>>42064502
she probably wouldn't have liked modern "gock"posting transbians

No.
The path to trans liberation lies in male chauvinism and supporting all males, whether they be men or women.

I would assume every real feminist

>>42064515
Feminists despise transsexuals. If one can change sex, then the entire case for feminism falls apart, because dissatisfied women can simply become men.

>>42064502
she looks like a female chudjak

>>42064535
They don't. It doesn't. Anything else you want to be wrong about?

>>42064502
Yes. Talia Bhatt is an example.

Valerie Solanas would not be but she's a schizoid nutjob whose work should never ever be taken seriously.

>>42064535
"Just change religions, 5head" isn't an argument against religious freedom.
I think most feminists can recognize transition as a valuable "pressure-release valve" for gender-based oppression, but still desire that the systems of oppression themselves be broken down.

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>>42064502
Read. Shulamith. Firestone.
Take the Shuliepill NOW!

>>42064535
>>42064535
execpt it would cause them gender dysphoria and they would also likely become short undesirable men

No, radical feminism goes full circle until it comes around to supporting anti-trans conservatives. This happens every single time.

>>42064623
They would literally rather lose their own rights than support trans women.

>>42064502
Feminism shouldn't include men, especially men who imitate women as part of a sexual fetish.

>>42064671
Then women should stay out of men's spaces, like gay bars and boardrooms. Stop appropriating male culture and achievements.

>>42064702
I'll never understand why men that hate women so much want to be them. The average troon online doesn't understand women, and even hates them to various degrees, but they want to imitate them and force society to misgender them.

yes but I'm honestly tired of the "trans inclusive radical feminists" and the trannies who try to imitate them. the problems with radical feminism go deeper than transphobia which was never radfem in the first place. they are overwhelmingly white academics who are primarily interested in theorizing womanhood / patriarchy in terms of their problems as white academics. furthermore many of them have basically the same issues as certain trans inclusive lesbians / chasers who see theirselves as God's gift to trannies. or project their own struggles with femininity onto trans women.

>>42064502
I mean technically you could call my cis gf a radical feminist.
But that trans inclusivity is limited to her considering me 'one of the only good ones'. It works for me because I tend to agree with radical lesbian separatist ideas and enjoy feeling special.
But it is not something I think most trans women would be ok with.

>>42064776
were you around for the Monique Wittig craze of about 5 or 6 years ago

>>42064776
Your gf is going to abandon you at a moment's notice when it is convenient

>>42064751
Trannies are to lesbians what chasers are to trannies, but even worse because they are men that don't respect lesbian sexuality. Many lesbians have issues with trusting men, and trannies are men that have decided to disregard boundaries and try to force lesbians into sex with men. They're rapists.

>>42064560
>Valerie Solanas would not be but she's a schizoid nutjob whose work should never ever be taken seriously.
Maybe if you read her before shitting on her you'd see she "supports" transing literally every male

>>42064787
I was not. I have no idea who that is.
>>42064788
Nah. We are too good of a match for each others weirdness.
Plus they would be very unlikely to find someone else who is as worshipful of her as I am. That is something she is really into and is not about to abandon.

>>42064502
Unrelated but is “Females” worth reading? Valerie Solanas’s shit is so retarded I just didn’t want to continue with the rest of the book.

>>42064798
lol based radfem dropping trvthnvkes on the troons

>>42064814
I have read the SCUM Manifesto and it's the academic equivalent of scribblings on a gas station restroom wall

its called feminism

>>42064737
>strawman after strawman
If people misgender me then it's their own fault because they're supposed always to be able to tell.

>>42064839
It's not supposed to be academic retard omg youre such a pseud
It's a postmodern essay
And it literally supports trannies
So you admitting to have read it really proves your vacuity

>>42064826
No, it's just agp attempts to justify the paraphilia

>>42064798
people like you confuse me because you make these wildly aggressive statements claiming we chase after lesbians in response to the fact that trannies find a particular "ally" to be predatory and annoying, and avoid her. they're too long of a post to be bait and largely just comes off as butthurt. imagine feeling rejected by a post that was never even directed at you in the first place.

>>42064849
It quite literally does not support trannies, and political manifestos, regardless of how insincere they may be, are still academic pieces.

>>42064849
>It's just a postmodern essay from a delusional paranoid woman who went to prison for shooting a man lol don't take her writing about eliminating men seriously even though she said she wrote it in earnest

>>42064862
cisfoids always have to be the center of attention and the victim but they never want to endure actual suffering
they'd rather kick down at trans women than go after cis men because going after cis men might involve actual risk

>>42064883
See Andrea Dworkin's Right Wing Women

This creepy chaser was obsessed with making me into a Valerie Solanas figure. I thought it was retarded. I just couldn’t do it. This shit is all retarded.

>>42064823
one of the first lesbian separatist / material feminists, wrote a book called "the straight mind and other essays" wherein they argued that heterosexuality is a political system that establishes the male and female sexes (women as the category of sex), that lesbians try to opt out of. which is why lesbophobia exists, they are in direct opposition to heterosexual society. wittig arrives at the conclusion that we must be liberated from sex (heterosexuality and the assignment of sexual identity along these lines) by building lesbian society, which will abolish womanhood.

their positions shift a little over the years, earlier essays are a little more scathing towards gay men but softens up towards them later. the last thing they did seemed to be a lesbian dictionary with their partner. they also wrote a work of avant garde erotica and a science fiction novel.

>>42064798
I’m just spitballing but sometimes I wonder if the transbians that annoy lesbians so much are just not aware of the isolation part of being a lesbian, the independence, even from other women. That’s a core part of being a lesbo which they seem afraid to embrace, which makes them come off as borderline and codependent, the two most unattractive traits in a woman.

Women are failed men
Women who can make it as pseudo-men do so hence the historical third gender role of "female men" in some Slavic countries
Women are taught to be useless except as holes by their mothers, who were taught the same thing by their own mother's, and so on

>>42064906
Political lesbianism has, and always will be, very weird, since it's just not grounded in the biological drives behind sexual attraction.

There absolutely is a paternalistic nature to lesbophobia, but arguments that lesbian sexuality is an explicit abandonment of patriarchal norms and not something that "true lesbians" (as opposed to "political lesbians") experience naturally always remain unconvincing.

>>42064911
Yeah transbians are not aware that isolation is a core part of lesbianism and that's why they must rape

>>42064938
>transbians, an even more isolated social group, don't understand isolation
are you retarded

>>42064929
Gay men have always endured far worse violent persecution than lesbians have.
The Bible condemns gay men to death but doesn't care about lesbianism.
"Women have always been the primary victims of war"

>>42064944
I'm really smart

>>42064944
cisf victim complex
they want attention without having to do any work

>>42064929
I think I have the slightly more sympathetic view that political lesbians by and large are genuinely and primarily attracted to women, and so it's not intuitive to imagine heterosexuality as appealing in anything but the abstract terms of power. yes women can get off to the power game of having a husband, but I also think that most people don't engage with the world as a series of systems like this.

>>42064948
The way lesbians and gay men are violently persecuted against are different and do vary. Gay men are seen as aberrations to dispose of while lesbians are seen as rebels to correct (while also suffering under misogyny). It's paternalism in action.

>>42064982
Gay men: murdered
Lesbians: not murdered

>>42064991
Gay men: murdered
Lesbians: subjected to corrected rape and enslaved

>>42064991
ah yes, the famously not murdered lesbians. and gay men, who are correctively raped.

Feminists are why I'm not a feminist.

>>42064702
>Then women should stay out of men's spaces, like gay bars and boardrooms.
Agree. We have fa better spaces, don't know why women want to go there.
>Stop appropriating male culture and achievements
I don't think see how is some hook up bar a achievement but I guess it is by male standards.

>>42064502
I mean yeah they do. It's called TIRF.

>>42065046
>angry cisfoid can't point to any female achievements of note
>instead turns to belittling marginalized men

trans women are men
both transgenderism and ferminism are misandrist ways to try to keep men down
both transgenderism and feminism HATE feminine men

i like how in spite of our differences the trans feminists and the trans exclusionary feminists can come together and own the homonationalists that make up this board

this will be the last post I make here for a few weeks as I need to get back to doing real things.
As a trans women I've been experimenting with the idea of pursuing and embodying true feminist beliefs as I think my nature is well disposed to it. Before I transitioned I spent many years in far right echo chambers as part of how I coped with repressing myself. I never took well to nationalist rhetoric but in that time there wasn't a day that went by that I didn't think about some sort of women hate on some level. My inner women didn't know what to do at this time and contented to support me no matter what while laying seeds of doubt along the way. I've been out of those groups for a few years now but I always think back to this and feels me with a mix of emotions that I don't know how to handle. I don't open up to people because I hate myself for this. I don't feel like I belong anywhere because of this experience.
If I wasn't a trans women I would just be another misogynist, though the irony is not lost on me that no matter what I do some here will always see me as a misogynist.
idk all I can do is my best.

>>42065245
trans women are far more misandrist than misogynistic

>>42065083
If your achievements means gay bars then we can count lesbians bars and female only clubs as achievement too kek.
>men
>marginalized
lmfao

>>42065564
>>42065083
You're both fucking retarded

>>42065564
Note that you completely ignored the other example of a male space that I gave

>>42065119
what are u talking about, i'm a trans girl and got a ton of femboy friends, we just want femininity in different ways while still (in our case) liking masc men. If anything most trans women into guys despise cis women and the way they treat people, like how going to a gay bar is impossible because cis women make everyone uncomfortable. Don't think that online arguments are reality lmao.

>>42065652
ur a feminine man who hates being a feminine man

>>42065652
Correct. Androphilic trans women are frequently "male-identified" in the sense that men are their people. Why wouldn't they be? They love men.

>>42065664
You're a screeching harpy who wants feminine men to stay feminine men so that you can attack them and exercise your misandry at no risk to yourself.

>>42065668
It's often because if we aren't paying obeisance to cisfoids we're not given the "house nigger" treatment, so might as well just not bother?

Though frankly the people who make me distance myself the most from female spaces are theyFABs and transbians. The former are annoying af and the latter won't stop awkwardly flirting with me.

>>42065679
there is no becoming a woman
there is only exaggerating your behavioral femininity to demonstrate it ever existed

>>42065772
I'm not interested in the screechings of one who would force feminine males to remain permanent victims.

>>42065790
castrating feminine men is a form of active victimization
you are implying feminine men are hypersexual and cannot help being predators and must be castrated to fit into society
if the only way to be a feminine man is to chemically castrate yourself and assume a female identity, its NOT ok to be a feminine man

>>42065668
I wouldn't say I'm "male identified" but I'd also say my attraction for males is closer to being faggot-like than anything like a straight woman's, and that's okay, most guys who freed themselves from just being cishet for the sake of societal standards and not because they're actually het (not that i find heterosexual men that hot anyway) don't mind it at all, and still treat me like their girlfriend on the street and to their family and their family know me as a girl and then they treat me like an estrogenized fag in bed, it's the best of both worlds.

>>42065812
No one ITT except for (you) is saying feminine men need to "castrate" themselves.
The only reason someone should "castrate" themselves (read: take HRT and experience a temporary impairment of fertility that goes away if they stop) is if they want to grow boobs.
It has nothing to do with feminine behaviour, only wanting to physically change your body.

>>42065812
Disgusting DARVO. Feminine males are viewed as prey. They are not predators.
Incidentally, the actually feminine ones tend to retain sex drive and function even with castrate levels of testosterone. All the handwringing about "chemical castration!!!" and it's just... nothing, really.

>>42065865
Some even have their sex drive increase. Holy shit progesterone made me a fucking menace.

>>42065865
feminine males are treated as predators who can harm both women or men depending on what's convenient for the accuser

Annoying 30 year old transbians on Tumblr, yes

>>42065884
DHT backdoor conversion?

>>42065893
It's the classic tranny double-bind and at the core of transphobia. It's all about reaching the conclusion of "tranny bad" and tortured logic to reach that conclusion.

>>42065893
Women: "feminine males are predators!"
Also women: "no don't cHeMiCaLlY cAsTrAtE yourself!"

>>42065916
I had that issue to an extent (not an extreme amount, but my DHT was greater than my basically nonexistent T) but adding Dutasteride further increased sex drive.

It's also not quite the same sex drive either. I had both a bottom and a top drive before, and while the top drive is basically gone the bottom drive became much more intense. Like, actively drooling over men in public levels.

>>42065927
feminine males ARENT predators, so they DONT need to chemically or surgically castrate themselves

>>42066346
But if they want to, then they're predators? Because that's TERF logic.

>>42066346
They have predator bones.
In a thousand years, anthropologists will dig up your predator skeleton.
(sarcasm)

>>42066381
They'll dig up my bones and see... a female pelvis.

>>42066379
no, that most of society sees (or pretends to see) feminine men as predators, and really, I think society is divided on whether castration makes feminine men no longer predators - some do, some don't

>>42064874
she was right to shoot him ttho

>>42066765
She fucked up the rest of his life
She should've gone down for attempted murder

>>42065001
men cant be raped except by. they always love sex. its literally impossible to rape a man. there is a great field ripe for the slaugtthterning we took oureselfves to the field and began the deep work comit oureslf to the task of fucking murdering slaughtering the wheat the flowers seting the it alight watch it burn killing the disease burn it out burn it out burn it burn it suck it suck it suck it

>>42066802
If you unironically believe this, please insert yourself into the nearest dump truck so you can be compressed into a pile of viscera.

>>42066802
1. go to sleep
2. do you like david tibet

Yeah, most of them. Terfs are a loud minority

>>42064502
Nope not a single feminist would support troons ever we are subhuman and we need to accept it

>>42064502
all TIRFs are just a hop and a skip away from becoming full blown TERFs moment you disagree with them on something.

>>42064671
that's just bad optics in general. I've always been more of a "the last phase of feminism is convincing men they need it" kinda person

>>42070470
If you disregard 50% of the population on principle, often demonizing them and discounting their accounts of their own experiences due to circumstances outside of their control, it's gonna be garbage.

>>42064870
I have read the manifesto and I was surprised to find it clearly supports trannies. You have to give quotations to prove it doesn't

>>42064502
A lot of them like to think they are

>>42064502
underrated benefit to aborting all xy fetuses: no more dumb threads like this

>>42064671
You’re 100% right and browsing here made me realise the trans movement is completely sexist. Every single day I read posts from troons on here who are either seething jealous of women or think the exact same way as incels and trooned out for “female privilege”. You also routinely attack and humiliate ftms for being women.This entire this is MRA shit and always was.

>>42064737
Men are obsessed with sex, they think women have easier access to sex, so they’re jealous of women while also despising them for not giving out sex. They larp as women and enter a world of perpetual insecurity because they enter a one sided competition with women doing it and their incel instincts get even worse.

>>42065668
Kek it’s funny when they just admit it’s an MRA movement. This place is prison gay as fuck. It’s all an ecosystem of incels with half of them larping as women as a form of cope.

>>42072247
The only people here I see talking about "female privilege" are chuds who are told to fuck off.

Do you think an anonymous imageboard populated largely by trolls is indicative of "the trans movement"?

>>42072324
female privilege is real though, and I say that as a leftist

>>42072343
A lot of "female privilege" is a combination of "pretty privilege" and paternalism though. It's like saying "child privilege."

>>42072359
nope, ugly women are privileged above ugly men
the privilege is cuz they have wombs, and society doesn't want to damage them
men are slaves, women are elites

>>42064787
That shit was funny as hell, I 'member.
>>42064839
Pseud spotted, if you didn't immediately clock it as inverted freudian psychology you have no business pretending to have understood any of it.
>>42064849
Support is a strong word. Solanas didn't understand trannies very well and the manifesto reflects her confused and contradictory views on us.
>>42064925
Why hello Galen, I was unaware that you had been revived from your 1800 year slumber and reincarnated to spout the same idiotic nonsense you cribbed from Aristotle back in 177. How fascinating.

>>42064883
I'm not sure if you've been paying for the past 12 years or so but kicking down at me is pretty much all they do, and they do it because there are absolutely no consequences for their actions. Feminists in general are complete and utter intellectual cowards. Kicking downwards is all they do. They always find the weakest men with the lowest social status to do it too as well. Feminist have never and will never pose any threat to the people who run the world, which is not the "patriarchy" but the capitalist class. They're pathetic human beings who have bee treated with kid gloves for far too long and their moronic pseudo intellectual "ideology" is about to be torn to shreds as we gear up for war with Russia and all of the "priveleged" men are conscripted while the "oppressed" get to stay hime doing their pointless makework jobs for middle class wages. The last thing any many is going to want to hear when he gets shipped back from the front lines with his legs blown off is that it gives his wife the ick, she's divorcing him and taking half his shit and she is the real victim here because of muh patriarchy. Women are going right back in the kitchen after about two weeks of that so strap the fuck in.

>>42074286
I 100% agree that radfems are targeting trannies rn because they see them as the weakest and stupidest men

>>42065564
Dykes can't even keep a lesbian bar open.

>>42064502
No, all RadFems hate troons.

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>>42074387
it's interesting that the women's / men's spaces in question are always for lower classes, like dive bars and public restrooms. its never things like frats, the freemasons or religious leadership. places that actually hold power. culture war stuff is entirely proleslop, they want us to fight amongst ourselves while they divvy up our world like a chess game.

>>42074286
good psyop but no. you will not be drafted into war with Russia, they're too weak to care about, it is more likely to happen with China. historically speaking the "men" who don't get drafted will have something very different from makework. but given the social outcomes of WWII, the draft, Vietnam, including feminism, USA would not survive were it to happen.

capitalism and patriarchy are not competing metaphysics and it's fud to suggest otherwise. housework is work and women are working class. patriarchy is older than capitalism. capitalism requires the reproduction of labor, patriarchy is happy to provide.

Over half the radfem rhetoric about trans women ends the moment that most trans women want men (and especially queerer men) and not women (and no transbian puppy girls on twitter are not the majority unless it's a being annoying contest). Maybe if they took their head out of their ass and realized that no one wants to date them because they're funny coloured haired goblins who don't take care of themselves, they'd realize it's not patriarchy, it's just the fact making yourself unpleasant to be around (spiritually and physically) even to other normal lesbians kinda ruins all your chances at a successful dating life. I don't get why other trans women would chase cis women since I got raped by 2 afabs so far, one because she couldn't take that I'm gay for an answer pre-transition and another because I wouldn't date him for being a trans man, but god damn, it's funny as shit seeing radfems think everyone is woman centered because of their stupid little bubble.

>>42074582
I think it would be kinda hot to get drafted and serve on a military base, a bunch of muscular men together with little gay me with boobs hips and fake vagene

This is a bunch of fag shit that doesn't matter

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>>42074630
we will probably wind up in an autism camp sadly. at least there is fanfiction.

>>42074749
But I'm not autistic!

>>42074753
of course you aren't.. when they ask just don't tell them about all this, okay? you'll be safe. I promise.

>>42074800
I'm scared of guns... I just want to build cities and rail networks (mostly rail networks) on the computer...

>>42074866
it is okay to want those things. good even. you will be safe, and your computer. you will not be taken away, I will protect you and so will the revolution. its strong men and its women.

>>42074582
>housework is work and women are working class
Housework hasn't been real work since the invention of the washing machine. The only women who are working class are the ones that perform necessary labour. If you clean floors or stack shelves then you are a worker. If you, like so many women in the west, get paid to "girlboss" and gossip all day, then you are a petit bourgeois parasite.

>capitalism requires the reproduction of labor, patriarchy is happy to provide
Yeah no shit. Communism requires the reproduction of labour too. Every system does. The situation we're in right now, even in communist nations like China, is one where women have been allowed to plummet the entire human race into a death spiral because they'd rather whore around, pursue their fake "careers" and enjoy total freedom from criticism and consequences instead of settling down with a decent, ordinary guy and popping out a few kids like they used to. This is what feminism has ultimately led us to. The biggest mistake that men ever made is assuming women wanted actual equality instead of a blank cheque to do whatever they want, whenever they want, regardless of the harm it causes in the long term.