Its very good. The japanese country folk are light years ahead of us. I saw this movie where there is an old japanese farmer who chose to not have any electricity in his home. He is visited by a guy and the guy asks why you have no electricity, and you know what the farmer says? "The night is meant to be dark"And i was just blown away by how wise this old man was, how in harmony with nature he was. He was so right.We DONT NEED loud cars, airplanes, electric screens that deceive us, online people who pretend to be there. A human is meant for nature.The ideal environment for a human is on the outskirts of a small village. So when are tired of farming after a hard days of work, they can take a little walk into the village to socialize.If it was me id probably rarely ever socialize but im sure id have a few friends over now and thenIt just really hits you man, like in that moment of watching you realize TECHNOLOGY IS NOT NEEDED. Electricity is not needed. People got on just fineeeeee before electricity, and i would argue, perhaps even better.
I'm a hardcore environmentalist, but that doesn't mean I have to be a Luddite. He's not wrong to live the way he does, but technology=power and power=survival. I've said the Japanese are almost closer to Europeans in mindset than other Asians and I guess this is another case of that.
>>42182442What is the point of survival if all we are preserving is an ever hellish world .....Thats my line btw, i just came up with it. Yea im kinda japanese farmer pilled
>>42182422>"The night is meant to be dark"wow..
>>42182422No I'm not a reactionary luddite. I'm a leftcommunist.
>>42182460>What is the point of survival if all we are preserving is an ever hellish world .....Domesticated mentality and ironically very divorced from nature. Life is about struggle and none of us are entitled to be free from it by any celestial force. Despite the sorry state of the world, there is still beauty worth fighting for and the environment and wonderful creatures that inhabit it need us to do so. >>42182468Gross, then you're anti-environment. Communists are primarily concerned with production and consumption, hence why Marxist influenced governments have always had terrible ecological track records. >reactionaryMeaningless verbiage.
>>42182422Id like to do that but without tech trans people can't really be a community
>>42182422ok so get off this website then. stop watching your movies about japanese farmers. we don't need you and you sure as hell don't need us.
>>42182483The beauty of the world is diminishing, and it cant be retrieved. >>42182497I think there is a fair balance to achieve. Imho i think tech CAN be good, but it has to be sorta seperate from mainstream society. Im all for hospitals having the best tech but i think that tech should stay at hospitals, and research centers. And normal people should live in a non tech world.Basically my ideal society is a three way parallel, triangle society. Meaning all points of the triangle are seperate from one another.So basically at the top of the triangle you'd have noemal society, this should have no electricity, and be farmers artists etc and just generally peacful.Then on the left point of the triangle you should have a monarchy, that advocates for patriotism and is obviously walled off from the normal farmer society, this monarchy/aristocracy part of society is responsible for foreign trade and international affairs and defense/war, they have all the tech they need to ensure survival of the nation from outside forcesunfortunately its needed, a necessary evil perhapsOn the right point of the triangle you have science, medicine society, this part of society is also walled off. It has all the tech it needs to ensure a harmonious lifestyle and is strongly regulated by both the farmer society leader, and the aristocracy society leader.Meaning the tech society leader is submissive to the farmers and aristocrats!! Becauze tech is merely a tool, and tools should know their place. Get back in the lab NERD
>>42182560>>42182560>The beauty of the world is diminishing, and it cant be retrieved.It's true that what is lost cannot be regained in this regard, but you're still being unnecessarily fatalist. There is still much to preserve and being morose doesn't help.
>>42182560your ideal society sounds like a dystopian anime
>>42182483I'm not a Marxist-Leninist. I'm also not a utopian thinker who believes we can simply return to a prior pre-technological state of being. I'm very concerned with how capitalism carelessly destroys the planet. Capitalism is highly responsible for our alienation and disconnection from nature and one another. I just believe communism is the best path towards being able to address these things.
>>42182651>I'm also not a utopian thinker who believes we can simply return to a prior pre-technological state of being.Neither am I. >I'm very concerned with how capitalism carelessly destroys the planet. Capitalism is highly responsible for our alienation and disconnection from nature and one another.Good to hear, even if I have my doubts. "Communism" is a very broad term and doesn't tell me much, though. It's also an extremely sterile, drone-like mentality, which is why I eye any supposed environmentalist communists warily since they tend to narrow-mindedly worship humanity and focus myopically on materialism. That said, I do fully agree with your statement, although things like tragedy of the commons are extremely plausible to happen in any system and communism is biologically unnatural to humans, as well. >I just believe communism is the best path towards being able to address these things.I disagree. I used to be a decentralist, but I've learned the folly of humanity needs a strong hand to correct and that the environment needs a shield that only a state is capable of. However, let me reiterate that I'm glad you're ecology-conscious.
>>42182724Well in terms of thought about humanity I'm probably at the opposite end of the spectrum lol. I'm a council communist and big on spontaneity. I understand the nihilism towards humanity at large. But in my view people reinforce systems they don't believe in all the time simply for survival. And the state of how people are is often misinterpreted as human nature and all they're capable of and the decades and centuries of cultural and institutional indoctrination that made people like this is taken for granted.
>>42182778>But in my view people reinforce systems they don't believe in all the time simply for survival. And you are right. >And the state of how people are is often misinterpreted as human nature and all they're capable of and the decades and centuries of cultural and institutional indoctrination that made people like this is taken for granted.IMO, stuff like Communism and Libertarianism are both unnatural to humans. Communism supposes (near) total collectivism. Libertarianism proposes (near) total individualism. Humans are more like hyenas, in which we are a fission-fusion species, meaning we come together for purposes and then divide ourselves when competition becomes necessary or desired. Communism IMO is a side-effect of extreme genetic domestication, where the virility of humanity has been bred out and an overwhelming bias towards cooperativeness remains. It's not natural and is evolutionarily undesirable, I argue. Same goes in the opposite direction, but that's more amendable, I think. However, you sound more organic and not like the stodgy, pretentious Coms I've encountered.
>>42182422the key to preserving nature is more tech, not less. dense cities and higher crop yields let us support large, thriving societies while also being able to leave lots of land wild>loud carssolved by EVs>airplaneswhat's wrong with them?>People got on just fineeeeee before electricitythey in fact did notlots of people died of causes that are trivially easy to prevent todayair conditioning alone is miracle tech that single-handedly justifies all the downsides of electrification>>42182560this doesn't work, because all your soldiers, scientists, engineers, manufacturers, and their support staff etc. need to eatyour farmers have to make up >80% of your society to in order to feed them with pre-industrial methods. your rivals who can devote less labor to the production of food can devote more labor to everything else and will outproduce you.no one is going to be submissive to the farmers in this situation, the farmers are necessarily on the bottom of this hierarchy if they don't have modern technology
>>42182872>solved by EVsIronically, this isn't true at the moment. The majority of auto noise is actually generated by the rolling motion more than the engine (learned this on an environmental podcast). EV's actually worsen this because they're heavier and they have their own environmental costs, as well.
>>42182886>The majority of auto noise is actually generated by the rolling motion more than the engine (learned this on an environmental podcast)depends on speedEVs are noticeably quieter than combustion vehicles at city-traffic speeds
>>42182901I can neither confirm nor deny that, but I'll look into it. I'm not exposed to many EV's to give an appraisal. In general, I think motor vehicles need to be reduced in urban environments, electric or not.
>>42182872>your rivals who can devote less labor to the production of food can devote more labor to everything else and will outproduce you.Yeaaa i also came to this conclusion. But the person saying it reads like a anime dystopia gave me an idea.This would make for a pretty cool plotline. Im thinking of making a light novel now with this overarching triangle society trying to survive in a world where other countries devote their resources more logically. And i really like the idea of the artistocracy leader trying to psyop the farmer leader into submission but the farmer leader is nust too much of a chad too let the farmer people be corrupted by technology. If people try to invade, who cares? Just vietnam them
>>42182872there’s controversy going on where i live because a utilities provider is going to convert thousands of acres of old growth oaks into a solar farm. green tech feels like it only works when implemented under very ideal circumstances, makes it hard for me to be optimistic about. we’d be better off just spamming nuclear plants until we reach fusion
>>42182844The extreme collectivism is also something I disagree with. Something Anton Pannekoek often speaks on is this emergence of a new consciousness of man that's neither petty small minded individualism nor conservative subjugating collectivism. But a unity of the personal-feeling and community-feeling in service of each other.
>>42182872>dense cities and higher crop yields let us support large, thriving societies while also being able to leave lots of land wildwow yeah or we will just end up building an ever larger society while leaving just as little land wild as before
>>42182936>>42182844One last note. Communist thought is extremely wide and has a varied history with many differing perspectives. There's bound to be certain ones you'd agree with more.
what the hell does any of that have to do with being Japanese?
>>42182952Mitsubishi Hiroshima
>>42182936Interesting, although what may be considered an extreme form of collectivism is relative and subjective. Typically, any form of communism is too collectivist for me, but there are certainly some ideas I love from that pool of thought; I love the idea of material libraries like what Peter Joseph proposes, in which you'd have places where you'd borrow things like digital cameras, kayaks and stuff like that as you would books.>But a unity of the personal-feeling and community-feeling in service of each other.Sounds a little idealistic for my tastes, but I'm not opposed to learning about it. If you have any literature or materials on the subject you'd like to share, please feel free to leave them here, if you're inclined:https://zzzchan.xyz/pol/thread/4079.htmlIf not, no problem. >>42182938Urban environments are better for the total landscape because they use up less land in total, not to mention they cut down on the number of roads and pathways necessary, which cause environmental fragmentation.
>>42182938birthrates in the most technologically advanced societies would seem to indicate this won't happen>>42182912>In general, I think motor vehicles need to be reduced in urban environments, electric or not.yeah that's fairhaving lots of car traffic close to human habitation isn't great even if you deal with the noise and fuel emissions problem, because you still have to deal with things like tire dust
>>42183030>https://files.libcom.org/files/paul-mattick-anti-bolshevik-communism-2007_0.pdf>https://www.marxists.org/archive/pannekoe/1947/workers-councils.htm>https://www.marxists.org/archive/gorter/1918/world-revolution.htmHere's some main works. I'll also link the leftypol reading list. Simply scroll down to the section on council communism for any other works that may catch your eye. You could also just peruse anything else of interest.https://leftypol.org/leftypol/res/2543514.html
>>42183077>having lots of car traffic close to human habitation isn't great even if you deal with the noise and fuel emissions problem, because you still have to deal with things like tire dustYes, and that's something else that was mentioned on the podcast. Apparently the shit that comes off tires is quite harmful to humans, yet this is not something that is usually considered because it's functionally invisible. Of course we can't eliminate all vehicles, but cities really do need to be a pedestrian/bike/skateboard/rollerblades/etc first.
>>42183083Thanks, small world, I just decided to post a little on Redditpol earlier today; I usually only swing by there once in a blue moon. OK, I've posted these in my thread on Sleepchan.
