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>>42046956
Faggot type. Possible PAIS? Tendency to aromatize T into E at greater rates?

Iunno you should take a peek at your genetics. There's a few different causes of transsexuality.

>>42046956
sounded truetrans until
>still tried to "man up", the more I worked out and the more I dated girls, the more I hated myself/grew suicidal
you shoulda threatened suicide more or something. you were born late enough to be aware that transitioning was possible at 10 and still managed to fuck it up. sad.

get off of the website and go see an actual therapist

>>42046987
I don‘t really know… I don‘t think that? Like at the peak of my puberty my T was 5.4 ng/ml and my E was 30ng/ml… I was severely underweight before trooning so aromatasis unlikely happended to my twink body, especially with both levels being too "normal"… I didn‘t get over tanner stage 3-4 though by age of 21.5 (when trooning out)

>>42047013
Well, threatening suicide was never an option, had to much empathy for my parents, didn‘t want to disappoint them at all costs.

>>42047013
"Trutrans" vs "faketrans" based on personal history is mostly bullshit. Should be looking at genetics and health conditions.

Different people are under wildly different social pressures and experience things very differently. I'm only a few years older than OP and I didn't know actual medical transition was a thing outside of the ultra-rich until I was almost 18. Even if I had known earlier I was in such a shitty environment growing up that I probably still would have repped, since my first reaction to recognizing my dysphoria in a clear, conscious manner when I was 12-ish was to break down, pray, and cry myself to sleep.

>>42047034
The genetic factors behind it can alter aromatization in natal and prepubertal development, but we don't sound too different in terms of levels pre-HRT.

We're of similar types except I didn't fag out as early because lol growing up in an extremely religious environment.

>>42047075
Sorry I meant 30pg/ml ofccc

I don‘t know too much about the genetic side of things, my therapist psy-oped into believing "everyone can be trans"


Even though these believes are being challenged more and more every time O interact with "the community"

>>42047136
Will Powers, despite being kind of a hack, has a working theory on different types of trannies based on his medical observations of patients. It seems a lot more sensible than Blanchardism.

If you're like me, which, you could be, it's probably a combination of strong ESR1 receptors (which govern feminization), weak ESR2 receptors (which counteract ESR1), greater aromatization of T into E, and below average (but not quite PAIS levels) T reception.

Becoming a passoid so quickly points towards at least strong ESR1 receptors and not too much masculinization.

Any family history of hormonal conditions (PCOS, endometriosis, breast fibroids, etc.)? How fast did breast growth start for you?

>>42047196
I don‘t know much about my family‘s medical history, as they‘d deny anything about health issues (despite both grandfathers having died far before reaching average life expectancy in my country)

My breast growth is almost entirely made of glandular tissue equally distributed around my areola…
The fat almost exclusively went to my butt and hips and a bit of it into my lower belly. My boobs had growth boosts at 1 month in, 12 months in and especially at 16 months in, when I also got a bit of fat going there. They still seem to be sensitive and growing at 19-20 months in
Just the way they did, it doesn’t look like gyno and my nipples/areola doesn‘t behave weird, or saggy or anything really, just normal tanner stage 3 stuff in girl puberty

>>42047304
Gotcha. Any other rarities for your age in terms of transition (ex: pelvic growth)? Also, any notable health issues that were uncovered during puberty or transition?

>>42046956
Jewish

>>42047379
I had extreme phimosis and therefore had to get surgery, my tests were also behaving really weird and while they were bigger back then than they are now, my whole genital area looked underdeveloped compared to my "male peers"

I also had high blood pressure and heart rate before trooning, but that normalized with HRT after a year or so, despite doing less sport nowadays…

Speaking of sports, I never got like really muscular, even though I really tried in my hardest of repping phases and my body went back to womanly/athletic almost immediately (like when I look at other trannies and their muscle shrinkage, I kind of am confused why my muscles would have decreased faster even pre hrt, when I went back to flamer-moding)

>>42046956
AGP. Hating the prospect of becoming a man seals it.

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>>42047490
>>42046956

everyone knows HSTS (true trans (true women)) actually like the idea of becoming men

>>42047490
I never understood how that’s a logical conclusion when OP had hated the idea of becoming a man before sexualization and fetishization in early childhood

Anyways, other stuff sounds AGPish

>>42047525
Op here, thought the same, especially the AGP-ISH
>>42047523
That seems weird, I don‘t know any cis girl who wanted to grow up a man >>42047490
explain in detail

>>42047525
Early onset AGP exists and isn't sexual.at that stage.
Distress over having male sex characteristics or anticipating their future development is autoandrophobia, which is part of AGP.
There's nothing preventing someone with a late puberty from being AGP.

>>42047544
HSTS want to masculinize enough to make it as adult men. The ones who don't transition.
If you didn't want to masculinize then you're AGP regardless of how much you ended up masculinizing.

>>42047475
Oh, did you ever need anti androgens or did just a mild dose suppress your T to cisf ranges (my starting dose of 0.2mg/day patches did this)?

I also had phimosis (not severe enough to require surgery).

>>42046956
>bottomed for men, holy shit I loved that
There's a reason Blanchard gave receiving anal almost zero on the modified androphilia scale while giving receiving intercrural a much larger positive score.

>>42047552
It's almost like AGP is a shitty term invented by a weirdo creep that is used to marginalize a health issue. "Dysphoric" is a much better term.

>>42047567
Call it whatever you want. It's an erotic target location error, and yes, it can begin in platonic form in childhood.

>>42047565
Intercrural is so fucking good though.

>>42047552
According to this logic AGPs seem more fembrained than HSTS, despite I -due to outside factors- tried to masculinize really bad, it just didn‘t work out for me at all

>>42047545
I completely misunderstood the concept of AGP up until this point I believe, thanks for clarifying

>>42047577
I'm more inclined to trust modern medicine compared to poorly constructed pseudoscience tbhon

>>42047563
Didn‘t need them, also did patches at the beginning, doctors after the first blood test told me to give up androcur immediately when they saw my T was at 0.17 and it never has gotten over 0.34 ever, despite sometimes having forgotten my injections (to which I switched because the patches gave me a bit of a scratchy skin)

>>42046956
The third type is the true “boymoder” (i.e. wears casual clothes most of the time like a normal woman). The last type is a dark triad shapeshifting faggot narcissist who only “boymodes” because it’s “in” now and gets her the most attention on twitter. I hate those sluts and what’s worse is plastic surgery is falling out of style so I can’t even hope for the satisfaction of them getting bogged.

>>42047602
What was your starting dose? 0.1mg/day or 0.2mg/day?

>>42047579
AGP is "trutrans" if anything. AGP is the one with intense body dysphoria and a female inner gender identity. HSTS are just failed men.
You wrote that the prospect of impending masculinization made you hate yourself. Then you repped, it sounds like. When HSTS try to masculinize, the hope is that they'll be accepted as men, not that they'll lose a hatred of being masculine (which they don't have).

>>42047616
100 micro grams/24hours (0.1mg) like they were the hexamon patches

>>42047621
Frankly I think that if you treat Blanchardism as a legitimate classification schema (it's very poorly constructed tbhon), you have to admit that the categories are neither discrete nor binary yes/no.

>>42047621
Well okay, but it seems like I inherently have traits of both sides "types"… I just don‘t think of myself as trans IRL anymore, but whenever I go to 4chan I could just crash put on all the terminology and I started wondering, so I just asked and now I am more confused than before

>>42047637
>>42047666
Claim: "I'm both HSTS and AGP"
Reality: AGP

Claim: "I'm a secret third thing"
Reality: AGP

>>42047669
Okiii, sorry, so I am AGP now… I accept that.

Is there any guide on how to be AGP correctly, cuz up until now I simply talked, behaved and shared opinions like/of my cisf friends. Now I kind of feel reqlly wrong for invading these social groups and I might reject friendships to them from now on.

>>42047635
Gotcha. 0.1mg/day didn't suppress for me but 0.2mg/day very rapidly did. I had spotty absorption though (lots of scar tissue) so that may have been a contributing factor.

We're fairly similar, and I would consider myself to be a blend of both HSTS and AGP (I definitely have AGP, but I don't have a fully female identity, but I also had social/sexual selection pressure as a component of transition). Didn't troon out until 25 though because my sister (pure AGP type) trooned out when I was 20 and was such a rapehon that I repped extra hard.

>>42047669
Please engage in some level of critical thought.

>>42047690
Literally don't worry about it. Blanchardism is a deeply flawed classification schema built on deeply flawed methodology. Meanwhile, we have much more comprehensive information on biological drives behind transition beyond pseudoscientific fields.

>>42047690
If you pass then it doesn't really matter.
The trouble is that most AGPs do not pass. They tend to be optics nukes.

>>42047695
It's always amusing seeing AGPs attempt to construct a hierarchy within AGP. "Oh, I'm AGP, but I'm a bit HSTS too, teehee"

>>42047713
How many layers of chuddery deep do you have to be to think this is an attempt at establishing a hierarchy? I literally think I'm less "trutrans" *because* I'm not "classical AGP" (no starting female identity).

>>42047695
Gosh rapehons in your environment is a very valid reason to rep as hard as possible
I felt like a blend of both fields as well, but apparently any bit of AGP cancels out all bits of HSTS as >>42047669 suggested

>>42047701
I didn‘t worry about anything before my therapist told me I should visit "trans spaces" and then people there introduced me to 4chan and its culture

>>42047702
I blend in like a (tallish) normy girl, like I literally dress like a zara mannequin, since my body type is made for these clothes. Still, blending in while knowing I am nothing but a fetishist is gonna be hard from now on… like impostor syndrome might have kicked off now :sob:

>>42046956
how the fuck can an individual be r or k selected? how can a kind of person who is almost definitionally sterilised be subcategorised based on reproductive traits?

>>42047753
Aaand there's the classic AGP narcissistic seething coming through, railing against a concept of AGP as fetishism that I never described, along with reasserting a claim of passing to cover up insecurity.

>>42047784
>People rightfully take offense to pseudoscientific narratives that paint them as monsters that are primarily perpetuated by those who seek them harm
>Chuds are confused by this

>>42047790
I literally said being AGP doesn't matter if you pass but you're still mad about it

>>42047784
Soryyyy, I just thought of AGP as being a perversion of malehood and nothing else… all the stuff I have read about it had to do with pantyhose and gooning to the idea of oneself being the kind of woman you aspire to date? Maybe I just have a total misconception of it?

No, I only answered to the person saying >if you pass it doesn‘t really matter.

My insecurity doesn‘t come from passing but from the fact that I may have misunderstood what AGP really means

>>42047753
This board is generally awful. I would recommend staying away unless it gets decontaminated. It's good for finding alternative narratives from the mainstream perception of trannies, both within and outside of the "trans community" (scare quotes because there's not really a single community), but that's kind of it.

I recommend trying to find local spaces near you, but those can be hit or miss. A lot are just kinda traps run by dysfunctional people and it's really important to not isolate yourself in them.

>>42047813
Sometimes gooning in pantyhose is AGP, sometimes it's just a fabric fetish. It depends on whether the person doing it ties wearing pantyhose to being or becoming female in some way and that being the appeal of wearing pantyhose for them.

Cross-gender fantasies or wishes needn't cross over into the realm of going to qualify as AGP. There are asexual AGPs. There are early onset AGPs who never had a sexual thought before demanding to transition.

>>42047840
>cross over into the realm of gooning*

>>42046956
I feel like this is an extremely normal life trajectory for those of us that transitioned in our early 20s.

>>42047878
Malnourished estrogenized males who think that's the same thing as being feminine unite!

>>42047621
the 'intense dysphoria' only begins when they start thinking about transitioning. funny that.

>>42047885
>Examining a problem and dissecting it reveals more about the nature of the problem
>This vexes you

>>42047885
Well not really I thought about transitioning at age 10 as mentioned, yet I only experienced dysphoria (in a sense that I became depressed, self loathing and suicidal) at age 16 and onwards

>>42047969
It's almost like when puberty got worse your dysphoria manifested like it's some kind of condition that worsens with masculinization.

>>42047800
>"classic AGP narcissistic seething"
>Complains about people disliking "the concept of AGP as fetishism"
Iunno it seems like you're kind of a deceptive asshole

>>42047985
You seem inconsistent with your position on trooning (in case you are the anon from before, with the pro-AGP statements)

>>42048041
What's inconsistent about it? (frankly there are enough different anons here that I'm not sure if I'm the one you think I am)

>>42047939
no you tried to fit into this new thing that gave you a rush of excitement and made yourself distressed when you didn't see yourself as this imagined fiction. thats the reason the dysphoria escalates so intensely.
>>42047969
can you clarify here. were you thinking about gender transition i.e. surgeries hormones etc when you were a child? or did you think more in terms of 'it would be cool to be a woman'? or something else?

>>42048070
Do you genuinely think I was excited to figure out I was a tranny? I was fucking horrified and it gave an entire new character to the passive suicidal ideation I'd had since I was 12.

>>42048070
>did you think about gender transition as a child

Well I had a very innocent logic about gender back then, so I would have just wanted to not have a dick you know I didn’t know what it meant to have a vagina, so having the appearance of a vulva would have been enough for me back then, as I didn’t know anything about sex… I was built like a girl, had long girl and if I dressed genderless people weren‘t able to tell if I was a boy or a girl, which was good in my view…

But since I researched a bit I also started to understand how hormones worked and that I wouldn’t need them until puberty or so… that being said, puberty hit late anyways so repping up until then wasn’t really like repping, but simply whatever

>>42048112
have you ever thought 'maybe this isn't helping if its upsetting me so much?'

>>42048150
Hair* not girl sksksksk

>>42048158
"Maybe this isn't helping" is a perfect description of what repressing was. I worked even harder to repress and guess what? It made things worse.

Ignoring problems doesn't make them go away.

>>42048150
this kind of sounds like you didn't really understand what a woman was , so how come you wanted to be one? it just sounds like its your imagination thats doing the work

>>42048218
>how come you wanted be one?

I just inherently thought I would grow up to be like my mom and not like my dad and I was socialized by girls almost exclusively in kindergarten and also prefered my girls friend group in elementary… I didn‘t know what a woman was as much as I didn’t know what a man was supposed to be? Like I only have seen boys and girls from a social standpoint (a social standpoint of an innocent child that is)… meaning I really didn’t know anything about the biological side aside from genitals, so I thought maybe if I can change them thag would make me grow up a woman eventually.

Like I dunnoooo children are stupid and innocent, and I definitely was an especially naive child

>>42048212
but you told me it worsened your suicidal ideation finding out you were trans? was it not that as soon as you decided "I'm a woman trapped in a man's body" you just unloaded a whole load of stress into your sytem knowing you had to completely change your entire body to feel good again?

>>42048269
It worsened ideation due to a combination of self-loathing and frustration, and repping continued this pattern. Obviously, there's additional stress that comes from realizing that the process of alleviating the existing stress would be long and difficult and maybe even impossible, and that I had already missed out on parts of life because I was dealt a shitty hand, and that I could point to very specific sources of repression. That's just normal.

This was after I had already made a suicide attempt as a teenager because of sheer disgust in my body for reasons I did not comprehend.

The only way to actually resolve the problem was to face it head on, to work on myself to make sure that I had identified the problem correctly, and then fixing it.

>>42048266
>I loved being girly and deliberately spent my time with girls despite knowing I was a boy because doing that gave me the good genderfeels
So what. That means little. Lots of HSTS hang out with men and have male-coded hobbies because... they love men, and not just the idea of taking it up the ass from men because they feel girly doing that.
>>42048318
>sheer disgust in my body
If HSTS become depressed it's not because they hate their bodies for being male or masculine, but because they cannot seem to fit in with other males no matter what they do.
If I'd been able to get and keep a man then I'd never have transitioned. You evidently had no difficulty in that regard yet you transitioned anyway.

>>42048343
Note that I didn't specify *why* I hated my body back then. I hated it, but I didn't understand why. I also hated not feeling manly enough or fitting in well because I was this weird faggoty thing. Like the very first thing I did when confronted with the feelings I had was to break down and cry and pray not to be a faggot.

They're not discrete experiences.

>>42048376
>started hating myself after starting to understand how boys will become men and girls become women exclusively
>suicidal with the beginning of my puberty
Stop lying.

I know this is the last thing I should ask, but how does r/k selection apply to transsexuals? Please reply with effort, I want to know where you're going with this.

>>42048395
Where did I say the first part? I was suicidal because I hated myself without knowing why. I've been very clear on that.

>>42048266
the first bit didn't convince me I'm afraid, none of those things mean you are a woman.
>meaning I really didn’t know anything about the biological side aside from genitals, so I thought maybe if I can change them thag would make me grow up a woman eventually
I thought when you said you were a child you didnt know what a vagina was? are you jumping between ages when you describe this to me?

>>42048318
Sounds like you were having a really shitty time. Everyone's experiences are different, and its impossible to compare, but a lot of others go through a shitty time too at that time too. People get various different mechanism to try and deal with it. What kept pulling you towards transition? What made you think that was the 'fix' as you put it?
>That's just normal.
Maybe it is for transitioners but I dont know why thats considered healthy or self improvement in any way

>>42048395
Lol she: >>42048376 isn‘t op

>>42048266 is me (OP)

You‘re just a schizo I suppose

>>42048405
In the OP.

>>42048419
I'm not OP, dumbfuck.

>>42048417
When I got a phone at age 10 I started finding out about biological differences, I am not changing my ages?? You seem so weird tbhhh

>>42048418
>>42048430
>hurr ur a schizo for calling me agp bcuz I dun wanna be agp
Whatever, jeeps. Keep changing your stories and trying to seem not jeeps. Real knows real. You're both fake as fuck.

>>42048436
>>42048417
+ vulva (which I knew about before getting a phone call ≠ vagina)

>>42048439
Both of us openly stated being AGP by definition (because we experience dysphoria) while going through our experiences that don't quite fit "traditional AGP" norms, comparing and contrasting our personal and medical histories because, it turns out, being a tranny has complex biological drives behind it.

>>42048439
Waitttt, you‘re not a just some guy, but an actual hussie… well okiii I feel like really shitty now

Still, I didn‘t change stories bitch like huh?

>>42046956
Standard autogynephile with mildly aberrant pubertal development.
You dated girls but hated doing it with them because you envied them for being female.
You enjoyed bottoming because you felt it made you pseudofemale.
Congrats. You're likely a Harry Benjamin Type VI true transsexual, which means AGP.

>>42048436
>so I would have just wanted to not have a dick you know I didn’t know what it meant to have a vagina

so which is it? you knew, or you didnt at age 10? just seems like you are adjusting your childhood to whatever makes you seem convincingly a women

>>42048485
>>42048487
Ignore bitchy hussies (who are most likely agp and pretending otherwise).
In practice being AGP is a nothingburger. There are good and bad AGP and googled and bad HSTS. What matters is whether you cause disruption with your behavior and end up on the news.

>>42048548
That's what most trannies do.

>>42048417
Frankly? Transmedicalism is what pushed me over the edge. I saw the various health issues in my family history, my sister being a tranny, analyzing my symptoms and how they presented at different points in my life, and doing some genetic testing and finding I had many of the common genetic markers in the trans population.

Like it or not, me being a tranny made sense from a medical standpoint. This was after several people close to me in the past had clocked me, but I pushed them away because they were frankly stupid and didn't make convincing arguments.

>>42047050
So you were a parent's wet dream, congratulations!

>>42048548
At age 10 i knew about the following basic: penis=man
And the german word "scheide"=woman

Scheide not clearly meaning vagina as a full vag, woth canal and clitoris, but as the thing that is there were a penis is on males. That is my very true and only story, I didn‘t know there was such a clear difference before realizing that malehood isn‘t to be forced upon ob bois… but it also doesn’t matter and anything wouldn‘t make me "seem like a woman" since having had gendery envy in childhood is early onset agp anyways according to this threat and I have, as earlier said accepted that fact (even when it makes me feel really stupid now that I am "a woman who isn‘t really one"… I just don‘t wanna accept being told I am lying fs

>>42048591
This is pretty standard for a lot of depressed kids, tranny or otherwise.

>>42048624
Neither HSTS nor AGP is any more "real woman" than the other. Blanchard felt that way too.

>>42048645
Isn‘t it agreed upon that HSTS=trutrans
While AGPs are just fetishizing males?
And if I don‘t tick all the boxes on hsts but only one box on agp that means I am just a fetishizing man?

>>42048668
No, that's not what's agreed upon. HSTS must live as a man, particularly a gay man, before they transition. Blanchard is very explicit about this.

>>42048668
The only people who think that are idiots on this board tbhon. I don't even know a single other tranny irl who even knows about HSTS as a category.

AGP == trans due to internal reasons
HSTS == trans due to external reasons

That's really it. Recognizing that both reasons exist is like the only valuable takeaway from Blanchardism.

>>42048668
If anything AGP better fits "trutrans" the way trannies use it. AGP is the one that comes with hatred of being male and a strong desire to be female.
AGP isn't just late transitioning former transvestic fetishists. They were a product of their time. It seems to occur much less in later generations of AGPs.
Bluntly: we're all males larping as females, regardless of etiology.

>>42048683
Wrong. Blanchard wrote that some cases of HSTS can appear to be asexual prior to transition.

>>42048683
Well I psyoped myself to be a bi man but really was only into men (I would only have crossdressed once out of all the times I fagged out, but it felt wrong and off)… but that is like one part of all of it… I am still AGP due to my gender envy of girls (and later dysphoria with puberty onset)

>>42048589
taking hormones in a body not designed for them is extremely bad for the body , transitoning is not restoring flow, it is actively working against the natural biology on your body and the long term effects have never been studied in great depth. This is a potentially really damaging prospect for your health, and I'm not really sure how you can say this is about your wellbeing.

>I saw the various health issues in my family history, my sister being a tranny, analyzing my symptoms and how they presented at different points in my life, and doing some genetic testing and finding I had many of the common genetic markers in the trans population
So let me get this straight - you may be at risk of heritidary medical conditions . okay with you on that. but then there is a gap - you say you are transitioning and thats why. I feel like I missed the actual reason here - transitioning will cure any possible symptoms of any heriditary conditions you may have - is this what you are trying to imply?

>>42048743
lmao
Both males and females have naturally occuring testosterone and estrogen
We are all designed for both hormones

>be agp
>be mad about it
>call some other thing agp
>claim not being that means you're not agp

>>42048624
>even when it makes me feel really stupid now that I am "a woman who isn‘t really one"
I can respect that. I'm not truly convinced but it doesn't matter what I think. I genuinely hope you are right and this is the best path for you.

>>42048694
I wouldn’t have known about blanchardism at all before visting that board

But I got so many *opinions* here that don‘t add up tbhon… like trutransism, the fact that wanting a vag is agp but orhers say its hsts then AGP=transbian while HSTS=straight (gay before trooning) and that would make me hsts but at the same time someone said earlier I can‘t be hsts for having tried to man up, yet hsts is inherently trying to man up yet failing that try over and over again???

LIKE PICK A POISON :sob:

I really regret opening this thread because it seems like I am just being toyed around by trolls here? Like ye I accept I am AGP now, but I still don‘t really know how or why, cuz I haven’t learned anything consistent about blanchardism.

>>42048861
Your problem is that meta-attracted young-transitioning AGPs have appropriated the HSTS label for themselves, and they're giving you an incorrect definition of HSTS alongside the real one.

>>42048880
Oki, but what is it really now? I was a faggy male trying to hide it as good as I could during school. But gender envying girls is agp. Considering you can‘t be partially both I have to be AGP.
Where is the logic in this srsly?

>>42048762
yes you're right but male and female systems are not the same and you can't arbitrarily top up estrogen and testosterone without any consequence to your endocrine system which controls a lot of important things in your body.

>>42048743
I fit the medical profile of the typical tranny whose issues improve with transition, so I transitioned. I am subsequently happier. Simple as that.

>>42048911
The secret is that AGP and HSTS as entirely discrete categories makes zero sense because the classification schema is trying to fit too many different things into it at once.

>>42048955
What issues improved? I'm geuinely curious what medical issues transitioning helped solve because I've only ever heard of it increasing them

>>42049013
Beyond all of the mental health issues? It reduced my painful cystic acne and joint pain.

>>42048911
Why do you care?
All the typology is is a correlation that says sexual orientation is strongly correlated with transition outcome.
If your transition is successful, then it doesn't matter whether you're AGP or HSTS.

>>42049030
>Beyond all of the mental health issues?
yes because you described your suicidal ideation so we know it doesn't work in that respect.
>acne
bit of an extreme acne treatment
> joint pain
interesting. i wonder how it did that. how did you know it was going to fix your joint pain? did the other trans people have this same issue, and it was fixed with hormone treatment?

>>42046956
You will definitely an hero if you get bottom surgery. Like it’s statistically probable. Plus most dudes would be more into a shecock then a neo-vag

>>42049095
I stated that realizing I was trans made my mental health worse. Realization =/= starting treatment.

It was extremely painful cystic acne on my shoulders. Dutasteride in particular helped the most.

The joint pain going away was a nice surprise.

>>42049136
We become trans by choosing to transition, not through any sort of realization.

>>42049100
Huh? The guys coming up to me are firstly disappointed when I tell them I am just a tranny and most of them ask the cock/vag question and all of them were disappointed I was pre op?? Like IRL seems so different from this board?

>>42049037
How is sexual orientation correlated to transition outcome? And how would I know my outcome if I am in my 20th month of trooning? All I know is my current state and my androphilia. (Not saying I can‘t find ceetwin women hot, but that’s more in an envious way than anything sexual really)

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>>42048633
It sure wasn't true for me. I kept running away from home until I was sent to Foster home. The time I turned 18 I went out and transition

>>42049162
Lower T = better transition outcome
Lower T = correlated with increased incidence of androphilia

>>42048668
Hsts are simply homosexual male who transitioned to female usually because they do not receive enough sexual attention as males because they do not look like Chad

>>42049151
You're pretty dense if you don't really get the meaning of what I said.

>>42049162
Chasers like dick. Normal straight men like neovag.

>>42049170
Different cultural setting for sure and family dynamics for sure. I would have just eventually killed myself without ever threatening it once… cuz it just seems stupid… luckily I became a fortunate midshit, so the only regret I have now is having to look back at the teenage years I have lost as a "girl"… however since we now know that self-motivated transition=agp it wouldn’t have made me a girl back then as well as it doesn‘t make me a girl now, no matter my passability in voice, appearance, manners, behavior, emotions.

>>42049170
It honestly depends on why you're depressed and also a level of confidence. I had considered running away but was a total coward. Fear kept me from even talking about being depressed at all, let alone my other issues.

>>42049239
For fuck's sake. HSTS aren't real women either.

>>42049210
Who dafuq is into chasers anyways? They often seem like guys that just can‘t score an actual girl. The few chasers that are actually masculine and attractive I still talk to find my idea of getting a good neovag great and support me in this decision.

>>42049272
I am I wish even a bisexual chaser was into me sadly I'm a gross 6'2 man

>>42049287
Gal what country do you live in? In the netherlands at least 1/100 would be as tall as you are… if it helps :(

6‘ myself but I just don‘t really stand out in germanic and scandinavian countries, which is why I would never leave europe.

>>42049272
Some people only get chasers, some people are gynesexual in general and not specifically chasers, and sometimes chasers are good at hiding it.

>>42049309
I never see women even 6' where I live, I'm taller than almost all men

>>42049321
Lul as I told you, Would never leave central/nordic europe since I know that everywhere else 6‘ is heighthon area

>>42049332
Height is only a problem if you're a brick.

>>42049136
I dont think Transmedicalism is all its cracked up to be if the only thing you knew it solved for certain is your acne. I genuinely thought you would say the stress helped with a heart condition or something when you said it was your main reason for transitioning.

>>42049349
You're literally discounting the primary benefit, which was the mental health improvements that came with alleviating dysphoria.

>>42049349
OP here, it helped with high blood pressure and high heart rate. However I still have (reduced) acne on my back.

And the psychological blah blah was also great for me, but now that I was introduced to 4chan I feel like I returned to misery.

>>42049363
Dysphoria can be alleviated by going outside and doing things with other people.

>>42049418
No, pushing myself to live life more made it worse and made me analyze my behavior more, especially after quarantine broke many previously forced habits. The usual answers of work out, improve my health, etc.

I think you're just being a weird concern troll tbhon.

>>42046956
OP. BEWARE. YOU NEED TO READ THIS.

After several years any feeling of being a woman inside can fade. If you've had SRS at that point, then you're stuck feeling like a dude with a vagina. Not many people can handle that.

>>42049585
Being a dude with a vagina, as a bottom, sounds pretty awesome tbhon.

>>42049626
That is an extremely HSTS mindset.

>>42049652
Not OP but like, I can fully admit there are a lot of benefits to being a dude. If I wasn't a dysphoric mess it would be my goal, but I don't think there's a way to make that work lmao.

>>42049585
But I didn‘t want my dick anyways… like I would be okayish with being a vag-flamer atp

>>42049626
>>42049736
I think it's hilarious the answers were just "yeah we'd probably be fine as vagbros"

>>42049886
What would the FTMs do?

>>42049886
vag bros rule

>>42049894
Be vagbros

>>42048694
>>42049267
>>42049652
Why does this board have such weird and contradictory takes about HSTS? At this point you can as well believe that HSTS are some kind of metaphysical creatures