Why don't you just self-pay for your transition, like trannies used to do? Why don't you get a job, or a better job? Why are you a neet?Society doesn't owe you a sex change. It doesn't owe you pronouns. It doesn't owe you fumbling around in your boymoder hoodie while you "find yourself."
>Why don't you just self-pay for your transition, like trannies used to do? because that system was inhumane and killed a shitton of us and gave bad results because people waited and waited until they could scrape up enough sex work or service work money to transition t. transitioned in 05
>>42147734I transtioned in 2009 and it was fine. Diagnosis, laser, HRT, labs, SRS, all out of my own pocket.
>>42147744I'm genuinely glad to hear that. You did better than most.
>>42147734It was harder but you make it sound a lot worse.It was more expensive than today but not THAT expensive. A normal job paying the median wage was more than enough to sustain it.t. transitioned in 08 in a "backwards" country
>>42147805It's always been attainable for people who are productive members of society.
>>42147805A normal paying job with a median wage is a strugglebus for cissoids nowadays. Even at significantly above median pay, FFS without insurance would be most of my yearly take-home pay.
>>42147640>Society doesn't owe you a sex change. It doesn't owe you pronouns. It doesn't owe you fumbling around in your boymoder hoodie while you "find yourself."I actually agree with this and it's by far the most negative evolution in the thinking in queer spaces.A lot of it is, however, a result of a wider societal trend which allows and even encourages NEETdom, prolonged adolescence and mollycoddling. Of course it hits harder with trannies, but young people in general today are far more fucked in the head than they were 20 years ago.The whole pronouns thing did more harm than good to both society at large and to trannies themselves. It turned the whole thing into a circus and an identity (to which of course younglings who didn't know better latched on to).The majority of the current terminology in queer spaces literally didn't exist when I trooned out.And the current anti-trans wave won't solve that either. Because, again, a lot of this is an extension of general societal trends.It's not just trannies. Every single space has been emptied of maturity and replaced with youth-coded slop. When you subsidize something, you get more of that something. It really is that simple.
>>42147831I disagree.DiY hrt is stupidly cheap (compared to 2008 or 2012).FFS is more expensive, granted. But instead of wasting $ on weed, alcohol and video games, saving up actually works. And it's worth getting into debt for it too (I did, no regrets).It doesn't help if your mentality is that you should get everything right now - no hustle, no waiting, no nothing. Real world doesn't work like that for anyone except the ultra-rich. And sometimes not even for them.Transition is a long process. Long enough to save up for the more expensive steps. If I could do it in a backward country prior to crypto and widely available DiY, there is no excuse not to be able to do it in 2026. Other than laziness, that is. And other unresolved issues independent to hrt.Speaking of which, in 2008 the guidance was to fix all or most of your issues independent of hrt before trying out hrt. Both to make sure you don't actually have something else but also to make transition easier to bear.Nowadays very few do that. Much to their detriment.We exchanged excessive gatekeeping with zero wisdom. Turns out some of the ideas of gatekeepers weren't really that bad. But heaven forbid we admit that.
>>42147905I mean, I did fix most of my problems before HRT. Found a stable, well paying job, improved my overall health, worked to create a support network, etc., but this wouldn't have been possible to do at a much more ideal age for transition. But this is probably a psy-op to begin with.
>>42147945>a much more ideal age for transitionYeah, well, the world is not ideal.I actually don't think I would've been legit able to deal with transition at 16. Let alone earlier. It may be "ideal" but... it really isn't.>But this is probably a psy-op to begin with.I like the psyop tho. Legit very happy with my transition. That doesn't stop me from acknowledging that some of the critiques are or can be valid.
>>42147640800 x $10 for blowjob is 8k for tits
>>42147805>It was more expensive than today but not THAT expensive. A normal job paying the median wage was more than enough to sustain it.trans people work shittier jobs with less security. overwhelmingly. add in being multiple kinds of minority (trans and black, for instance) and it gets harder and harder. there weren't employment protections.anyway, regardless, what the fuck. of course medical care should be paid for by the taxpayer. trans people are also taxpayers anyway, so acting like it's a gift from other people, cis people, is misleading. I want to pay taxes for people to get sex changes. I want to live in a civilized society.
>>42148911>trans people are also taxpayers anywayNot if they're working shittier jobs
>>42147640Because I'm a 5'3 gay black tranny and everywhere I go for an internet the interviewer is a white cishettie that's looking at me crazy from across the table... The one time a job hired me post transition they lied about the pay so I was making about $9 an hour. I don't think you're supposed to survive AND pay for surgery if you're making $9-$10/hr.
>>42147640I was making over 100k after working my way up from a warehouse job to corporate but then I became schizophrenic and lost the job, all my money, and went to jail. Now I can't focus on anything because of it.
>>42149573They locked you in jail just because you had schizophrenia and no job? That's terrible nona :'(
>>42149714my boyfriend got scared of me because I seemed crazy to him so he punched me in the face so I started screaming at him for doing that and the neighbors called the cops and they saw blood everywhere from my broken nose and decided to arrest me because I seemed like the crazy one to them.
>>42147825being a productive member of society pays less than being a useless sack of shit these days
Playing by the rules in today's dysfunctional society gets you fucked in the ass, and not in a good way.
I do self-pay for everything about my transition. Its really not bad on a month-month basis.Its super expensive when you use plume/folx because of their monthly charges. Planned parent hood is an appointment every 3 months, then 6, then yearly and so on just to check levels. If you have insurance even better. If you have to make a drive like I did (an hour) its still so worth. Plume cost me 100 a month on top of hrt costs so it was like 200 a month minimum, ans they never used my insurance.
>>42149933Somewhat. Depends on your situation.My partner has kids and is in government housing and gets food stamps. Every time they've had a job their benefits get reduced and their rent goes up to the point of barely breaking even. There is no incentive, and tons of paperwork involved. Granted they mainly can only do retail due to having to take care of school age children and lack of expertise. Like there's little incentive and a gigantic challenge for the reward of jack shit.
>Why don't you get a job, or a better job?Yeah let me just get a job better than $18/hour with an associate's that isn't backbreaking labor that drives me into suicide you dumb nigga>Go back to schoolEveryone is buttfuck retarded and using ChatGPT to write shit, I dropped out before I got my bachelor's BECAUSE I couldn't put up with the fucking bullshit of not being able to focus on the actual CAREER I was working towards because I had to make dumbfuck discussion posts like "yes I agree with you, good point" to a bunch of Indians who could not give less of a fuck in a class that had NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT I WANTED TO DO.I don't know why I'm even arguing this, I've paid for all my shit
