>>42099919
Indifference is how I repped, eventually. But as I began to try and get more in touch with my body I began to feel more repulsed by it like how I was growing up.

>>42099919
how would you feel if you had tits and a pussy?

Why do you care? You seem too inwardly focused just do things and stop thinking things

>>42099919
You just have NPD

>>42099943
How can I know? Maybe I'd like it, maybe I'd hate it, maybe I'd feel just as indifferent. Trying to imagine anything doesn't really let me know what I'd realistically feel

>>42099989
do you ever look at other people and think "i wish i looked like them"? are they men or women?

>>42099951
>Why do you care?
Because my life feels completely hollow, and I'm desperately trying to figure out ways to improve it. I've tried more or less anything as a regular guy, and nothing ever really felt fulfilling, and now I'm trying to figure out whether being a man might've been the issue.
>You seem too inwardly focused just do things and stop thinking things
You are right about this. I'm trying to live less inside my own head, but at this point I feel so detached from everything that it feels like I have no other place to observe the world from

>>42100021
>do you ever look at other people and think "i wish i looked like them"?
I guess? It's pretty sporadic and it always feels vain, since that only really happens when seeing good looking people
>are they men or women?
Mostly androgynous women

>>42099919
Of course Anon, surely you are built different (incorrectly) and can rep til death...

>>42100416
I've never said that. I don't even know whether I'm repping in any way, or just am just a severely anhedonic guy. Trying to figure this out shouldn't be this difficult, I feel like though

>>42099919
yes, because you don't have dysphoria, you actually have dysphoria
that's just how it works, so take your meds

>>42100543
How does that make any sense? If I don't have dysphoria, I just don't have dysphoria, right? I just can't tell whether I'm dysphoric or not, since I'm indifferent

>>42100722
that's the joke, friend
it's a play on a recently encountered grooming character in online spaces
im sorry of it was too oblique

>>42100722
well no not really, your brain is just protecting you, there's something wrong if you feel that way. It might be Dysphoria or it could be a number of other things. If your post here for attention here, you come off here as dysphoric.
take your meds

>>42100844
checked, this is nonsense, btw
indifference towards gender is the default of cissies

>>42099919
take your pills alice

>>42100844
So a cis person wouldn't normally be indifferent about the sex they are? It all just feels so arbitrary to me

>>42099919
non troons dont feel anything about their body with respect to sex in the biological sense in particular, its just their body
they like/dislike aspects of it but not for being distinctly male/female, hence why non troons cant relate/even begin to imagine what it is to experience dysphoria regarding your sexual characteristics, insecurity regarding their own body is normal but they arent sitting around feeling legitimate disgust at their sex characteristics
the real question is why are you here asking this? it would imply on some level you feel the need to question your own sex, why is that? note that its not uncommon for reppers to severely disassociate as a coping mechanism for dealing with sincere distress regarding their own body, but if the only reason youre here is because you dont "love" your sex characteristics i dont think that means much in particular

>>42101001
Cis people fluctuate about how they feel about themselves, feeling indifferent is weird.

>>42101093
>it would imply on some level you feel the need to question your own sex, why is that?
I've only started to question my own sex because I had a dream where I was a woman, and it was the first time I felt truly alive in about a decade, despite having never thought about being a woman otherwise. There is also nothing pointing towards me being trans, except that the prospect of living my whole life as a man is highly unappealing and even dreadful, but I can't tell whether that stems from dysphoria or from general apathy and incompetence.
>you dont "love" your sex characteristics i dont think that means much in particular
Exactly. I'm feel genuinely no distress because of my sex characteristics, but I also don't feel anything positive in regards to them. I wish I could feel something positive, but it feels like my own brain won't let me appreciate what I have. At most I can appreciate them in a pragmatic manner, but I don't actually feel anything in regards to them

Stop trying to force discomfort into your life.

>>42101203
>I wish I could feel something positive, but it feels like my own brain won't let me appreciate what I have.
regarding sex or life in general? assuming this isnt a mid tier larp you sound disassociated on some level but also not expressly depressed, more that smth is missing than something is categorically wrong, i really couldnt tell you that you are or arent dysphoric
when you say living your life as a man is dreadful on a conceptual level to what extent is the aspect of "man" a deciding factor in this? is this more a fear of aging (a natural fear that isnt particular to troons) or explicitly aging as a man? do you feel you would be happier and live a more fulfilling life as a woman, and namely an aging woman at that? if so, why do you believe that? to what extent might those feelings be based on your perception of gender roles (i would be happier as a woman because women experience stronger social bonds on average, etc.)? do you have adhd, ever seen a therapist? if you dont mind me asking, age?

>>42101278
>regarding sex or life in general?
Both. Even if I imagine a perfect life as a man, it all feels hollow and undesirable. My life currently isn't bad at all, but I feel completely unable to appreciate it at all, mostly because I barely feel like it is my life to begin with.
>mid tier larp
It isn't a larp, but if it were, it would be an awful one.
>not expressly depressed
There probably hasn't been a single day where I didn't think about suicide ever since I was about 14
>than something is categorically wrong
I've never really felt human (I'm not autistic)

>to what extent is the aspect of "man" a deciding factor in this?
It might actually be *the* deciding factor, but I can't really tell whether that's the case or not. I just can't really imagine ever coming around to liking it after already having given it a proper chance.
>explicitly aging as a man?
Probably this, but it's hard to properly tell. I still don't have much facial hair for example, and I can't tell whether I will just get used to it or not.
>do you feel you would be happier and live a more fulfilling life as a woman, and namely an aging woman at that?
I've no clue, and I'll still be a trans women if I were to transition, which is different than being a cis woman. I feel like I can't know by just imagining it, because I lack any meaningful perspective.
>based on your perception of gender roles
Probably very little, since I explicitly dislike most gender roles and would avoid them in general.
>do you have adhd, ever seen a therapist?
Never got diagnosed with anything, except depression, but I also didn't manage to land a long term therapist yet
>age?
21

>>42101533
>Probably very little, since I explicitly dislike most gender roles and would avoid them in general.
id argue its not that simple and in practice you are socialized as a male and have a variety of conceptualizations regarding gender/sex/roles the same as anyone else but arent necessarily aware of them; regardless you glossed over the severe depression/suicidal ideation part and seem to be fishing to some extent for a diagnosis of trans (not that a retard on the internet such as myself could ever "diagnose" you in any capacity), my own question is why do you seem intent on recognizing the cause as relating to sex? this feels like either some awareness youre repressing feelings regarding severe dissatisfaction with your role in society at large as a man or gender ocd
you seem like someone trying to fill some hole in yourself in some manner and this almost sounds like someone dealing with cptsd given the suicidal since a teenager thing; if you want smth more actionable you might seriously consider trying to work towards treating long term depression and if youre particularly bold and feel you have nothing to lose you could try ordering a vial of E and doing diy for 2-3 weeks, long enough youd get at least some semblance of how it might make you feel but short enough it wont leave lasting impacts on your physiology should you decide to quit
you should probably seek therapy with someone who has experience in helping people identify whether or not theyre dysphoric, because you dont seem expressly dysphoric to me but that level of disassociation makes it difficult to to tell, i do appreciate you at least recognize youd be more of a tranny than a woman in the sense that you arent idealizing yourself as an anime girl like some sneedhon who think theyll start hrt and be a flawless passoid, so youve got at least some slightly more serious understanding of what being a troon would be

>>42099919
to my bottom surgeon, i described it as static. i didnt have an opinion of my face cuz i had a dick. i didnt have an opinion of my shoulders cuz i had a dick. everything's better now

>>42099919
Gender dysphoria is the feeling of not being happy in your gender. It's not this separate concrete real thing, like cancer or something. It's what we call the feeling. If you don't FEEL gender dysphoria then you don't have it, because all it is is a feeling.

>>42101533
oh and also on the topic of your age, if youre dealing with cptsd like i suspect you might be (difficult childhood?) now would be the time to try and work on that seriously before it eats your 20s away and leaves you a completely hollowed husk of a human being (speaking from experience as an elder zoomer), dont choose to sit on this and just do nothing for a few more years
time is more indifferent than it is your enemy but it certainly isnt your friend

>>42101779
smarty who knows whats up. unfortunate that its a wallotext but OP your answers are here

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>>42101878
anon you dork OP described gender dysphoria. they just dont have any concept of life without dysphoria.

there is still time

OP if you want a bad time watch I Saw The TV Glow and know that's the ending you're charging towards

>>42101978
No. Not feeling anything in relation to your sex is normal.

>>42101217
I wouldn't say I've ever felt comfort, just indifference

>>42101779
>seem intent on recognizing the cause as relating to sex?
It's basically a "last resort" type deal, since I've already tried plenty to make the most out of being a guy. From the day the question of whether I may be trans popped up in my mind, I've been basically constantly thinking about it, and nothing I've tried has given me any deeper clarity.
>gender ocd
I believe that's very unlikely, since I've personally talked with some people who've been officially diagnosed with ocd, and had a theme around gender, and our cases wildly differed. It's also very unlikely for me to have ocd to begin with.
>glossed over the severe depression/suicidal ideation part
True, but I feel like there not a lot to be said about that. I've had suicidal ideation for so long, that it genuinely surprised me when I found out that most "mentally healthy" people don't actually think about it daily. There's no concrete cause for it that I can point towards.
>someone dealing with cptsd given the suicidal since a teenager thing
It's not impossible, but still unlikely, because I've had a very easy childhood and can't recall any instances of abuse
>try ordering a vial of E and doing diy for 2-3 weeks
I've done this less than two months I've started questioning, and ever since I've tried hrt multiple times already. A bit over three months has been my longest trial, and my shortest just under a month.
Unfortunately trying out hrt didn't make me feel any difference at all, and even getting some breast growth hasn't impacted my indifference. I still don't know how I feel about the fact that I have had an irreversible amount of breast growth.

>>42101811
This is very relatable, except that I don't know what the source of my static actually is.

>>42101978
In what ways have I described gender dysphoria?
Also, should I watch the movie while high or on shrooms, or just sober?

>>42102058
Pretty sure even most cissoids would disagree. They seem to very much enjoy being the sex they are

>>42103616
for me it was the penis
>>42104243

>>42104243
your whole post is about gender dysphoria. watch "I Saw The TV Glow" NOW
>>42102058
no

>>42099919
Relatable. I sort of alternate between wanting to be a girl and feeling entirely neutral. I don't feel any type of way about my male body, except that it's a bit ugly. Maybe I'm just suffering dysmorphia.

>>42104546
>your whole post is about gender dysphoria
What specifically? I really struggle to believe that I'm actually dysphoric if seeing my own body and face doesn't cause me any direct distress, and I've also no certainty that transitioning is even for me.
I'll watch "I saw the TV glow" asap I guess. I've been putting it off for months now, because I felt like it would just confirm that I'm really just cis

>>42104549
Sometimes I wonder whether all of this may be body dysmorphia for me as well

>>42104937
In my case, I'm not sure if it's because feminine features are popular now, or if I have a legitimate desire to be a girl.

>>42105446
In what way are they popular? That sounds just stupid

>>42099919
Indifference just means you're cis

>>42102058
>>42108671
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>>42101153
If cissoids fluctuate in how they feel about themselves, do they ever come to hate their sex like a tranny?

>>42099919
>I'm utterly indifferent about my body and self, and it makes figuring out whether I'm dysphoric impossible.
sounds like it makes figuring it out very easy

>>42110692
In what sense? Is it too greedy to wish that I could like my own body, instead of just being indifferent?

>>42107681
Androgyny is in right now. Hot men are men who adopt feminine traits. Hot women are women who adopt masculine traits. But it's a distinctly feminine kind of masculinity, like a tomboy who still has a nice pair of titties.

Feminine traits have always been seen as hotter than masculine ones tbdesu. It's just ramped up more now. Women are the ones expected to look hot, and always have been. Nobody cares what a man does.