I'm a trans woman planning to start HRT very soon (whenever my university's health system will allow me, at this point). I've long been curious about how to ensure the most, best fat redistribution possible. Now that the date I begin hormone therapy is absent some unexpected catastrophe fast approaching, I'd like to solicit the advice of /lgbt/, particularly as I know the people here to have relevant personal experience with the topic.For anyone currently on HRT, at what BMI (or WHR or whatever measurement you believe best captures adiposity; I'm capable of calculating most of them for myself, and straight BMI does in fact obscure what could be important details, such as the fact I have a naturally small waist but have even more undersized hips, to my endless chagrin. It's embarrassing how many nights I've been suicidal over hipbones of all things...though this should indicate I'm more concerned about proportions and body composition than the overly elaborate cope overweight people trot out as to why bodybuilders somehow disprove the whole concept). Where are you now? How do you think transitioning, pun unintended, from one to the other affected your fat redistribution?That general question out of the way, I'll supply some personal information so it's clear where I myself am coming from specifically. I'm 5' 11" (interestingly I used to be closer to 6' but have been shrinking even before HRT. I may be 5' 10.5" now?) and 150 pounds at latest weighing. I have a little less than a 28" waist, 27" if I've starved myself, and 32-33" hips it's difficult to measure precisely, partly because of wishful thinking's delusional magnetism--but anyway, my legs are 34" long (by inseam) and my neck is 14.5" around. Shamefully, my biacromial is nearly 16", a fact that has almost compelled me to get clavicular reduction;(1/2)
needless to say, shrinking the muscle there as much as possible, and counterbalancing in the hips and thighs and maybe even butt (or am I tripping?) is the goal. I estimate I have 10 pounds I could more or less comfortably lose. Beyond 15 I would start cutting into lean muscle mass, which I'd prefer to avoid unless it's for a purposefully extremely brief period right before my first dose or something. (Or is a lot more gradual approach than any of this the smartest?)I'm happy to provide anything else that would help anyone make a recommendation. I'm not entirely sure what effects of HRT are real, as opposed to spread around as a meme, in some sort of vain hope they can be manifested, to troll people, by people overly generalizing their own experience, etc. so I'm not sure if measurements I've not even included are relevant, or alternatively whether everything I have listed is liable to change on a dime and doesn't really mean anything.At risk of monopolizing the board, also feel free to consider this a weight cycling general. I'm loath to use this term most of the time, but I'm happy to provide a place for debate about the validity or efficacy of "anamaxxing" as well. Especially because it would again be of personal value to me, but also because I hope it would be of value to the general anon or nona browsing here, kind enough, somehow, to frequent my humbly submitted post held as penitent votive to the queer egregore.(2/2)
>>41903198>>41903212>weight cyclingthat's a good way to get cardiovascular issues and/or type 2 diabetes.
>>41903252Could you elaborate? I assume you mean the upswing: eating too much at once would leave you vulnerable? I have to think that people like athletes and wrestlers have found ways to obviate that problem. I'm not sure why the total calories would matter rather than just continuing to balance sugar and carbs as before (regardless of whether you're eating more).
Why is this board so fucking dead? It's all some kind of ragebait spam or insipid hornyposting. The whole Internet has gone to shit. What happened in the last ten years that with more people online than ever, and the tech supposedly advancing all the time, you can almost never have a meaningful conversation with a stranger, especially not of any real length? If you're not locked into one of a few walled garden dopamine-hijacking social media ecosystems, and you're not content to trawl through interminable amounts of AI slop, there are maybe three places on the open web that still host any kind of discussion between people with different perspectives about topics of actual substance that don't simply regurgitate the same shibboleths endlessly like some vapid imitation of intelligent thought?
>>41903705sorry but you're thread is really fucking boring. I do not care about reading another trannies incredibly exhausting and autistic self measurements. How are people supposed to respond to this? I don't do "weight cycling" or ana-maxxing cause I'm a normal ass person with no time or money to bother I just try to eat enough that I don't look skelly. Good luck with your hrt or whatever. Make sure you get on injections hrt did almost nothing for me until estrogen injection monotherapy.
>>41903823Money to bother...not eating? And you act as though this isn't, like, the fifth thread I've tried to make here the past week that died. One I stooped to using a sexy thumbnail, too. Several were unrelated to anything you could even construe as personal. The way people here whine about time and money tells me they abuse and misuse both. Thanks at least for suggesting injections; I plan to advocate for them to my GP, as it sounds like they're by far the best RoA.
>>41904178no naturally I just kind of skip meals and end up losing weight if I don't focus on eating so that's what I mean. And i was exaggerating a little bit but I do find it exhausting to try to eat enough to add on weight even though it makes me look better. Anyway yeah we actually sound like a similar size and I had very minor effects from pills and only started seeing real fat redistribution when getting on injections 2 years later and eventually prog ymmv etc etc
>>41903705You are one of the reasons why this board is dead. Most shit questions get asked often. Just search your term in the archives (archived.moe) and there will be so many past threads about it.
>>41903705maybe they read your post and concluded from the way you write that you're a fucking wanker? honestly idk if you know this but you sound genuinely insufferable
>>41905258Being called insufferable by someone on this board is a compliment. Or I take it as one anyway. The people here are collapsing under the weight of their combined neuroses, but at least I usually produce some work of artistic or interpersonal value when that happens to me, and anyway the cringe sexual shit and misinformed pontificating on top of everything else is genuinely repellant. And again with the assumptions about me. I've checked archived.moe and there's never been anything but nonspecific drivel. I'm not digging through thousands of posts just to find the one where somebody contributed something of value. I suppose that seeing the quality (of lack thereof) of the archives does mean it's my fault I expected any difficult coming here, but hope springs eternal, etc. It's just disappointing. But that's another scratched off the list.
>>41906485*different that one is my bad. :/ I accept that for that one I'm the faggot.
ehh i don't think you can cheat the system by weight cycling. not as quickly as one would hope to see changes, at least. i've starved myself pre-hrt (depression + i also wanted to) so my gains would get deposited into gynoid fat, but shit might take a while (like years atp), so i'm just trying to gain muscle and weight rn. way easier to change your shape by gaining muscle than by waiting for hrt to give you changes (plus pio is only recommended after like a year or so on hrt)just dont anamaxx and you should be good. also dont try fatmaxxing too quickly or you'll just get visceral fat.
>>41903252elaborate anon, why will losing and gaining weight give you diabetes? that sounds kind of rubbish to me
>>41904178>>41903198>>41903212diy instead of getting hondosed on spiro for years you rambling retard, go ask in hrtgen and leave out the 4000 word blogpost
>>41903198For best breast growth the evidence says a BMI of at least 30 for the first two years of transition. I've been cycling between 30 and 35, and I'm 18 months on HRT. I'm older, so it's a bit harder for me. Measurements:Bust: 127.0cmWaist: 103.5cmHips: 113.5cmHeight: 183cmWeight: 118.2kg (currently cutting). Definitely diet alone is the way to go, you want as much of your muscle as possible to turn to fat (which takes at least 12 months) so you can lose it. Then when you're nice and squishy you can start rebuilding it. Other advice:Make sure you're using a collagen supplement of some kind (or eating lots of beef). Consciously hydrate, this is one is hard, you have to think about your fluid intake. Ham is amazingAvoid the sunDon't take medical advice from 4chanAlso sorry for the state of the board. Hasbara ripped through this place about 6 months ago and kinda killed the culture.
>>41906569>>41906623>>41906710Thank you all for the genuine responses; I'm grateful for your engagement with my post and its topic. I realize my listing of measurements was indeed very autistic, but I had intended to donate the subject to the commons by being thorough and writing a "blogpost" that set the tone as considered/well informed. I came in a bit hot, but it really is a travesty how the board culture has degraded, even in just the past few years but especially since I began regularly browsing in 2017. It's especially bad as at least then the Internet was still somewhat broad and open, without ChatGPT or its ilk effecting mass psychosis in our declining rhizome. But at risk of digressing, interesting stuff. Is it true that being literally obese is best? I get why, intuitively speaking, having the most possible fat (without verging on a life-threatening health condition) would yield the most possible redistribution, but is there something approaching more of a "golden mean" zone that would represent the biggest change in body composition with that same 5-point cycling value, e.g. 22 BMI that would take you from "normal" (here in America, AKA mildly overweight) to nearly obese, and also require less calorie consumption and metabolic and hormonal strain? I don't even know if I could make myself obese if I wanted. I eat a fair amount compared to how little I weigh. The most I ever managed to hit was 165 pounds and that was at my most depressed eating 4 meals a day. (I suppose I was playing a lot of soccer and rugby each week, but still). Avoiding the sun seems wacky though. My psychiatrist actually just prescribed me vitamin D. Is it more about skin damage and whatnot?
>>41907016 (Cont.)A much more complicated question/issue: what exactly is a hondose? I'm meeting my GP on the 12th and want to make sure I'm not starting off on the wrong foot and potentially setting myself back for years to come. Should I start with just estrogen? Anti-androgens as well? Injections immediately, or after/with sublingual/patch?
>>41907016dont bother too much with the details. the most autistic of us is still infinitely better than the chuds and larpers that infest this hellhole.avoiding the sun is cause our skin will get thinner and softer on hrt. so wear sunscreen. you'll thank yourself for wearing sunscreen 5 years from now.i do think that getting fat does more good than bad, but you shouldn't be gunning for anything out of your reach. as much as i want to, hrt is basically a second or third puberty, and there's no way to rush something like gynoid weight redistribution without hollywood levels of weight manipulation. maybe pio if you're thin and you want to gain weight. but yeah, eat well so your body has everything necessary to grow boobs and shit like that. should be easier to get fatter as well, hrt has the tendency to slow your metabolism (hoping it'll slow mine faster tho)
>>41907159That all makes sense. Thanks...I guess it's a bit of a fool's errand looking for some kind of miracle cure for what is the realest procedure of all, the application of time to the wound. I just wish I could get my proportions looking right for once.
>>41907238honestly, just telling not to jump the gun cuz i've seen cases where fatmaxxing too quickly into your transition just. distributed weight against visceral fat deposits. and i think if that happened to me, i'd be so fucking sad. but there's a neat thread >>41895506 going on rn abt fatmaxxing saving your proportions, maybe peruse it sometime. not telling you its impossible, but giving it your 120% is just pushing your body to its limits. do what you can while not going too far and falling off the deep end. we dont need more trans girls with anorexia or bulimia. shit breaks your heart.
I've been on HRT for like 5 months now and I just like the way it makes me feel, don't get caught up with any dumb brain worms about looks maxing garbage and be yourself.
>>41907450Maybe this is the true wisdom.
just use /hrtgen/, im not reading your fucking 3000 word response
>>41907028>what exactly is a hondose? Every dose prescribed by any doctor in any location on earth.also, when people are aggressive towards you, and you don't understand why, contrition and humility are great places to start.
>>41908695Humility sure. Contrition not so much, but maybe you mean the willingness to be contrite if it's warranted. That I would agree with. Either way, a fair message, and a valuable one as a general philosophy is concerned.Seriously, though. Acting like the vitriol channers will always spew at you is cause for reflection is risible.
