>>42152361
It's probably not hatred of your birth sex. If the idea that it's just hatred of your birth sex and not gender dysphoria is concerning to you then it's 99.9% that you're trans.
It can also help to stop thinking in terms of whether it's dysphoria and just do what you think would make you happy. e.g. If you want to take hormones, just take them.

>>42152425
>If the idea that it's just hatred of your birth sex and not gender dysphoria is concerning to you then it's 99.9% that you're trans.
The thought of it being just hatred of my birth sex and not gender dysphoria is extremely distressing to me, despite there being a ton of proof for it really being just the former like me not being particularly distressed by my body even if I do mostly hate it

hating your sex as assigned at birth is not the same as identifying as the opposite sex.
common misconception
a tru tranny doesn't hate being male. they're apathetic to the idea. the opposite if love isn't hate. it's the absence of caring in any capacity. apathy. the idea of living as their authentic self pleases them where the idea of subjugation depresses them.

>>42152604
psyop

>>42152361
What would make you hate your birth sex?

>>42152604
psyop

>>42152573
hating your birth sex is dysphoria more often than not. is there a reason you don't think it's dysphoria?

>>42152604
That is literally how I feel though. I don't hate being a man because I think it's a horrible fate in general, but because I'm personally completely apathetic towards it. It's a thankless task. I only hate it because I can't imagine ever feeling alive as a man.

>>42152361
Sincerely, do your own research on the subject rather than asking the troons of 4chan to groom you into acceptance.

>>42152604
that's retarded
most men don't really have strong feelings about being men; they might enjoy what comes with it, though (a working dick, being a father, protecting your loved ones)
apathy/neutrality is the default, not the deviation.
>>42152361
could be multiple things
>internalized misogyny/misandry
>trauma response, especially in regards to SA
>societal gender roles
>body image/beauty standards
>health/biological burdens (i.e. menstruating)
>reproductive regret
>ideological possession
would try to speak to a mental health professional about it; stress that you don't need affirmation, you need clarity

>>42152697
>is there a reason you don't think it's dysphoria?
Mostly the fact that I'm not explicitly distressed by my body and by being a man, even if I hate almost everything about it. Also the fact that I had no trans signs growing up at all, and only really started thinking about this after learning about hrt

>>42152897
>not explicitly distressed
fairly common, neither was i but i'd be distressed at it happening again or if it had gotten worse
>no signs growing up
most people think that at first until they start to look back and wonder how they could be so retarded as to not notice any of them sooner. sometimes there really were no signs though
>only started thinking about this after learning about hrt
it's normal not to think about things that seem normal or impossible to change.

>>42153002
>but i'd be distressed at it happening again or if it had gotten worse
I'm mostly worried that I'm just making a mountain out of a molehill since I'm not explicitly distressed, and especially since I simply can't tell whether it may be possible for me to come around and not hate being a man anymore. It's basically a situation where I feel stuck with the devil I know, because I fear that the devil I don't may be worse.
>sometimes there really were no signs though
I definitely had no overt signs from what I can remember, but I also have genuinely zero memories of how I felt about puberty to begin with.
>it's normal not to think about things that seem normal or impossible to change
Many people use fantasy to cope with such impossibilities, but I never did such a thing in any way

>>42152873
Troons have agenda. That's they say things "if you feel apathy towards to sex, you're trans". Obviously that's false, but they need as much recruits as possible.

>>42153421
Apathy == trans, hatred == not trans sounds more like cissoid propaganda than tranny propaganda tbhon

>>42153421
>>42153432
Apathy by itself is not enough to determine whether one is trans or not. It could be a sign of repressed or mild dysphoria, but it can also be a sign of other issues

>>42153349
it's normal to have a lot of doubts. you remind me of myself before i started hrt and i think you're trans based on what you've said.

>>42153753
What did you do to address your doubts? Did any of your doubts end up being more than just baseless anxiety?

>>42153953
i learned to trust myself, realized how bullshit most of the controversy surrounding trans people is, imagined how i'd feel living life as a man/woman, and tried to look for names i would like for myself other than the one i was born with (they all ended up being feminine or gender neutral).
also making an alt and going by she/her and a new name on it.

i still had a lot of doubt after that but it gradually went away until now where feels like any other intrusive though i have.

>>42154598
I've done all of that up until now, and I'm even on hrt, but my doubts are still insanely disruptive and distressing unfortunately. The only things which gives me certainty that I am probably not making a mistake is that the mere thought of me coming to enjoy to be a man is by far more distressing. Any time I feel like I should just give it up and lean in into being a man, which would definitely make my life way easier in many ways, it is also accompanied by a intense feeling of dread and despondency