If you carefully selected only the most feminine acting gay boys, and gave them estrogen and vaginoplasties by age 11 and socially transitioned them at age 9 and just made it all seem like a normal thing for a feminine boy to do in order to participate in the normal world, would they really even experience any backwards dysphoria?Assume they got to socialize in groups with other fem gay boys undergoing transition so they weren't alone in it.
>if you carefully rape and mutilate small children-
>>42071405if you give them srs then whats even the point of doing this
>>42071432you are improving them so they fit better into society
>>42071405>would they really even experience any backwards dysphoria?See the David Reimer case.The answer is yes.The selection method will always be imperfect.Doing this systemically would literally be systematic harm against children. It's a terrible idea.t. tranny
>>42071568David Reimer wasn't fem...he wasn't selected on the basis of him being overtly gay or fem, he was a botched circumcision case, AND he was sexually abused by his therapist. You are ignoring the specificity of my premise for a single generic example, offered uncritically.
>>42071405https://voca.ro/11NtUibUlI02
>>42071405my predictions: if all you did was give them estrogen, there'd be a pretty high rate of rejection of the treatment but a greater portion of them would choose to stay on it than would choose to get on HRT of their own volition had you done nothing. i don't know how much more, it would depend on your exact selection criteria.>and vaginoplastiesalmost all of them would be severely harmed by this. even the ones who are actually trans who your selection method picked up by coincidence will want that to have been their own choice rather than forced on them as a child. forcing somebody into unnecessary major surgery for reasons that don't make any sense to them is going to have traumatic effects even if you ignore dysphoria.if you did this, one of the boys would kill you when he was old enough to understand what you did to him, and you would deserve it
>>42071684what if it wasn't just estrogen it was wraparound therapy like you socialized them with females, taught them to do makeup, groom in a female way, gave them laser on their body/facial hair etc.
>>42071405actually pretty close to me facially but she bodymogs me like crazy
>>42071796you don't really see her body clearly...
>>42071568david reimer is literally a tboy.
>>42071823it really doesn't take much to bodymog me
>>42071834>is
>>42071602It's also because everyone and their dog knows about the typology these days, and that for various reasons HSTS is considered "good trans" and AGP is considered "bad trans," so lots of AGPs will force themselves to sleep with men despite being attracted to women in order to label themselves HSTS and therefore "good trans."Although... sometimes it gets complicated, in that some of them are genuinely attracted to sleeping with men (but not to the men themselves), because sleeping with men feeds the AGP fantasy of being a woman, because women sleep with men, for the most part. That's meta-attraction.Then there are the bisexuals, who are genuinely attracted to both men and women, but upon examination they share a lot more characteristics with AGP than with HSTS, so they get classified as AGP.Neither HSTS nor AGP are more "really women" than the other, if you ask sexologists. They're all biological males. The typology is just a correlation between sexual orientation and transition outcome i.e. how well each group tends to pass, with HSTS tending to pass better than AGP. But trans women don't like being called AGP because they feel it implies they're "not real women," just men attracted to the idea of being a woman. Well, HSTS aren't "real women" according to the typology either.But little "HSTS" kids crying about their dysphoria (hatred of male physical characteristics is always AGP) plays better in the media.
>>42073063HSTS are more women than AGPs are.
>>42071959yiiiikes
>>42071405probably, I'm pretty sure those super feminine boys like their dicks more than the worst jeep trannies like myself
>>42074250yeah but the kind of guys who they like don't like people with dicks so it's the wrong genital to have if you like men
>>42073063have you ever considered that the fact you believe in this Blanchard shit and make it about not being heterosexual enough is the reason why you don't try to pass
>>42071405look when you say "boy" people are going to fight you because obviously "boys" aren't "trans girls" and don't want a female body, but the reality is that regardless of semantics, most "feminine acting gay boys", are just trans girls in disguise..personally I think in a just world this would be screened for and taken seriously when anyone says they'd rather be the other gender. and nobody would hide it because everybody would take it seriously. it would be considered child abuse to withhold medical treatment. everybody would understand that this just happens to 0.1% of people and needs to be treated now lest they experience significant trouble as adults (as does in fact happen). (in such a world the question would hardly make sense-nobody would know what a "feminine acting gay boy" is because the framing would be entirely different)alas instead we torture transgender children and act like we're doing them a favor before blaming them for growing into traumatized adults
>>42071405I think it's fair to point out that the left photo is her at 16 and the photos on the right are her at 33. They didn't start transitioning until their late 20's.
>>42075982The actual rate of "too feminine to make it as a man" is 1 in 30,000.You can't know which ones they are until after puberty, because they can make it as men if puberty works fine.
>>42078453i'm thinking it's more a mental thing and it's not something a puberty will fix (it will only hurt) and i think it's closer to 0.1% those numbers are from a gatekeeping era
>>42078530Gatekeeping was good. Kept out the hons and the fetishists.The ones who actually need to transition get partially blocked puberties naturally. You can make it as a man if you reach Tanner 5. Not so much if you get stuck at Tanner 3.
>>42077080>they
>>42071405You mean like jazz?
>>42077080Did this person actually transition google just says they were a child actor who played a fem fag
>>42079869yes, they never acted again and someone found them and they had since transitioned and married a pooner
>>42079890prolly got groomed by Hollywood baka
>>42071405I don't think it would work because they would always feel inferior to natural born girls. Would be far better just to be in a gay guy and like yourself for the way you were born, rather than rejecting yourself
>>42079946>cis women treat gay men as well as they treat natural born girls and see them as equals
>>42079949I agree with you completely
>>42071405Yes. Because hussies become fujos and often detrans due to it. Hussies are not dysphoric and are equivalent to gaydens. Start them young enough and they WILL poon out to be yaoi bois.That said, if we did this with feminine shy jeeps it would 100% work
