Gaining weight does not help at all FYI, here's my warning to all those who think they'll look better if they're on HRT and gaon weight You'll just look more like a guy and you won't get larger boobs or butt, or at least no more than any guy would (I didn't like how I looked already and hate it worse now)I wasn't one but I think fatmaxxers are eating addicted and coping sorry>uncensor the nipplesNo + I'm fat now so probably no one is going to ask this anyway lolPicrel: before and after gaining weight
uncensor the nipples
>>42237806lmao, and trannies think hrt actually makes you feminineinstead it makes you a fat guy with gyno instead of a skinny lean twinkbillions must detroon
>>42237806I look great and pass at any weight between 140lbs and 170lbs tho
>>42237806op prob binge ate mcdonalds 2 months on hrt lol
I was on a journey to fatmaxxI went up to 147 but was seeing my gut get fat and stomach areaI quit that and now im just trying to get to 120lb to get flat tummyIm also on prog and that shit isnt helping.
>>42237832Yeah I'm basically a fat guy with gyno now.I was a skinny lean twink already, got gyno, but that's it.I think curves, if they come at all, come over a really long term scale maybe. Or maybe I'm just unlucky.Still not detrooning lol. I already basically consider myself a dysphoric male on estrogen anyway.>>42237849Nope lol and also it wasn't really intentional. I'm about a year in.
>>42237860get yo fat ass back in trannerland
>>42237806I'm sorry you didn't get your desired results but this isn't anywhere near a universal experience. Fat distribution requires fat to distribute. Your genetics, diet, exercise, and metabolism can cause a lot of variation, and for some that might produce middling results. Good news though, you can lose the weight.
>>42238017Maybe that should be specified as advice to skinny 2 years on HRT people with no fat or something? I think it takes fat cells dying and new ones being made. I just over ate before new ones were made I guess. And yeah maybe exercise helps deplete and kill off the old ones faster?
dw cis men often fall for the bulking meme tooi think it might be an amab thingmaybe a stupid thingdo lots of cardio it's good for your health, your brain, your transition, it makes you look abd feel better. just do it plz.
try pio unless you're just early in transition or have bad levels
>>42238112>maybe a stupid thingVery possibly. I feel stupid.Also I hade these new captchas wow.
>>42237806>You'll just look more like a guy and you won't get larger boobs or buttyeah no not what happened to me. still not a big fan of how my fat distro turned out on hrt but at least i got a lot more in my butt and thighs than in my stomach
>>42237806lol nice manbodalso yea it does help just make sure you don't go thru male puberty first protip
>>42237806just shave again and you will look better tham before
>>42238209>lol nice manbodlol thanks> also yea it does help just make sure you don't go thru male puberty first protipfuck you>>42238017actually I did have bad levels for like a month and a half a while back so maybe that made it worse
>>42238213> better tham beforeno matter if i shave my body is clearly more square than before and i have more visceral fat and subcutaneous gut fat
>>42237806ive been saying this for years. i fell for the pio psyop please educate yourself before you make the same mistakes. i miss twinkhon status so much
>>42238242pio?
>>42238242you look the same
>>42238257pioglitizone>>42238259i literally had fat amassion on the upper half of my body i look even worse now
>>42238242You look good though unlike me lol. You're bragging.
>>42238264you look exactly the same
>>42238273things got worse is my point and that some people are build for being skinny
>>42238264your waist and shoulders look mildly bigger but so do your breasts and thighs
>>42238289You look exactly the same, like the other anon said.>>42238298I do not see a difference.
>>42238289what dosage pio and for how long did you take between the photos?
>>42238298which when ur already a brickhon like is not a good idea>>42238320so pre is5'6" 125and post ~1.5-2 months 30 mg pio nightly its135 or soi dont have sharper measurements but my waist is up like an inch and my ass is definitely filling into some clothes more. i just hope it stays that way when i lose this weight
>>42238396So likely the problem is just the rapid weight gain not th pio itself....?
>>42238475u have to rapidly gain weight on pio oomfie u cant stay on it for more than 6 months
>>42237806lol you exclusively gained visceral fat from the looks of things. either you had bad levels, put on weight way too quickly while eating loads of refined carbs without exercising, or were just unlucky. fatmaxxing does often take a few attempts, your body can't just instantly switch to storing gynoid fat if it's never done it that way before, it'll take some time for it to shift. still though most mtfs who gain weight will not gain this much visceral fat as long as they eat reasonably healthily and have good levels.
>>42238760ok so what should we do to better follow this psyop anon. fucking baitposter
>>42238760>>42238772see? nothing
>>42237806are you even on hrt? why is your body hair even worse in the 2nd pic
>>42238794well if you're the other anon i was going to write a helpful reply to you but given your attitude i don't really want to anymore. 135lbs is slim for most people your height, you need to gain more than just 10lbs if you want it to look like you've gained weight. i have other suggestions too but you seem unpleasant so i'm not sure i want to help you.
Istg we need to start killing anyone who talks about their transition without saying what they've been taking and how long two years on injections with regular aerobic exercise and two months of hondose pills while couch potatoing are going to have wildly different fucking results i literally have we literally have zero point of reference here
>>42238573Sure, but this rate of weight gain far exceeds what is shown in the available studies showing this increased subcutaneous fat effect(<5% over 4-6 months being the norm) while she is already at 8% in 2 months, its seems plasuable that amount has just exceeded the rate at which the new desired adipocytes can grow leading to undesirable fat disposition elsewhere.
>>42238242you have female fat distributionyoure hot af and i say that as a straightman whos only into cis women
>>42238806sorry 4 crashing out on u i just hate pio so much its also making me irritiable bc like no insulin so i just hate everything>>42238853do i slow down my weight gain? do i try to anamaxx to go back down? do i give up? i kinda dont want to do a lot of cycles because my grandpa died of bladder cancer.>>42238908humor me do you think 1 or 2 looks better?
>>42238984Continuing out the cycle with more modest weight gain getting up towards 140 by the end of six months seems the most practical path
your on a hondose arent you
>>42239119that sounds horrible but thank you
>>42238573Why cant you stay on it for more than 6 months?
>>42239653i dont really understand it but pio kind of really sucks for ur body if u dont have diabetes. it makes u hyper insulin sensitive so u use up all the insulin in your body really fast and then have to live without it and its really bad on ur bladder and also liver i think? idk i just heard 6 months
>>42239670Okay ty
>>42238802Shaved my stomach before and haven't been doing so
>>42237860Btw I'm OP and I'm 150 lbs now. I'm not going to go all the way back down to 120 (last time I was that weight I was literally fainting sometimes) but I'm going to make 135 lbs a goal
post ur nips fatty
>>42241220NoAlso I'm going to eat at a deficit and lose ten pounds in maybe two months and then I'm going to look more like the left photo again and not be a fatty (really this is just a tend pound difference, maaybe 15 lbs but I doubt it, I just look horrible like this)
>>42238242every thread with an ugly hon gets a gigapassoid to post their pics. Could be a goated chaser play desu
>>42241261No I'm OP and I really look like the ugly hon in the pic sorry
>>42238242would look good without the manboobs
>>42237806yeah breast growth takes months but deep tissue action takes years.You have to be happy with yourself today because hormones only fix future problems they don't fix today problems (except by giving your some mental hope and relief)for breasts the ideal strategy is to gain weight slowly and never really starve yourself except for maybe an irregular daily fast for whatever reason whether you ate too much or just feel it's been a while>being hungry can't be good for you surely my ancestors were never hungryokaywith bodies always go for slow changes when you're doing mass re-composition with muscle and fat. Not stretch marks, no loose skin, no skeletor, no ham planet. "The normal way is the way" that's what they say by the way
>>42241415>>being hungry can't be good for you surely my ancestors were never hungryI never said this. Deficits require at least a little bit of hunger sometimes, doesn't it?
>>42241443*don't theyStupid of me
>>42240883>Btw I'm OP and I'm 150 lbs now. I'm not going to go all the way back down to 120 (last time I was that weight I was literally fainting sometimes) but I'm going to make 135 lbs a goalmaybe you ain't eaiting enough
>>42241513You can clearly see I'm eating too much if you look at my fat man bod now lol, just look at the pictures.I was about 135-140 pounds in that first leftmost picture.
>>42241574you have to find the sweetspot between what you ate before and after without gaining weight
>>42237806Skill issue OP, take care of your happy trail>picrel me spring last year
>>42242263you still look fat as fuck
>>42237806You're basically right OP. Gaining weight is honscience and I've been saying it since I saw this shit start years ago. I think it was a psyop started by fat fetishists.If you have the bones and genetics to look more feminine while fatter you're almost always just as feminine while skinny and healthierAnd worse case scenario you have shit genetics like OP, put it all on your tummy and it masculinizes you.
>>42237806i gained a moderate 10 lbs from 124-134 while transitioning and it worked out great
>>42242305>your still fat (ᗒᗣᗕ)՞rather be soft and squishy for men than be a weird skeleton gremoid
>>42242536lol wrong pic
>>42237806how did you grow more belly hair on estrogen??
>>42237832Can someone please be honest and tell me if HRT actually helps or not. Because honestly if it doesn't do shit it's not worth going infertile over... I swear most of the work is long hair, makeup, facial hair removal, and ffs. Everything else is cope.
>>42242929There's no risk to trying hrt for fertility, isn't really a concern for years
>>42241390ive actually considered it believe it or not just bc i like the flat look 2 but especially in a lot of tight tops having boobs makes ur ribcage look smaller which i neeeeeeeeeeeeeeed>>42241261still waiting on that gigapassoid to post.....
>>42237883>I'm about a year in.come back when your 3-4 years in, ur first year is about slowly ramping up to a good dose. ive been on hrt for 4 years now and my boobs didnt even round out until 3 years in u just have to be patient
>>42237806>you won't get larger boobs or butt>literally gets larger boobsthis shit is a marathon not a race you're gonna have to wait a while until hrt does shit and you don't have a beer belly
>>42242263Your nails look great are they press on?
>>42243627Yep, I think in that pic i using glamnetics nails the color is boba i used to like OPIs press ons but they don’t usually sell black anymore :/
>>42242565>>42242536>>42242263holy angle fraud. i can still tell that it's gone to your midsection in the first pic. i can also tell that your boobs look pretty saggy. i feel comfortable being this harsh since your ego is out of control and you probably don't care.but even if you were blessed that doesn't mean others will be. anyway you do kinda succeed at middle aged mom moding.>>42237806desu i felt like i did see the fat go to some trannies asses and thighs, but i guess it was just squats lol. i did fatmaxxing because i still looked like a skinny male, but now, after gaining weight, i look like a pretty generic shapeless tranny. i lost one of my only good features, which was a slim waist, to gain bigger boobs. it didn't go to my ass, just my thighs, which desu just disgusts me.it was easier to cope when i was underweight, because i could just do the proana type shit of equating a thigh gap, thin wrists, etc., with beauty. it's cringe highschool bullshit but still. maybe it's time to stop all that and musclemax...
>>42244314im crazy but i still think that anorexic look suits a lot of trannies. we just dont have the shoulders to make boobs look good in a lot of cases
>>42244314>waaaaahhh y-y-you’re angle frauding and your tits are saggy you’re ego is out of control! And you’re old and don’t careLike I said skill issues
>>42244560me when im in a give unproductive advice challenge and my opponent is a luckshit with no empathy
>>42242929HRT changes a LOT like are you fucking kidding me. Yeah OP looks kinda grim but if she was on testosterone she'd probably be a straight up hairy mangolemFucking insane how people dont understand what HRT does when theres volumes upon volumes of material showing it. Open your eyes
>>42242929why do u want kids. whats wrong with you
>>42237806Sub 20% body fat = male. This is a disingenuous post as you are just focusing on the torso. Women have bellies too and it's clear a lot has gone subcutaneous. Best to bulk to 30-35% body fat with pio, prog and e and then get surgeries as appropriate i.e. fat transfers & silicon to enhance the female curves. Congrats you now have a passing body.
>>42244784>UpdateOr you could look like a thinspo tumblr girl like I do
>>42244718What in the fuck would be wrong about wanting kids?
>>42244941wanting to father a child as a tranny is insane
>>42245262yall its not fathering if youre a woman
>>42245309>impregnating a woman's womb with my sperm isn't fathering, check your transphobia yall
>>42245309Gonna ruin a child with tranny genes, get yourself a husband and stop this nonsense
>>42245336yall get so hung up on genetics
>>42243019>first year is about slowly ramping up to a good dosethere is zero evidence afaik for supporting titrating your dose. you can just start with a proper dose right away>>42244348>that anorexic look suits a lot of tranniesit really does. like the couple posted in this thread they look sooo good. im considering it my self to get back to being a bit under weight once my tits have grown>>42245534ye personally im not having kids because one i dont wanna pass on tranny genes, two i dont wanna pass on generational trauma, three kids are exhausting and way too expensive and four i jork it to loli hentai so i shouldnt be allowed unsupervised with kids anyway
>>42245919it's not genes i just don't want to put my fucking sperm in a woman's vagina that's the most male thing you could doand the fact freezing it isn't even enough for you to transition indicates to me you want to do it 'naturally', which is even worse.
>>42246247i didnt say anthing about what i want if you recall. i will have children by natural birth after carrying them for 3 trimesters someday
>>42244941look at me i want to be embody the epitomy of masculinity (cumming inside a woman and making her bare my seed) but also want to be a woman what the fuck is wrong with you.
>>42237806FATMAXXING IS FOR GYNOIDSif youre an android you shouldn't even troon because theres NO HOPE for you
>>42238242>forgot about shadows
anon, I get that it didn't work for you and I'm sorry, but going from a twink to a fat bitch really did wonders for me. I think more than "it working" or not, it's all genetics, sadly. I started prog 10 days ago and my breasts are already like this, I'm 2 years hrt, 6 months on injections, rest was pills and subpar patches (diy). Normally I'd post full pic with face but this thread is kinda negative.
>>42243019i am five years on hormones (with good levels) and gaining weight does the same thing to me :( i'm eating healthy tooi think some of us are just not built right
>>42246430esl moment, i meant i had good growth before starting prog obviously lmao
i lost a ton of weight without trying and my boobs shrank like a cup size
>>42246610hope this happens to me but i keep good shape
>>42237806Gaining weight was the worst mustake I've ever commited. Instead of making me pass better it just made me look like a dat moid with gyno instead of a petite twink with tits
>>42244784Not pictured: my thighs, hips, and butt that are exactly the same size and did not grow at allI seem to be pretty unlucky
>>42237832it actually widen my hips even more as the testoterone fat distribution from my stomach started going into my legs and hips. I look a lot better than when I was a twink. Sounds like repressor cope
>>42247416Have you been keeping track of measurements before and after?It's very easy to notice to belly after all it's what you see straight in the mirror. And as I said providing it's subcutaneous, you can transfer it at a later date, either to breast, bum or hips or face.10% of fat cells are replaced every year, so you're going to have to wait longer than a year for the male distributed fat cells to die off and for new fat cells to be created elsewhere. 90% of transition activities you will look shit initially, but it's necessary to achieve the endgoal.
>>42244560What is that cleavage girl no offense please pick a picture where they actually look like tits this just looks like a skin fold
>>42237806Was thinking about this post, questions for OP:>what is your hrt routine?>are there any other meds you are on? Which?>do you have any health conditions?Answer those pl0x
>>42238222>actually I did have bad levels for like a month and a halfwas gonna say ur pic looks like improper levels,u dont gain weight like that as even the unluckiest woman so something wrong with hormones, probably e but maybe cortisol, spiro is evil.
>>42237806levels issueor estrogen insensitivitybad advice weight gain is good for passing in the majority of non hondosed cases
when people are claiming this is due to bad levels, do they strictly mean too low? or could having too high E cause this too?
>>42259600it's low e2 or high cortisol + inactivity generallysuper high e can cause insulin sensitivity but doesn't result in OP body
>>42259098its literally not a lot of fat doesnt look v good on a lot of male skeletonsthis thread proves it
>>42259792thanksany easy way to know if you have high cortisol besides a blood test?
>>42259792Low e2 was definitely the issue.I'm really upset though. I look so terrible now and I feel like it'll take a long time to fix.
>>42261925how low was it exactly?
>>42261952Under 100 pg/mL which is nearly male range Terribly low
>>42237806another victim of the fatmaxxer cult LOL
>>42261968you still have your balls too right? with an AA? it probably wasn't too awful but yeah fairly low.
idk it worked pretty decently for me
>>42261968im so sorry nona. you can get it back
>>42262373you actually look fairly similar to me on the right. how much did you end up gaining
>>42262395like 40-50 lbs all in all over the course of 3 years or so
>>42262373you look better skinnier
>>42262419desu i don't really care which way people find me hotter, i do not struggle to pull and i have an objectively more feminine frame now. i could probably stand to lose 10 or 20 lbs though.
>>422382420 difference
>>42263359waist went up a literal inch oomfie ill post a full at the end of my pio course but ittttt suckssssssssss
I haven't eaten since this thread went up out of fear.
>>42246430mogged to hell and back and i'm 2.5 years hrt and 1 year on progsome people were meant to troon but i was just meant to die
>>42263375WHY does it suck? Side effects?
>>42261173you can sorta guess based on appetite increasing or crashing, + face/belly/upper back weight gain if gaining weight... after being in really stressful situations, or prolonged moderate stress with little/no decompression/recovery time.
>>42263683u have to be fat on it for it to even allegedly work (which i dont think it does see picrel up)and yess side effects suck. u have no energy ever bc no insulin or whatever. you also are irritible bc no blood sugar or whatever and the risk of bladder cancer is vv high
>>42237806eating more to fill out my face and hope i won’t lose that fat
>>42237806The actual strat is to start fat and lose weight after starting hrt
>>42263917can confirm this doesnt do shit. much more beneficial to start anorexic and gain a lot of weight after about a year. i started at about 180lb, lost 40lbs on hrt over the course of like a year or two and got really, really lackluster results. i only saw actual progress once i started gaining weight
>>42263795Plebbitors act like it's a magic drug you can hondose and just become curvy in a year with 0 issues. I've been had!
i gained a moderate 10 lbs and it worked out for me
>>42264571Sooo cute :3Good luck, nona! You're doing gr8!
>>42264571You already had hips. If you didn't it'd just create dips and look terrible like it did for me.Weight gain just emphasises whatever you had already I guess. People who would have passed without it trying to bait twinkhons into passing less. Because they can't resist posting their bodies for attention and have no care for anyone but themselves.>>42264608Fucking transbians
>>42264571anglefraud
>>42264571Wtf how'd you get those god tier hips
>>42264571i want to fucking die
>>42264571for how long on hrt and starting age?
how long into hrt should you start weight cycling? Is it ok to start sooner?
>>42264860>they can't resist posting their bodies for attention i’m sorry, other people were posting bodies and i wanted attention too >>42264990i’m 24 in the before pic, after is 2.5 years hrt
>>42262391Well thanks, hopefully in a few months maybe if I work out I can lose some weight.(Also not to you subcutaneous fat actually isn't good because it doesn't go away as easily. It would be fine of it was fat that had gone to the right places, but a bunch of subcutaneous stomach fat is not at all helpful.)>>42251798I'm sure I gained a little bit of weight in the thighs and butt, as even normal males do. I haven't measured but whatever growth is hardly noticeable.>>42264998The whole point is to tell you not to weight cycle
>>42264571average low T male
>>42264998As soon as t is suppressed & e is good. The early the start the better, because lots of fat cells need to be created and filled. Fat cells can't move & the existing cells will be male distributed. As estrogen prioritises female distributed fat cells, these will fill at a greater rate than the male distributed cells, however both will fill. It's not given that new fat cells can be created in adulthood, to a large effect, so pioglitazone is often employed, which, simply put, allows one to created a lot of new female distributed cells. While fat cells don't move through natural processes, they can be physically moved through liposuction and injection in other areas of the body, so male distributed subcutaneous fat is not the end of the world. As initially one starts mostly with male distributed cells, initial bulks can fill male distributed areas, but this improves over time, as more fat cells are created elsewhere, & the cut period deflates the male cells to a greater extent.
>>42264860>Fucking transbiansNot a transbian, lol.But I always compliment nonas making legit progress.
>>42237806Lmao, ruined
>>422657026 month Bulk phase: significant calorie surplus, pioglitazone, prog, e, aa as needed3 month cut phase: calorie deficit, prog, e, aa as neededFirst bulk: mostly male distributed gainfast forward Later bulks: mostly female distributed gain
Right is what I looked like pre-transitiont. Pooner
>>42238242everyone saying theres no difference is lying however this just seems like a normal woman growing up type change.
>>42265146>24 before HRTholy luckshit. ahh, some people are just blessed huh>>42265749>i always praise narcissistic whores who had their transition handed to them lolk-k-k-k-kill yourself!
>>42263795>>42264531you didn't eat enough if you had insulin issues, carry around a pack of gummy bears, also your start and end weight are too close together.absolute skill issue
>>42265702>Fat cells can't moveanother semi-misconception, fat cells can't literally move but they absolutely can shrink in androgenic fat deposits - leaving behind shrunken fat cells that are quite small - while gaining in feminine fat deposits.This is close enough in effect to mean the same thing for most people, so it's probably best to not outright state that fat cells can't move.
>>42264571i wish i could block people on this site>>42268605yeah i have insulin issues spingus thats how pio works. i literally eat (and drink sugar too) constantly and am halfway through anywaydont be mean this stuff is a psyop
>>42264531and yes im taking 30mg so im not underdosing
>>42269226>i literally eat (and drink sugar too) constantlyI don't really trust you since you only gained 15lbs and hyperobsessed about a single inch waist fluctuation which can easily be explained by water retention.Pio, +40lbs over 3 months, while walking 5 miles a week and eating a high fiber and protein diet.If that doesn't work then you can call pio a psyop but rn what you're doing is a major skill issue.
>>4226975340 pounds in 3 months is fucking crazy anon. im aiming to do 35 in 6.i didnt know about high fiber and protein but i already have those i think (and i work on my feet) so likeeeeeeeeeee im kind of basicallyyyy there.my point was that i look worse now than i did when i started. thats it
Results my vary…my body seems to quite like estrogen
>>42237806>fell for the fatmaxxing psyopwhen are trannies gonna learn fatmaxxing is literally a meme
>>42261925>Low e2 was definitely the issue.how did that happennot a single mention of dose or regimen itt
