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>>42121427

>trannies are just men
>refuses to let us die in war

>>42121469
The army has our backs at least. Gay men are too valuable to spend on wars

>>42121427
Not letting trans women serve in the military is literally genocide.

>>42121427
>armoids know everyone would get pozzed in the dont ask dont tell branch

Oh cool, now I get to hope against hope they drag their feet enough for me to finish my retraining and I can at least put that on my resume.

At least I'll finally be able to grow out my fucking hair

>>42121495
You think they value human life lol

>>42121469
>>42121495
>>42121658
>>42121715
>>42121718
It's not a ban on transgenderism, it's a ban on gender dysphoria, which is a metal condition that requires consent care. The amount of meds and surgical requirements, along with blood testing and non-deployablity due to this is simply to much for the military to bare. It's similar to a ban on type 1 diabetes or autism. Trump is simply following the science. It has nothing to do with transphobia and everything to do with safe guarding our nation.

>>42122641
>It's not a ban on transgenderism, it's a ban on gender dysphoria, which is a metal condition that requires consent care. The amount of meds and surgical requirements, along with blood testing and non-deployablity due to this is simply to much for the military to bare
oh no, not the medical bills for around 4k people! however will the US military pay for this? they only got 840 billion dollars last year, that's truly a pittance.

>>42122687
>4k people!
Officially, some numbers put it at 15,000. That's alot.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/27/us/politics/trans-troops-pentagon-figures.html

>However will the US military pay for this? they only got 840 billion dollars last year, that's truly a pittance.
So your in favor of wasteful spending?

Also getting people with a mental condition who are far more likely to commit suicide and pumping them up with hormones and having to have dozens of surgeries that severely weaken and alter their body doesn't sound like a good idea.

Nobody is saying trans people can't serve and serve honorably, what we want is that if you want to transition, you should do it after you leave the service.

>>42122745
>Nobody is saying cancer people can't serve and serve honorably, what we want is that if you want to get chemo, you should do it after you leave the service.

>>42122687
and they aren't discriminated against btw. They are given and honorable discharge, that is the best discharge you can get in the military. They are given double the benefits a normal retiring vet gets.

They can go serve as contractors or DOD civilian or something else. What they can't do, is serve in dangerous combat missions where we need the most lethal fighting force to fight our enemies.

>>42122745
>So your in favor of wasteful spending?
Ideally we would be taking all the money spent on our useless do-nothing military and spending it on healthcare and infrastructure, but I think that at the very least they can foot some fucking medical bills.

>>42122641
i was in the military as a trans person
you are not undeployable

>>42122756
The difference between this and say DADT is DADT was discriminatory and targeted LGB people on an immutable trait, something they were born with. Same with racial discrimination in the military or denying women combat roles.

Transitioning is something people CHOOSE to do. It is not an immutable trait. We spent 56 million gender affirming care in the USDoD from 2015-2024. That's alot over such a short period and only growing. Trump put a shot to trans people joining and simply getting free surgeries for being trans. Trump simply said "pay for your surgeries on your own dime." I'm sorry if that's offensive to some trans people, but that's just what we want.

>>42122783
>i was in the military as a trans person
Did you undergo SRS that the military was handing out for free? Cause that leads to 12 months un-deployablity right there.

>>42122641
You're out of your mind if you think blood tests are so essential you can't go on a 6 month deployment.

The medication requirements aren't even that high, except for T if you're FTM. The worst you might see is having to switch to sublingual with a 6 month supply for a deployment.

Also I don't know why the fuck you included me in this replay chain, I never said anything about reasons or Trump or transphobia.

Non-deployability is only an issue at the very start of HRT. Since the military requires you to wait on surgery anyway, non-deployability for that is also not an issue.

>>42122834
not an srsoid
im surprised you still know the nuance though and arent just speaking out your ass

>>42122776
>Ideally we would be taking all the money spent on our useless do-nothing military
With Russia and China increasing their military and preparing to take over the world?
Maybe look up what those countries do to trans people and come back to me.

>foot some fucking medical bills.
With good insurance, an SRS in the US costs about $3,000 dollars out of pocket. Sometimes completely free with charities and go fund mes.

>>42122860
>With Russia and China increasing their military and preparing to take over the world?
oh my god you are fucking 50 aren't you

>>42122824
saying you're gay and being open about it isn't an immutuable trait of being gay, its something people choose to do.

>>42122855
>You're out of your mind if you think blood tests are so essential you can't go on a 6 month deployment. The medication requirements aren't even that high, except for T if you're FTM. The worst you might see is having to switch to sublingual with a 6 month supply for a deployment.

Great, I'll go join and imminently require SRS and start getting on hormones. Sure i'll be non-deployable for 12-16 months and sure I'll have to go back to the doctors for complications and sure it leads to weaken bone structure, but hey at least we got equality!

>Since the military requires you to wait on surgery anyway, non-deployability for that is also not an issue.

That is not true. You can get it anytime you join. Why do you think Trump had to ban it? We had hundreds of SRS cases just in the last few years.

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>>42122885
>oh my god you are fucking 50 aren't you
Nah just someone who doesn't like Americans glossing over fascist authoritarian regimes who want to see us all dead.

>>42122890
>saying you're gay and being open about it isn't an immutuable trait of being gay, its something people choose to do.
you don't need surgeries and hormones to be gay.

and nobody is banned for saying "I am transgender". Nowhere can you be discharges for saying that in the military. That would be discrimination on gender preference.

>>42122856
>not an srsoid
This only applies to to those who transition who attempted transition due to the drugs / meds / non-deployment / mental health.

>>42121427
>giga uncs in this thread crying about troons not being allowed to go to war with russia or something
no tranny need to go to die in a war to maintain infinite neoliberal hegemony over the world

>>42122954
yea, instead we need Russia to take over the world. They treat trannies great and don't throw them off buildings.

>>42122945
im aware of probably more than you
but ill leave you be since you at least know the nuance and i should stop responding to the chud bait
the military can burn for all i care tbdesu

>>42122774
It's the fucking autist again.

>It's not discrimination to be fired because you can just get other jobs!
retard

Kill yourself you piece of human offal

>>42122978
>the military can burn for all i care tbdesu
You are either with America or you are with Russia and China. And it seems trannies have chosen to side with nations that kill them. Typical.

>>42122916
russia will invade itself faster than it will attack america you retard
>t. pole

>>42123010
Do you think people with autism diagnosis should join the military? People who had trouble speaking in public and could barely make friends or relationships?

Would you call that ableist?

>>42122901
>Great, I'll go join and imminently require SRS
This is a lie. The military will require you to wait for when it's convenient for them, so it'll be a time when they weren't planning to have you deploy for 12-16 months anyway.

Also lol, being brought strength wise towards cis women levels is literally a non-issue if cis women are allowed in. Currently you have to meet male fitness standards anyway, so if you're managing that it's clearly a non-issue.

>That is not true.
Yes it is

>You can get it anytime you join
No you can't.

>>42122901
>Sure i'll be non-deployable for 12-16 months
3-6 at best
>I'll have to go back to the doctors for complications and sure it leads to weaken bone structure
let's kick out all women from the military if that's your criteria

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>>42123035
>russia will invade itself faster than it will attack america you retard
Russia has always attacked us with cyber attacks and Russia/China/India axis is forming to take world the world. That is like 1/3 world's population and survive of the planet right there.

You'll be begging for America once LGBT get the Chechen and throw your ass off a building.

>>42123036
>People who had trouble speaking in public and could barely make friends or relationships?

Autistic people can do all of these things.

>>42123064
>n-noo, if you don't bow to my kike regime the big bad putin and his draft dodging drugged up hiv-ridden army will get youu give your money to israel and amerika you dumb tranny
geg

>>42123010
>It's not discrimination to be fired because you can just get other jobs!
It's not. No where does the word "transgender" appear in the documents. No one is being banned for that.

>>42123077
>Autistic people can do all of these things.
Funny considering I am one and I can confirm if I joined the military, it would have been that because that is exactly my childhood. So you are arguing for people with severe mental conditions into the military.

>>42123080
I'm sorry if you don't like America, but you can always leave to say Russia. They'll greet you with a nice trip up a building and throwing you off of it.

American and western hegemony is the only reason trannies are even allow to exist, but trannies are mentally suicidal and would rather support Russia that kills their kind.

>>42123099
Yes, autistic people can do all of these things. Autism is not a severe mental condition, I'm sorry that people have convinced you of this.

>>42123062
>let's kick out all women from the military if that's your criteria
I think women who get pregnant should be discharged until they are done.

Ok anon, a mtf is in a hostile country, but has no access to HRT. What do we do?

>>42123084
Just because you're both retarded and biased doesn't mean it's not discriminatory you belligerent fuckstick. Genuinely impale yourself on a rusty fencepost you self-admitted waste of human skin.

>>42122824
Don't worry if they get offended trans people are the most snowflake people on earth they shatter like glass one you question there retarded logic.

you'd get bullied for having aids blood or being a tranny and sue.

>>42123127
They persist until they get out, like anyone else in the military would have to in hostile country.

>>42123119
>Yes, autistic people can do all of these things. Autism is not a severe mental condition, I'm sorry that people have convinced you of this.
You don't know shit about shit. I was diagnosed as high functioning autism in 2nd grade. I need special aids in class, short bus due to bullying, special classes for gym class, had to take quizzes in separate classes, could barely make any friends outside a small handful and couldn't speak openly in public till I was in college.

but great let's let all those mentally unstable people in and give them guns.

>>42123113
are you fucking retarded you're acting in the exact way i am criticizing
No, the "only two ways" aren't israel and russia. There is a third way, and it's called "stop being retarded and get the fuck out of other countries' business you fucking niggers"

>>42123153
Like a solid third of the military is autistic you dumbfuck. Have you met your average EO? Your average Gunner's Mate? Your average FCA tech? I work with the military frequently and the density of autists is alarmingly high.

>>42123153
>You don't know shit about shit.
I know more about this than you do, clearly.

Autism does not mean mental instability, and every time you suggest that it does, you prove that you are the one who doesn't know shit about shit.

>>42122824
sodomy is something you choose to do. Having sex with people, relationships with people, is something you choose to do. You can 100% abstain from buttfucking if you want to serve.

>>42122824
>Transitioning is something people CHOOSE to do. It is not an immutable trait. We spent 56 million gender affirming care in the USDoD from 2015-2024. That's alot over such a short period and only growing. Trump put a shot to trans people joining and simply getting free surgeries for being trans. Trump simply said "pay for your surgeries on your own dime." I'm sorry if that's offensive to some trans people, but that's just what we want.
retarded jeet learn english properly before larping as an american

>>42123128
There are waivers for trans people to serve, this is not a ban on trans people. Why are you so angry?

>>42123141
I try to be as polite as a can be, because I know alot of mentally unstable like >>42123128. They are probably bloated up with hormones in their system and probably dealing with complications for their SRS neovagina that they have to dilate every day. and now they are being told they can't serve to to their mental condition and they get all red in the face and say "HOW DARE THEY BAN ME?!"

>>42123167
are they diagnosed? cause that along should be a insta perma ban. I would absolutely not allow people like me in the military. I was literally thinking of being a school shooter as a kid.

>>42123189
>i am being polite, while not being polite and actually reaching to the moon to find ways to insult you, but i am being polite i promise
Bait or mental retardation?

>>42123189
Have you SEEN the waiver requirements? The only actual way to get a waiver with gender dysphoria is to have the diagnosis and done almost literally nothing to progress your transition ever.

>>42123208
At this point I'm not even convinced you're autistic.

>>42123228
please don't argue with the esl streetshitter it gets rupees per baited post

>>42123176
>sodomy is something you choose to do. Having sex with people, relationships with people, is something you choose to do. You can 100% abstain from buttfucking if you want to serve.
Lawrence v. Texas and the ban on sodomy was repealed in 2013 I think.

I don't see how this is the same as a grown man self-id ing as a women and showering with women in their barracks with a penis. That's a detriment to our military readiness.

>>42123228
>Have you SEEN the waiver requirements? The only actual way to get a waiver with gender dysphoria is to have the diagnosis and done almost literally nothing to progress your transition ever.
Yes, you can serve, in your biological sex. No special accommodations should be made for those who transition. (yes it was special accommodations under Ashton Carter and Biden) We can't have woke DEI in our military

>>42123252
Fuck man, I just wanna be able to grow out my hair, maybe switch to the female uniform/fitness standards.

>>42123252
why should normal heterosexual men see a shaved bony faggot with a gaped asshole in their showers? Two can play at the strawman game

>>42123294
You can't even be fucking medicated, you can't EVER have BEEN medicated. That is not a special accommodation.

>>42123294
>special accomodations is anything i don't like
>innate characteristic rights is anything i like
damn jeets are just fed the same thing over and over it's genuinely boring arguing with you

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>>42123211
I have never not show trans people with anything but dignity and respect and salute our brave trans men and women for their service, but the policy standard has change. Biden allowed it and now Trump is simply changing the standard. Getting all red in the face and throwing your lip stick and hair curlers at portraits of Pete Hegseth isn't gonna do anything. There is a significant number of conservative LGBTQ people who support this policy change. Are you gonna call them bigots?

>>42123189
>mentally unstable
>it's just someone who's fed up with your bs
they're right anon, you should probably find the nearest gun and kershoot yourself

>>42123345
>are you gonna call bigoted cisgays and token queers bigots?
Yes

>>42123345
>Are you gonna call them bigots?
No, I am going to call them retarded
>I have never not show trans people with anything but dignity and respect
sure sure whatever you say, it's not like people see your previous posts
>Trump
*Nyetanyahu

>>42123317
>why should normal heterosexual men see a shaved bony faggot with a gaped asshole in their showers? Two can play at the strawman game
There is a reason there was no reversal of open LGB service since 2011, unlike GD service since 2016. It's cause GD service causes all kinds of complications and decline in military readiness. I'm sorry for pointing out reality.

>>42123376
>sure sure whatever you say, it's not like people see your previous posts
There are some trans people I find to be SJW types who get red in the face over stuff like this. So I like to see them get triggered by this.

A burly muscular big hairy man in drag on HRT is gonna cause all kinds of disruptions. Those cross-sex hormones are gonna fuck with their brains.

>>42123398
>a reason there was no reversal of open LGB service since 2011
because people have been forced into acceptance of faggotry via legal matters and not with trannyism?
Reminder that this administration is basically an authoritarian dementiac shitting out laws about whatever it got mad about, which hasn't happened in a while
>It's cause GD service causes all kinds of complications and decline in military readiness
Any specific person examples?
Also how interesting is that you don't even try to dodge the accusations of being a jeet shill. As if you are one, very interesting

>>42123324
>You can't even be fucking medicated, you can't EVER have BEEN medicated. That is not a special accommodation.
Than don't get on fucking HRT, don't get SRS. If you did, oh well. Your neovagina will forever mark you as banned, but you can still join private military contractors or CIA.

>>42123475
also had it not been for dems federal gay marriage would've already been overturned

>>42123475
>because people have been forced into acceptance of faggotry via legal matters and not with trannyism?
Trump could have easily pass an EO restoring DADT. He did not. No it was only about GD. That is telling. We had nine years of open MTF with SRS in our military and that didn't cause "forced into acceptance of trannyism". Funny how a mental condition can do that.

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>>42123477
>>42123455
don't argue with the streetshitter

>>42123477
How the fuck is someone supposed to get a waiver with that requirement. Who could have ever guessed that that would be a requirement for a waiver they even needed before?

>>42123488
>also had it not been for dems federal gay marriage would've already been overturned
Really? Trump's perfectly find with gay marriage and SCOTUS just denied a hearing to overturn gay marriage for like the fourth time now. There is no precedent to overturn it.

>>42123498
>>42123517
yes you are baiting. Or retarded. Most likely both.

>>42123512
>How the fuck is someone supposed to get a waiver with that requirement. Who could have ever guessed that that would be a requirement for a waiver they even needed before?
There was no grandfather clause or waiver for it. Trump didn't want a special class of trans people with SRS or on HRT serving. It causes all kinds of confusion and double standards. Not all trans people do SRS, HRT or have GD. It would be discrimination on the basis of gender identity to allow those to serve, but not them.

>>42123535
you wanted gays to be banned from the military as well so badly didn't you? you probably dilated pretty hard that day when you heard about this new policy change. I bet all the post-ops in the military lost their minds when they heard this ban coming down. It's good to see the demise of political correctness and DEI.

>>42123306
>Fuck man, I just wanna be able to grow out my hair, maybe switch to the female uniform/fitness standards.
put on a whig when you are off duty, but don't do it on tax payer dime time. sorry. sexual exhibitionism should be left to the privacy of the bedroom.

>>42123576
you probably decided to gape your adopted infant when you heard about trannies being allowed in the military. Don't worry, there will be time for faggot pedophiles to get the rope
ftm btw

>>42123612
Transgender open military service was allowed from june 30, 2016 to july 7, 2025, that is nine years. Yet in nine years, the overton window flipped and you are being banned again. As much as the propaganda tried, you can't force a metal condition that has been shown to be costly, detrimental to military readiness and disrupting onto our military.

Trump didn't ban gays because they weren't demanding tax payer funded sex change operations.

>>42123536
It already is regardless. Also, you disingenuous shit, how is already recovered from SRS some kind of special treatment? Why wouldn't people previously on HRT simply be allowed to stop and stay in? How is that special treatment? It's because the goal is to not have anyone waivered in.

>>42123592
>but don't do it on tax payer dime
What the fuck? No one pays for me to grow my goddamned hair.

>sexual exhibitionism
What in the fuck are you even talking about?

>>42123673
Talk to any person who actually served alongside trannies in the military and they tell you that the average tranny works significantly harder to try and prove themselves in that environment. Some of us actually work with the military.

>>42121469
Trannies are not dying for shit. Trannies are just trying to get absurd benefits by working the welfare leech jobs in the military (which is like 70% of the jobs there)
Imagine some porn addicted narcissistic egoistic freak dying for anything LOL

>>42123680
girl don't argue with it
it only has 2 arguments that it recites like a broken vinyl, arguing with it is pointless
whats your discord btw

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>>42123680
>It's because the goal is to not have anyone waivered in.
The goal is to have an extremely high criteria for who can serve. *gasp* I know trump believes in merit based system, not DEI! 70% of trannies are banned, but 30% can serve. As long as you don't take HRT or SRS, you are good.

>What the fuck? No one pays for me to grow my goddamned hair.

Grooming standards. We have only two sexes in the military. Sorry, no X gender. And even fem boys gotta cut their hair and groom to male standards.

>What in the fuck are you even talking about?
You think a burly muscular bond hairy guy in a dress isn't sexual exhibitionism? That should be done in bed with your partner, not exposing people to your sex life.

>>42123728
"it" is the right word for this kind of subhuman sewer sludge tbhon

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>>42123715
Not all trannies require SRS, HRT or have GD. Thankfully the ban doesn't apply to them. So you aren't proving anything.

>>42123717
True. The House tried to ban their SRS surgeries, but Democrats blocked it. So they went to Trump. Trump had no choice but to enact the ban on GD. If the trannies had simply allow the ban to take in place, we won't be talking about this.

>>42123728
*gets red in the face*
How DARE YOU--
*lipstick messed up and has to reapply*
even THINK about----
*has to dilate for third time today*
about BANNING----
*has to get 12th blood test for the year and see results*
US?!
*gets up angerly with a dildo vibrating in their asshole*

>>42123812
like clockwork
See my argument?

>>42123827
maybe if you stopped acting like a stereotypical SJW and the trans community came out in favor of his military policy I won't have to make fun of you?
Like nobody cares what you do in the privacy of your bedroom.

>>42123734
>but 30% can serve
Lies.
>You think a burly muscular bond hairy guy in a dress isn't sexual exhibitionism?
I do in fact think that, and you're out of your mind to even have considered it. Transition has nothing to do with my sex life, and saying I should hide it is like saying I should hide my hands if they've ever been involved in a sex act before.

>>42123827
Yeah, you might be right at this point. I'm done.

>>42123728
Carina6004

>Grooming standards. We have only two sexes in the military. Sorry, no X gender. And even fem boys gotta cut their hair and groom to male standards.
Goddamn you have no idea what the fuck I'm saying, do you? It's not some massive burden on the taxpayer to allow me and others like me to switch grooming standards.

>>42121427
oh no trannies can't go rape african babies

such a violation of their human rights

>>42123876
>I do in fact think that, and you're out of your mind to even have considered it. Transition has nothing to do with my sex life, and saying I should hide it is like saying I should hide my hands if they've ever been involved in a sex act before.

The first thing people think about when they see people who are visibly transgender or cross dresser is sex life. It's a fetish, why do you think so many are sex workers? It should only be allowed in privacy of bed room or off duty. Put on your wig and spread your ass for the guys on your own time.

>massive burden on the taxpayer to allow me and others like me to switch grooming standards.
it is if you have a penis and you are showering with women.

>>42123785
have you ever been in the military or worked with the military?

>>42123861
>maybe if you just complied with discriminatory policy people wouldn't discriminate against you

>>42123924
>why are so many sex workers
Because trannies were barred from employment in basically every other field

Consider the MAID program if you're Canadian

OH NOOOO I CAN'T TAKE A FUCKING BULLET FOR ISRAEL ANYMORE, I CAN'T GET MY LEGS BLOWN OFF BY A LANDMINE WHILE SHOOTING BROWN PEOPLE IN THEIR OWN COUNTRY WHAT THE FUCK AM I GONNA DOOOOO???????

>>42124069
no, but my family has long history in it. grandfather USMC 26 years, pacific korea, grandmother a yo-men us navy intelligence, brother navy, brother, army afghanistan. so i know the ins and outs. i couldn’t serve as diagnosed autism is not waviable.