>>42013350
Estrogen can save you from twink death at the cost of woman life. But you can be an HRT femboy.

What's your biggest issues regarding it?

>>42013373
I am scared of having breasts or being treated differently

>>42013389
SERMs can reduce breast growth (but not stop it altogether).

What scares you about being treated differently?

And what scares you most about twinkdeath?

>>42013405
>What scares you about being treated differently?
I like to be pretty much invisible which is how I am now and not threatening or something to threat
>And what scares you most about twinkdeath?
I don't want to be a hairy bear every time I see new body hair I feel like dying it makes me feel like shit and I don't know why I hate it so much but its just ew
>>42013439
IDC about tops I just want to be comfortable in how I look longer

>>42013469
So if you're already twinkish the former won't really change tbhon, especially if you boymode.

And that's fair. Body hair sucks. Easily my biggest source of neurosis on a day to day basis.

Start Finasteride or Dutasteride, I think. It'll help with hair and skin and then you can go from there.

>>42013469
You have to do soul searching because you have limited options.
>become hairy old man with barrel chest/go bald/etc
>starve and try to retain a thin physique at least
>grow boobs
>die early
If you're a cute twink then your transition will be really easy but you shouldn't make life changing medical decisions based on superficial things like appearances. If your appearance is all tied up in with your self confidence and personality (these are very feminine characteristics, pro-tip) then sure consider your appearance. For the rest just think "do I see myself happy as a older man?" "do I see myself happy as an older woman?" because you don't have bicentennial longevity do you

>>42013494
I am ON finasteride and hairs still appear its fucking OVER if I just stick on this only and I know it
>>42013539
>because you don't have bicentennial longevity do you
You cannot comprehend my master plan (suicide before 40). okay but forreal the idea of being a barrelchested hairy old man is more suicide inducing than anything else imaginable because I am admittedly vane but I don't see how that's feminine plenty of guys are vane like me

>>42013594
Okay then. Move on to Dutasteride. It's stronger.

But estrogen will do more ofc.

I didn't repress so much as nobody informed it was possible but yeah I got a lot of body hair and like A LOT let me tell you that laser fucking hurts if it works at all
Hair is basically my only problem though even though it's a huge problem

>>42013619
I don't get iiitttttt
>>42013635
but will it guarantee the hair would stop appearing everywhere its reallly bothering me
>>42013652
Thats why I want to deal with it before it gets out of control

>>42013702
Dutasteride is much, much, much more effective than Finasteride. I started it a few weeks ago and body hair grows more slowly, is less coarse, and is lighter in coloration.

You can also treat body hair via epilation and IPL.

I can't offer much more specific advice for you since my twinkdeath was at 15 and I trooned out at 25.

>>42013724
technically IPL is supposed to remove blemishes and a real hair removal laser is more real hair removal but people just wanting to sell more lasers don't really care why you're buying it, just that you do

>>42013724
Thanks for the advice you've given anyways I just feel kind of rushed and if I don't do the right thing now I will really reget it

>>42013763
IPL does reduce hair growth as well on darker hairs. It's not as effective as laser, obviously, but it's cheaper and home IPL devices are good.

>>42013770
HRT has a short list of unfortunate downsides but most are mitigated with careful medical attention. Breasts aren't a downside imo. If you really hate your boobs then surgery is available BUT you might roll for some sweet tiny tits you never know

>>42013770
How old are you?

>>42013814
>BUT you might roll for some sweet tiny tits you never know
That would be nice I think I could live with it IDK if I want to roll the dice yet but yeah
>>42013816
19

>>42013350
Women dont age.

>>42013896
I'd give it a try tbhon. If you grow tits and don't like it, would you be comfortable getting a mastectomy?

Also are you fine with all of the other effects of estrogen?

>>42013928
IM not saying that but it seems less dramatic appearance wise
>>42013947
I don't about a masectomy if I had the money I guess it'd be fine if a doctor would do it on a man
>Also are you fine with all of the other effects of estrogen
like what

>>42013969
Softer skin, reduced muscle mass, fat distribution around thighs, shrinkage in feet and hands, erectile dysfunction, low fertility, lower energy, colder extremities, body odor changes, lower basal metabolic rate, etc.

https://genderdysphoria.fyi/en/second-puberty-fem

>>42014009
the way you know that youre mtf is if you look at those and go "those are side effects?"

>>42014016
Running colder fucking sucks btw. Shittiest part of transition outside of my weird health issues.

>>42014009
None of that seems too bad but shrinking feet would suck its already hard for me to find shoes sometimes as it is because they are small

>>42014024
this makes sense
I know ovaries will increase your heat factor but the sensation of "cold" itself is heat leaving your body, and the more delicate skin lends itself to that sensation

>>42014047
Women's shoes come in smaller sizes btw. What's your shoe size?

>>42014191
Part of it is that testosterone is a vasodilator so without it you have less blood flow to your skin.

>>42014347
I don't want to wear womens shoes it would feel weird
>What's your shoe size?
mens 6US/39EU

>>42014419
Holy shit your feet are tiny. How tall are you?

You might have PAIS or something.

>>42013350
No. You can either age like a woman or a man, both push you further away from 'twink' at the same pace. At some point you have to choose

>>42013350
yes but only for a little bit, and then it'll cause it anyway by turning you into a woman

>>42014419
>6 us
I don't want to say "take pills and get a husband" but you literally can congrats Stacy

>>42014534
I am 5'5 kind of small but not too small
>>42014561
>>42014572
This world kinda sucks
>>42014578
If only, maybe I would feel less worried taking estrogen if I could know that Id get a husband for it

>>42013350
no, but fear not - i know some genuinely lovely femgays that look VERY good well into their thirties and have a lot of cisf friends. their boyfriends / husbands are very supportive, so it isn't as bad as this board makes it out to be really.
just don't let yourself go

as you have correctly found out, estrogen will give you breasts and your penis will stop functioning - that's not really so much fun
>t. detroon

>>42014624
You sound like a future passoid. Like, you would almost 100% find a husband. What's your body type like now?

>>42014663
Anon I can literally see myself turning into a bear all fuzzy and disgusting and it is suicide inducing I started sobbing and bit my arm and drew blood over it like a dumb retard because it is so distressing I don't want to be a fuzzy bear I don't want to have to pull it out over and over while it makes me go insane it will make me mad its so bad already I can t stand it
>>42014677
I am kind of a stick right now I haven't taken care of myself and neglected eating too long

>>42014750
well if you do start E make sure and gain weight so you grow some big fukn titties lol
mmmmmmmmm
[spoiler]most cis women don't even care for their own breasts that much FYI[/spoiler]

>>42014750
Okay this really sounds like you should see a professional. If this isn't severe dysphoria, then it's at least something you need help with.

>>42014778
Breasts always looked like a burden to me
>>42014789
I dont want to go back into a mental hospital

>>42014750
>Anon I can literally see myself turning into a bear all fuzzy and disgusting and it is suicide inducing I started sobbing and bit my arm and drew blood over it like a dumb retard because it is so distressing I don't want to be a fuzzy bear I don't want to have to pull it out over and over while it makes me go insane it will make me mad its so bad already I can t stand it
oookay girl! i take everything back, you should get on e asap and never look back
jeezus... please stop being a giga-retard

>>42014850
I meant like, a normal therapist. Or maybe a gender specialist.

>>42013350
just take t blockers and microdose estrogen??? why has no one said this, you should be on blockers no matter what because you dont want to start getting manly

>>42015112
That's how you get menopause

>>42015032
Im sorry I can't help it sometimes
>>42015044
I just don't want to be detained again
>>42015112
is this really possible

>>42015229
What happened before?

Low T and low E can lead to menopause. It suuuucks.

>>42015263
>What happened before
I stupidly answered honestly when a doctor asked if I had a suicide plan
>Low T and low E can lead to menopause. It suuuucks
no winning for me ever ever ever...

>>42015399
I do think you should give it a shot. Where are you located? Starting HRT is easy and basically everything except breast growth is reversible.

>>42015444
I am American I am going to think about it for awhile more it is scary

>>42015597
Okay. It's easy to start HRT in America, both officially and via DIY. Definitely think about it some more.

>>42013350
Dont do it!! You'll be a weirdo with tits and every week when you take your shot you'll wonder at what point are you going to just learn to be okay with aging like a gross man

>>42015691
They're already HSTS coded tbhon.

>>42015705
it doesnt matterrrrrrr none of that is reeeaaallll. its not easy being a transmed freak. you actually have to have some kind of physiological disturbance to actually seek out doing this and be comfortable with it long term.

>>42013439
>tranny
>homophobic
tale as old as time desu

>>42015741
>Anon describes experiencing a major disturbance

>>42015755
twinks are cute but I suspect the people who focus on them are usually just have a "younger the better" mentality which is a step away from Moe "Cartographer" Lester.
plenty of gay men are fine but if you're not attracted to feminine characteristics and you're not attracted to masculine characteristics then what are you attracted to? androgyny? or youth? Society shouldn't encourage predating on the young

im another twink, 2 years into twink death
i still look cute with the right lighting, but with bad lighting i only look mildly cute, but less like a twink and more like an average adult guy
i already decided to roll the dices, what can i expect? only care about getting my face back btw, im 24

>>42016150
Check the link posted previously.

HRT does a lot.

>>42016197
already checked it hundreds of times, i want to know how much i will get of my face back

>>42016225
i know i will look femme, but will it look good under every light conditions as 2 years ago?

>>42016245
No clue tbhon. My twinkdeath happened early in life.

>>42016225
I don't think anyone could really tell you.

>>42016259
>>42016282
the biggest problem has been lots of big pores and skin getting less tight in the area of nasolabial folds, otherwise my face is pretty much the same, just an unnoticeable loss of fat (almost nothing), and my lips are considerably more plumpy for some reason. my parents both got folds into their 40s
my diet is shit too, basically cookies and milk almost everyday, sometimes some fruit, and a little of meat on the weekends. hard to fix because i just work and rest at this point. also im pale because of no sun, so definitely low in vitamin d. only took supplements (D+K) this year till last month
maybe all this info can help someone make a guess

>>42016549
Any 5ARD blockers like Fin?

I mean estrogen should noticeably deage you a bit. I started getting carded again on it.

>>42016579
no, afaik only estrogen + minoxidil are enough so thats my plan. my hairline is pretty good tho but im greedy

>>42016620
I'd recommend Dutasteride as well just in case.

>>42016637
thats my plan b, if estrogen doest lower DHT enough i will add either fin or dut

>>42016666
Dut > Fin imo.

>>42015122
>>42015263
>you can’t do this because you will get menopause
>as if menopause isn’t something billions of cis women deal with

>>42013350
Just start hrt.
I also started hrt to avoid twink death and didn't want boobs. But ended up fully transing and now live completely in stealth.

I'm 99% sure you are trans, just scared unconsciously to accept it. But estrogen will heal your brain and you are gonna fell into transing very easily.

Just don't play with SERMs. They have bad possible complications.
In any way, you will only get puffy nipples from estrogen for the first 3-9 months. So, don't worry about it too much.

>>42016724
Menopause is twinkdeath+ and cis women often take HRT to prevent it because it sucks

>>42016700
i read somewhere that its better to try fin first, then dut if fin doesnt work. transicarus i guess

>>42016783
Not OP, just another twink with a question: am I trans if my biggest concern with hrt is the risk of malefailing?

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>>42016150
>24
>2 years into twink death
Brutal, and same here

>>42013469
>i dont wanna be a bear
If you take dutasteride and nuke your dht you will not become ultrahairy or bald so just take that plus minoxidil instead of doing full feminization

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>>42013350
>>42013389
Are you scared of growing breasts or are you scared of people noticing you growing breasts?

>>42017261
Estrogen, collagen, Olay regenerist, facial posture discipline

>>42017261
i hope you at least enjoyed anything. all i got was dating the hottest girl around for a while, tho we never got laid. then bedrotting til last year when my looks faded enough to get me scared, now im trying to save whatever i can and actually use it

a tip to prevent folds is sleeping on your back, or use a special kind of pillow if you don’t. but afaik the only way is having the best skin you can. eating healthy, sleep, skincare and so on. i guess the best tip is to be as healthy as possible

i saw one tgirl lose them on hrt, although the area still wasnt perfectly smooth like mine. but hers were kinda hopeless, so im sure estrogen helped. thats just one case tho

>>42013389
>>42017855
DONT DO IT
ITS NOT WORTH IT

>>42017989
even if i want them and am just scared of people noticing them?

>>42018009
I was the same way. Actually going through with it wont make that feeling subside. Youre just going to feel more daily anxiety than you already do.

>>42017989
stfu and keep your brainworms away from others

>your dating pool is reduced to bisexuals and chasers
>you will experience a lifetime of insecurity and constantly compare yourself to cis women
>your political rights and future a constant subject of debate and likely will be for the next +20 years
>never mind the whole slew of extra issues that come from height, bone structure, body fat distribution, breast development, socially transitioning, your dating/sex life, infertility, bottom surgery, etc.

yeah... being trans sure is fun... haha... ha...

>>42018031
but i really want them. i dont want to die without experiencing having them. the only problem is that society sucks

>>42018031
>>42017989
trvke
get laser, work out, skin care, good diet, be fem, get bf, fin&min
I know I sound like a shartyfag but it's genuinely possible to age gracefully without taking estrogen.
Think about it like this: at some point, you will have to start wearing a bra every. day.
do you want that? they are uncomfortable, they are noticeable.
swimming? goodbye
tight clothes? goodbye
shirtless? goodbye
consider this carefully

>>42018060
im a femboy and i get no bitches anyways, so might as well do whatever i want because i already lost

>>42018078
> gets top surgery with no scars

>>42018078
>Think about it like this: at some point, you will have to start wearing a bra every. day.
>do you want that? they are uncomfortable, they are noticeable.
>swimming? goodbye
>tight clothes? goodbye
>shirtless? goodbye
exactly. i miss being more carefree about that stuff.

growing up, i refused to take my shirt off infront of people, and now I never can even if i wanted to! and explaining it to future partners is even more anxiety inducing.

>>42018124
don't groom, please

>>42018130
get off e btw
it's gonna get better about six weeks in, they deflate a bit

>>42018184
I've been doing it for almost 2 years

>>42018204
sunk cost fallacy

>>42018009
so do you want breasts or not? if you could get away with growing breasts and nobody noticing, would you do it?

>>42018291
absolutely

>>42018291
>if you could get away with growing breasts and nobody noticing
stop. grooming.

>>42018324
>If you could fuck men and get away with it, would you?
>"Groomer alert! Groomer alert!"

>>42018320
thought so…
you can do what the FTMs do to hide them. sports bras, binders, binding tape ect.
>>42018324
3 replies to a public thread is not grooming. they clearly had these thoughts prior to this thread. go back to the sharty

>>42018222
yes but I'm not in denial about it. i took the risk and now i pay the price! i don't recommend others doing the same

>>42018375
you can fuck men on the DL
but you cannot grow breasts on your torso without people noticing them, especially if you ever want to wear anything else than oversized clothing again without a binder
it's just not comparable man

>>42018385
>you can do what the FTMs do to hide them. sports bras, binders, binding tape ect.
aka
>you can just induce reverse gender dypshoria
you're pinkpilling you pos

>>42018385
yes thats my plan. and breast reduction if they grow too much. btw im not op, just making clear

>>42018408
ive been hiding my breasts for several years now. the right kind if sports bras works great. i only use binding tape when i need to. (usually wheb its super hot) hoodies famously help when you dont want to do either but is more suited for cold weather.
>>42018408
>>42018430
also samefag

>>42018473
but anon, there is no need to do any of this at all
op can just get on a regimen of min&dut, get laser if he wants and stay healthy
you're proposing a solution to a problem which doesn't need to exist in the first place

>>42018473
any ways to wear sleeveless shirts?

>>42018535
op proposed their own solution
stop being a closet chud
>>42018555
binding tape aka sports tape
also they sell clothing on amazon with binders sown in underneath. i have two tank tops with a binder sown into it

damn, the discord must be rabid over this freshly cracked egg
don't do it OP

how come trannies care so much about what other people do with their gender identities, but the moment someone questions them and their gender identity, they go fucking ballistic?

>>42018642
>>42018663
Go back to the reservation
Your cover is blown

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>>42018663
>how come trannies care so much about what other people do with their gender identities, but the moment someone questions them and their gender identity, they go fucking ballistic?

>>42018680
>>42018733
>random twink: "maybe i wanna transition lol idk :3"
>-gets swarmed by +100 desperate pinkpilling troons encouraging them to transition-

>random tourist: "are trannies really women? like can't you just be happy as the feminine faggoty gay men that you know you truly are?"
>trannies: "TROLL, CHUD, CHASER, GET OFF OUR BOARD!"

you guys are a whole ass tribe full of hypocrites

Op here I think I'm going to do it I dont know what else I would do otherwise and I think I can just hide the breasts and be happy and fine so it shouldnt be too bad

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goodbye bro
take care

>>42018836
The opening of this thread was people giving OP advice on things to try other than estrogen you dumbfuck

>>42019439
why are you acting like Im dying Ill be fine just fine I don't need F's

>>42019652
because I was in your position once and made the same decision
if it's 'for you', you'll end up a woman
you'll stay on e, week after week. You'll see that you have breasts, when you look in the mirror. You will stand there and look yourself in the eyes and something will 'feel off' - or 'feel right' I guess.
You'll probably go without a bra for as long as you can. I did it too, until one time a guy just randomly grabbed my 'breasts'.
After that I realised I have to start wearing a bra now and then it's just kinda
>Yeah, well that's REALLY not something a guy would just do on the out and about every day
So more and more you start questioning what you really are... Non-binary, trans woman, boymoder, hrtrepper, all of these words just float around in your head all the time - and I tried to make sense of it.
In the end, I decided I'd rather just cut my losses and go be a gay dude.
But for you, I think you will become a woman. In a few years maybe... It's a long road.
Don't cut, don't facefag. Try to get a partner as soon as possible if you don't already have one.
Good luck anon!

>>42018836
lmfao even the chud's attempt to make a "random tourist" sounds reasonable is deranged bigoted shit

>>42019414
we've literally told you you can fin/dut+minox plus healthyness and live without turning into an ugly hairy bear but ok you can also do that

>>42019414
ok just make sure you actually hide them, if you think they might be noticeable, they’re noticeable. I’ve read too many stories of trans girls who thought that simply wearing baggy clothes was enough.

>>42019726
>But for you, I think you will become a woman. In a few years maybe... It's a long road.
IDK where youre getting that but okay, did you get a masectomy or anything for the breasts
>>42019730
FIN isn't doing anything about the body hair already!!!!!!!!!!!
>>42019750
could I bind them early to stop growth maybe entirely?

>>42019858
>IDK where youre getting that but okay, did you get a masectomy or anything for the breasts
I'm getting that by inferring MtF detransition rates. Chances are just higher you'll troon out some day.
No, I did not get a mastectomy (yet), I'm hoping I won't have to. The summers gonna be rough tho...
>could I bind them early to stop growth maybe entirely?
this mindset will bring you nothing but despair

>>42019858
>FIN isn't doing anything about the body hair already!!!!!!!!!!!
look anon. fin only blocks one of the enzymes that dht attaches to to give you ogre hair. dutasteride is the far stronger medicine for this, some people even take both together. that plus laser solves your problem basically.