Why do straight trans women on average have better transition outcomes?
>>42067535Maybe it has to do with straight trannies transitioning earlier in life due to sticking out more and medical gatekeeping that was biased against bi/les trannies?
Easier to blend in when you're het. Also because homos have something fucky going on with their phenotype that makes them look feminine.
They don't, not really, not anymore.Blanchard excluded from his definition of "homosexual transsexual" subjects who were not already feminine in appearance and disposition, leaving only those with lifelong low androgen exposure.What he really showed is that trans women who were already physically and behaviorally feminine on average have better transition outcomes.These days a lot of bisexual transsexuals pretend to be exclusively attracted to men so that they can claim to be "one of the good ones." Additionally, there are still straight trans women who were never particularly feminine before transition.
>>42067535>why do straight people have better outcomes?
>>42067600Hmm interestingIt was anecdotal evidence for me. Straight trans women who I speak with look more feminine than the average lesbian. I don't count bishits in my analysis because they might be repressing themselves and stuff, so they were not included in my question (my fault)
>>42067600>What he really showed is that trans women who were already physically and behaviorally feminine on average have better transition outcomes.This. HSTS as a type is literally a midwit missing that feminine people tend to assimilate into society better as women. Gee, what a wild conclusion.
>>42067653Compare straight cis women to cis lesbians and you can draw a similar conclusion. Femininity, in terms of cultural signifiers, is often heavily tied to female heterosexuality.
>>42067671>MidwitYou are the midwit. Scientists have to use evidence and categories and run tests to prove shit. Science doesn’t work on the principle of “it’s obvious, duh!” Retard.
>>42067535Str8 trans women are concerned about being attractive to men, AGPs are not. So AGPs look conventionally ugly bc they make themselves sexy for gay women (who are attracted to horrid things)
>>42067716That's exactly what Blanchard did though. He came from an extremely biased perspective and due to that bias missed obvious conclusions, which is why his work is so dated now and has been left behind by the scientific community. I absolutely give Blanchard credit for being less transphobic than many of his peers at the time, but I also can recognize that he was wrong and that it was built on many childish assumptions that are self evidently wrong to trans people themselves.
>>42067932There being two types was known long before Blanchard came on the scene. The two types are pretty much "lifelong extremely low T exposure" and "everyone else." It just so happens that "extremely low T exposure" also correlates well with androphilia, and Blanchard wanted to show a result based on sexual orientation, because 1980s sexology was all about who you want to fuck.
>>42068068>there are 2 types of people: straight and gay
>>42068098No, because there are masc gays and fem gays. There are also a small number of gynephilic males who are extremely feminine (HSTS levels of feminine) and fit better in HSTS than in AGP.
>>42067535go to r/StraightTransGirls and tell me those girls have good outcomes lmao. so much sadder than any cringy transbian shit
>>42068114This is why Blanchardism is fucking retarded and we should be looking at endocrine and genetic profiles instead.
>>42068128r/StraightTransGirls is full of meta-attracted AGP pretending to be HSTS.
>>42068133The only one that matters is lifelong extreme low T exposure, whether through low T production or through AIS, because anything else leads to too much masculinization for a good transition outcome. That's why the second group should be discouraged from transitioning. They get poor outcomes and they fuck things up politically for the first group.
>>42068169Imagine if someone said not to treat skin cancer patients because they fuck things up for brain cancer patients.
>>42068140sweetie those girls HATE lesbians its really kinda funny. its bad. you go to the top of all time on that and literally 0 passoids either
>>42068140'meta-attraction' is such a cope lol.>oh fuck these trans women are 100% hsts but are also kinda uggos oh fuck what do i do!?!!>uuuuh just say they're all lying about wanting to have sexy with men!>ya still got it Blanchy
>>42068181They don't, though.
>>42068140redditor = hondoesn't matter if you are an agp or hsts
>>42068185They know that being attracted to men is the mark of being the "good" type of trans, so they do it performatively. Dating men also feeds into their interpersonal AGP.>>42068183They hate transbians because they know, deep down, they're attracted to women too, and the only real difference is they transitioned younger than the typical transbian did.
>>42068240>they're all lying!! even to themselves!!Insane cope
>>42068237wrong threadI meant this >>42068140
>>42068240>If we accuse anyone who doesn't meet this arbitrary criteria of lying, then the typology stands up!Blanchtards are sub-70 IQ
>>42067535I need blanchard to fuck my pathetic little girlish face and beat me like a dog please please please please please
>>42068264I think he's probably a bit too old for that sort of thing nowadays.
>>42068260He already proved you wrong. You're continuance of sticking to the un-reality you've based your identity off of is unhealthy. Seek help.
>>42068255>>42068260Trannies lie. They lied in his studies. Their accounts of their sex lives were often contradicted by their partners.
>>42068279>Proof>It's the same circular reasoning
>>42068240sweetie they did not transition younger its really sad how straightoids think they're better than the generation of twinkhons and boymoders because they found the most mediocure man with no head game to date them for 4 months
>>42068303Did you misinterpret what I wrote? I'm saying that the ones in r/StraightTransGirls are no better than the transbians they claim to despise. They only think they're better because they transitioned younger and performatively date men.
>>42068321and im saying you're wrong, the hons in r/StraightTransGirls did not transition younger, nor did the MAJORITY of "straight transgender women"
If you at any point, have sex with men, you are having sex with men. >but its lying sex!Irrelevant.
>>42068188they literally do lmao it takes zero seconds of thinking to realize that "x funding could go to y instead of z" same logic
>>42068068There arent two types of people you stupid pseudointellectual pickme retard. There are dozens.
>>42068506Two types of mtf transsexuals, not people in general, idiot.
>>42068517>If we create two categories and then force people into those categories then it's proof we only have two types!>Lets ignore how awkwardly I need to twist my classification schema to maintain these two types!
>>42068517there are not two types of mtf transexuals and if you believe that you are a retard and also probably a pick me retard. There are "HSTS" who are lesbian, straight or bi, asexual AGPs, crossdressing repressors, mtfs who want to or dont want to have a dick, non-HRT trannies. there is so much more nuance, but blanchard went in with huge biases and only interviewed gay clubbers, sex workers and miserable repressed trans people who's only outlet was masturbating.
>>42068652Blanchard is the Freud of transsexuality.
>>42068652From the 13th century:https://www.abuaminaelias.com/dailyhadithonline/2019/07/03/two-types-of-mukhannath/>Al-Nawawi said, “The scholars said effeminate men are two types. First, one who was created that way and he is not responsible for his behavior resembling women, their appearance, their speech, and their movements. Rather, Allah created him upon his disposition, so this is not blameworthy for him, nor a fault, nor a sin, nor is he punished. He has the excuse of not being able to control that. For this reason, the Prophet (ṣ) did not condemn him at first when he entered the homes of women, nor his behavior as it was originally his disposition. Indeed, he condemned his behavior after his deliberate imitation of women was made known to him, and he did not condemn his description as an effeminate man in itself… Second, an effeminate man whose disposition is not like that. Rather, he is responsible for his behavior resembling women, their movements, their appearance, their speech, and mimicking their presentation. This is blameworthy as has come in the authentic traditions cursing him… As for the first type, he is not cursed.”
>>42068652there are no non-HRT trannies only pre-HRT trannies.thats crossies
>>42068676AHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAH
>>42068140>r/StraightTransGirls is full of meta-attracted AGP pretending to be HSTS.Just like this board lol
>>42068677There are non-HRT trannies and those are trannies who either got surgery and stopped hormones for some reason or those who have medical issues that prevent them from taking hormones.
>>42068676what coping dumbass thought this was a W lmaoo
>>42068693The point is that there being two types of feminine men has been known about literally for centuries. Blanchard didn't invent it. Ovesey and Person didn't invent it. Fisk didn't invent it. Hirschfeld didn't invent it.
>>42068676>monks attempt to not justify boyfucking: islamic edition
>>42067535>this is what constitutes "research" in sexologylmao
>>42068706>There are the good Xs and the bad XsEvery time
>>42068676this only proves that blanchardism is based on stupid ""common sense"" stereotypes, not that "even le ancients knew"
>>42068706sir you are referencing documents that came from the same era where people where murdered for this behavior. how retarded do you have to be to think "cute" twoman and "ugly" twoman is scientific like ahahahah like how long did you spend crafting this intricate cope to paint yourself as one of the good ones
>>42068717imagine he was straight jorking it the whole time he was "researching" tranny prostitution adds.
>>42068706it also seems to prove that the typology is 1. pretty, what i want to fuck2. ugly, what i don't want to fuck (also demonic or something)
>>42069234incelbros were right. can we finally collectively agree that it has always been only about looks?
>>42067716Scientists have to use evidence but sexology isn't science.Psychologists are a bunch of people pretending their internal biases about other people are fact. It's why none of their studies are replicable.Sexologists are just fetishists pretending to be psychologists.>>42067600Did he ever even entertain the concept that someone could be physically feminine but still attracted to women?
Because heterosexual women appear to the male gaze and a women’s beauty is based mostly on her ability to attract a man. Blame the patriarchy and your internalized sexism
>>42069341>Did he ever even entertain the concept that someone could be physically feminine but still attracted to women?It's rare but it does happen. No more than 2% of males with HSTS-level femininity.
>>42068768>stupid ""common sense"" stereotypesThey're true tho.
>>42069653Love coming on here and being told I basically don't exist.>4'11.5" because short parents>no evidence of GH deficiency>voice never dropped>narrow shoulders proportionate with hips>behaviorally feminine enough that my family called it out>brother thought I was gay>mom actually debated my gender identity with herself in front of me>in the late 90s/early 00s>trooned laaaaaaate>male failed consistently 10 months in>exclusively attracted to women (and I guess sufficiently feminine beings)
>>42072117Except I wrote that extremely feminine males who are attracted to women do exist. Quite the persecution complex you've got there, short stuff.
>>42067535theyre more likely to kill themselves when they dont make ti
>>42072433Not every reply is complete disagreement. Why do you assume everything is a fight?
>>42072775Because it is, here?
>>42068068>there are two types of people: good people and bad people
>>42068169low T hsts should be discouraged from transitioning as they fuck things up politically for the ugly ones that have a stronger medical need by making people think they should all pass well
>>42072433>why do you have such a persecution complex in the blanchardism thread where people are insisting it is the most correct model while excluding you
>>42072842Nobody thinks that though. They think passing is impossible.
>>42072842have you considered just killing yourself?
>>42067535they don't anymore, think it was never universally true outside of US too just like there were countries with different FtM to MtF ratios
