>>42075077
There will be homophobes regardless of optics. They hate the queers just as much as they hate the “normal” lgbt people.

>>42075099
You are outliers and you cannot demand acceptance it just leads to another homosexual shoah as it has as you are kvetching about it

>>42075099
But I think that homophobia would be lesser
>>42075108
>Shoah
>Kvetch
??

the gayest mfers out there put on a regular outfit once and they're like "bro i'm cured"

>>42075119
I’ve been outwardly queer and outwardly normal in social situations, it’s the same homophobia either way. Not saying that we should all be steven universe queers but you’re gonna get called a slur at the bar either way.

>>42075108
Schizomaxxing?

>>42075077
yep. basically every one of us who doesnt go off the rails and/or troon out will capitulate to heteronormativity at some point because until you do you are essentially subjecting yourself to the open loathing of heterosexuals, most of whom arent self aware enough to even know theyre doing it.

the promise of gay acceptance is a lie, theres only the closet and the price for living outside of it.

>>42075099
dont underestimate the power of straightpassing, its a survival tactic that we use for a reason. individual situations will vary but as a general rule perception is your biggest lever in terms of securing safety.

>>42075108
theres no demand of acceptance to be made. they are not, never have, and never will tolerate us. theres only dominance, and we are a remarkably weak minority for our numbers. the LGBT movement unironically needs an equivalent of the black panther org.

>>42075077
AMERICA
does not have a GAY PROBLEM
it does not have a TRANS PROBLEM
it has a BIMBO PROBLEM

>>42075200
>never will tolerate us.
Plenty of women are fine with gays

>>42075221
Cis women view gay men as their pets.

>>42075251
Not at all
They're quite well assimilated in some friends groups

>>42075221
on a surface level, yes. they like gays when gays are something over there, a thing that comes with no imposition on their sense of reality, their personal life, or their family. they dont like gays when they start taking hormones, or start making demands for the most base forms of social dignity afforded to heterosexuals, or demand to not be subjected to the compulsory heterosexualisation they experienced as children, or, god forbid, threaten their emotional dependency on them as sons by refusing to act out heterosexuality.

>>42075251
There is some truth to this statement

>>42075077
i think a lot of the fem gays just naturally grow out of it when they get older honestly and it's been the case for a while. i'm 29 and i was friends with some other fem twinks when i was in my early 20s, a couple of us transitioned but the ones who didn't all grew into regular masc gay guys by 25ish. i guess people grew up and got actual corporate jobs and went through second puberty and the appeal of being fem diminished in contrast with the upkeep and potential consequences.

>>42075558
how much do you feel its down to the latter rather than the former?

>>42075587
the latter and former of what, sorry? i'm not sure which part of my post you're talking about.

>>42075631
>>42075558
>and the appeal of being fem diminished in contrast with the upkeep and potential consequences.
this bit

>>42075662
well i guess it's an equal dose of both really? like being a fem gay is fun when you're in your early 20s and a college student and you don't really have to worry about seeming professional or dealing with work colleagues who may not be totally onboard with lgbt things, but you have to grow up eventually. i'm sure getting more masculine as you age plays a role too, like again when you're young it's fine but then suddenly you're 23 and your hairline is receding and your body hair is getting thicker and i guess to some guys it makes sense to lean into it. personally i could cope somewhat with being a "boy" but once i saw the signs of actual adult manhood creeping in - and also once i had my first professional job and saw that there just wasn't really a place for the fun fem twink in that environment the way there was to an extent in university or in my retail jobs surrounded by cis girls - i realised i didn't want to become that person so i transitioned.

>>42075791
you didnt want to be that person, or you felt like the ability to be that person was being taken away from you? dont get me wrong im very sympathetic to the whole "masc up because you have to" line of thinking, but i do feel like to a great extent its something of a product of constant low level abuse rather than an active desiring choice or a form of natural self expression.

>>42075791
>>42075822
sorry, i should elaborate on this. when we say "masc up" nobodys talking about becoming a leather daddy, or a gay macho bear, were talking about straightpassing. that i think is the key issue here that makes it feel not so much of a choice but rather a capitulation to abuse and pressure.

>>42075853
>>42075822
yeah you might have a point. like honestly it's been six years since i made the decision to go on HRT and i pretty quickly malefailed and then i just moved, changed my name, got surgery to look more feminine and never really thought about who i was before. this is the first time i have really discussed any of this in earnest, so forgive me if some of my analyses seem shallow and i am by all means open to discussion.
>i do feel like to a great extent its something of a product of constant low level abuse rather than an active desiring choice or a form of natural self expression
you might be right. low level abuse and perhaps also trauma too. i grew up in a pretty homophobic environment and definitely some of the things i internalised growing up never went away. when i got a bit older the messaging from my family was still there but it swapped from "don't do that because it's faggy" to "aren't you getting a bit old for that", "isn't it time you grew up and thought about your career", etc. so yeah this is definitely a very real thing.

>>42076063
i couldnt help but think about it when i went on HRT. something felt very wrong not so much about me taking HRT, but the whole circumstance surrounding it. i ultimately came to the concluding that heterosexual society is fundamentally hostile to what i am, has been since i was a child, has no intention of leaving me any room, and has no desire to do anything other than cover its tracks in response to criticism over it.

at low weights i started malefailing to cis women at work, but then i gained weight to fatmaxx and most of it went to male places. in spite of that i get gendered female by my new workmates even when im not around (i dont claim to be female and have expressed that i consider myself a gay male multiple times). while i got fired from my last job for trooning out and the hostility to me is far more open than it was before, i do feel like transitioning has made my life a good bit easier. like, somehow not passing but still being distinctly gay makes people want to shove you into the box of "female" and thereby alleviate some of the bs that gets lumped on you as a gay male.

>>42075077
>reject faggotry, embrace masculinity
>embrace masculinity
>does nothing but whines on X
Performative masculinity. Real masculine men don't care because they're too busy working manual labor jobs, or having sex with their partner.

>>42075077
no. i waited until people were consistently gendering me female to tell my family i was trans & dressed very conservatively after coming out, and they still made "put the lotion in the basket" jokes at thanksgiving lol. people who view LGBT as freaks are going to do so no matter what. and by extension LGBT people are not responsible for the hate they receive.

>>42075791
story of my life tbhon. became a masc gay guy in 20s due to twink death + entering the workforce but eventually realized i hated being that person and trooned out

>>42076400
Me except my early 20s were completely obliterated by COVID and health issues so I didn't even get to enjoy being a femgay before twinkdeath.

>>42075077
dude looks great and also like some normal guy to have a beer with instead of some weird fruity star wars character

>>42075077
There's no such thing as normal and they will never accept you as such. They don't want you to exist

>David Leather
As if straights aren't totally disgusted by this goofball & call him a fag disease vector behind his back