Is worshiping Aphrodite as a tranny AGP?
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>>42107279No, in fact it's very trans coded, lots of syncretized variants of her had trans clergy and prophets
>>42107279Is there a reason you feel called to Aphrodite?Do you have any rituals in mind?
For me it's Dionysus which seems to be the AGP one. Aphrodite seems normal
>>42107580I just made this as a bait thread, I didn't expect an actual discussion lolBut yes, I am a Platonist and I worship the Gods. I have recently begun contemplating who my leader God is, that is, to whose series I belong, insofar as Proclus' theology outlines it best. I originally believed myself to belong to Athena. I've been through lots of trauma in my life and have always gravitated to warrior women, I think because of the inherent androgyny of the archetype. Athena helped inspire in me strength and wisdom to overcome my challenges. She also introduced me to philosophy proper and inspired me to worship the Gods. I've loved her for a long time, but I feel somewhat distant from her more calculated nature. I'm very analytical and intelligent, but I'm not as stern and detached as she is. I have recently been attracted to Aphrodite as I've begun to come out of my shell and live more femininely, since I'm farther along in transition now. I've come to realize that love and passion is what drives me the most in life. A love for learning, a love for my friends, a love for femininity, a love for art. I am also an incredibly sexual person, thanks to feeling more in tune with my body now. Not to mention, with BPD, my emotions are very intense. All this leads to me feeling as if I am actually more resonant with Aphrodite, and that I belong to her series. Like the other poster said, I also think me being trans has to do with this as well; I want to embody femininity as a higher, noetic concept. Aphrodite is also the mother of Hermaphroditus, who was depicted as a woman with a penis, and the Goddess herself had many depictions of herself with a penis which warded off evil and bestowed good luck. I think being transgender inherently means I am connected to her, that she is, symbolically, my mother, so to speak. I also quite like her progeny, our "ancestors" as Aphrodite worshipers, like Hermaphroditus and Aeneas.
>>42107618lol Unfortunately I have some knowledge and interesting in the ancient Mediterranean world, so I'm too autistic about this to recognize it as bait...When you say you're a Platonist, what do you mean?I have a personal theory that Athena started out as a more androgynous god before becoming the divine patron of Athens. I like the idea that one's patron deity can change as one's identity evolves. It sounds like Athena carried you to a greater understanding of yourself.
>>42107698>When you say you're a Platonist, what do you mean?I am an autodidact, studying Platonic philosophy. I am mostly interested in Plato, Plotinus, Iamblichus, and Proclus. I consider myself, officially, a "Hellenic Platonist", because I worship the Greek Gods. I chose the Greek in particular because the names and mythology and vocabulary associated with them aligns with that of the philosophy I consume. >that Athena started out as a more androgynous god before becoming the divine patron of AthensAbsolutely. The Orphic Hymn describes her as "male and female", and she is also very androgynous and subverts Greek masculine and feminine gender roles. She is both an agent of patriarchal dominion and order, but a maternal figure to both Athens and Erichthonios, and had several depictions as a more youthful and less bellicose figure. However, it's worth noting that Athena is also totally de-sexed. To see her or render her sexually is profane, as we know from mythology, she was born with clothes on even, and the masculine and feminine aspects of her are supra-sexual. Even the birth of Erichthonios was asexual, considering Hepaistos ejaculated onto her and he was born of the semen contacting her skin, not actual conception. >one's patron deity can change as one's identity evolvesPerhaps, although this isn't in line with Proclus' philosophy, in that a soul inherently belongs to a series. That aspect is immutable. However, as trannies, it's possible that such a patron can change not because our soul is changing, but because we are uncovering the truth of our souls after living a life that is antithetical to our souls. >It sounds like Athena carried you to a greater understanding of yourselfYes, I believe this is it. It was Athena who led me to philosophy in the first place. She is the mascot of philosophy, of course, and is Tritogeneia, born from the mind of Zeus, Demiurge, King of the Ordered Cosmos, so likewise represents ultimate Wisdom. So, it fits.
>>42107764>studying Platonic philosophyGood on you. My background is in early Christianity, and I have a monist view of reality, but I've picked up some Hellenic and Roman philosophy as a result of my New Testament studies. That said, I will have to look more at Proclus.>Orphic hymnI have long been interested in the connection between Orphic and Dionysian cults. I know the Orphic hymns are recorded later compared to Homer and Hesiod, but I suspect they were made much earlier than their recording.>born with clothes onNice catch. She was born fully formed and in armor. I suspect her androgyny in part because she was called "Pallas Athena," that is "girl Athena," so it had to be stipulated she was a girl, something that emerges long after her cult was established in Greece. I haven't noticed that with any other gods.
>>42108006>because she was called "Pallas Athena," that is "girl Athena,"I'm not sure if it means that exactly. Rather, "Pallas" has two conflicting origins. One states that he was a giant slain by Athena, and from his flesh was fashioned her aegis. The other tells that Pallas was a childhood friend of Athena's with whom she'd spar, and she accidentally killed him. In both versions, Athena is taking on the name of Pallas, which could point to a "masculinzing" of her. Pallas Athena is also the epithet most associated with the fully armored, war-leader portrayal of Athena, further supporting that claim. Where do you get the idea that it means "girl"? I've not heard that, although maybe I'm just misremembering.
>>42108006>I suspect they were made much earlier than their recordingAbsolutely. I'm not as educated on the Orphics, but I do recall hearing that the Orphic tradition predates Plato and the Pythagoreans, and the two schools of thought are heavily inspired by Orphism, which itself was essentially the first hardline mystical school emerging from Greek belief. Plato himself makes reference to the Mysteries and the Bacchants, so I believe Orphism does indeed predate Platonic philosophy.
>>42107279exceedingly so
>>42108034It is a sticky wicket. If we go to pallo, it means to brandish a spear; if we go to pallake, it means concubine. I prefer pallake, since it feels distinct from Athena Nike, victorious Athena, but I can't deny pallo makes sense as she had elements of a war god.https://www.etymonline.com/word/Pallashttps://www.theoi.com/Titan/TitanPallas.htmlhttps://www.theoi.com/Nymphe/NymphePallas.html>>42108055Any time something is recorded, you can assume it's a little older than that. I think the Orphics were an evolution on the ecstatic understanding in the Dionysians, both mystical to be sure, but that's my own theory. I need to put it together.
