Genuine answers only please. I'm usually able to get into the heads of people with these sorts of kinks but this is absolutely beyond me. Like forced detrans in the way ftms tend to be? I suppose one can be into it the same way cis men are into sissification, but forced conversion? How can you explain the central focus of your kink being men if you're a lesbian? I feel like I'm so close to getting it but I can't, which is so frustrating. My current theory right now is that this person doesn't even identify as a lesbian outside of kink and only uses the label in the context of playing the role of a lesbian getting "corrected" by a man or whatever. It'll be very hard convincing me that these people can or deserve to be saved, and I'm saying that as someone that believes that your kinks aren't necessarily reflective of your beliefs.
It's just ravishment/degradation fantasy using exotic set pieces for bi women
>>42194864It's all just masochism really. You can find this sort of thing for most identity categories such as race, politics or even nations if you look hard enough.The lesbian is actually kinda unique since none of the women into it are actually lesbians. They are just masochistic bis that want to make the idea of being with a guy more taboo for themselves.On one hand I get being masochistic and perhaps even taking to some dark borderline self harm-y places. On the other hand I think the entire thing is just really cringe and I think can pain some minority groups in a negative light. Especially if your sexual fantasy involves role playing as an actual lesbian and public homophobia.The only version of this that really gets under my skin tends to be the detrans stuff. That can get really upsetting really quick and actually made it more difficult for me to make some ftm friends.
>>42194878I'm genuinely curious now how many of these ftm forced detrans and lesbian-conversion kink accounts are just bi women (who know that they're bi women) in disguise
>>42194905All of them. Plus larping men.
>>42194905It's all bi women, usually with romantic leanings toward women, or larping men. There might be a very rare "lesbian" with a hard degradation kink but wanting a man involved in that is still bi
>>42194899I feel a little stupid for even asking now bc it's so obvious now (They're just bisexuals) but yeah I feel you with the ftm thing. The forced detrans thing via a partner was something I actually experienced when I was very young, so it's genuinely a little vile to me, especially knowing that this isn't just some fantasy that most of the cis men that are into it have but something they actually want to carry out and influences how they see their partners. In general with these sorts of kinks involving an actual minority group, be it raceplay, forced detrans, conversion, etc, I am distrustful of the people who are into it that aren't part of the targeted minority group (Like for example, if you're black and into raceplay, I assume you hate yourself and have some shit to unpack. If you're white and into raceplay? I just assume you're racist. That's the sort of kink that can't be divorced from your actual beliefs.)How does this affect your ability to make ftm friends, tho? The other ftm friends I have aren't into this sort of stuff (afaik), so is there some way that it tends to infect their behavior outside of sex that I'm unaware of?
>>42194864They're bi definition but you have to realize that most self-defined lesbians *are* bi, real lesbianism is vanishingly rare.Secondly wanting to lose to cock is just like wanting to be cucked or castrated or whatever, it's just a degradation kink if taken to an extreme. It's precisely hating it and the sense of being permanently ruined in some way that makes it hot.
>>42194951I'm curious if you also hold that belief towards straight people and gay men (Like everyone being a little bisexual) or if it's just towards lesbians
>>42194943>it's genuinely a little vile to me, especially knowing that this isn't just some fantasy that most of the cis men that are into it have but something they actually want to carry out and influences how they see their partnersGenuinely mean no offense but if you think that cis men who date pooners don't see them as women and want to break them out of their "pretend man obsession" and fem them up you must be a bit stupid. They think of it like buying a used car or something, a renovation project and when they're done they'll have a pretty girl with big fat juicy tits in a tiny bikini that they could never have afforded if they'd picked it up in good shape. Pooners in denial about this are very common but it's a sign of being fucking stupid.
>>42194962It's not a "belief" like it's some ideologicl shit,e very stury ever done on sexuality shows that A) women are more fluid than men generally and B) exclusive lesbianism is extremely rare. Everyone knows this, even lesbians, which is why gold star is such a thing while "gold star gay" isn't even an idea that exists.
>>42194967>pretty girl with big fat juicy tits in a tiny bikini that they could never have afforded if they'd picked it up in good shapethat's at best like 10-20% of pooners
>>42194943>How does this affect your ability to make ftm friends, tho?I stumbled across the detrans stuff long before I ever meaningfully interacted with any ftms. So I think it just created this connection in my brain between detrans kink and ftms.So when I finally did start interacting with ftms, there was just this negative association between them and this kink that I find really gross and upsetting.It took me awhile to get over that.>>42194981The only lesbians who take the 'gold star' stuff seriously are weirdo rad fems in their late 50s. Nobody in the community actually cares about that shit.
>>42194990Uh-huh, and which poonies find it easiest to date cis men?
>>42194996most cis men who date poonies (if we aren't talking about teenagers) date the hairy fat ones (majority)
>>42194991>The only lesbians who take the 'gold star' stuff seriously are weirdo rad fems in their late 50s. Nobody in the community actually cares about that shit.Sure whatever, is a thing, was a thing, it makes no difference, the point is that whole concept was created in reaction to the extreme numbers of "lesbian" women who went back to dick, or who were just outright bi and went back and forth but called themselves lesbians for political reasons or sheer convenience to restrict which guys hit on them. You can check out some second wave feminist era writing about it, the oldhead lesbos were nuclear with rage about defecting bikes and the gold star is supposed to be a guarantee against it.
>>42195011Gonna have to disagree with you there, our personal experiences differ wildly apparently (except you must've also seen the ppl I'm talking about or else how could you think they're vile).
>>42195023It's a concept that is just as irrelevant to modern lesbianism as political lesbianism was. It is just old shit from 2nd wave feminism that nobody besides old 2nd wave feminists care about.If you actually knew anything about modern lesbianism, you would know that there is a real and justified hostility to bi women. But it has nothing to do with gold star bullshit.It's so fucking cringe to see you talking about a community you clearly know nothing about beyond some decades out of date ideas and your own homophobia.
>>42194967I think it's a little hyperbolic and overly pessimistic to hold this belief about every cis man that dates a trans man considering how many trans men are genuinely unpalatable to an actually straight man (You can't get a cute big tittied girlfriend once he's a fat hairy fuck with a full beard), but I'm also in no way denying that you describe the reality in the vast majority of scenarios. It's ungenerous to say tho that's entirely stupidity (Even if it plays a big part of it), as it's usually a result of not wanting to confront reality. Being attracted to men is incredibly isolating when gay men want nothing to do with you and when the men that actually want you only see you as an investment for a future girlfriend. That said tho, any self-aware, self-respecting trans man would at least hold off on pursuing cis men until they were at a certain point in their transition.>>42194991A little strange that that was your first meaningful exposure to trans men, which I guess is a testament to how harmful that kink can be. I'm glad you got over that tho
>>42195060Justified hostility to the default factory model female (and, curiously, tranny)?Women "coming out" as bi was once bad and "queer" in the perjorative way. But it's not fucking award-worthy anymore. There's no bravery in it. Women are just discovering sexuality was studied by men and men are used to stricter sexualities that require visual target confirmation and not just feelings or societal training, so their female bisexuality is perfectly normal and is basically autosexuality anyway.
>>42195060>But it has nothing to do with gold star bullshit.WTF are you talking about, gold star is 100% an earlier generation's form of the same hostility.>It's so fucking cringe to see you talking about a community you clearly know nothing about beyond some decades out of date ideas and your own homophobia.Step 1: Totally miss the pointStep 2: Seethe at a strawmanStep 3: ?????Step 4: Profit
>>42195110>I think it's a little hyperbolic and overly pessimistic to hold this belief about every cis man that dates a trans manI mean for sure, I'm talking about cis men in general as a group, not each individual cis man without exception. The prevalence of bi men with weird kinks alone is a guarantee that there will be *some* genuine appetite for the full beard + beer gut + pussy combo. That ain't what's happening in general though, as you point out.>That said tho, any self-aware, self-respecting trans man would at least hold off on pursuing cis men until they were at a certain point in their transition.Agreed. That being said (and to your point about it being isolating to face reality) the vast majority of those pooners that do this end up saltposting about how impossible it is to date as a 4'11" bald man with no dick, regardless of whether they're into men or women. So... they're not dating cis men in significant numbers, simple as. If a pooner has a bf it's overwhelmingly likely to be because of her fat jugs, ooey-gooey drum-tight puss and poondose of T that does nothing but increase her libido.
>>42194864It's always a bisexual person who claims to be a lesbian. The world is lost. We'll have to sacrifice them, after all, this animal is in deep psychological distress.
>>42194864This is just a bisexual guy pretending to be a woman for an extremely specific fetish. Irl it's just bi women larping so they can get off harder.To be fair i'm a moid and i would pretend to be gay to get mommydommed by a woman who's rly into idea of gay conversion therapy via big booby sex.
>>42195390I'm a straight cis male and i sometimes claim to be a lesbian for comedic purposes. Normies find it rly funny bc the notion of a man being a lesbian is hillarious and absurd.
>>42194905they're all bi womencalling yourself a lesbian and taking dick from dudes is just a very roundabout way to avoid admitting being bisexual>t. dude who has been with these crazy girls
>>42195727>To be fair i'm a moid and i would pretend to be gay to get mommydommed by a woman who's rly into idea of gay conversion therapy via big booby sex.kek
>>42195733Well, if you do it for humorous purposes it's not worrying, what is worrying is an old marmanja wanting men and declaring herself a lesbian or a man (cis or trans) also declaring himself a lesbian, not ironically, because it's an absurd idea, after all, lesbians exclusively like other women and trying to include men in one of the only feminine categories that doesn't include them is quite sad, haha.
>>42194864They're bisexual. It's just that men are horny for lesbian pussy, even though they will never get one.
