I don't know what gender ideology is. I just hate being a boy so I took hormones about it
Gender ideology is the concept that a male can say he is a woman and that makes him a woman because there are sociocultural aspects to womanhood and manhood and that these override biological reality somehow. Also this mandatory state enforced dogma and retarded foids with arts degrees will start teaching your child about this at age 5.
>>42043055moral panic and political talking point to use queers as a bargaining chip between 2 or more of identical parliamentary parties>>42043068you need to go back
>>42043068you believe that the universe got so mad at a woman eating a fruit that it needed to invent a jewish zombie wizard to sacrifice itself to itself so it wouldn’t have to torture everyone forever and now we can’t have premarital sex
the belief that castrating men can render them visually indistinguishable from women to everyone around them
>>42043104thats about how it happened, yes
>>42043068Okay well that's stupid and not what I believe. My biology is the source of my dysphoria which is the whole reason I'm taking hormones to change it. I don't care about sociocultural whatevers
>>42043108The other guy >>42043055 said it was a different thing so at least one of these is wrong.
>>42043117gender roles are the source of what you call dysphoriaif men and women could look and act however they pleased without facing social coldness for doing so, you wouldn't want a different body than your assigned genetic onehaving ocd over gender roles being too strict to the point where it mentally breaks you and you. join in on the normative parade and enforce them with your own conformist behavior fails to actually make you look or act like an actual womantrans women are men pretending to be women
>>42043123its boththe female soul in a male body belief is a cope to justify the castration the male aspects of the castrated man are downplayed and minimized with selective photography and sort of like a dogpiling effect where people shame you for not saying its a woman or looks like a woman even if you are just noticing his male features innocently
>>42043124this is just completely wrong, though you are probably aware of that
>>42043136logic means being able to articulate your viewpoints using carefully chosen, well articulated combinations of words meant to convey complex meaning and thought
>>42043124like half the time its entirely a physicallity thing though, in mannerisms and im just one of the boys (albiet the gay one) and i dislike certain aspects of my body and this isn't even an uncommon situation. A lot of us just take HRT and don't even do the social transition part and think its a nice improvement.
>>42043104I'm an atheist, i don't believe in mystical creatures or magical powers like turning into a woman by declaring yourself to be a woman, that's just absurd. In fact I think they should remove religion and other magical thinking like gender ideology completely from schooling. They certainly shouldn't be sending drag queen transvestites around to explain how you can chop your cock off and order exogenous bathtub hormones brewed in favela in Brazil from the internet using your parents debit card and become a woman to 5 year old children. That would be a fever dream farce of society ready for imminent implosion.
>>42043055Whats woke mean? It used to just mean a black guy who believed in conspiracy theories. I cant believe it caught on
>>42043141ok, but logic only works if your information is accurate. You just assume certain things about how trannies work which are not true, so the logical conclusion that leads to is also not true by extension, so its a garbage in garbage out type of situation
>>42043151>ignoring the substance of my argument wholly and refusing to engage with any of my pointsbecause you know you would losenow call me namesyou have nothing
>>42043124>if men and women could look and act however they pleased without facing social coldness for doing so, you wouldn't want a different body than your assigned genetic oneOkay. This doesn't change the fact that taking hormones got rid of my constant desire to kill myself that had been present since i was like 13.
>>42043143i think you’re addicted to getting mad at the computer
>>42043163nta. your assumption, which is the basis of your argument, that i transitioned because of "gender roles" is just entirely incorrect. you do not understand us. i'd talk to you, if you'd like to, but forgive me for feeling that would be a waste of time
>>42043169I can see the rivers of blood that is rapidly approaching
>>42043173men are not allowed to be feminineyou view womanhood as the only acceptable vehicle/mode from which you can convey behavioral femininity without offending others
>>42043124no problem with the "male social role", none at all, in fact i might prefer itnow, the physicality of being a male, this is something that makes me utterly completely disgusted, i feel like im wearing the skin of somebody else
>>42043178Being trans offends like so many others that they're trying to make it illegal in various places now
this might've been a disguised bait thread tbhoneither way it dragged shartyfags and gincels insage this shit
>>42043176oh yeah i mean they’re coming. but trans people aren’t the reason why.
>>42043185being trans offends some people less than being outwardly openly assertively gender non conforming doestrans people are submissive and castrated and mostly obey gender roles without protest
>>42043143Taking hormones to develop female sex characteristics and declaring myself a woman isn't really an ideology though. It's more just something I've done. Feel however you want about that but I'm not doing any of it to comply with some sort of ideology I hold. I'm doing it because it makes me happy.
>>42043178Refer to>>42043142You are just assuming trannies work in a way in which they do not, your reasoning would be simple albeit correct if your idea of how we work were correct, but correct reasoning means nothing if what it is based on is incorrect, and your idea of how trannies work is incorrect.
>>42043193I would rather be a masculine woman than a feminine man because I actually want to be a woman
>>42043194it is when you equate a castrated male to a woman socially
>>42043193when i just make things up
>>42043189im a frogposter actually
>>42043208"Socially" we all know u are not social
>>42043178see, we aren't having a conversation; you are telling me what you "believe" (doubtful), with no foundation to the words. i actually don't want to talk because i've done this too many times and have better things to do, but for the record, i transitioned because i wanted a female body. i am, today, nonbinary. "gender roles" have literally less than nothing to do with my transition, although i do live as a woman because that is how i appear to the world and there's no point in my fighting that if i'm happier in my body. in the future, when it is safer for me, i will be presenting more androgynously, however.
>>42043208What the fuck does this mean
>>42043215you don't have a female body and estrogen does not give a man a female bodyyou have male outlines to your bones that remain when you are viewed without treachery men are not allowed to be feminineyou think only people socially coded as women are allowed to act and look feminine
>>42043189i almost linked >>41954674 in my first post i feel sort of silly for not having done that. this is a sinking ship and you are correct whether it really was disguised bait or not
>>42043224Why do you spend so much time online talking to trannies on the tranny board anon? U a faggot?
>>42043224>you don't have a female body and estrogen does not give a man a female body>you have male outlines to your bones that remain when you are viewed without treacheryI'm confused what's this got to do with holding any sort of ideology? I take the hormones cuz I like the changes they give me. That's it.
>>42043242you believe castration makes men look identical to females, but you never actually prove that beyond a reasonable doubt
>>42043224are you a fucking bot? You have all the charisma and intelligence of a demented retard
>>42043249>you believesorry man but youre not a psychic and cant put thoughts in our headsthats just not it
>>42043249No but I believe that after years on hormones my reflection makes me happy instead of sad
>>42043249This isn't a courtroom dipshit, and if it was you haven't even addressed why so many people choose to manmode which kind of ruins your entire argument. Just fucking give it up already holy shit.
>>42043249"You think about cock a lot huh? Yes lets all have a phylisophical conversation about mmmmh cock. Lets get all the trannies to talk about and justify ....cockk. BUT only becouse they ARNT WOMEN haha owned. Im not done tho so please keep talking to me"
>>42043256so you agree that all xy humans have some visually identifiable male traits, as I believe?
>>42043262trans women are men and look male in every single instancemen in dresses are not, and never will be women or female, socially or in any other capacity
>>42043194It is when you have an entire academic and education apparatus dedicated to spreading and an entire industry and or government backed "healthcare" dedicate to facilitating your choice. You can pretend you live on an island and make decisions in a vacuum if you please, the reality of gender ideology makes itself apparent when a five year old comes home and tells their parents a drag queen read them a story about the boy who chopped his cock off and became a magical woman. There is a quiet, seething fury building against this nonsense - people are beginning to think they live in a circus and are checking out of operating within the confines of tolerant liberal moderation. You and the activists of your movement pushed way to hard way to fast. Trump and the Trumpite euro clones are only the opening salvo.
>>42043264Yeah sure, that's the first thing you have to learn as a tranny. You don't even know what you are arguing with your just like "huuuuur heres why this thing no tranny actually believes is stupid, stupid trannies".
>>42043278I wouldn't even be mad if this captain obvious type bullshit wasn't used as justification to harass us.
>>42043264"Mmmm i can ALWAYS TELL if a woman had a COCK its so obvious i look at everyones bulge to see if theres a COCK there just to be safe. And DONT >:( CUT IT OFF why would you not want your COCK??? ITS THE BEST PART"
>>42043289there are far more recognizable features to a man than a cock your skull is fucking gigantic
>>42043293yeah no fucking shit, thats why its gender *dysphoria*
>>42043293"I love EVERY PART of the male body!! Not just the COCK oh please would someone put their male body against me in so lonely"
hey friends can we jump ship already
>>42043302im so bored though, im pretty sure hiro puts these bots on his site just to give us all something to do
>>42043273>government backed "healthcare" I'm American my healthcare is paid for by insurance.
>>42043299its always ok to be male and look male and act male everyone is an immutable combination of masculine and feminine traits
>>42043308gee thanks I sure haven't tried that for most of my life or anything
>push endless hatred against whites especially white men for a decade>advocate for discriminating against white people especially white men in employment, education, welfare and healthcare>lobby corporations to destroy the lives of anyone that has a disagreement with transgender ideology>shoehorn trannies into ever single piece of new media and art>demand previous pieces of art or media are rewritten to include trannies and censor white people out of it>advocate violence against anyone that has a disagreement transgender ideology >mandatory they / them transgender pledge's of allegiance in workplaces >mandatory tranny lessons for your child starting in kindergarten >drag shows in schools because ?????>straight people that don't want to suck dick are transphobic and literally deserve to go to prison at a minimum or otherwise be lynched >allied with a political coalition that hates white people, hates white nations, hates white culture and history and floods the first world with illegal migrants that destroy the standard of living for everyone >gloat about the destruction of white nations, the only nations you aren't killed, lobotomized or forced to work as a sex slave whore >wonder why white people, the only people that have ever had any semblance of tolerance for trannies now hate you
>>42043306eeeeeeegh....i guess this thread is not the worst place for it to happen but if you know it's a bot (and i'm inclined to believe the same) why bother talking? the whole point of conversation is to exchange thoughts but yours are being completely lost to the void because it cannot learn or understand you
>>42043314for the 67th fucking time, it wasn't the trannies who did all that it was the jews
>>42043315idk, it might be a person, it might not be. The possiblity that it is a person is enough to keep it entertaining ig, probably by design
>>42043308So gender ideology is when you believe that hormones do anything to change the human body>>42043314I didn't do any of these things sorry that happened to you or whatever
>>42043337when you believe hormones not only FEMINIZE but specifically have the possibility of making a genetic male look IDENTICAL to a female
>>42043341I mean some people do pass well enough no one can tell, others don't. It's a crapshoot based on genetics, why are you so fixated on this?
>>42043341Possibly in some cases especially for those lucky enough to start before experiencing a male puberty. Not all of us can be so fortunate though. Doesn't really matter though because I'll take the changes I got over my old, pre-transitioned state any day.
>>42043341You believe fucking a mans tiny asshole makes you gay. But in reality there are no gays. There are only masculine women. If you fucked a man in the ass you made him ur woman. U are now responsible for her welfare. U perpetuated the welfare state and tranny ideology all because u cant control urself around COCK now u come to the tranny board to argue ur case but don't realize u are only here because this is where u belong now
>>42043320Unfortunately for you everyone remembers what social media and the broader cultural industry was like, they recall hordes of deranged transvestites acting as a grassroots gestapo ruining peoples lives for an off colour joke posted 10 years prior, they recall hordes of deranged negroids torching the US because a fentanyl addict with covid swallowed his stash and ODed after trying to defraud a business with counterfeit money and transvestites clapped like seals for the carnage, they recall the import of hundreds of millions of illiterate middle eastern peasants that proceeded to ram cars down busy sidewalks and the trannies that ran cover for this blood soaked operation. I wonder if they will forget?
>>42043370>ruining peoples lives for an off colour joke posted 10 years priorCan you provide any examples?
>>42043348>I mean some people do pass well enough no one can tellideologyyou cannot prove this beyond a reasonable doubt
>>42043370i can tell your mad but genuinely this place is the last place to find people who caused all of that, i was just like you 3 years ago anyways and i still sympathize with your position somewhat
>>42043388see? I got the hitler dubs, this is a sign from his spirit that you should listen to me
>>42043387Why would someone who only went through female puberty look male? Exposure to testosterone during male puberty is what causes one to develop a masuline bone structure.
>>42043403chromosomes coded for male shaped structures and male behavioranother way to code transgender ideology is the belief that chromosomes cannot act independently of hormones to masculinize
>>42043412You need to prove you are a human to me right now, this is getting out of hand
>>42043370>I wonder if they will forget?They will forget the tranny part once bans are in for minors and if we can keep transvestites from being cretins with institutional support. A bit of both has already happened.Here in Europe we as trannies are safer in large part because we kept the crazies in check a little bit better.You're right about the rest though. And I hope people don't forget. Here in Europe they can't anyway because the illiterate middle eastern peasants are everywhere.It's why I stay away from queer spaces. Way too many cretins. I signed up to be a woman not to support gigacommunism and mass immigration from cultures that want to throw me off from buildings.
>>42043424how could a robot solve captchashow could a robot solve captchashow could a robot solve captchas
>>42043403Why would a cis man think of this so much? Probably a troon. Sorry the bone pill hurt u so much anon but it's not that serious. If she can be pretty u can too <3
>>42043434Say something completely out of pocket that a robot could not think of.
>>42043443the pressure wave consisting of the African plate colliding into North America largely ended at the thousand mile long sandstone escarpment known variously depending on northern/southern alignment as the cumberland or allegheny front
>>42043412>chromosomes cannot act independently of hormones to masculinizeThey don't. The SRY gene on the Y chromosome is only responsible for the development of male sex organs (penis and testicles, instead of ovaries and a vagina). The other sex differences come from hormones.
>>42043443Traumatic insemination (TI) is a mating strategy where the male pierces the female's body wall with his genitalia to inject sperm into her body cavity. It's a rare but widespread practice in invertebrates, and bed bugs are the most well-known example.
>>42043451neatoOk but that does actually mean you are a human, you really need to do better then, why are you on the internet arguing with a bunch of trannies about the one thing they know better than you about?
>>42043455nta but hormones are only one way of regulating development.
>>42043472pray tell
>>42043480https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signal_transduction
>>42043178>you only want to be a woman because of societyso? tf am i supposed to do about that?
>>42043521What's this got to do with sexual development?
>>42043055Same, I didn't even know what gender was till puberty hit me let alone care what the hell gender ideology is, I just want to live the life I wanted which included being a women lol
>>42043549Yeah as a kid I would pray every night to god to turn my into a girl I'm not doing this cuz of any ideology
>>42043540I dunno
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>>42043068That's a good definition. And I think gender ideology is retarded. For an mtf it's much more sane to say "sure, yes i'm technically a boy but so much unlike (mentally and physically and in everyday perceptions of people) the standard boy that it makes really no practical sense for society to treat me as one if you have any moderate courtesy and tolerance for difference" than to claim "I'm as WOMAN as any cis woman, always been, and to say anything else is bigotry".Gender ideology is the radical gigahon caricature view, proper trans integration to society is impossible with it. But it's also a caricature used by the right.
>>42043568For me it was a sudden realisation of horror as soon as I realise what puberty actually was... I was pretty ignorant since I wasn't really all there as a kid, abuse and violence really affects you when you're that young so I don't really remember that much, though I did knew I always liked men even back then, I wish I at least had someone back then to tell me what was happening or heck, what the hell puberty even was before it startedTL;DR: The hell does gender ideology got to do with being trans?
