I am beginning to accept that there are always going to be passoids in these kind of spaces. That the misery and suffering of being a tranny is so great that even being in the top 1% of them is still worthy enough to use this decrepid space. But please. If you're reading this. Have mercy on us. Don't be snarky or cruel. Remember the suffering you felt and feel and remember we feel it much greater than you. And don't comment on this thread or talk me if you can manage it. One day we will be free.
>>42073218I’m a passoid and I am NEVER cruel to anyone just because they don’t pass. It’s really awful to do.
>>42073279>And don't comment on this thread or talk me if you can manage it
Another thing can passoids aslo not bait like this https://boards.4chan.org/lgbt/thread/42072941#bottom
>>42073289I disregarded that part because I will not let your bitterness about my mere existence limit what I am compelled and able to do. Sorry.
>>42073311>Don't be snarky or cruelpassoids are all the same why did i make this post
>>42073311also im not even bitter im saying i realize that you suffer as well and need these kinds of spaces as well but can you be nice to non-passoids. like??? reading comprehension
>>42073289nta but i think it is sort of unfair to make assumptions and generalizations about a group of people and expect them to not want to clarify or elsewise respond to it.....for example i am here because i really think it can be a fun place. it does not have to be miserable or depressing. i killed most of my brainworms years ago and now have returned to post because i enjoy talking to others about life. about what clothes they like (i cannot dress myself for shit lol) or how it's been having srs (i want srs) or what they do for work or like to read or play for games. how much they love their stuffed animals and what sorts of music they listen to. i think that life as a transgender person can be really beautiful and i will refrain from detailing that here because it does feel a bit insensitive but op i really do want you to know that it is not all misery. there is light and goodness here, even if we don't all get to see it. and i truly wish we all did. i'm certainly not perfect myself, but i am okay. i wish for you the same contentment (and even joy!!!) i have found in life. love to you <3
>>42073340how tall are you
>>42073318I wasn’t snarky or cruel at all.>>42073325Why are you acting as if I’m victimizing you by posting?
>>42073218Most "passoids" here don't actually pass. They wouldn't post desperate requests for validation if they did. They wouldn't obsess over their body measurements if they did.
>>42073359im saying its weird to comment and say im bitter when desu im rly not. im not a victim as well. it came off to me as snarky i couldd be reading into this too much.
>>42073340those were my intentions as well (except i can dress myself now, after a loooong learning curve)But in a month i realized that it's far worse than it used to be. Enshitification has hit this board too.Damned if we do, damned if we don't.If we want to help others, we're bad. If we don't offer guidance, we're also bad for gatekeeping.I'll get back to my normal boring passoid life.
>>42073383dumb take. have u even used this board before. look at any of the prominent posters here
>>42073398Yes I have, and the "passoids" are mid at best.
>>42073390how tall are you
>>42073350nonny that's not the point :( shorter than you, i assume, based on the question, and i hope you'll believe me when i tell you i'm sorry. i'm taller than my country's average by a few inches, though. i'm not trying to say that everyone gets to have a perfect problem-free life someday. my life is so far from both of those things, believe me. but i reject your premise that everyone here is miserable and sad and i want you to know that those things are not inherent to existence as a transgender person. you didn't ask, but i still don't love my body. i feel much better about it than i did years ago, but it is extremely triangular, and that's not dysmorphia. i'm talking not just shoulders but ribs, even, wider than my hips. but i have learned to be okay. i am not the beautiful narcissist you imagine, and i hope you will believe the things i'm saying are written with kindness and in good faith. i wish i could project the love i feel directly into you.>>42073390yeah....though in some ways i think it is better, here. people used to be much more cruel and mean to each other when i used to post. now there are many more niceposters (although there is also much more bait). glad you've learned to dress yourself, lol. hopefully i get there soon.
>>42073429just answer the question :sob: i live in asia and im tall in here but prob not the us. also >shorter than youis so snarky :sob:
>>42073340you didnt kill your brainworms you just began to pass you smug bitch
is it stolen valor if i wrote this post and im only 2 months hrt and i've malefailed twice.
>>42073218there has definitely been a big demographic shift towards a more chuddy and masculine type of personso saying 'passoid' or that such a person will alway exists in such spaces and so on is a lil odd, it seems like most genuine ppl have been pushed out so I would take everything w/ a pinch of salt, most ppl can pass, the bar is relatively low, just like anyone can say they don't pass or draw red lines over their face and ramble on some black pill pseudoscience
>>42073444oh wow look! another bitterhon being a complete bitch to a passoid. and you all wonder why we can’t fucking stand your kind. no matter how nice or understanding we are to you, you attack us and abuse us and out us because your souls are as ugly as your Neanderthal faces. fucking nasty jealous bitter hideous bitches.
>>42073482i should never have made this post. i attracted them like flies to rotting meat
snew?
>>42073482this is abusive DARVO trolling
>>42073441not meant to be snarky; i'm sorry. but if you're Asian perhaps i'm not shorter. you just seemed insecure and i didn't want to make it worse by giving you a number to hurt yourself with. i still don't want to tell you because it's still not the point. i'm sorry for the way it came across, though, really.>>42073444i'm going to be real with you i always passed. or at least was never misgendered (covid (so facemasks) and liberal school). but i am telling you i was so deeply depressed about my body and about pitypassing and about the idea that i could never be loved or love myself as a normal woman that i could barely think. it consumed every waking thought. i had terrible brainworms and getting myself off this board did help a lot. it was not beginning to pass but learning to love myself as i am (and maybe "love" is still a strong word, but i like me) that healed me. i'm sorry if i come across as tone-deaf; i had really hoped to not.>>42073482this really isn't productive, either. people are hurting. i don't mind because i know that it isn't personal...i think we could all do with being kinder to one another. you don't have to take abusive language but there is no need to return it.
>>42073519the irony of accusing me of DARVO is that we can literally read the thread and see what hons do to passoids every time. treat us like shit for thriving and then get mad and lie about us starting shit with them when we fire back. you always fucking do this. unbelievable.
>>42073526its doing me more harm not knowing than it is knowing. please just tell me. or at least tell me ur hrt starting age.
>>42073530just because we’re ugly doesnt mean we’re so poorly socialized we cant see what youre doing and it also doesnt mean we have to take it
>>42073534i'm 5'7" and started as soon as i could, when i turned 18, if it will really make you feel better, but i don't see how it could. comparing things you can't change about yourself to others is not productive, nona. it is the thief of joy. please remember that.
>>42073537anyone with eyes can read the thread and see what hons do: hurl animosity at passoids out of jealous rage, then cry that they’re the victim when passoids fire back. crybullys. THIS is why i avoid hons, not because of your appearance but because of your toxicity and hostility
>>42073553>"don't be jealous of the fact that i get to pass and you don't teehee"
>>42073557i know youre probably cackling to yourself but you actually are just a bitch being rude to ugly women
>>42073557as an intershit I'm gonna side with the hons. youngshit passoids are smug, catty, and just not fun to be around
>>42073557can you two please stop fighting.>>42073553im the same height. how odd
>>42073563you dont get to get away with being nasty to passoids just because you don’t pass.
>>42073598have yall never heard of punching up vs down? theres a difference stealing 500 dollars from elon musk and and a single mom
>>42073606double standards means no standard at all
>>42073616thats not what that means and it seems like yes, you have not heard of the difference between punching up and down.
>>42073606passoids aren’t stealing from you or oppressing you, dumbfuck. your jealous, bitter mind may think so, but passoids came into the thread offering support and you nasty, evil bitches started shit. you do this every. single. time. then claim some special right to be cruel. fuck off, stupid bitch
>>42073619it is what that means
>>42073622i think you have the wrong person bc i actually am not jealous nor bitter. and im actually starting to pass. my point was that... i dont have a point im just tired and lonely and want to talk to some peeps. sorry please be nice to me
>>42073560it's not about that. jealousy is normal. i'm jealous of people more beautiful than me all the time. but i recognize that it does me no good to dwell on those thoughts and that i have to love myself as i am, weird torso and all. big-knuckled fingers and all. broad shoulders and all. i'm not sure there is anything i can say that will be interpreted well and i should probably stop posting but i hope you will understand me. the whole point of what i was saying in the first place is that this place does not need to be miserable. i come here to talk to nice people about things i like.>>42073584i'm very sorry nona :( please forgive my tactlessness but i am really not sure what to say. i hope that you will someday heal. >>42073572seconding this post, also. this thread does make me sad. i know that it's hippy-dippy and stupid to come here and say that we should all hold hands and sing Kumbaya but this conversation is so not productive. i think that it could be if we were kinder to each other. there is a good discussion to be had about how different experiences color the perceptions and interactions of posters on the board but this is not the way to have it. i feel sort of responsible for this and impotent to fix it. i'm sorry op.
>>42073654> jealousy is normal. i'm jealous of people more beautiful than me all the timeto play devils advocate here. the difference between being jealous of a pretty woman and being jealous of a passing woman. one is being jealous of a completely different life and experience. the other is being jealous of something marginally better.
>>42073673this is true. but i still don't think it does friends any good to compare bone measurements like height as if they're something they can change. but maybe that's also narrow-minded and tone-deaf; it doesn't seem like i'm very good at this.in any case, you are right about that. it was not the best thing to say and i should have considered it further before posting.
>>42073698how tall are you doe... (i lied im not 5'7 im 5'8.5 i pray togod ill be 5'7 after ive been on 1-2 years of mones)
>>42073403169cm (5'6''??? idk, i'm not american)
>>42073429>though in some ways i think it is better, here. people used to be much more cruel and mean to each other when i used to post. now there are many more nicepostersi couldn't disagree more.The useful mean (but smart) posters are gone. The hugboxers are dumber than ever.>glad you've learned to dress yourselfThe learning curve was almost 7 years. And that's with close and patient friends lol
>>42073734im convinced passoids don't exist above 5'8
love that no one listened to me when i said >And don't comment on this thread or talk me if you can manage it. also>Remember the suffering you felt and feel and remember we feel it much greater than you.
>>42073708omg were you serious about this >>42073447not "stolen valor" but a little silly, yes...allow yourself time and space to grow. it took me four years to be okay enough with myself to put on a dress without wanting to die.anyhow i personally lost about an inch due to pelvic tilt or ligament relaxation or whatever and i'm pretty sure that happened within the first year or shortly thereafter.>>42073734i'm a centimeter taller; it's 5'7" or just about.>>42073743honestly nonny i don't find that i disagree with many "hugboxers" here, though i don't often interact with stuff like passgen or is-it-over threads, so maybe i don't see. before, though, i would see people absolutely rip each other apart over what i perceived to be nothing at all. girls who could have passed to me as cis being told they had no hope because their zygomata were half a centimeter too proximal or whatever. but again, i don't look at that stuff so maybe i dunno what i'm talking abouti'm over five years now myself and still haven't figured anything out re: fashion....but i've been focusing all my energy on getting through school for most of them. now that i'm a Real Adult i hope to get with it as quickly as i can. i'm mostly friendless but i know what i like, i think. i just have no wardrobe and don't know how to wear nice clothes without feeling overdressed lol.
>>42073771imagine making a thread and expecting that people don’t reply to it just necause you said sohave you tried to not act like a retard
>>42073806it was a nice idea. and i was asking passoids not to specifically...
>>42073771>>42073819genuinely sorry about this; i hadn't expected to be posting here so much.but like i said, it's hard to feel so misrepresented and not want to explain my thoughts or perspective. i hope at the very least that i have not hurt anybody by posting here
>>42073838u were nice if i think you are who i think. idk desu i was just lonely anyone talking to me is good. even if its someone saying im a neverpassing ogrehon
>>42073793>and don't know how to wear nice clothes without feeling overdressed lolI only got better once I internalized a friend's message to the heart.The message was: "for fuck's sake, nona, I grew up as a girl and still wasn't trying as hard. you'll be fine."And the way to internalize it was to just say "fuck it, good enough for government work" and followed by basically nobody giving af.It was part of the long process of internalizing that i really don't have to perform femininity. Just dress age-appropriate and... that's literally it.Trouble is that I can't wear my favorite skirts during winter. Living in Europe comes with the downside of winters being quite harsh.In January, in particular, even the sweetest cis girls are boymoding haha.
>>42073870do you have a home general? i used to post exclusively in /bmg/ back in the day when that was a realer thing. seems like most people just sort of talk about anything in those threads. maybe you would find something fun to talk about :) i was posting in enbygen for a while too when that was a thing over the summer. now i sort of just float around>>42073940lol my brother makes me feel this way. he's so well-dressed (for a teenager with a skater aesthetic) that it makes me insecure about what i wear. i'm not so sure that i feel i don't try hard enough, though; i mostly tomboymode and do not care (or know how) to perform femininity...it's more that i do not know how to try at all. i'm sure that will come with time, though. and probably nicer clothes :pwould it help maybe if you wore some warm stockings with your skirts? i guess i don't know where in Europe you are but where i'm at i've been okay in single-digits Fahrenheit with just dresses and no legwear at all. i do wear shorts under my dresses, though; maybe that makes a difference.
