(I will post screenshots from a book about science in which the meanings of "fact" and "definition" and the relation of each to the other are explained in the replies.)Many (if not all) of the claims and questions that transphobes make and ask, respectively, about trans people (or about sex/gender in general) would be revealed to be either not factual, not based on facts, or meaningless if those who make them specified exactly what they are talking about. For example:>Why can’t trans women just be feminine men?Define “feminine”. Define “men”. Then, having done so, demonstrate that it is a fact that trans women can’t be feminine men. Only once you’ve done all of these things should you ask this question.>Trans people promote gender roles.Define “promote”. Define “gender roles”. Then, having done so, demonstrate that it is a fact that trans people promote gender roles.>Trans women are male socialized.Define “male socialized”. Then, having done so, demonstrate that it is a fact that trans women are male socialized.>Trans women have male privilege.Define “male privilege”. Then, having done so, demonstrate that it is a fact that trans women have male privilege.>Trans women claim that they feel like women, but they do not.Define “feel like women”. Then, having done so, demonstrate that it is a fact that trans women claim that they feel like women and that trans women do not feel like women. (1/10)
>>41996650>Trans women are not women.This one is self-defeating if “trans” is understood to be an adjective, which is how it is typically used in English. However, even if we take “trans women” to be a noun phrase (which is how transphobes seem to use the expression), that still raises the questions: Define “trans women”. Define “women”. Then, having done so, demonstrate that it is a fact that trans women are not women.>Trans people are mentally ill.Define “trans”. Define “mentally ill”. Then, having done so, demonstrate that it is a fact that trans people are mentally ill.>Trans people are groomers.Define “groomer”. Then, having done so, demonstrate that it is a fact that trans people are groomers.>Trans people don’t exist.Define “trans”. Then, having done so, demonstrate that it is a fact that trans people don’t exist.>Human beings can’t change sex.Define “sex”. Then, having done so, demonstrate that it is a fact that human beings can’t change sex.>If genitals don’t determine gender, then how does removing them affirm it?Define “determine”. Define “gender”. Define “affirm”. Then, having done so, demonstrate that it is a fact that genitals don’t determine gender. Only once you’ve done all of these things should you ask this question. (2/10)
>>41996650Did you make this in response to >>41996630
>>41996665Transphobes do not define the terms that they use—or they do define them, but in ways that do not accord with how they are typically used (e.g., they invariably define “woman” with reference to some supposed essence or other, e.g., a particular pattern of chromosomes, even though science has repeatedly demonstrated, starting in 1938 [1], that there does not exist a single biological trait that simultaneously is found in every woman and is found exclusively in women [2])—let alone demonstrate that the claims that they make about trans people (or about sex/gender more generally) are factual. This is because the purpose of anti-trans rhetoric is not to state facts or to attempt to establish what the facts are, but to poison the well—to portray trans people and their allies as not worth listening to—or simply to waste the time of, or to demoralize, trans people or their allies.“The purpose of a system is what it does. There is after all, no point in claiming that the purpose of a system is to do what it constantly fails to do.”—Stafford Beer [3]Don’t let them waste any more of your time. Don’t let them demoralize you any more. Give them nothing.[1] Ford, Charles E., et al. “A Sex-Chromosome Anomaly in a Case of Gonadal Dysgenesis (Turner’s Syndrome).” The Lancet, vol. 273, no. 7075, 4 Apr. 1959, pp. 711–713, https://doi.org/10.1016/s0140-6736(59)91893-8.[2] Serano, Julia. Trans People and Biological Sex: What the Science Says. YouTube, 12 Feb. 2024, https://youtu.be/ZymYiwoRoC0.[3] Beer, Stafford. Diagnosing the System for Organizations. Wiley, 1985.
trans women are men who look maletrans men are women who look femaletransgender ideology is meaningless"identifying" as a woman or "perceiving yourself" as a woman means absolutely nothing at all
>>41996669I’ve written this as a PSA. I’ve been prompted to do this by the trend of troll posts seen on this board in recent weeks. I’m not responding to >>41996630.>>41996675See also:Morrison, Toni. “A Humanist View.” Public Dialogue on the American Dream Theme. Black Studies Center Public Dialogue, Pt. 2, 30 May 1975, Portland, OR, Portland State University. A recording of this speech is available at soundcloud.com/portland-state-library/portland-state-black-studies-1. The speech begins at 6:50.Innuendo Studios. “The Alt-Right Playbook: Never Play Defense.” YouTube, 29 Nov. 2017, youtu.be/wmVkJvieaOA.Thorn, Abigail. Who’s Afraid of Gender? (A Guide to Judith Butler). YouTube, 17 May 2024, https://youtu.be/QVilpxowsUQ.Picrel is from:Hubbert, M. King. Technocracy Study Course. 5th ed., Technocracy Inc., 1945. p. 8.(4/10)
>>41996734Picrel is from:Hubbert, M. King. Technocracy Study Course. 5th ed., Technocracy Inc., 1945. p. 9.(5/10)
>>41996759Picrel is from:Hubbert, M. King. Technocracy Study Course. 5th ed., Technocracy Inc., 1945. p. 10.(6/10)
>>41996770Picrel is from:Hubbert, M. King. Technocracy Study Course. 5th ed., Technocracy Inc., 1945. p. 11.(7/10)
>>41996780Picrel is from:Hubbert, M. King. Technocracy Study Course. 5th ed., Technocracy Inc., 1945. p. 12.(8/10)
>>41996787Picrel is from:Hubbert, M. King. Technocracy Study Course. 5th ed., Technocracy Inc., 1945. p. 13.(9/10)
>>41996794Picrel is from:Hubbert, M. King. Technocracy Study Course. 5th ed., Technocracy Inc., 1945. p. 10.(10/10)
>>41996734See also:Innuendo Studios. “The Alt-Right Playbook: You Can't Get Snakes from Chicken Eggs.” YouTube, 31 Jul. 2023, https://youtu.be/dF98ii6r_gU.
>>41996650anti-trans people are all retarded, you can't reason with them like you can present facts and they'll just turn a blind eye because it doesn't prove them right
>>41996650>trans women are male socialized"male socialized" = raised in the social role "man/boy" from birth with all the benefits/drawbacks that entailsexcepting those that transition before 13, by definition trans women are socialized as male since they grow up in the "man/boy" social role during the most significant developmental period for a human>trans women have male privilege"male privilege" = the social and material advantages that come with being male and/or occupying the "man" social rolethose that troon out young have male privilege in the sense that they are unable to be impregnated via rape, don't need to worry abt whether they can access an abortion if they get pregnant, etc. otherwise they don't have much male privelegetroons that troon out later (after 25) have the privilege of occupying the more advantageous man role for the first part of their lives, meaning more career success and being taken more seriously in general>Trans women claim they feel like womenYou can't "feel like a woman". You just are a woman or you aren't. >>41996665"woman" = adult human female, "trans woman" = male who identifies as trans, has undergone a social and medical transition to appear as female. trans women are not female, so they aren't women.>trans people are mentally illDefine "trans" - someone who identifies as trans and goes through a social and medical transition. HRT/surgery is a treatment for gender dysphoria, a mental illness that is required to even have the desire to transition in the first place.>Human beings can't change sex"Sex" = the developmental pathway a person goes down that typically leads to the development of testicles or ovaries. Sex is differentiated at conception, so it can't be changed, i.e. you can't go down a different fetal developmental pathway as an adult.I don't agree with the rest of the statements.
>>41997130I wouldn’t say that they’re mentally retarded. I would say that they’re wilfully ignorant.
>>41997333you shouldn’t ignore that these can coincide.
>>41997145>the developmental pathway a person goes down that typically leads to the development of testicles or ovaries.so niggerbabble? it cannot be identified on a person? "oh yes girl let me check your developmental pathway" You exclusively used this ""definition"" to claim that "sex is defined at conception and muh unchangeable" despite it being useless in any metric. A definition, in order to be reasonable, should be clear and usable, and yours doesn't fill out the criteria>HRT/surgery is a treatment for gender dysphoria, a mental illness*neurological, this doesn't make sense unless you call autism a mental illness>"woman" = adult human female, "trans woman" = male who identifies as trans, has undergone a social and medical transition to appear as female. trans women are not female, so they aren't women.niggerbabble that is a pathetic attempt at trying to reason for a conclusion. Is an intersex individual reassigned to a male, who transitions to female not a "transgender woman" despite sharing 99.9% of experiences? who "identifies as trans"? Why do you define women as broodmares and not as human beings? "Adult female human" would be much more grammatically correct, but you don't use it.>You can't "feel like a woman". You just are a woman or you aren't.niggerbabble and spergniggerism. Noticing now, arguing with you seems pointless as you talk like a lolcow-fed gpt bot> by definition trans women are socialized as male since they grow up in the "man/boy" social role during the most significant developmental period for a human>raised in the social role "man/boy" from birth with all the benefits/drawbacks that entailsWhat are these benefits? What are these drawbacks? Why are these cathegories so "separate", as if somebody "female socialized" cannot be exposed to these benefits/drawbabcks under any case?
>>41997145>those that troon out young have male privilege in the sense that they are unable to be impregnated via rape, don't need to worry abt whether they can access an abortion if they get pregnantDo infertile women have "male priviledge"?>the privilege of occupying the more advantageous man role for the first part of their lives, meaning more career success and being taken more seriously in generalthat is practically one-shot by any mental issue or flamboyance
>>41997785>>41997802Don’t let them waste any more of your time. Give them nothing.
>>41997489I disagree that they can coincide. Wilful ignorance requires a level of intellectual sophistication that the mentally retarded are not capable of.
>>41996650Anti-trans rhetoric is very much factual, based on facts and much better research than that which is done for PRO-trans rhetoric.This is one of the most important, factual, recent videos regarding the lies of the entire transgender ideology, and I encourage you and anyone else considering transitioning to watch it:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raVMeLtcbxMPic unrelated, it's what you'll never be (a woman)
>>41996675Can you define a leg
>>41996650Anon, I think there's better ways of spending your time.I appreciate your academic curiosity, but the average joe does just not give a simple fuck.To them, all your sources are a jewish scheme to eliminate the white race, or some other bad guy scheme to eliminate the genetic deadends.It's very important to know you've not gone mad and that there's a logical explanation behind our suffering, but once again, it doesn't matter to the sheeple made deaf from the divide et impera game.If you ever wish to speak, do it on a forum in real life, or personally to individuals; not on a vietnamese basket weaving forum full of glowies and basedteens.The Internet is an echo chamber.
>>41998474>there's a logical explanation behind our sufferingYeah it's called having unfortunate mental health issues, which is usually the case for people who incorrectly get convinced they're "transgender" by abusive doctors and health "professionals" as a way to "cure" them, when the real cure is mental help, and not sterilizing drugs or surgeries.But you would never admit that of course, because you're just as crooked and abusive as modern health "professionals"
>>41996680Define "identifying as a woman" define "perceiving onesself as a woman" then demonstrate that doing both of these things is meaningless.
>>41996650"Anti-trans rhetoric" is based on the factual repulsion I feel when I look at (You), OP
>>41998227>billboard chrisThe pedophile transvestite hated by most gcs? Bait or mental retardation?
>>41998498>mental helpIn the tranny seethers mind, being pumped full of SSRIs being electroshocked lobotomized and gaslit about your life is better than the ebil transition
>>41998595>being pumped full of SSRIs being electroshocked lobotomized and gaslit about your lifealso not the cure.Try again, disingenuous retard
>>41998585>The pedophile transvestite hated by most gcs?Are you talking about yourself, or are you just completely oblivious to who Billboard Chris is?
>>41998651I know about how LGB Alliance made a post about him distancing themselves from himand calling him a creepy retard
>>41998651also a "tra psyop trying to make them look bad" geg couldnt forget about that>>41998630>also not the curethen what do you suggest, genius? These are basically all "treatments" suggested in place of gac
>>41998651no response for that >>42000560 mr intelligent?Also i cannot find anything about this "european parliament meeting". No news, no information on the website, nothing. All he does is show unrelated pictures and clip outs from several years ago (many being simple questions)thanks for sending this though, because now i know how much of this "wpath controversy" is bullshit>"ftm suffers liver cancer from le bad hormones" is actually "my ftm patient has liver cancer, it could be from the hormones but i don't know">"the did patients are being transgendered" - a mail asking questions as to how to proceed with such patients>"penis is just large clitoris" - an outdated srs surgeon trying to find advice as to how to proceed with youngshits (however i do find her quite stupid, as peritoneum should be the preferred option, considering its much better long term performance and comfort for the patient, although with harsher recovery process)
