>>42163329
>i have identified 4 other categories of mtf
what are those?
>interviewing 567 androphilic mtfs and 781 lesbian mtfs
what kind of questions have you asked them? were there any bisexuals? do you count them as androphilic or as lesbian?

>>42163348
It doesn't matter because this shit never happened

>>42163329
did you find any new transbian subspecies?

>>42163365
even if it never happened, i'm curious what nona has come up with

>>42163329
>567 androphilic mtfs and 781 lesbian mtfs
Is this stat reflective of the overall rate of androphilia vs gynephilia in mtfs?

>>42163329
what r the other 4 subtypes, spill the beans?

>>42163329
Okay so what are the other 4 categories?

>>42163329
hope you're citing and evaluating your findings against blanchard

>>42163348
>were there any bisexuals? do you count them as androphilic or as lesbian?
i asked them to define their sexual orientation based on if they are more attracted to men or women. some people (213 interviewed subjects) reported being equally attracted to men and women. i counted them as bisexuals and excluded them.

>>42163375
you could say that.

>>42163419
i don't believe it is. most of the mtfs i interviewed were gathered from different discord servers. many of the servers are probably more likely to attract lesbian mtfs.

>>42163449
>one is a hypersexual type of predominantly androphilic mtf
>one is an early transitioning bordering on asexual mtf with a romantic attraction primarily towards women. this type has very specific physical characteristics. they tend to be short and heavy
>one is a mid to late transitioning type of mtf. almost exclusively attracted to women throughout their teenage years. overrepresented in STEM. tendency towards employment in STEM or unemployment. attraction post transition remains overwhelmingly lesbian leaning.

i don't know if i should disclose number 4

>>42163457
blanchard is widely considered outdated. he may have gotten the basics right but it's more complicated than he makes it out to be.

>>42163919
>blanchard is widely considered outdated. he may have gotten the basics right but it's more complicated than he makes it out to be.
this exposes you as an ideologue
science doesn't go out of date, hypotheses get falsified, darwin still gets cited because his ideas stand up, as do blanchard's
you aren't doing science, you're protecting your own ego and using a simulacrum of science for political activism
you are a fraud

>>42163919
Disclose it coward!

>>42163933
Blanchard didn't do anything you could reasonably classify as science. It's about as scientific as Jungian psychology.

>>42163329
>transfem

>>42163933
Blanchard is a hack
>>42163919
You are a hack
t. observed at least 48 more typologies than you've mentioned because different mtfs are unique individuals, not typologies and gender dysphoria is the only common factor

>itt coping transbians

>>42163919
What are the physical characteristics of number 3 and where do tall lanky twinkhons with insensitivity to caffeine and thyroid issues fit in? (power's new subtype)

>>42163956
that's ignorant nonsense and shows you've never read anything he wrote
his research work is as empirical and better validated than anything in the OP
the only reason blanchard got written out of the tranny research literature is that trannies do not like having the structure of autogynephilia described because it hurts their self image even though autogynephilia is in the DSM5

>>42163933
It’s impossible to be falsified when you work isn’t falsifiable (aka pseudoscience). Darwin hasnt just been not falsified, he has been supported by hundreds of thousands of experiments since then.

>>42163984
>empirical
Lol, lmao

It's about as empirical as humorism

>>42163919
do you think your typology makes sense if you arbitrarily excluded some trannies from your research?

>>42163329
Where do I find these gay princesses and are they into hairy fat guys?

>>42163979
What are all the Powers subtypes?

>>42163933
not OP but Blanchard's typology was built from the data available. He conducted his study at a time when it was very dangerous to be out. Every tranner who participated had ample reason to fear that the study was a trap designed to expose them
if he were to conduct the same study today and construct a fresh typology he might find very different results

>>42163988
sure it's falsifiable, just show that trannies don't fall into two easily identifiable groups of androphilic GNC kids and fetishistic gynephilic masculine lateshits.
do you think blanchard was even the first to point it out? every sex researcher has observed something similar.

>>42163984
Trannies do not like AGP because sexual and romantic feelings do not describe our motivations for transitioning in general you fucking hack. Because it's 80s sexologist woowoo from a crank chaser.

>>42163919
>gay sex pest
>trans lesbian
>transbian
>rapehon sex pest
There, I revealed the typology for you

>>42164007
>Trannies do not like AGP because sexual and romantic feelings do not describe our motivations for transitioning in general you fucking hack.
people aren't authorities on their own motives for doing things, because self deception and deceiving others are things
that's why psychology exists in the first place
this isn't exclusive to trannies, most women claim they wear sexy clothes for themselves, which is a laughable self deception

>>42164006
You only ever get two cleanly segregating groups if you say those who don’t fit are lying. The issue isn’t the outcome, it’s the methodology.

>>42164006
>If I hamfistedly organize people into this false dichotomy and assume everyone who doesn't cleanly fit into one or the other is a liar, then my classification schema works!

>>42164020
those who don't fit are easily identifiable as AGPs, but it's not even necessary for 100% of people to be identifiable for the fact that trannies fall into two types to be valid

>>42164018
>actually, you are sad
>no, I feel pretty normal honestly, I have never done anything sad to be honest
>uhh self deception you are sad
Nice "science"

>>42164029
>If I organize people into X and Not-X, my typology is flawless!

>>42164032
>nobody can ever lie or deceive themselves about anything ever
retard

>autoheterosexual people
>intersex people
That's the typology

>>42164036
Assuming someone must be lying because they don't fit your preconceptions is retardation

>>42164033
>if I attack a strawman position then I can deny that autogynephilia is a thing that I obviously have because doing sex things is embarrassing
t.rannies

>>42164036
Your worldview lies on a bullshit theory from the 80s and a conspiracy theory that every tranny is lying to you about weird degen shit on a board where we openly talk about diaper crinkles

My worldview lies on communication, getting to know people, and genuine self reflection

>>42164042
By definition I fall into both categories. I'm a gay man who transitioned to expand my dating pool to straight men but I also have AGP (and even occasional AAP so that's fucking weird).

Just by virtue of being weird and not fitting into a 40-year old typology that was constructed under social conditions that no longer exist, I am accused of being a liar because some arrogant chasoid can't fathom the idea that their classification schema is flawed.

>>42164039
assuming that they cannot be lying or self deceiving is also retarded
the correct thing to do is allow it as a possibility and see how the observations fit the theories
nobody has ever come up with a more plausible hypothesis that explains the observed facts than blanchard's two type typology, and this is robust to some trannies being hard to identify, or even a few trannies doing it for other reasons (because in the 80s they screened them pretty intensively to check they weren't schizos or famewhores before letting them transition, and now they don't)

>>42164058
If you were successful as a gay man but transitioned anyway then you're AGP.

>>42164003
>if he were to conduct the same study today and construct a fresh typology he might find very different results
nearly all trannies today are screamingly AGP so the only differences I'd expect a neo-Blanchardian study to find are
>younger age of transition for AGPs
>more outright schizos transitioning because it's become what you do if you're deeply mentally ill and have an unstable sense of self

>>42164059
>No one has come up with a more plausible hypothesis
If you ignore the others that are much more mundane, sure

>>42164065
I like straight men a lot more because they're a lot more committed and romantic. You're also proving the point I made earlier about the classification schema just being "Are you X or not X" lmao.

>>42163329

Do you encounter a lot of MtFs who identify as lesbian/asexual but actually report being androphilic/straight and are inasexual transbian relationships that they got into early transition, or pre transition? Because this situation describes a big slice of trans people i actually know IRL. In fact I've never met a "lesbian" trans woman in a monogamous sexually active relationship now that I think about it. Curious if you found any of this type?

Also how much of your sample population was early transition? How many were fully out? How many were post SRS?

>>42164080
"I have elements of both" = AGP
"I'm a secret third thing" = AGP
AGP always tell on themselves
You've learned to imitate the meme version of HSTS, is all

>>42164058
>autobisexual
same
i was lowkey AAP pre-transition, i masturbated to my own pics as a 14 year old
idk why, could be me unconsciously repressing androphilia but i'm not sure
I was like 90% into women pre-transition and i think i am at least somehow AGP

>>42164036
Self-deception is possible, but there is no reliable way to figure out when people are lying. Really wishing there were a way doesn’t mean you get to just make up whatever you want.

>>42164080
>If you ignore the others that are much more mundane, sure
let's hear them then
actually why haven't you published it and shown how it falsified blanchard?
bear in mind that "muh intersex brain" is fucking laughable, nobody in the world is more masculine than the average transbian
anyway, transitioning for a sexual reason is what's mundane. people alter their bodies for sex reasons. women do it all the time and increasingly men too.

>>42164093
"I'm actually an AAP male" = AGP
Appropriating AAP is AGP because AAP is a female experience, so claiming to have it feeds into the fantasy

>>42164101
>Falsify pseudoscience which is inherently unfalsifiable!
look up Powers Theory

>>42164106
Blanchtards get dumber every day

>>42164099
>there is no reliable way to figure out when people are lying
most people who are being deceptive are not lying
the best way to tell a lie is to believe it yourself
deceptive strategies are well known in biological science and we can study them like everything else

>>42164101
>nobody in the world is more masculine than the average transbian
The level of delusion in this post compared to my actual lived experience moving among and getting to know scores of transbians is like absurdist comedy.

>>42164083
>Do you encounter a lot of MtFs who identify as lesbian/asexual but actually report being androphilic/straight and are inasexual transbian relationships that they got into early transition, or pre transition? Because this situation describes a big slice of trans people i actually know IRL.
hi. i have ignored many of the replies in this thread because they devolved into trolling but this is an interesting question.

the answer is yes. something that might best be described as prison transbianism is something i've frequently encountered. the given reasons for staying in these unsatisfying relationships seem to be lack of dating options and/or guilt towards their lesbian partner.

>>42164108
>my slightly impaired estrogen signaling and poor response to hrt makes me a woman!

>>42163967
>t. observed at least 48 more typologies than you've mentioned because different mtfs are unique individuals
so by this reasoning, heterosexuality does not exist because straight men are unique individuals

>>42164129
You don't understand what innate gender nonconformity actually means

>>42164106
wtf i'm not even claiming not to be AGP
you guys are insufferable

>>42164136
Not that subtype in Powers Theory lmao. Am the kind with really strong estrogen signaling which is why I got B cups in 3 months of HRT.

>>42164150
>being built like a linebacker with tits now makes me a woman!

it all basically boils down to two groups of people
>people who transition because they want to be the opposite gender (dysphoric)
>people who transition because they want to be trans (non-dysphoric fetishist)

>>42164158
Wrong
Dysphoria is a symptom of the paraphilia

Only AGPs have a problem with the concept of AGP.

>>42164142
There aren't woowoo personality test pseudoscience typologies that cause heterosexual men to be heterosexual
>>42164144
Yes I do lol. The difference between men and transbians is often jarring including in shared hobby spaces, you are full of shit

>>42164157
>linebacker build
There are linebackers with an hourglass figure? Blanchtards stay true to the name I guess because the moment they have to consider evidence-based explanations for transsexuality they devolve into shrieking lobotomites.

>>42164168
dysphoria literally just means "i think the patient would benefit from transitioning"
it's not even a disease in the first place
it's just a symbol that doctors invented to have something to bill for
if trannies weren't terminally incurious about this stuff they'd have read all this primary literature themselves

>>42163978

>>42164175
>The difference between men and transbians is often jarring including in shared hobby spaces
yes, the transbians are even more stereotypically masculine and dominant in these places than the average spergy men kek

>>42164173
trvke

>>42164177
>hourglass figure
lmao stay delulu. mtfs who actually look female don't deny Blanchard or have this Powers cope

>>42164194
>more schizoid presuppositions

>>42164191
Keep living in your fantasy world ig, it will continue being an absurdist farce compared to what I and anybody who touches grass and hangs out with diverse groups of people can easily observe

>>42164185
>AGP cope
I was diagnosed with GID, not GD. I never said anything about hating my body to the clinician. No dysphoria, just clearly unable to make it as a man.

>>42164058
and have you understood actually straight men are only interested in pussy or are you still coping?
>inb4 frankensrussy = pussy

>blanchtard autists hijack the entire thread in the most mannish way
lol

>>42164202
>continued following of the jeep playbook
never change, jeeps

>>42164217
>i called u a man so i win

>>42164220
>Gets called out on buffoonery
>"Jeep! Jeep!"

>>42164212
A lot of "straight" men like my ass so and I don't really care about their orientation so much as like, commitment. Bi guys are often better because I can lean into faggotry a bit more while they still provide a nice relationship dynamic.

Dysphoria is autoheterosexual frustration. AGP is autoheterosexuality in males. The tranny rush to center early-onset crippling dysphoria as the mark of "trutrans" has led to 99% of them describing themselves as AGP without realizing it.

>>42164254
You haven't said any of the actually HSTS things, so you're AGP.

>>42164150
where can i find the full powers typology? seems interesting to read.

>>42164272
Powers typology = if HRT isn't working well, then Dr. Powers will try something else

>>42163919
Did you make any effort to sort the non-STEM lesbians out from the STEM lesbians to see if we have any particular tendencies? I ask because I never feel like I fit into any of these dumb typologies (which is why I treat them with suspicion, it's no fun being reductively flattened out of existence because you don't fit a stereotype).
t. work in a non-STEM female dominated middle class profession, pass, and transitioned in my early 20s, but am still a carpet muncher

>>42164288
"I'm a secret third thing" = AGP

>>42164271
>The Blanchtardery continues

>>42164132

Thanks for the reply. I know you didn't respond to my demographic questions but personally I tend to not take trans people and their stated preferences that seriously until they are out, are on HRT at least three years, and have actual dating experiences as a (trans) woman. I feel like the demographic/statistical dominance of early transition/closeted people creates what I might call the "reddit" effect where trans people end up being defined by the experience of transitioning or by self reported identity struggles and the lived experience of trans women who actually live as their target gender and have more experience to back up their self concept start to become lost in the data and become invisible. Although maybe there is no way to account for this issue due to the fact that a lot of this group might be harder to find and less vocal about being trans.

I was in a discord server that was almost 100% post op a while ago (I quit discord since) and there were a lot of differences from the bigger trsns internet hubs. Most notably none of them were boymoding.

>>42164281
okay but where can i read it

>>42164288
Is it nursing?

>>42164288
>I'm a real woman and not AGP because I sought out a female-dominated career so that I could feel like a real woman

>>42164375
>Here we see the Blanchtard in their natural habitat, lashing out at any neighboring trannies due to undiagnosed mental illness

>>42164202
you are the one claiming the unlikely, you could just prove what you said instead of exchanging insults
even many cis women don't have hourglass figures but we're supposed to believe you just because?

>>42164298
Except my core AGP score on the blanchtard scale was 0...
>>42164358
No, it's the other female dominated middle class profession
>>42164375
Actually it was a career I'd been interested in and wanted to pursue since I was a kid...

>>42164414
Hi Debbie Hayton

>>42163329
newsflash world is a spectrum gender and sexuality are separate things

>>42164392
i think some of the blanchtards on this board are chuds and chasers trying to use the agp hsts dichotomy to either argue against trans rights or guilt trip trans women into having sex with them

>>42164414
HSTS typically score 2-3 on the Core Autogynephilia Scale. You're probably just lying, as AGP are wont to do.

>>42164434
>It's more likely for everyone who doesn't fit cleanly to be a liar than it is for the typology to be flawed

>>42164444
Blanchard noted in his work that a significant portion of his subjects lied and were contradicted by their partners or by other family members.

>>42164413
If you want pics go to chasergen

>>42164425
randomly sperging about chasers is typical of transbians who see them as competition

>>42164472
AGPs are the ones who have to settle for chasers lmao

>interesting thread with smart people killed off by 60 iq apes screaming agp agp
i wish all of you a slow and painful death

>>42163329
Kill yourself, krautfaggot

>>42164469
Which operated off of the assumption that those partners and family members weren't lying or unaware.

Of the two long term partners I had before transition, one of them flat out clocked me as a repping tranny and when I went to come out to the other, they guessed I was trans pretty much immediately. I was also bullied for being a faggot by both peers at school and my stepdad despite, at the time, not demonstrating any androphilia.

The differing conditions of the 80s definitely added a layer of blinders to people at the time.

Even if Blanchard's methodology wasn't shit, the social conditions at the time no longer exist and his studies were pretty limited geographically.

>>42164507
>"stop calling me agp it hurts my feelings!"

>>42163329
OP please just make a new thread

>>42164489
>There are two types of trannies, the ones I want to fuck and the ones I don't

>>42164419
Excuse you I would never be a pickme clown like her lmao, also I don't teach science (or math, or engineering). But yes you've correctly guessed my profession.
>>42164434
I never had sexual fantasies about just being a woman pre-trans, sorry. I did fantasize about having sex while having a female body, but that's AIFS not core AGP. Nowadays since I have a cunt my sexual fantasies are me x another woman, what a shocker.

>>42164536
this but unironically

>>42163919
>i counted them as bisexuals and excluded them
Lmao bruh just casually manipulating shit to skew data because it doesn't fit neat
Blanchard 2.0

And now come the modified AGP life stories now that they've read up on what HSTS actually is and edited their stories to match. Yawn.

>>42164555
>Everyone who doesn't fit my preconceptions is lying to try and fit into the "good" category

>>42164555
you're a cis male aren't u

>>42164574
Unironically yes, that is exactly what AGPs do.

>>42164577
you're a masc transbian rapehon aren't u

>>42164555
Go ahead and tell me which part of my life story is modified then shrimp-dick, lmfao at your life

>>42164585
>They must be lying, so they're AGP
>They're AGP and therefore will lie
have you considered rethinking your logic

>>42164577
These types of posters are always a cis man who dated a trans woman and had such a horrible personality that he turned her into a lesbian, and now he inflicts his personality on the trans public as revenge

True hussies hate looking like women, except for the vagina. They don't like having breasts and hips. At their cores, they're gay bottoms.

>>42164589
i'm not a transbian. now answer my question

>>42163919
What are your definitions of early, mid, and late transitioning?
As time has gone on the average age of transition has gone down and down. I transitioned at 22, which would be considered early transition in old papers, though people on this board could call me any of the three.

Also, just say the fourth group.

>>42164626
meta meat attracted
using men to feed your fantasy of being a woman is gross

>>42164597
The not being AGP part lol

>>42164625
Then this makes me a husstuss by definition due to occasional reverse dysphoria, and that doesn't feel right tbhon, because I've even admitted in this thread about having to experienced AGP as well.

>>42164674
Or you're just not trans.
Or you're AGP and went too far.

>>42164686
It's weird. I have Autoandrophobia, but it's honestly kind of cyclical.

I struggled a lot with feeling inadequately masculine for a lot of my life, made it work for a bit, but then it just kinda broke? But I also had intermittent AGP, including seeing myself as the woman when I first encountered porn. Also a really difficult puberty with severe brain fog and dissociation. Before trooning out I almost felt like some kind of weird reverse trans man, and I still feel that way sometimes.

>>42164660
Closest I can give you is one time when I was 12 I tucked my dick in front of the mirror and thought about how much happier I'd have been if I was a girl, and I did get aroused...when I thought about what it would be like to have sex as a girl. But the idea of getting off to just imagining myself with a female body is anathema. No hate but IDK how that would even be arousing. The arousing part of sexual fantasies is the sex, or the anticipation and tension that come before sex, not just naked bodies.

AGP isn't real. Leave this place. If I was wrong I wouldn't bother saying this, but you know in your heart that I am correct.

>>42164779
AGP is real and it's not a bad thing. It's value-neutral.

>>42164794
Weird how the only people who bring up AGP use it to stigmatize people

>>42164794

It's a lens and it shatters when you try to use it in the current century. It's just not valid anymore

Am I AGP if I got SRS because my bf wouldn't have sex with me otherwise?

>>42163329
did you come across the nerdy effeminate since childhood gynophile archetype yet?

>>42164846
That's just AGP.

>>42163329

This is literally what transphobes say, I don't understand you. Why are you doing this.

>>42164821
AGP just means that you get sexually aroused simply by looking/dressing like a woman

>>42163919
lemme guess fourth is autopedos?

>>42164872
the ugly chinless short old chaser incels on this board thinks agp is anyone who refuses to fuck them in the ass