and was getting more androphilic with age. However I apparently have very sensitive ESR1 receptors and a genetic predisposition to converting T into E.
>>41897625I am currently detransing to find out if this is true or not.If it turns out to be true and I become attracted to women again, I will gobble CPA and become aroace for the rest of my life.It would mean that love, one of the most fundamental and beautiful human experiences, is fake. Nothing but a drug-induced side-effect.I don't want anything to do with love or sex if this is true.
>>41896605this place is cool
>>41897739Don't detroon dumbass
>>41897582Are you bottom dysphoric? My bottom dysphoria is getting worse. I thought most straight trans girls had bottom dysphoria.
>>41898733NTA but I definitely feel like it's gotten worse as I've gotten more androphilic. Even before HRT it was at its worst the more androphilic I was.
>>41896605Cartesian dualism and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race.
>>41898745I've always been able to date guys and weirdly I've only ever been neutral to whats down there
>>41898970The bottom dysphoria is very cyclical for me desu.
>>41891510Chaser sexuality and tranny sexuality aren't far apart at all...and chasers ain't hetero, lol
>>41898978kinda weird, its hard for me to tell if I am dysphoric in the same way you are or if im just agp/some sort of gigaqueen bi guy. I guess it has bothered me before but then again I also really diden't want to be effeminate and it was a point of insecurity for me.
>>41899006I get an icky feeling whenever I see body hair or stubble, is it like that but for a dick?
>>41891510>take girly hormones>get girly sexuality
>>41898733No, actually. I like my dick. It's small and cute and I want a boy to play with it. When I actually get a bf, though, I'll probably want SRS. Now, I used to be pre-transition. I used to cry over it
>>41898919Absolutely true anon
>>41891510>>41891679Thissss. Plus women tend to really worsen your dysphoria
>>41899741Could you elaborate? Do they expect you to play the masculine role in the relationship?My ex was like that.
>>41891510i don’t really know and ive thought about it a lot. i never liked guys but now i so viscerally do. its all kinds of things about them. i guess it was probably repressed underneath
