just to preface, im sure there are *some* trans men who actually want to be men and act like men, who you probably just never seei think most trans men though dont actually want to be men, but want to be men-lite. sometimes they’ll even get really upset if you call them men or compare them to men. most of them are extremely nonconforming for men, and don’t seem to care about things cis men do, or have the same social awareness of how masculinity is perceived… much more averse to hrt, and also often very quick to remind you and lean on them being afab. i think a lot of them just want to be yaoi (emulation of traditional & often abusive male and female relationships made palatable for young women) characters, or these heavily curated androgynous k-pop boys. it’s hard to imagine a tboy ever wanting to *actually* be like any of the men in my familyi think trans men generally see transition as a form of self expression rather than an innate mapping of sex or a “man trapped in a woman’s body”
>>41911480Yeah I think most of these "men" don't actually have dysphoria or anythingIt's the same with most enbies too
>>41911480>just to preface, im sure there are *some* trans men who actually want to be men and act like men, who you probably just never seeThey're stealth or you just don't give shit about them being trans because they're just some random men.
ftms cannot imitate men to any real degree and we all know it
>>41911480Asian trans men are just doomed to look like heavily curated androgynous kpop boys
>>41911497No trans person can completely imitate their cis counterparts
>>41911480>it’s hard to imagine a tboy ever wanting to *actually* be like any of the men in my familyWhat are the men in your family like...
>>41911494yeah, gaydens and theyfabs just are louder, manly ftms don't need to since everyone sees them as men anyway
>>41911526for the most part they’re all pretty conventionally masculine, large body types, sausage fingers, they like beer and sports, republican, make a lot of inappropriate jokes, not very big on feelings, really like sports, they like to argue and fight etc>>41911514that seems scientifically unsound… even if it were rare it’s possible so it’s probably happened
>>41911480>I'm an eternally online attention seeker and think that other eternally online attention seekers reflect a reality outside of online.Oh shut up already you insufferable loser. Tiktok teenagers aren't a sample group. Go outside.
>>41911575i live in a big city so theres a lot of them here, sorry! i’ve also been to queer groups before
>>41911565You want a trans guy with all that? Why? >>41911613>big city>queer groups"why do I keep finding bottoms in bottomville?"
>>41911625maybe it’s just because that’s what the men i grew up around were like so that’s what i assume most will be like, i don’t think it’s a bad archetypealso i think your two statements contradict each other
>>41911660Unfortunately masc men don't hangout in queer groups... You would need to go to a Trump rally, get into craft brewing, join a sports team or engage fantasy football to find the ftm you want.>i think your two statements contradict each otherI'm mostly interested in the Republican and sausage fingers part...
>>41911613No you don't and no you don't.Your thread had no purpose. It's an attack thread. You haven't meaningfully left your house in weeks. Go outside
>>41911712you’ve never seen the hands of guys who are tall and wide? they’re always super huge, maybe i worded it bad lol& i stopped going to queer groups after the first couple :/ i dont rlly care for sports either. also my family arent big enough losers to go into to trump rallies lmao>>41911722did the thread accurately describe you? i think i can tell what kind of person you are based off how you type…
>>41911761How do you expect to find masc ftm... If you don't want to do anything the masc ftm are doing...
>>41911772thats a good point, but i see masculine cis men pretty frequently
does anyone want to be a man? I think you have to be forced to be a man, and nobody forces ftms to be real men so they wont get there.
>>41911761You think that me pointing out that you're fundamentally wrong in your assessment sland sample somehow means that you're accurately describing me?Can you be any stupider? Good lord.
>>41911787Masculine as in appearance? If they pass you're going to discount them. If they look like a theyfab and are actually nonbinary you're going to count them.
>>41911794actually i agree! i think it’s similar for a lot of trans women too.i think gender roles are really forced, and most socialization and how we learn what society actually expects of gender comes from how youre raised as a kid. people aren’t going to micromanage adults behavior (or any trans person to a significant degree desu) so if trans people want to fit in with their gender they need really good social awareness, which is rare due to how trans people tend not to be socialized well growing up and are often autistic as well. for example on here theres trans women who think women basically just act like gay men
>>41911866usually i go off personality. desu i think cis typical personalities are exceptionally rare in trans people, but they seem more rare in trans men>>41911830wow you have such poor control over your emotions and are so angry you can’t even read anymore! i said “based off how you type.” you must have been coddled a lot
>>41911901If you count republicanism as a masculine trait then that immediately cancels out 90% of trans people since a majority of them are leftists. By that metric it was over before it started for trans guys.>t. leftist trans guy who passes as your average zoomer
>>41911949sorry, i probably should have clarified, i don’t think they need every trait, i was just describing what the men in my family are like since someone asked
>>41911565>they like to argue and fight etcFembrained.
>>41911480They want to be rapist freaks
Is this guy actually arguing republican = real man? Room temp IQ as is.
>>41911979actually i think it’s more male brained to want to argue and fight, i think women who are like that dont succeed in female social circles, but men seem to earn respect from each other through it. i wouldn’t be surprised if it’s part of the reason a lot of them think they’re trans
>>41912040Nah your relatives sound like catty bitches.
>>41912050you mean the male high level athletes?
>>41912013But beer and sports...
>>41912062>athletesExactly. As I said, catty bitches.
>>41912103again, it’s more about personality rather than interests, reading is just so hard isn’t it?
>>41911565I'm ftm and a lot like my father personality wise (though more mentally ill due to my mom), but the thing is that my dad is a very intelligent man who has also never been remotely into sports, has literally gotten drunk in his life, and is also very emotionally intelligent if sometimes lacking in empathy. He's also 5'3".
Funny enough I got the homophobic father (towards son) experience partially and have some degree of lingering internalized homophobia now because he was so terribly inconsistent with whether he treated me like a semifaggy son or an ugly daughter. I turned out pretty masc but I was already kinda masc in baby/toddler pics and it didn't stop me from having stereotypical gay hobbies either, so I don't think it has any real effect, just makes you learn to hide it better.>>41911565I voted Trump in 2016, haven't since because why would I when he immediately turned around and fucked us. I was never republican though, always more centrist libertarian and pragmatic enough to know anarchy/ancapism is retarded and we need some degree of law/order/regulation between minimal and maximalist. Voting third party doesn't work so I never did. I'm against unchecked illegal immigration and open borders, but I'm moreso against inhumane treatment of migrants regardless of legality, another strike for Trump. I don't hate illegals, I recognize there are situations where it's the best choice someone can make and it doesn't make them a bad person or deserving of disrespect, but we need a limit on the amount of people we allow to stay in order to have just the right amount of regulation of the gene pool (so we aren't inbred fucks or leading our own extinction) and allow cultural assimilation to whatever natural unregulated extent that happens. I like diversity so I'd like different countries to not all look and feel the same. Better odds of one surviving an extinction level event also. I'm not anti-admixture of any groups of people, race, religion, nationality, etc. and it's because I think we should all get to choose our own reproductive decisions and the government should fuck off that we need to slow things down with policy decisions that naturally lead to us retaining a healthy gene pool for all the races living here regardless how many of us fall for somebody different from ourselves.
>>41911480Trans men don't want to be men, they want to be AFAB 2.0Dysphoria is deeply asymmetrical between transfems and transmascs.
>>41913342im not so sure that dysphoria is asymmetrical, i think trans fems do the opposite genders version of the same thing. just because of the spaces and interests of trans men they’re incentivize to call themselves afab and distance themselves from men, trans women are also incentivized to distance themselves from men but due to transphobia
>>41911492Someone on here said something like "there are a lot of trans men with legitimate dysphoria who are afraid of losing male validation" and I think that's accurateThis isn't to say that there are a lot of "trenders" that you don't really see with mtfs. I think being a trans man is more socially acceptable than being a trans woman, so it's easier for something like that to happenEnbies are fake though. I'm glad we left that shit in 2020
>>41911480as a trans women this is what inspires me about trans men, they do pass in that they don't care about passing because like what man ever thinks about the validity of ones manhood. This perspective has helped me find my trans womenhood and keep things real for me.
also T shortens your life unironically but I do have mad respect for ftms who go through taking T too.
>>41911613>queer groups As an FtM stealthoid I drifted away from all queer groups the moment I started to pass even a little bit. Something none of you seem to realize is that once you're close enough to a "normal" cis man, you're not wanted in these groups and don't have any real reason/desire to want to be there either. This creates an extreme bias where these groups are full of theyfabs, transmascs and gaydens while all the masc passing FtMs haven't touched them in years.
>>41914062that makes sense, i kind of assumed they didn’t want any cis typical trans men (or even a lot of the trans fems desu) and that people were encouraged to distance themselves from maleness
>>41914062I'm a passing bi ftm who is in queer spaces sometimes and I'm generally stealth there and just come off as a kinda faggy guy.
>>41913804I don't think all enbies are fake. Where would that leave the lucky cis (as far as being assigned nb at birth and growing up to feel that they are indeed nb) intersex people? If it can happen to traditionally intersex people even at low rates I think it could happen to trans people since the only difference between us is that our condition is only in our brain and we therefore don't get the extra negatives that intersex people do (like actual genital mutilation and even more bullying and gaslighting than some of us trans people get). I just think most nb are cringe teenagers that will later turn out to be cis or binary, and I don't really hate them for being cringe since I was also cringe when I was younger, it was just before my egg cracked so wasn't assumed by cis people to be because I'm trans like what happens when trans people are cringe in public online. I met some perfectly normal and chill nb recently offline and it wasn't anything like the crazy dipshits you saw on xitter or bluesky.
