literally just talk to him, ask him about his gender identity and if he's ever thought of depooning. (and tell him you're a repper it'll help if you think he's gonna switch teams)

Lock him in your basement with dog kibble and T injections

>>42158955
They all say they never thought of it but slowly but surely fall into the detrans/misgendering kink

>>42159322
this kink fucking sucks

t.ranny who has engaged in it before

>>42158567

hey cocks are really fun to suck maybe he just misses playing with one. It's not like a little plastic is out of place in the bedroom, after all

>>42158567
>how and why does this happen

It's very simple, the "weird lesbian" isn't actually a lesbian. Lots of women these days either (1) have trauma, (2) hate men, or (3) think being a lesbian/LGBT is cool.

So they start identifying as a lesbian in their teenage years and repress their attraction to males or write it off as "only in theory but I've never been attracted to a man irl".

If this "lesbian" happens to transition FtM there's two scenarios, (1) they're an AAP (autoandrophile), so attracted to the idea of themself as a man, and being with women feeds into this bc it makes them feel manly (2) they're just a straight/bi woman who is traumatized, thinks being trans is cool, or is otherwise mentally ill. The main thing is they don't want to be a straight woman.

At the beginning of their transition, they are still clinging to the "only attracted to women" part of their identity, but then the T kicks in which both increases their libido and masculinizes them further. In either case, them being male-attracted becomes less ego-dystonic, because they can be a "gay man", i.e. still gay/lesbian and because they view themself as a man they feel more comfortable being attracted to men because they can engage in it without feeling like a straight woman.

Then they start sleeping with men. Most don't detransition honestly, but the ones that do usually come to realize they were just a straight/mildly bisexual woman who got sucked into the LGBT early and really needed to keep identifying with it to protect their self-concept.

>How do I prevent him from going through the pipeline
You just have to filter out the trans men that are obviously just traumatized/seriously delusional straight women and pick out the ones that are more like hyper-butch lesbians who are strongly AAP. But I wouldn't worry, most don't detroon (if you couldn't drop the lesbian identity as a woman, how could you drop the FtM identity).

>>42159451
Do you think there's a similar pipeline with MtF detranners?

>>42158567
Women can’t consent and shouldn’t be allowed to vote. Can’t make reasonable decisions, too illogical and irrational and can’t make decisions about anything, takes their whole life on training wheels, doesn’t take anything seriously. All these detrans women do this whole song and dance about how they were groomed and how they were pushed into it and there was like no gatekeeping and everyone said yes to them, no one ever questioned them, and they’ll lie to themselves and say that they were groomed so they can sleep at night, but the reality is that they weren’t at all, they were just treated like a normal adult, they were treated the same as a man. They were an adult and they were treated as such and able to make their own decisions because they were an adult. They can twist and lie to themselves, but they made it through every gatepoint, every check, every point used to stop and intervene. Any more gatekeeping would be treating them like children, but that’s actually what they want at the end of the day. The end thesis of the terfs and the detransitioners is not equality, it’s not fairness, it’s that women are children and can’t consent to anything because no matter how many guard rails, no matter how serious, they are just simply incapable of making their own decisions, and…. Maybe they’re right.

>>42159451
>It’s very simple, the “weird lesbian” isn’t actually a lesbian. Lots of women these days either (1) have trauma, (2) hate men, or (3) think being a lesbian/LGBT is cool.

Case #1 on how women can’t make any decisions ever and shouldn’t vote

>>42159513
No because they take responsibility and aren’t perpetual children. Very few of them are crying about how its the worlds fault they made the very drastic life decisions they did.

>>42159639
So it's fembrained if I constantly worry that I only trooned out because of abuse, PTSD, and issues around sex?

>>42159655
Yeah I mean how you’re framing that is incredibly tiktok victim bitch shit, like the way you even think about it giving me woman.

>>42159655
>>42159676
Like ill be real, no guy thinks about shit like this. They just don’t think like this.

>>42159676
Damn. I do just feel like a failed male sometimes, like I just got worse at life, like succeeding makes me feel like a successful male and therefore bad or something.

I think it's the brain damage.

>>42159691
Definitely brain damaged based on the coherence of that sentence. Can’t even tell if you’re ftm or mtf desu

>>42159688
Iunno. I had some really fucked up shit happen to me. Like I felt like I was doomed to transition and had stupid weird religious issues around sex and also just like, I was just a dude for a while.

>>42159701
You’re mtf right? If you are, you’re obviously going to be an outlier in the statistics. I think sample size one isn’t the best.

>>42159699
MtF with AAP or something. I have no fucking clue at this point. My issues are incoherent and inconsistent.

Born with a penis and took meds to grow tits but am depressed for many reasons.

>>42159713
Yeah. I do think part of it is just like a tangled mess of trauma. I have a unique personal history when it comes to transition. It's like I've become more of a repper during transition.

>>42159730
Ill be real with you no cis man says trauma u brainpass

>>42159734
That seems kinda sexist but ok. I would actually kill to destroy the testosterone poisoning to my brain though.

>>42158567
>yes I'm a repper
Step 1: Stop repping.

That's it.
No, it won't work.

t. repped for 30+ years, still got on hrt

>>42159760
>I would actually kill to destroy the testosterone poisoning to my brain though.

Thankfully, you don't have to kill. Just take your AAs and your E.
It works.
I legit don't even remember most of how it was to have my brain poisoned like that. Occasionally I do remember the void and the sadness though, which is always fuel for taking the shots judiciously.

>>42159760
Men and women are radically different and think radically different and if you don’t believe this you’re retarded

>>42159800
It comes back. I've never needed an AA because even a mild dose of E nuked my T, but I've had weird health issues in general. I just want the moidbrain to stay dead. I hate having trooned out in my mid-20s because I thought it was too late in my late teens, even though in my early 20s I was like, just a normal guy until the tranny thoughts came back but stronger.

>>42159805
Maybe. I don't know anymore tbhon. My brain is mashed potato at this point. Estrogen is literally stupid juice for me.

>>42159855
>I hate having trooned out in my mid-20s

I trooned out at 25.
I'm 42 now. Married and a nice life.
The "too late" discourse is literally brainworms.
Be intentional about things. Lean into your femininity. Voice train. And let the juice run its magic too.
I manmoded for ~6yrs until I malefailed so hard and so often that it became impossible not to come out.
If I could do it in more unpleasant conditions (DiY wasn't a thing, crypto hadn't been invented yet, regulations were harsher) - you can do it too, nona. Just kill the brainworms and get to work.

>>42159916
We've spoken before in a few threads. I'm the anon who you spoke with about anxiety w/ malefailing. It's just brainworms and like actual brain damage (I am trying to see a neurologist soon because there's some kind of nerve damage issue too).

Big barriers are my brainworms, not knowing if this is what I really want due to occasional AAP and reverse dysphoria, and health issues (seriously my energy is extremely low, bad brain fog, and I have crippling chronic pain flare-ups).

>>42159963
>I am trying to see a neurologist soon because there's some kind of nerve damage issue too
Good step.
Be careful with the prescriptions though.
Way too often doctors just give you pills that quite literally shut down your brain. You DO NOT want to be anywhere near that shit. At all.

>not knowing if this is what I really want due to occasional AAP
Back in my days this terminology didn't exist.
But the way I dealt with this feeling was like this: "Let's try. We agreed we're giving this an honest shot. We'll find out later if it works. One day at a time." - by week 3 the brainworm was gone.

>seriously my energy is extremely low, bad brain fog, and I have crippling chronic pain flare-ups
What kind of pain? (as in where physically in the body)
On brainfog and low energy: Vitamin D deficiency is shockingly common. I learned that in 2020. Zero incidents ever since. I start vitamin D in November and stop in February. Throughout dogshit dark winter, vitamin D deficiency is actually common. And brainfog and low energy are the most common symptoms.
Not saying this is your case, but there's a cheap lab test available to check your vitamin levels.

>>42160117
Last I checked my vitamin levels were good. I tried taking a Vitamin D supplement but it just made my headaches worse. A K2+D3 supplement made me go actually insane and is probably part of what made me half-heartedly detransition for a bit. I'll take another shot at it but I'm very paranoid.

I want a diagnosis before starting new medication desu. Very sensitive to it. Can't even take SSRIs anymore without them giving me bad issues. Sister went through the same thing too and her issues got so bad she was bedridden for years before passing away.

>>42159609
I think the whole lesbian thing is a bunch of hooey. When women go on testosterone they discover what it feels like to be horny and the best sex in the world is between two men so they go for it because they're able to feel it and get horny enough to like it

>>42160153
>I tried taking a Vitamin D supplement but it just made my headaches worse.
Okay THAT is really really weird. Because to actually cause headaches by vit D would require enormous amounts (overdose is very rare because the threshold really is high).

>Can't even take SSRIs anymore without them giving me bad issues
Whatever you do, just don't take SSRIs at all.
Thank God for my paranoid/skepticism to "medical science". I still laugh at/with my psychiatrist from back in the day (we stayed friends) because now he ended up agreeing with me. While in 2010 told me i'd die if I continue to refuse ssris.

>Sister went through the same thing too and her issues got so bad she was bedridden for years before passing away
That sounds terrifying. Did you ever find out what exactly her condition was?
I'm actually well-versed in a lot of these things but this sounds really weird.
I will nag my psychiatrist friend about it too because now you made me curious.

>>42158567

This happens to MtFs too except generally MTFs generally dont detrans completely or detrans at much lower rates, the root cause is autism and generally being affected by tacit or overt misogyny homophobia and transphobia (since obviously these are generally co occurring and globalized prejudices)

The MtF parallel is:

Tweenage gay boy > straight incel (school shooter mode) > "lesbian" trans woman > AGP/MEF > Bi > ???? (Straight(ish) woman, occasionally detrans gay man)

The motivation for this is 1. repression of feminity because it is associated with vulnerability, objectification, conquest, loss of agency (for males, homophobia obvously) 2. A desire to gain strength and protection through masculinity 3. The desire for a relationship that replicates heterosexual dynamics and 4. The relief that comes from "giving in" and accepting feminity. (don't have to fear anything anymore, trade freedom for security)

The root cause is autism and delayed development/socialization, delayed emotional processing.

Your question: "how do I stop it?" All you can do is wait for time and maturity to level things out and try to date more mature people who have most of their developmental milestones behind them. You can't "stop" people on these pipelines. At most you can delay it and cause a dramatic mess of a relationship.

>>42159513
I have seen the gay-identifying man --> straight-identifying mtf --> lesbian-identifying mtf pipeline a couple of times, but males are a lot less likely to be confused about their sexuality than females due to biological differences between male/female sexuality (male more visual, female more situational). So it's a lot less prominent.

And I've never seen anyone go down that pipeline and later detransition. In general, there are less male detroons because it's more embarrassing to detroon MtFtM than FtMtF. As in, it's harder to return to feeling masculine once you've emasculinized yourself by transitioning mtf, but there's no equivalent where you efeminize yourself. And I think MtF transitions are more strongly tied into sexuality than FtM ones, so they're less likely to detroon.
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>>42159451
>>42159513

Good post I second most of it but there is a similar MtF pipeline it just doesn't progress to detransition often for various complex reasons. i'm not a believer in the "female privilege" concept necessarily, but once you "fall" into feminity it is somewhat harder to re enter masculinity. For FtMs and manhood the opposite holds true, masculinity is the superior status that is more easy to "fall" from. I'm generalizing but hopefully that makes sense.

>>42160240
I was on SSRIs from ages 17-24 and it made repping almost effortless, but I had to stop due to the arrhythmia it gave me. Even tried SNRIs as an alternative but those spooked me so I only tried them for a week.

The Vitamin D on its own might have been a fluke. I'm willing to try it again.

Her official diagnosis was Myalgic Encephalitis, but I suspect she may have had some kind of autoimmune issue or NCAH. She was also a tranny (very different phenotype though), and she fit the profile of tranny NCAH patients described by Will Powers. She refused a lot of medical testing though.

>>42158567
You don't

>>42160284
I feel that. I tried detrooning for a bit but felt like I couldn't, really. Even before trooning out I felt like I fell out of the masculinity that I very painstakingly fought for for years. Still feel like a failed male.

>>42160243
>Tweenage gay boy > straight incel (school shooter mode) > "lesbian" trans woman > AGP/MEF > Bi > ???? (Straight(ish) woman, occasionally detrans gay man)

Nonsense! When you start out okay you stay gay you don't go through no incel phase.

If put into pipe line terms, it be
feminine boy> gay teen> drag queen > transgender woman.

>>42160301
>I was on SSRIs from ages 17-24 and it made repping almost effortless
Of course it did. It also literally shut down your brain in a critical developmental period and nuked your libido (but not in the way transition does - but rather in a way that makes it dysfunctional).
Again, never touch that shit again. No matter what! It's literally better to be a permahon than to be hooked on that shit again. Even statistically, the permahon has a longer and healthier (and legit happier) lifespan than perma-SSRI fried. It's not even a question.

>Myalgic Encephalitis, but I suspect she may have had some kind of autoimmune issue or NCAH

NCAH is not deadly in almost any circumstance.
ME/CFS, however, is a terrible thing (and largely incurable - can at best be ameliorated).
It's usually triggered by an infection though. So you might want to take a bit of care on fungi if you had a close relative with ME.

Do the tests. If you can get 2 or more drs to interpret them, then use that. If not, then use the results and research it yourself as well.
Whatever you do, don't blindly trust any doctor. This side of medicine (not just trans; but ME stuff, psychiatry in general with few exceptions) is still very experimental and they routinely know less than some 4channers but speak nicely and have a coat.

>>42160452
The nuked libido was kinda good until weird male inadequacy stuff hit. I had severe sexual dysfunction issues due to religious stuff, relationship troubles, and frankly just being kind of weird. I do feel very fried from SSRIs. When I tried taking them again initially, I made the mistake of taking my previous dose and I thought I was going to have a seizure because the effects were so bad. I feared for my life and it definitely messed me up.

I'm doing what tests I can now but waitlists are awful near me (for the US). Like I've been waitlisted just for a decent endo for over a year and a half now. Plan is to get a tilt table test done in the spring and then see the neurologist in the summer and maybe get an MRI and a nerve conduction test.