Trans requires social transition, which boymoders do not do. One cannot be a woman without being recognized as one socially.Boymoders are not trans, and they are not women. They are men taking HRT for "emotional comfort" i.e. to quieten AGP distress at being their birth sex.They further the stereotype of trans women as creepy men. Society now knows the boymoder look, and that boymoders consider themselves women inside.They must stop.
>>41911737okay, hon
>>41911737They do not transition socially because they can't To be trans all you need is dysphoria
>>41911737I would rather be a clocky troon, than a boymoder… luckily I am just seen as a (tall) girl by everyone
>>41911750okay, pervert>>41911756They are not trans in any meaningful way.They are creepy estrogenized men who take cross-sex hormones because it makes them feel girly.
>>41911770Women who can't live as such because they don't pass as women are still women
>>41911770>pervertI'm not the one going around dressed like a 14 year old girl while still looking like a whole ass man, lilith. I actually care about the comfort of the people around me like you know, an actual fucking woman. You are a fetishist straight man appropriating transsexualism because it makes your dick hard.
>>41911737throwing us under the bus isn’t going to stop them from hating you
>>41911803People who deny other's identity because of their bad takes are transphobic
>>41911737I don't consider myself a woman. I know I have an illness.
>>41911803I'm an androphilic natal male who looks like a female even with short hair and unisex adult clothing. You are projecting teenage fashion choices onto me because that's what you would wear if you felt you could get away with it despite being an adult.>>41911777One who is not treated socially as a woman is not a woman.
>>41911737it almost had reasonable logical flow, but then u threw 'agp' in there for no reason it's worth noting that blanchard didn't invent crossdressing fetishes or transformation fetishes, nor does 'agp' apply broadlyabout 10-20 years ago some studies were saying futas are the end result of internet porn and novelty/extreme seeking behaviorsit would make more sense to develop it along those lines
>>41911906While it's true that cd/tf fetishes are not necessarily agp, long term boymoders are 100% agp because their motivation for continuing to take hrt cannot be for any other reason. Body dysphoria is anatomic agp. Non-agp whose transitions aren't working give up and detrans, then look for other ways to fix their lives.
>>41911834blaire isn't a transsexual. they're a transvestite.non-ops desist. you can't complete transition if you don't want srs.
>>41911971no, u are misunderstanding agp, since when blanchard developed his typology it was specifically for trans women, developing a different account for why they get srs and make efforts to be seen as women etcur just over-applying it to boymoders cos u think 'ah agp is bad they will hate it if I call them that' but then some will turn around and say 'but I sleep w/ men' and it devolves since u hitched the entire argument on including something unrelatedit would make more sense to take the internet porn and incel angle, then develop the argument that their sense of 'feminine' is also warped by porn, so they will never accept anything as passing if it's not hyper pornographic, and then say look at the evidence, and look they don't transition, and have arguments about not passing even if someone could, and the increase in idolizing internet porn pplthe inclusion of 'agp' just makes it incoherent tbqh
>>41912007Transess is based on gender identity, not genitals, I believe.
>>41912038Transness*
>>41912027No.Body dysphoria is autoandrophobia is AGP.If they don't socially transition then them taking HRT can only be about AGP.HSTS transition to solve social problems, not to alleviate body hatred. Social problems are not alleviated by boymoding on estrogen. They are worsened, if anything.Performative androphilia has never precluded AGP.
>>41912065So you're saying hsts dont have dysphoria? They arent women, they're men crossdressing to rape straight men
>>41912065Is all androphilia by AGPs performative?
>>41911737i was a boymoder for about a year before i socially transitioned. i am trans now and i was trans now. if you transition at some point in your life (past, present, or future) you are trans. That said, for perma-boymoders you are right and i agree with you. If you never transition then you're not trans yea, but for the large majority "boymoding" is a transitional period
>>41912077>disclosed to my bf that I'm transsexual before we began officially dating and before we got anywhere near having sex>he initiated sex when we were both ready>this is supposedly "raping" himAs for dysphoria: HSTS dysphoria is over genitals being touched by others or being expected to use them. It's not the same as AGP dysphoria.
>>41911737sorry
>>41912107You dont have dysphoria, you hate having a penis because its inconvenient not because it misaligns with your conception of self.You just can't stop telling on yourself, you will never be a woman
>>41912107I'm curious how you would classify people whose genital dysphoria changed over time. I've seen people who previously had HSTS-style genital dysphoria that became more AGP-style over the course of transition and vice versa.
>>41912086That is a good question and I'm not convinced either way yet.>>41912101Boymoding while you get laser and wait for hrt to work is fine up to a point, but if you're over a year in and boymoding isn't starting to be incredibly awkward socially, then your transition isn't working.
>>41911737>kept dressing the exact same way i did as a boymoder >voice trained >people in my university now refers to me as she/her without question >c1s women compliment me on my skin and have called me pretty in bathrooms “presenting” as female is a meme, you can transition without ever putting on the dress
>>41911834i will say the thing no one else in our community has the courage to say. dylan mulvaney is not fake trans, she is just incredibly annoying. she behaves exactly how a typical 20-something upper class vapid white woman "influencer" would behave had she been born in the wrong body. she is unironically valid she's just a normie. also she passes now.
>>41912065no, ur making it up which really undermines the whole pointlike even as a troll it's just really a specifically nonsensical angle to try and argue, and then say that non-agp features are in fact agplike why make any effort in the post if u will cling so such a silly idea as reinventing blanchard to be some other headcanon
>>41912132>Boymoding while you get laser and wait for hrt to work is fine up to a pointthat is literally exactly what i did
>>41912153>the typology is invalid because I don't want to be AGP!
>>41912159>Race science is invalid because I don't want to be a mongoloid!
>>41912159no, u aren't sticking to the typology at all, so it has no weight if u throw it aroundthat said, the typology isn't valid cos nobody here really fits into the cluster of the kinds of ppl that made up those clinical interviews it was based on
I guarantee you op doesn't even pass, every fucking fake hussy on this board is a delulu honbeast
>>41911737most boymoders are just fetishists but maybe 10% actually boymode out of danger to their lives
>>41912202I think it's that most boymoders have severe anxiety or boymode to prevent "dissonant dysphoria."
>>41911737>Trans requires social transitionwrong out of the gate
>>41912227I boymode because I dont pass yet and I live in the bible belt and I'd rather not get assaulted for going to get milk from the grocery store. I got enough beatings as a child for being a faggot im not going to intentionally subject myself to more violence. I'm sick of these freakish hons trying to dictate my transition from their fucking ivory tower, fucking freaks
>>41912319>everyone who has socially transitioned is a hon
>>41912319This is also true! Fear of assault is a big deal. Rationally, I know I'm pretty safe, but when PTSD flares up boymoding is a source of security.
Boymoders are autopedophiles.
>>41912125What if it started one way and ended another?
>>41912423Or they're just scrawny and can't manmode but feel insecure about girlmoding?Is being scrawny autopedophilia?
>>41912408If you're giving people shit for boymoding, chances are you are a fucking honmoder trying to justify your public humiliation fetish
>>41912442If I couldn't pass, then I'd have detransitioned, not sat around on hrt telling myself I'm really a girl.
>>41911971Dumb Im a long term boymodder because there is safety risk to come out. I do not boymode in private
>>41912458I've been on hormones for 7 months, you act like this shit happens over night. In fact you probably do, because once again I guarantee you you dont fucking pass. You are a fucking hon that everyone is pity passing in your wealthy liberal safe space, and your boyfriend is a fucking faggot. Kill yourself you disgusting freak
>>41912478There's that male rage!I pass. I've passed for years and years. Boymoding was causing me problems by 6 months hrt because of my tits.
>>41912487Boymoding as in wearing a t shirt or boymoding as in wearing a thick hoodie that's two sizes too large?
>>41912501Boynoding as in trying to look like a man, not a weirdo hoodie dweller.
>>41912487I have c cups you fucking hon, thus the fucking hoodie so I dont get beaten to death with a tire iron in fucking alabama
>>41912442What chances? There has almost never been a case where that is true. You're coping and making shit up, and it's too obvious. Boymoders aren't trans, they just make up a lot of stories to make excuses to never face reality. They're all cis male trenders. There I said it but everyone knows it already.
>>41912512Do you know how broad of a category "looking like a man" is?
>>41912522
>>41912515Or you could socially transition.That's what I did once I realized that trying to flatten them by wearing sports bras under dress shirts wasn't fooling anyone.
>>41912478Bro you are seething so much. Even if you were trans you would be babytrans, shut the fuck up you don't know shit. But 7 months is the extreme end of legitimate boymoding. Any more and you're a transphobic male taking hrt to harass real trans women. You're not trans and the closest thing to a failed hon here.
>>41912522They're little perverts who think they look like teen girls dressed as boys. That's why they post their autohebephilic images everywhere.
>>41912542Yeah idk about that. It varies a lot by region. In some places it's not really that scary. In others it's terrifying. You would not have caught me honmoding in Appalachia even if I did so on the coast.
>>41912541Thanks for self reporting exactly who boymoders are. You're not trans, you're an angry failed man.
>>41912553You're an idiot. Some people barely even get visible breasts at that point (and some people are hondosed for that entire time).
>>41912553Sometimes transition doesn't work out. Passing proves unattainable. If that happens, then there's no good reason to continue taking HRT. Permaboymoders would never do that, though. They demand to continue taking their pervert pills.
>>41912568Bullshit. DIY boymoding rapists need to shut the fuck up. You don't know what a hon is, you don't even know what a woman is, let alone what trans is. Spoiler alert it's not whatever the fuck you're doing.
>>41912568If you don't get breast budding and soreness within the first week then you're faketrans and your body is telling you to stop.I got it within the first few days on what most would consider a hondose.
>>41912586Might be true but this brand of doomerism is male brained to the extreme. A real trans girl tries harder and escalates until they give up on life or pass.
>>41912590I'm not a boymoder lmao. I actually had really rapid (and painful) breast growth early on and it's kinda stalled since then.However, I do have a friend who is stuck with extremely tiny conetits after 2 years of HRT and another friend who was hondosed for 6 months by PP. Also, in case you were the one complaining about "male rage," don't you think you're being rather hypocritical?>>41912586For some it's just about preventing further masculinization. Better to be some weird twink thing than a gorilla.
>email social media and games profile pictures are all IRL pics of me passing in makeupbitch I don't want to boymode but I'm making progress and telegraphing my moves downtown
>>41912602What was the hondose? I have a friend who was put on 50mg Spiro and 2mg oral E/day like in that "My child will trust medical professionals" meme. They were on that for 6 months.
>>41912132>Boymoding while you get laser and wait for hrt to work is fine up to a point, but if you're over a year in and boymoding isn't starting to be incredibly awkward socially, then your transition isn't workingIts taken me 24 months of constant laser to stop having permanent beard shadow. It just does not go as fast as you would like for some of us.
>>41912621>For some it's just about preventing further masculinization. Better to be some weird twink thing than a gorilla.i.e. autoandrophobia i.e. AGP
>>41912602Hon dose this, passing doesn't exist that, Rolls-Royce of HRT here, male fail there, boymoding AI slop. It's all an elaborate cope they do.My eyes are being opened to the truth.
>>41912652Your logic is circular.
>>41912621Yes whining boy rage is cute and funny right. Get a grip loser.
>>41912634>I'm a woman onlineThe classic hon refrain, how much changes but stays the same
>>41912670You're just being weird at this point.
>>41912687You're being weird, I'm just calling you out. That makes you uncomfortable and self conscious. But that's not even an inch of the discomfort boymoder freaks make others feel on a daily basis.
>>41912684I was thinking about girlmoding this weekI'm too poor to own a dog/cat (at least for medical checkup reasons). I can afford laser right now but probably not makeup every day. I'm just not going to be an embarassment
>>41912708I'm being weird for what, exactly?
>>41912641100mcg/24hr weekly patches (roughly equivalent to 2mg oral E2/day) and no AA.
All boymoders are either sex offenders escaping to a new identity or future sex offenders trying to escape to a new timeline.
im an hsts boymoder so
>>41912708They really think nobody is weirded out by a malnourished, estrogenized male with no facial hair and breast development in a sweaty hoodie in the middle of summer with long, greasy, unkempt hair. It's fascinating.
>>41912719By posting what you do and defending this crap. It's just transphobic memes and skinwalking by cis men. Wake up.
>>41912727translation: meta-attracted jeep
>>41912723So you probably have hypogonadism? Had buds early on too but was 200mcg/day patches and no AA. Though the really painful growth was at around the 3 month mark (Tanner Stage 3). Had fibroids or something (size of nickels or so) all around my breasts so panicked and quit for a bit because it hurt so bad. Restarted with prog (which helped manage it immensely) but have kinda stalled on breast growth since around month 6.
>>41912742I've lived in really shitty places before. I have a friend who's still in one of them and she stopped honmoding because she was raped. You really don't get how bad it can be to be visibly trans in many parts of the world.
>>41912737They make me want to vomit. I used to sympathize because I thought they were just unfortunate trans girls. But then all of this manosphere black pill stuff started and anyone that questions it is told they don't really pass and are a hon. If that isn't invasion I don't know what is.
>>41912762If you are trans then boymoding actually makes you VERY VISIBLY TRANS. That is a fact and one every trans girl knows well, so why don't boymoders.
>>41912789Exactly, hit the nail on the head.
>>41912747The later growth was nothing compared to the initial swelling in terms of soreness and tenderness. They grew quickly even though I was borderline underweight and didn't consciously change my diet or exercise.But yes, I was severely hypogonadal. I didn't transition because of genderfeels; I transitioned because trying to "man up" had failed repeatedly. If I hadn't been able to socially transition and pass within 15 months of starting HRT (which corresponded to my college graduation ceremony) then I'd have detransitioned and tried something else.
>>41912789To other trans people, yeah. To the average cissoid? It's just some off-putting skinny dude. They see them as an anomaly, but aren't sure exactly what they are. It also doesn't help that she's 6' tall and lanky.
>>41912843>It also doesn't help that she's 6' tall and lanky.Boymoders love to "brag" that they're 5'7 and therefore would pass if only they could get FFS, though.
>>41912854BPDemons on this website, yes. The boymoders I know irl? Not really. One just looks like kind of a twunk. The other is the 6' tall twinkhon boymoder who really needs to eat more.
>>41912789Boymoders are all transphobic incels that obsess about replacing trans women and turning it into a third sex.
>>41912900That sounds more like rapehons tbdesu.
>>41912918The only difference between a boymoder and a rapehon is honfidence.
>>41912933That's more like a manmoder vs a rapehon. Boymoders tend to graduate into either twinkhons or passoids.
All trans women are socially male.
SRS should be mandatory for continuing HRT beyond the two year point. Boymoders would seem less creepy and threatening if they weren't allowed to keep their dicks.
>>41912975I get it for orchis, but vaginoplasty being mandatory just encourages people to go to shitty, cheap surgeons and clogs waitlists for better ones.
>>41912957>this is what boymoders actually believeBoymoder = young manmoder
>>41912993HRT kinda keeps them from turning into a manmoder. That's like, part of the point?
>>41912988The problem is the penis, not the balls.
>>41912998No. They're just as much men as manmoders are, except manmoders don't delude themselves that they're feminine.
>>41913000Iunno, without the balls it's just kind of a tube? And again, fucking up supply and demand for vaginoplasties is bad. Orchis make sense as a procedure to mandate because it shows serious commitment and is both cheaper/less likely to be botched.
>>41912918>>41912933It's the same thing but hon at least implied they're trans. Boymoders are just men on estrogen and honfidence is a coping mechanism lie they spread.
>>41913019Nuking my T production didn't stop me from getting it up at will. Orchi wouldn't have either.The optics nuke and the thing that upsets people is penises in female spaces, not testes in female spaces.Want to stay on HRT? Lose the dick.
>>41913013Eh, maybe it's because I see boymoder vs manmoder as a distinction that I apply to others rather than a self-professed label, but that doesn't really seem to be the case?Like, the 6' twinkhon effortlessly male fails if they aren't in the boymoder get up but flat out doesn't feel safe where they live because of the aforementioned rape. Like she's frustratingly feminine and I want to throttle her because she just needs to stop boymoding already, but she desperately needs therapy for PTSD.
>>41913042Getting it up at will? Wtf kind of dick sorcery is that? Even before HRT that idea would feel alien to me.
>>41912957Boymoders are never passoids. The same masculine bullies that scream at everyone they don't ackshully pass? Saying that just comes across as supremely narcissistic egotism. You don't just transform into a butterfly. If we're talking about any misplaced confidence here, it's that right there.
>>41913052People with unresolved and unmanaged trauma or mental illnesses shouldn't be transitioning in the first place.A "twinkhon" is by definition nonpassing. If you pass, then even male presentation fails to result in being gendered male by others.
>>41913068You couldn't get it up at will even before HRT? Are you trolling me?
>>41913073See this comment:>>41912889You're describing the behavior of another demographic that overlaps with, but is not the same as, the boymoder demographic. I do think the average boymoder is more severely brainwormed than the average tranny, but it's very weird to complain about behavior that is neither exclusive to nor encompassing all boymoders.
>>41913052Boymoders are just infantslized or autoinfantalized manmoders at this point. Nobody means a trans girl that is presenting male very early in transition anymore.
>>41913105Boymoders cannot be redeemed by gaslighting and saying it's a different demographic.
>>41913090>Person is raped during their transition>Person is traumatized by said rapeThey didn't have the trauma prior to transition. >>41913102It always took like, manual intervention? Even then it was very inconsistent. It was mostly just involuntary before. Morning wood and whatnot.
>>41913122I think you need to touch grass tbhon. >>41913111When I say "boymoder," I mean someone who is either presenting as male but doesn't really look like an adult man, but rather like, a teenage boy or weird androgyne. Something that is observed rather than self-described.
>>41913132I got spontaneous erections from certain erotic stimuli, sure, but I could always will an erection too if I wanted one. I did that a lot during the wait for SRS after the surgeon told me that regular masturbation would help preserve available tissue.
>>41913167Weird. Are you androphilic or gynephilic? Any other common trans comorbidities (autism, ADHD, MTHF-R mutations, hEDS, CAH, etc.)?The idea of just willing up an erection feels so strange.
>>41913145Anons, do you have autism? Everyone here knows what they're talking about, but you choose to be a pedant and obstruct your own ability to communicate. I can only imagine you're saying touch grass because others have said it yo you so many times.
>>41913184Androphilic. I'm the hypogonadal anon from earlier in the thread. Not aware of having any of the things you listed.
>>41913145>someone who is either presenting as male but doesn't really look like an adult man, but rather like, a teenage boy or weird androgyneAUTOHEBEPHILIA
>>41913199It's autohebephilia to see someone else as "not really a man"? >>41913199Gotcha. I've always had strange proprioception issues so that might be why I can't do that. >>41913191Not really dignifying that. People ITT are following a very strict definition of boymoder that just doesn't line up with my experience of interacting with people irl.
>>41913243Boymoders tell themselves they look like teen boys and not adult men as part of their autohebephilia.
>>41913258If it's the label they apply to themselves, yeah. Labels aren't necessarily self-applied, though.
>>41913243Man you are autistic. Dignify it or not, it's a you problem.
>>41913285You seem curiously invested in denying that boymoders are men for someone who would presumably deny being a boymoder.
>>41913285But do you deny that the people here that call themselves boymoders are not passoids, not trans, and are just seething looksmaxxing men that fail and screech that nobody passes?
>>41912142By and large correct but I'm always amused by the average level of autism here. Those compliments do not mean what you think they mean
>>41913243>Gotcha. I've always had strange proprioception issues so that might be why I can't do that.I'm willing to accept that it could just be me. I also never had a refractory period.
>>41912408No but you are
>>41913306I'm a self-admitted honmoding lateshit. It's mainly that the one boymoder I know the most is the most frustratingly feminine tranny I know and I get annoyed at just how wormed she is. Perpetual victim of self-sabotage with some admittedly clocky features, but not really clocky enough that she can't work around.
>>41913355Whatever helps you cope with being a man with tits
>>41913331I think people who call themselves boymoders are either early HRT, live in a place that makes honmoding dangerous, or delusional in some way or another (BDD passoids or honfidence issues). >>41913349That is really strange, too. I'm curious if that's a typical hypogonadism thing.
>>41913360Trannies are famously inconsistent at clocking.
>>41913360You are a rapehon and fetishizing what you think is feminine and so lucky. He is probably just a man and you're frustrated he's throwing it all away, just like rapehons scream at FtMs that they're throwing it away. Get therapy or devolve further into seethe hon moding.
>>41913388So you just make bullshit cope excuses instead of admitting what everyone else sees. That's gaslighting, you're telling people it didn't really happen and they don't really see it daily. Straight up gaslighting.
>>41913408Seek help instead of trying to psychoanalyze anonymous users on an imageboard.
>>41913427What do you think the delusional category encompasses?
>be me>15 years hrt>short (0.5") hair, men's jacket, zero makeup>seeing a show on broadway>usher points out the women's restroom to me without me asking
All AGP girls are happy and bubbly and sweetAll hsts theads are bitter, sarcastic, doom posting about not passing, hating on agps, complaining about man modding,
>>41911737Jennie-coded post, if not simply a post by Jennie herself
>I'm just as much a woman as you are, even though people think I'm a weird man with long hair and moobs!
>>41911737Malefailing is literally a requirement for being a boymoder, and that means getting recognized as a woman.You're thinking about manmoders.
>>41917275Boymoders malefail only in their imaginations. Boymoders and manmoders are the same thing other than that delusion.
>>41917309Define boymoder then.
>>41917309i wonder if "people" like this ever spend time thinking how retarded they sound to people who experience the things IRL that they claim are impossible
I consider myself a boymoder because I still go by my legal male name, have made no effort to change my documentation, and wear the "male" version of my work polo shirt.However, I have long hair in a feminine style, wear very light makeup, and am basically every time assumed to be a woman by every stranger I meet at work. If not a boymoder, then what am I? I really think a lot of this boymoder hate stuff comes from jealous manmoders who get treated like men by strangers and therefore lash out..or honmoders who think they have to dress like 14 year old girls to be acknowledged as women. I just don't think those things, I believe and my experiences have supported that I can conceal my transness from the government while also being recognized as a woman by strangers.
People need to fucking stop boymoding... Tee hee I'm gonna try and have plausible deniability about being trans.If you can pass, go and transition; if you can't, stop taking the damn hormones. Staying in that zone just makes you a androgynous mess in the worst way. People will look at you like a freak, not some cute looking boy, you hit weird uncanny shit. And that fucks up perception for all of us.
>>41911737>Trans requires social transitiontheyfabbery and its consequences etc
>>41912737I saw the perfect example of this yesterday. Person is obviously on HRT and hoping to hide as a male with a t-shirt, jeans (skinny jeans surprise surprise), poorly kept long hair and no feminine grooming.Instead they just look like a weird creature and should actually put in some effort or give up so no one needs to look at them.
>>41917876Is this boymoding? It doesn't look like they're trying to hide as a boy. They just don't have good sense.
>implying boymoders and manmoders are more off-putting/worse for optics than the average honmoder when normalfags don’t even know about them
>>41917927fucking REALas a boymoder I get shesheshe all day every day and nobody bats an eyehonmoders get complaints to management
I think honmoders being off putting and needing to stop is universally agreed on here. The argument is that man/boymoders should fucking cut it out and make a decision after they've been on HRT enough to tell if they can transition. The stasis is not helping.
>>41918013>The argument is that man/boymoders should fucking cut it out and make a decision after they've been on HRT enough to tell if they can transition. The stasis is not helping.Says who?? Nobody is bothered by gendering me female. Why should I expose myself to a far-right totalitarian trump government when I don't have to. I don't trust the government and I don't trust cissies. I get acknowledged as my gender without having to throw on crop tops and shit so why would I not just continue doing that.
>>41911737Bait used to be believable.>>41911834See pic related. Transsexual is an outdated term. It's physically impossible to transition your sex. You can only transition your gender.God the trans part of /lgbt/ is so right wing coded it's insane.
