how the fuck does being nonbinary work? i don't have anything against them as individuals nor do i believe in forcing them to "pick a side", but it just doesn't seem to have a logical explanation in my mind. i agree that "man" and "woman" are social contructs, but they have widely accepted traits and norms that make it easy to understand wanting to trade one set of social rules for the other. to me being nonbinary just comes across as mentally ill and/or egocentric because it reads as a desire to reject all expectations for both genders and differentiate oneself from everyone else with a special unique never-seen-before genderif you're nb feel free to explain why it feels right to you compared to transitioning to male/female or being gnc, i mostly just want to understand it better
>>42045608idk abt others but i feel a lot of dysphoria being seen as a man but dont feel a huge draw to be seen as a woman
>>42045608i dont feel like a man but i dont fully feel like a woman as well. idk, maybe im enbycoping but i feel like i have nothing common with cishet men. dont also feel like a woman inside so ig im somewhere in the middle
>>42045608Sometimes i feel like im nonbinary rather than a trans woman. Like my gender is transfemme, or demigirl, or whatever that might beLike sometimes I dont feel like a woman but I despair in being a man, and know im not a man, so I cling onto my "transness" as my gender. Id call that nonbinary but that feels like its toeing some transphobic lines of thought, so to be clear, i imagine its more like being a crossdresser rather than being trans. CDs are still cis a lot of the time though so
>>42045608I think you're overthinking it and generalizing thingsI just don't really give a shit about labels and define things differently. I take hormones, so I'm not cis, but I don't want to live as a woman, so I'm not transgender in the traditional sense. So I guess the next closest label nb even though i don't really identify as nb in my daily life, because it's not really worth trying to explain to everyone my own weird personal interpretation of things. To my friends I might give a more detailed explanation, but i don't really put much stock into my gender "identity" because it is simply not that important to me. Being seen as a "man" or "woman" or "bullshit unique gender identity" is about as important in my daily life as which spoon I pick from my drawer to eat my cereal
>>42045608idk how else to describe it logically, besides just internalizing social constructs are social constructs and letting the implications of that play out naturally within myself. and once i realized they never served anyone's purposes except upholding a certain predictability and comfort, it just sorta followed that, meh, i don't have to care, i won't, and it actually ended up feeling more comfortable personally to exist like that. nonbinary kinda followed from that naturallyas for all of the widely accepted traits and norms you mention, they feel gross and uncomfortable being applied unilaterally to me. it ends up being less about trading one social contract for another, because i just don't like either of them to begin with. being ambiguous and other creates a feedback loop within myself that i don't quite get when i larp as manly, or think about fully transitioning and taking up the accepted role and traits of woman entirely. that sentence approaches egocentric maybe, as being distinct and separate kinda invites the conclusion that it's just to feel unique or better or whatever else from those who have no internal dispute or problem performing the contract. but really, it just feels stifling and wrong to perform. and if gender is performance of social contract, then i don't feel i am one of those involved in it? i guessi have never really quite articulated all of this out loud nor in-depth to myself, so i'm sorry if it's a little vague
>>42045608It's autism over gender stereotypes. "I don't conform 100% to either male or female stereotypes, therefore I must be neither."
>>42045947very real response>>42045608same for me mostly as the anon i replied to above, i dont really "identify" as anything but i take estrogen/suppress T, im just some flavor of faggot, i dont really see myself as a man or as a woman tbhon, i dont really see myself as nb either tho, i just know i dont really slot into any particular label and i dont think it matters that muchirl people just call me he because thats easier than trying to have a specific identity/label
>>42045947and as poster from >>42045974 also this. at the end of the day it's some silly play to me to be man or woman or whatever else. again, social contracts, nothing i care about too deeply, just move on with my life, do what i wantwow the new captchas are annoying
>>42045608>how the fuck does being nonbinary work?well it all starts with narcissism. narcissism leads to attention seeking, and attention seeking leads to faketrannism."non-binary" isn't a real thing, people who claim to be non-binary most times aren't even gender non-conforming in any way. when the attention from putting "they/them/he/she/it/any/all" in their social media profile starts to wane, they either advance to pretending to being binary trans or finally stop pretending and start referring to their faketrannism as a phase, after months/years of calling real trans people "gatekeeping transphobic bigots" for telling them it was just that.
For me I want to transition but don't feel women enough
>>42045725>>42045947>>42045974>nothingburger womanbabbleExact reason why the majority AFAB enbies are just women-lite and AMABs are MtF-lite.
>>42046579Sure, whatever you want to believe is alright with me. I don't really care because your opinion on my identity genuinely means absolutely nothing to me
>>42046597>cared enough to reply while mentioning identityCase in point.
>>42045608They are agender. Which means no gender identity. While trans and cis are opposite. And even if you fall into one group all ain't gonna be same. And sometimes people who don't want gender roles enforced on them or trans people during transitioning or coping cause not passing etc.
>>42048190Yeah I really should have >inb4'd that exact line I knew a snot nosed little brat like you would say lol
>>42045608i don't personally think of my gender alignment as "never-seen-before", i think it's actually quite rooted in history and tradition even if most of said traditions have faded out by now (which i think is a shame and to the detriment of society)there have been established "person who isnt really man or woman" archetypes in various societies around the world for thousands of years serving various distinct social functions, i just see myself as part of that overarching tendency adapted to a new time & place. and honestly i think it's a better approach to gender variance than the way some trans ppl think you need to act as if there is (or should be) no difference whatsoever between trans & cis ppl of their respective gender beyond purely anatomical factors that should be spoken of as little as possible, which makes them value being "fembrained" or "malebrained" and subsuming themselves into their conceptions of male & female gender archetypes above all else, bc theres no established room in society for diverging from this dichotomy. but maybe im just faketransi don't really care at the end of the day i'm pretty much just mtf with a complex and people call me a woman and it's fine
>>42045947real post except for the spoon part that shit is important>>42045608i live as a woman in daily life bc that's how people see me but i do not really have any connection like spiritually/mentally/emotionally/??? to womanhood (or manhood) so i identify personally as enby. literally only my mom and fiancé know this though bc i don't really get to choose how people see me and i don't mind being a woman at all. it just doesn't feel, like, intrinsic to me or my sense of self, i guess. i'm just sort of me, but my vessel is a woman, lol. that sounds tumblr-edgy but i don't mean for it to be like that.
>>42045636pretty much this desu
