most of your boob development issues are medication/lifestyle induced. if your tits are small, pointy, and/or too firm its because youve been chasing lean breast development too much. fatmaxxing wont fix this because gaining weight is going to result in a greater proportion of fat stored via fat cell hypertrophy in existing cells vs fat stored via adipogenesis. trannies have to solve the problem of getting more fat in their tits if they would like the same kind of soft, round, full breasts that cis women have.to do this you have a number of useful tools:- pioglitazone- progestogens- glucocorticoidsPioglitazone is the obvious one as it increases PPARy activity directly. unfortunately, it appears to favour the lower body specifically. topical pioglitazone efforts have shown dubious results and its likely not a viable means of selective fat deposit increases.progestogens are valuable as they increase lipid uptake in feminine pattern fat deposits, but their efficacy can vary substantially between individuals. the trans community has largely settled on bioidentical p4 as the progestogen of choice, but we still cannot explain the strange androgenic effects from it in some people. many progestins are highly androgenic, some even proving more potent AR agonists than DHT. Of the safe progestogens, hydroxyprogesterone caproate and dihydroxyprogesterone/algestone acetophenide appear to be the most effective of the non-androgenic progestins.glucocorticoids, in particular clobetasol and betamethasone, are useful as topical breast fat pad enhancers because breast tissue has a unique response to glucocorticoids. whereas in general circulation GCs cause fat deposit atrophy via lipolysis and visceral fat gain over time, in the breasts they cause significant increases in adipogenesis. there are a number of documented incidents of cis women developing macromastia requiring surgical correction from systemic corticosteroids. they are however not to be used carelessly.
where to get pioglitazone in US though am i stupid
>>41965554betamethasone and clobetasol dose? I presume daily, but roughly how much per application?
>>41965554progestogen did nothing for mefuck my titlet hon life
>>41965554elaborating on glucocorticoids.glucocorticoids are a relatively unexplored area of transition meds. unlike the others we have only months, not years of records of trannies using them. theres no significant risks with them that were aware of besides those related to either skin barrier compromise or adrenal insufficiency, both of which are serious. glucocorticoids suppress immune system function, tend to go systemic, and suppress the HPA axis when in circulation. for this reason overexposure to them can be dangerous, and protocols have to be built around this and things like buffering effects in skin to balance safety and efficacy. given these medications appear to be very potent with only a small number of applications and tend to have a depot like effect in skin that can last for up to a week, its recommended to take a few doses over the span of several days, and then take between 6 and 8 weeks off to fully reset your sensitivity to the drug and minimise exposure. the current recommended reddit protocol is a week of every other day dosing, followed by 7 weeks off. early tests in communities however have shown impressive results (albeit with increased risks and possible signs of impaired judgement) in cases of more aggressive usage, with one girl dosing daily for 2 weeks and getting very visible increases in volume that eclipsed other topical fat pad enhancers we have tried.>>41965606the progestogen? all the progestogen? is there a specific progestogen you have tried?>>41965562hrt.coffee has sources
>>41965600enough to coat the breast, also >>41965620
>>41965620WHAAATi tried going to hrt.coffee months ago and got like a "site does not exist" error i thought it was gone omg and when i asked about it nobody told me i was wrongthank you nona holy crap
wait, please elaborate on the algestone acetophenide. it is actually a good non-andro progestin, compared to the "normal" progestogen we usually take late into transition?
>>41965554girls will do all this but wont take a multivitamin & fish oil or do their shots on time
>>41965798it seems like it likely has similar activity to hydroxyprogesterone caproate, but due to some bad mice trials its only used in south america. that said, i cant find any evidence of the south american girls complaining about it so i assume the mice trials were bunk.>>41965813speak for yourself
Can't get pio where I'm at, it's stopped at the border.Still trying to maxx my tits tho
>>41965816yeah i was afraid of using any hrt with it cuz i couldnt pinpoint any good studies stating its effects. however, going off of anecdotal evidence and hearsay, it does seem to improve curves by increasing water retention, so i wonder if that's related? tgirls here are using perlutal and it's doing a nice enough job at feminizing them.asking this cuz if perlutal's progestin is actually good for breast growth, maybe i'll hop on when i'm tanner stage 3
yas birth control pill with ethinyl estradiol and drospirenone seems to be good. There seem to be a lot of women experiencing breast growth with those, as EE2 has better receptor translation promotion than E2 as E2 turns into weaker metabolites which might crowd receptors
>>41965967this chart is horrifically wrong wtfDSRP looks good at least, but EE2 scares me
>>41965998>even p4 has some binding affinity to the ARwtf is this bs
>>41966031https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5740213/#SD1read and suffer, and then realise that its because the androgen receptor and the progesterone receptor are actually not massively different structurally
>>41966119>and then realise that its because the androgen receptor and the progesterone receptor are actually not massively different structurallywoah this sucks. so what, is bica or AR antagonists the only thing that helps against shit like this then?
>>41966188heres the thing, bical doesnt reach all tissues with the same efficacy, so...
>>41966219what about 2nd or 3rd gen NSAA? Like enzalutamide/darolutamide? I know theres is work on androgen receptor degraders but i feel like thats years away from getting anything orally or similar from china raws
>>41966231they may be substantially worse for you due to increased blood brain barrier permeation
>>41966245it mostly is, but combined with the others it may elevate breast fat increases
>>41965554>the same kind of soft, round, full breasts that cis women have.My ex was an hrt femboy who was obsessed with growing boobs and he researched "NBE" (Natural Breast Enlargement) techniques super intensely: >Noogleberry / manual stimulation to mildly boost local prolactin levels>Herbs>Glandulars>r/nbe>BreastNexum and BreastNexus>SurferJoe's protocols>Yumi Kane and other Asian NBE'ers>Diet techniques>domperidone He ended up with big round plump boobs so there is something to it.
im too worried about the androgenic effects of progesterone to take it, i suspect that's why the whole "progesterone makes you horny" stuff comes from too, it's just a ton of t
>>41969466see >>41965998>>41968189the stuff ive seen of that nature that seems pretty legit is breast pumping, especially cyclic pressure breast pumping as its way more effective for the time spent using the device and will probably get used more than a constant pressure device. herbals im always unsure of and you can easily spend quite a lot of money on them for a result that may or may not exist. i also think domperidone is probably harmful to breast fattiness, not helpful.
>>41969731Domperidone can cause rounding & growth, including of fatty tissue, if it is doses correctly. It does this by boosting prolactin. > The lactogenic hormone prolactin is one of the factors that stimulate adipogenesis in preadipocyte cell lines and has variable lipolytic and lipogenic effects in mature adipose tissue [22]. Prolactin had been assumed to be involved in mammogenesis [6]. Prolactin receptor has been expressed in the mammary gland fat pad in humans [23],>https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2798110/The main thing is you dont want to take enough to actually lactate and need to keep your e at a non-lactating woman's range while on it.
>>41970123why don’t i want to take enough to lactate?
>>41970160Because, if you lactate, you run the risk of post-lactation deflation (similar to cis women). If you're following the Newman Goldfarb method, you'll also need to decrease your hormones to stimulate the post-chimdbirth drop.
>>41970123>>41970184yeah post lactation is my worry. right now ive got enough worries about depression so i wont fuck with it, but thank you for this info.
>>41970123Prolactin-boosting supplements like Fenugreek should have a similar effect, right?
>>41965554friend used pio with no effects
>>41970267I've known mtfs who had growth on fenugreek so it can def work.
>>41970293dose/expectation issue most likely
>>41970319wym
>>41970372pio doesnt work well for fat pad expansion below 30mg/day, and even then its slow. fat new pad growth in general is hard to achieve as an adult, but it is doable with time. ive heard of drugs that go with it but melatonan-ii is a fucking scary thing to take.
>>41965554Does anyone know if mixed sex fraternal twins tend to have quirky results on hrt? There's a lot of fetal hormone crossover happening in utero & some of them have microchinerism. I ask because I know a mtf who has a twin sister and her results mog the vast majority of mtfs. She grew BIG boobs and a bubble butt.
>>41970301Interesting. I'm gonna try it.
>>41970680Good luck, id recommend looking into red clover and goat's rue too
>>41971286Gonna introduce one thing at a time. Have too many health issues to play around too much, otherwise I'd be on domp.
>>41971307What health issues?
>>41970293>>41965554just shooting my evidence out there. I took poor for around 6 months at I think 22mg every-day or something. I went up around 40 pounds and while I did see some growth on my ass and thigs my biggest growth was my chest I think I went up like 2 cups. I have unsees if anyone cares.
>>41971432Brain fog, headaches, dysautonomia, severe nerve pain, etc.
>>41971527Have you had your thyroid checked?
Isnt the whole thing with prog is that if you take it orally it gets converted by your body into something that gives androgenic effects, but if you take it anally it just goes to your blood stream without being converted and gives you anti androgenic effects?
>>41965554>there are a number of documented incidents of cis women developing macromastia requiring surgical correction from systemic corticosteroids.There are also some who grew huge breasts on d-penicillamine.
>>41971599The easiest way to use it for breast growth is to apply it topically.
>>41971520yeah you can post those, we’d appreciate it
>>41971543Thyroid is fine. Waitlists for anything my PCP can't do are almost a year long.
>>41971599Prog metabolizes into neurosteroids if taken orally and other hormones if taken rectally. The anti-androgenic properties come from it binding to androgen receptors iirc. The prog > androgen conversion is apparently rare and requires the presence of an enzyme not present in most adults.
Do PRP injections to breasts during growth amplify results? I hard about someone doing that and having good results.
>>41971641this isnt just to see my boobs anon
>>41971520when did you start taking pio/prog? i'm like less than 6 months into hrt so im wondering when the most optimal time to start would be
>>41965554What are the most impressive boob growth examples that you can think of in trans women? How much growth is possible?
>>41971847Oh, this was well into my 3rd year, since I've just had really consistent growth. But I also gave my self low dosage at the start of hrt to give my buds the best chances of forming. Sorry im high atm, but don't rush things. I started injections around the 8-month mark, and even that at a way lower dosage than i think the pills were giving me. Let me build an unsee but I DONT HAVE crazy boobs just like obtainable boobs with research
>>41971632i didnt know it even came in such a form
>>41972305Progesterone cream is super easy to get.
>>41972179https://files.catbox.moe/2q4367.pnghttps://files.catbox.moe/u0tloe.pnghttps://files.catbox.moe/u0tloe.pnghttps://files.catbox.moe/4xahxc.png
>>41973682damn, just the 3 months on pio one mogs me to absolute death, good job nona
>>41973765these arent like crazy i think just like really eating food did a whole alot i just couldnt eat that much till i took pio. >>41971847>>41971641
>>41973682I gotta get on pio Jesus Christ why did I give myself an eating disorder
>>41973788i think it’s just that i’m starting from a higher weight and bmi, so it takes more to make mine look big against the rest of my body and i’m more hesitant to gain weight
>>41973811i mean i think i was 130 when i started after having a pretty bad ed. I still think the play is ed then start e with blockers and slowly increase your diet again, then after like a year of regular eating, then go fucking ham
Does anyone know where to get pio in Sweden/EU customs won't clear them or should I kms
>>41965554Anyone ever try the dhea cream method?
>>41970660>twins have better transitions Nick Fuentes would be fabulous
>>41971599not quite, the rectal route is oversimplified and depending on your anatomy it can be a lot closer to oral route than most people think. ive shifted to progestogen injections because frankly p4 is overrated and unreliable for feminisation>>41971632this is possibly true but the main advantage of topical is that it lets you dose lower. we think it should penetrate into breast tissue applied topically with the right penetration enhancers but theres really no guarantees and ive personally given up on it.>>41971606thank you for your low understanding non-contribution.>>41971682this isnt true at all, see >>41965998 and this image here. all thats required to turn prog into androgens is cyp17a1, which is found in abundance in your testicles and adrenals, but will also be distributed throughout your body for local production of androgens. its entirely possible were overemphasising DHT in the prog metabolite pathway, but if you consider the sheer amount of p4 we take, how much of it gets metabolised and to where, its very easy to paint a picture of us essentially dosing androgens with a bit of prog activity depending on luck and route.>>41972096dunno, how much fat can your tits make?
>>41973889either try alldaychemist or else get homebrewing, sis
>>41972720where do you put it?are you not supposed to put on chest like E gel? or is it diff i see my hrt dr in jan
>>41976495Ordered some from some other India website and it got stopped.I don't think i can homebrew pio lmao
>>41973889just steal from a diabetic friend
>>41977996I don't have fat friends.
>>41977956you absolutely can, just get the raws and a capsule press
>>41979605Where do you get raw pio?
>>41965554>>41969466>>41970123>>41970267I take risperidone for my bipolar that made me lactate and go up a cup size or so
>>41980521Hmmmmm... I might actually be bipolar so I'll keep that in mind.
>>41973682My cum on those tits
>>41980222google hubei vanz pharm and shoot them an email. i recommend buying a minimum of 50-100g of it.>>41980521yeah, antipsychs can def boost boob fat but theyre not really something i can easily rec to anyone
>>41965554>: tits.pngI don't understand her smile, she overdid breast enlargement, it's her mistake, and it needs to be fixed.
>>41981089rip newfig
>>41965554if I'm already like 10+ years on hormones is their anything I can do? or am I just stuck with these fucking retarded looking things?
>>41981173my friend who used clobetasol and got significant results is 6 years into HRT. the glucocorticoid macromastia stuff involves one report of a woman who was in her 40s getting growth.
>>41971606>>41973682your first pic is more than i have after 8 years fmstl
>>41981212first tag was accidental im retarded
just got some 610 mg fenugreek pills. 1 a day or 2?
>>41980961Tyvm nona
>>41966119dumb question, but if progesterone and androgen receptors are very similar then how do anti-androgen medication interact with progesterone medication? Do the progesterone receptors get blocked as well? Would it also be possible to coordinate your anti androgen and progesterone medication to get the desired results of progesterone without the side effects?My very uneducated guess is that the issue is a lack of progesterone receptors vs the amount of androgen receptors along with the high dosage of progesterone entering the body. The brain might just determine there is too much progesterone to deal with so it converts it to an androgenic hormone since there are naturally more androgen receptors. Maybe if there was a way to severely atrophy the androgen receptors you could encourage the growth of progesterone receptors and no longer have this problem and take progesterone safely. Or maybe just slowly upping your dosage of prog while taking spiro is enough
I'm about 5 moths into hrt, using injections. Is 5mg every 5 days alright?
>>41981908yeah, bicalutamide apparently has 1/12th the progesterone transcription inhibition effect of its androgen transcription inhibition effect in spite of having 100-500th the binding affinity for the PR that it has for the AR.>>41982054its not bad, a slightly lower dose could probably be done but youre probably gonna struggle to dial it in without blood tests
>>41978540nice
>>41965554i want boobs so bad :( just inspired me to finally buy pio
>>41981435Also curious to know this. Mine are arriving tomorrow. I'm gonna try one a day at first just to see if I have an issues on them.
>>41983009make sure you use it with the other things, as its unlikely to increase boob fat on its own
>>41983040which in particular? im already on prog
are any of the herbal supplements like goats rue and pueria mirifica (sp?) real and whats a good dose if so
>>41983170in particular, i recommend reading the stuff on clobetasol. i really do see GCs taking off as a means of enhancing breasts.
>>41982943So bica is more likely to bind to progesterone receptors than androgen receptors but less likely to block progesterone? Makes sense if that’s the case. I guess I might try gradually increasing doses of progesterone with bica and see what happens with blood test ty
>>41983204no no, bicalutamide is less likely to bind to the PR than the AR, but in spite of the 2 orders of magnitide lower affinity for the PR it only has a 1 order of magnitude lower actual DNA transcription inhibition, making it a weak but functional progesterone blocker
>>41970382nta should i take pio asap if im 19 y/o?
>>41983797the main window for fat pad expansion has largely passed but basically once your initial breast growth is done it cant hurt to do a 6 month stint on 30mg pio a day.
>>41983020that was what i figured i’d start with. some random person on reddit said they were taking 2 a day of like 1830 mg, so essentially 6 pills of mine, so idk what a good dose is
>>41983182is it just like any normal clobetasol? i have plenty of that from srs can i just use that
>>41984767yep
>>41987187any idea on amount/dosage to use? not tryna fuck up my tits
>>41984182>>41984182r u fr????? what the fuck i started 3 yrs ago did i cook myself by not doing pio immediately when i was 16. my tits still hurt tho and ik they’re still growing they’re not filled in yet and the shape keeps improving as time goes on.
>>41987354Read further up, there's a good couple posts on it>>41987421Nah we're all shades of imperfect just do what you can now
>>41973682man I love women
is it too early to try pio if im 1 year hondose + 1 year good levels + 2 mo prog and look like maybe how a small ish b cup looks on cis women? or should i just go for it
>>41973682but whats the point when its over a ultra male ribcage
>>41988627Give prog a couple more months then hop on pio and clob cycling
Bump
>>41965554You don't want massive hooters. I'm mtf and grew a pair of Fs on a thin frame and they get in the way all the time and make sports a pain in the chest.
>>41991477>implying i play sports
Im underweight and ten years on HRTCompletely flatchested. How do I unfuck myself
>>41991640how flat chested do you mean, and what do you mean by HRT?
>>41991922Estrogen, injections. Sometimes prog.With flatchested I mean I can wear a shirt and people won’t noticeMy nipples look like tanner 4
>>41965554So you can experiment on yourself with steroids and androgens, or you can pay a guy a few thousand dollars to implant boobs. Hmm.
>>41988897you just get FUCKED thats what
>>41968189>NBEneon boobesis evangelion
does anyone know ideal just-started HRT breast growht diet? for research reasons
>>41994084its called eating food, apparently its ideal if you start thin to just gain weight then
>>41994223eat but don't eat to much in the beginning then like once u start getting breast buds eat to support their growth
>>41994223i was hoping for more of this here in the picture which ofc isn't a replacement for HRT but a healthy diet never hurt.I actually do have a brain and my best guess is prioritize proteins and fats and make sure I err on gaining weight as if i were a little girl developingdamn I want boobs
>>41994307yeah unfortunately a lot of this is just honscience and anecdotal shit, if you like eating onions then go for it but debatable if it does that much of anything
>>41965554God I wish I had big big big breasts. Like watermelons.
>>41994376I'm not an expert in HRT at all but HRT seemingly has 1000 similarities with bodybuilding where the goal is just to reshape your body with stimulation and diet. People swear by genetics but genetics only dictate the ranges of your possible phenotypal developments. /fit/ has its broscience which is basically the same as honscience in a different area of expertise.say if theoretically there were a list of ways to sabotage your breast development:>poor or inadequate diet>high stress!?!>bad hormonesthen theoretically the opposite of this would be very very important guidestones but I don't see any of that here
>>41994307This is fucking stupid
>boob development issueCaused by not being female
>>41992633You need to replace those fuckers a few times. if it was a one time deal, doing that would be more ideal, but given the current state of boob job tech, no lol
>>41965554consider yourself lucky. Mine are large but saggy and a little spread apart. So not much cleavage. I wish they were just a bit wider
>>41976483does this mean you can avoid androgynising effects of prog with an orchi??
>>41994397Yeah it definitely is similar though I would say hondosing and not eating enough is talked about quite a bit here. Besides that we don't really understand the effect of hormones so in depth to really say much, progesterone helps but even that's a mixed bag.
>>41983253so is this why diy trannies are flatter or...
>>41992591try hydroxyprogesterone caproate injections, along with topical clobetasol. growth is always possible.>>41992633some of us want naturals. if the boob job does you then thats good for you darl but id prefer that natty feel.>>41994307>girl posts worst infographic since trap aesthetics, gets 4chan downvotedall of that is terrible advice, and phytoestrogens while potentially helpful are also potentially harmful. genistein is the main one of interest iirc, and you can just buy capsules of it. beyond that eat for macros and micros.>>41994388i just want plump ones desu>>41994882wider is the goal>>41996254potentially, but we wont know without trying. theres also potential risks with androgen elevation from orchi, as the massive post orchi LH surge seems to both restart boob growth and cause some strange form of pituitary changes that result in increased circulating adrenal androgens. you can stop this by using a blocker like CPA or GNRH meds but you also lose the boob growth boost too.>>41996738no, and theyre also not. most girls are just unlucky and dont have genes that grow big tits regardless of HRT. endos also dont know a fucking thing on this, the only people interested in giving trannies fat tits are other trannies and the odd weirdo like powers who for some reason actually cares about us.
>>41997799post orchi LH surge seems to both restart boob growth and cause some strange form of pituitary changes that result in increased circulating adrenal androgensso by getting an orchi you basically permanently start masculinizing??
>>41997946that has been some poor girls experiences of it, yes. like i say, its from the LH surge, so if youre dosing cypro or a GNRH med you can avoid that. in some places thats a standard prescription post orchi for transfems.
>>41998140i've never heard of this wth. Never seen it happen? I guess monotherapy isn't a help here. I'm definitely going to try prog after orchi tho and document results but gees. This sucks... was feeling very hopeful that I'd finally not need my gnrh blocker anymore :/ . I'll probably just risk it and see what happens with no blocker, surely I get lucky this one time even tho i haven't gotten lucky any other time
>>41998191its only temporary, if you block that initial LH surge post op you can come off blockers forever
They're a bit low on my chest and bottom heavy due to external reasons but those are the results of like 5 months of actively trying to grow them
>>41998331what have you been doing?
>>41998373High dose injections (9mg EV every 5 days), 200g prog boofed daily, weight training (growth hormone), lots of protein (onions protein thing i buy frozen), supplements (omega 3 MSM boron among others) and some meditative shit a few times lmao
>>41998331your growth is really good but like, youre lacking intrammamary fat to really spread that boob tissue out over a wider and taller area. progs good at this but not as good is clobetasol is. also microdosing reta sensitizes your body to insulin more so youll get more fat growth there.
>>41998451I used to have breast implants which is the main reason causing the excessive skin i think. They're already looking way better than they did months ago lolSadly can't DIY anything from outside EU due to customs here, already hard to source prog lol
>>41998466fuck. nobody able to run you some from a neighbouring country? if youve got a bad rash at all you could go to the doc and get a prescription for it, betamethasone is the next best choice after clobetasol so that works too. asking a friend if theyve got any spare is also a viable option.
>>41998479*potentially viable option.
>>41998479Nah I have no contact from anyone outside of Sweden anymore. And not much inside too lolTried ordering pio from India, got sent back :( but I think i can manage with just that just needs more time it's already been a ton of progress for 5 months so who knows where I'll be at in another 5This is how they were 5 months ago for comparison
>>41998500youve def done good, just trying to see if theres anything i could suggest to help you do better is all darl. i fucking love seeing trannies winning.if i were to offer any possible alternative given that, itd be to fuck with ordering raws from china. thats doable given chinese will send you that shit as a vacuum sealed bag of creatine but its probably more of a commitment than most girls are willing to do and i completely get that.
>>41998518>youve def done good, just trying to see if theres anything i could suggest to help you do better is all darl. i fucking love seeing trannies winning.Oh yeah thanks for the advice I'm always listening dw I'm just pissed I lost money ordering pio lmaoYeah I've had someone advise me to do that already but if I'm completely honest I'm still kinda scared to DIY shit that's not bioidentical HRT. If I'm stuck in a while I'll definitely reconsider it buuuut idk i don't wanna get megacancer in 10y yknow lmaoSpeaking of. I could probably source reta? I think peptides are very easy to order from within EU. I wanted to order BPC 157 for joints already. But as i said scared af!
>>41998536ye theres peptides within the EU and the chinese have good stealth generally. if you wanna grab them you could hit up meso-rx for chinese sources (typically $200-300 for a kit of 10 vials of 10-60mg, plus a kit of bacteroistatic water). alternatively if you drop dc i can just DM you my current preferred source if you dont wanna hunt for things.
>>41998553>meso-rxThx for the name I'll give it some time ofc but why not screenshotting it all to keep it o7Don't have DC or any social media for that matter lol but thanks for the offer anon
>>41998556its best not to post too much on 4chan desu, theres plenty of bad actors here and i dont wanna draw needless attention to good sources of valuable meds
>>41998560Oh definitely lol better to keep sources safe especially lately with all the focus on tranny shitIf you wanna post your DC I might make one and hit you up but not necessarily rn! Super busy lately
Boobump
noko
is this /boobgen/
>>42002928nope
>>42002928There was no /boobgen/ this Sunday maybe someone should put one up
I was going to correct you guys and call this essentially bro science but I remembered I want online creepy inceloid trannies to die of weird cancers so w/e all im gonna say is that if this had a shred of truth in it you wouldnt stop hearing about it and cis women would use it even more than lip fillers
>>42003087>moid chud hasn't heard of nbeNot surprising
>>42003017ngl i had no idea /boobgen/ already existed. which is funny cuz i thought it'd be /hrtgen/ but breast growth focused, instead of the obvious reason why
>>42003115I mean it is lol that's why it was created.But ofc it's tits they're sexual for most ppl
>>42003110you're barking up the wrong tree, I might use OP's pseudoscience as a psyop so inceloid trannies are more likely to develop heart failure or adrenal shutdown just to go up a single cup size
>>42003155i prescribe you a daily nursing handjob to calm you down
>>41973682Those nips in my mouth right now
>>42003333oh thanks anon
>>41994612>You need to replace those fuckers a few timesIf you aren't radically changing size, it's not a hard to recover from surgery. Even going up in size enormously, it's not so bad.
>>42003584I have the opposite of lactose intolerance and need your help
>>42003087>>42003155i post about this shit the NBE discord sometimes and they have ears for itfuck off back to /r/mtf you clueless fucking retard
>>42003884>I post about this shit the NBE discord sometimes and they have ears for itwell that proves everyone wrong then (im lying, you're pretty deep into the circle of autism hell)
ok so can someone eli5 because im like genuinely slowif i started monodosing EC about 2 years ago, what should i do next?i like think i've permanently fucked up my chances of having a feminine build and i want to kill myself
>>42004236btw i'm 20 rn idk if that like adds to anything
bump for anyone that can post results from topical glucocorticoid use
op post tits or gtfo
>>41997799do we have any idea of how long LH remains elevated after orchi? anecdotally I'm 4 months after mine and still seeing somewhat better breast growth but went back on bica from mono injections due to worries about adrenal DHT production (but haven't been able to get either levels tested)
>>41997946>>41998301happened to me post, i stopped my blockers 3 months after but still got permanent androgenizing type changes :( my T levels are permanently higher post so i need to be on bica or i grow hair and stuff it fucking sucks nobody told me this shit besides the initial post op surge
>>41965554>the trans community has largely settled on bioidentical p4 as the progestogen of choice, but we still cannot explain the strange androgenic effects from it in some people.nigga what?bioidentical p4 is just progesterone. progesterone is the hormone our body converts into testosterone. taking progesterone puts more of the precursor molecules for both testosterone and estrogen in your body.what's the confusion here?
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>>42007951i'm so scared that this is going to happen to mei got it knowing of ppl who experienced the same and gigadosed injections before and after for a bit but i'm not enough of an endocrinology nerd to know if that would've even done anything to stop that from happening
>>42004236progesterone. you can try rectal, but i personally recommend 250mg hydroxyprogesterone caproate a month due to it having no androgenisation risk.>>42006945herehttps://litter.catbox.moe/1jqy5lcvjj88y7cl.jpgabove is 2 months of continuous use of adifyline 5% gel, a commercial topical breast enhancer, contrasted with 2 weeks of continuous daily clobetasol application. i should stress that daily application of clobetasol is unnecessary and unwise due to skin buffering effects, and this lengthy of a period of application may also be unwise. skin thinning can also occur due to clobetasol usage, so have some tretinoin on hand and consider using it between clobetasol cycles.
>>42008361banger, tysm. do you feel like the growth has increased at all following your 2 week clobetasol cycle?>i personally recommend 250mg hydroxyprogesterone caproate a month due to it having no androgenisation riski read that people typically run this one anywhere from every 14 days to once a week - do you find that you get the desired effects at once a month?
>>42007425im not sure, youd have to go look at the old data on it which i think has some stupid title like "orchiectomy restores female ovulatory LH spike" or something. i havent been able to find it for a while.this article here confirms it at a glance though, and seems to imply it persists in spite of CPA usage after orchiectomy...https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1089/lgbt.2016.0190>>42007951wait, you got increased androgenisation in spite of blocker usage? what blocker did you use?
>>42008435its actually my friend who is in the photo. she volunteered to be basically the photo girl for any breast enhancement stuff i try a while back and while i did repeatedly tell her not to apply it daily and not to do it for 2 weeks she did ignore me in favour of fatter tits. i feel like i should say though that she gave herself muscle pain from ignoring that advice that took a few weeks to go away.>i read that people typically run this one anywhere from every 14 days to once a week - do you find that you get the desired effects at once a month?im presently advising this because i did 2 shots of 250mg last month and gave myself actual PMDD from fucking prog withdrawal.
>>42008435>>42008550oh, if youre thinking of doing continuous prog injections i dont recommend that. prog is best cycled because it actually lowers estrogenic genetic expression in favour of progestogenic genetic expression. also your receptors need time to reset or youll get downregulation. the body does everything in pulses and cycles for a reason basically.
>>42008435as for breast growth itself, ill ask her when she visits today, but likely it has not. shes on her 6th year of HRT i think so there may not be much more room for glandular development left, unless she wants to try the prog injections im on.
>>42008361how much clobetasol do you use and where?>>42008533i was on supprelin implants for many years (youngshit)
>>42008933fuck, im sorry nonaclobetasol is applied to the boobs and nowhere else, dose is enough to coat the whole breast well. you will want to let it absorb for a while before putting on a bra or top or anything else that could rub it off your skin.
>>42008004anon what the fuck are you talking about?
>>42008996yeah i know the boobs only i guess i didnt really know like, do i just do the underside or avoid the nipples or anything like that. sounds like pretty generally the whole area though
>>42009023nah general whole area. also watch out for paradoxical eczema and issues related to that, that can be a reason to discontinue in some people given it compromises skin barrier function. i help prevent it by using zinc and chamomile lotion daily after showering on an evening and washing the clobetasol cream off.
>>41994397it's kind of assumed these are already controlled as much as possible
>>41998331The problem is that you are rushing your breast growth instead of allowing it to occur over time, gradually.What you are lacking is density & firmness of your breasts.
>>42010285I had BA. I had my implants removed. That is why i have excess skin. Normally ppl do a breast life post explant but I decided to grow them instead.
>>42010285uh, no. what shes lacking is volume. volume fills skin, not density.
>>42010306Ngl I didnt take pics post explant before my regrowth but I should've just to show the progress lol there was absolutely no volume it was sad deflated saggy skin. Made me feel so bad. Still while they're filling out they're still not close to my implants size sadly :(
>>42010306She's lacking density. In regards to BREAST DENSITY.Voluminous breasts implies something else.
>>42010306>>42010310Earliest thing I have is this picture in late July when I already had some growth happen so not the sad deflated pancakes I used to have lol
>>42010331Vs today taken rn
>>42010330you moron, do you not understand the concept of skin sag?
>>42010331What is going on with you? Do you have any idea the types of photos you're sharing? Also you clearly forgot to remove the hair on your knuckles.Please be mindful of your self-dignity and self-awareness.
>>42010407What a weird-ass msg lmao>hair on your knucklesThe humanity!
>>42010404Why are you calling names?Density of the breasts is what makes them truly feel alive.Volume is like a 1ml plastic bottle.
>>42010417Is that you in the photos?
>>42010435Yeah why
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>>42010417You should be more accepting to constructive criticism. It's not really intended as harsh. Try setting the bar higher for photos you take, and revealing less. This is an NSFW imageboard after all.>>42010441Still trying to provoke an argument?
>>42010456no, i just want to point out to you that you are in fact incapable of constructive contribution on account of being too stupid to know what youre looking at. to top things off, you also missed the point of the thread entirely, and are yelling at a girl for posting less than perfectly flattering boob pics in a boob improvement thread. you are evidently not all that bright, and i wish you good luck in dealing with that.
>>42010456>constructive criticismWhat are you talking about?Breasts aren't inherently sexual. I can go topless on beaches where I'm at, I'm not American, and I don't care much? Anyway these are meant as a way to show progress not to titillate ppl.And everyone has knuckle hair i just happen to be from an ethnicity with darker hair, I could laser them like most girls in my ethnicity do but I don't care?As i said above, I had implants removed, so I need growth to fill the skin. Is all. Growth is happening but it's only been 5 months.
>>42010467Who said I'm yelling at anyone? Can't we just chat and get along? You're the one being super hostile & territorial.
>>42010472I worry about my breasts, to be honest. I get super scared that I have breast cancer and it's like I can feel your implants being removed just by you talking about it.
>>41965554Pioglitazone is predominantly just overall weight gain from low blood sugar. The tits and ass fat theory is basivally honscience. I did pio and it permanently raped my waist.
>>42010496Ngl it was one of the hardest things I've had to do in my life. They made me confident and happy and it was super shit but they also got infected one (one had to be replaced) then caused autoimmune issues... I sadly had to after years. Now I'm pretty confident they'll be completely fixed in some time and even now they're okay to me compared to what they used to be. The growth i had in 5 months is crazy, I think.
>>42010506>PioglitazoneI never heard of people taking that. Are you using it off-brand or something?
>>41965554>glucocorticoids, in particular clobetasol and betamethasoneCan I just use hydrocortisone or any other prescription-free alternative?
now i dont really know if getting an orchi is a good idea, having permanently high LH sounds like hell and id probably just kill myself
>>42010715I had orchi and my T is nuked idk
>>42010715I think the LH surge post orchi only lasts a few months?Not sure. Bicalutamide 25mg a day is prob the safest way of negating that LH surge.
>>41991477>once again the mtf that exercises/plays sports gets huge titsdamn i really think that active lifestyle really is the key it seems to have the most consistent results anecdotally from what ive seen online, unless ur just a youngshit in which case frick u :(
>>42010715What does high LH do?
>>42010715pretty sure it's only after the first few months after orchi
>>42010506lol skill issueyoure not supposed to spike your insulin on it, moron>>42010691no, not strong enough
>>42011267>no, not strong enoughIt won't do anything or it'll just be less effective?
>>41965554>get told to fatmax>now i've fatmaxxed get told i've just ruined my breasts foreveramazing. so this is why they're kinda saggy.
>>42011345how so?
>>42011624Loose skin maybe?
>>42011679volume issue desu, fixed with the meds in OP
>>42012999Gotcha. I'm trying Fenugreek for the time being because I am overall sensitive to meds but I'll consider them in the future if I need them.
>>42011172I knew a mtf who exercised *religiously* and unironically ended up with a bust like this at 2 years. Not exaggerating.
>>41965554Very interesting and new approach with the gluccocorticoids!I would be interested in seeing results or (if available) citations. Even links to reddit results would be fine.Currently I lean towards the idea that boob fat is a "solved" issue in that surgeons have seemingly surgically solved it (picrel). Imo fat transfer to boobs didn't used to work but seemingly at least some surgeons can do it now. In that context I think it's probably too risky to mess with gluccocorticoids which can kill you if you don't handle them super carefully (as you say you all have safety protocols to manage this).Still, that's much more expensive and if a topical just worked that'd be amazing.
>>41965842as a big muscular chaser this is peak sexy for me
>>42014386im 2 years and alsmost completely fault hmm mayhaps i shoudl kill myself???
from what im reading itt, exercising is something we all should be doing huhik that's obvious, but i think we should be preaching exercises/going to the gym more, crazy how that jumpstarts your metabolism
>>42015165not really, thats just anecdotal evidence. you risk looking manlier better to just diet
