do you feel sorry for trans people who can't pass no matter what they do?do you avoid irl interactions with non passers because you're worried you might get outed by association?just wondering what it's like to exist as a normal member of society while hons are miserable and ostracised?
>>42239972>do you feel sorry for trans people who can't pass no matter what they do?Of course! but I hope with enough time that most of them eventually do or reach a point in life where it’s not negatively impacting them.>do you avoid irl interactions with non passers because you're worried you might get outed by association?I’m not bothered getting outed (unless like a group of nazis were roaming around, but that’s just personal anxiety). I’ve met all kinds of non-passers, bad and good, and the good outweigh the bad.>just wondering what it's like to exist as a normal member of society while hons are miserable and ostracised?i mean, identical as cis people i guess? But it doesn’t mean being a hon is destined to be miserable or isolated. There are plenty that make life flourish still and who create meaningful relationships and community that support them. But they put in the effort and there is some luck involved with meeting the right people. There’s always hope and humans are best at persevering. There is hope for you too.
>>42239972Giving opposite perspective here but I’m a non-passer who’s 2 best friends are stealth and it doesn’t affect our friendships at all. I kinda think people try to overcomplicate and vilify passing trans women in these scenarios when in reality bitter assholery goes both ways if the people involved are bitter assholes. Also I haven’t outed my friends even when people they know from being stealth have gendered me male so I think it’s a blown up concern ngl. Kind of just a very babytrans worry that doesn’t translate to the real world as much imo.
>>42240034are you jealous of them
>>42239972>1Most of the time, yes. Though I will insist that most of the time the "no matter what they do" isn't entirely true.>2No. I avoid IRL interactions with excessively neurotic people and assholes.Contrary to online stereotypes, hons aren't more asshole-ish than others.I'm also not worried about being outed because it's not an issue IRL. I can be a woman in the eyes of everyone and have a twinkhon friend. Most people don't care as much as it's assumed on this board.>3There are plenty of miserable and ostracised cis people too, OP.I'm with >>42240005 that there is no "rule" that being a hon is destined to be miserable or isolated. But true in reverse as well: there is no "rule" that being a passoid is destined to be amazing. I'm very content with my life, heck, even euphoric sometimes, but it's not a universal passoid experience. Again, just like with cis people.But then again, i don't make being trans the central part of my identity. So probably that helps. In fact I know it helps because that's how I got my hon friend to relax as well. Took a while but now she's no longer constantly ruminating about this and instead focuses on what she does best (carpentry in her case) and, lo and behold, she's now much happier. And the happier she gets, the more happy people she attracts.Cissoids don't clock trannies per se. They clock insecurity.
>>42240071There can be an invasive thought sometimes about it but it’s more to do with the support I lack compared to them (they’re the only people in my life supportive of my transition and who gender me female while they have a lot of family support). Reality is you’re all trans and it’s not a taboo thing to talk about if you’re adults about it, I know they have invasive thoughts of jealousy toward me too because we discuss these things. I also think it helps I’ve been transitioning a bit longer than both of them so at least I’m mentally transitioned and comfortable enough to handle anything that could possibly linger. Again doubling down on my thinking this is much more a babytrans worry.
>>42240096>Cissoids don't clock trannies per se. They clock insecurity.what do you mean? they can tell that they're male
>>42240137>they can tell that they're maleYes. But they care a lot less to mock them for it if the hon is genuinely fun to be around.Honfidence gets a bad rap, but it works more often than not.
>>42239972Naw, I looooove clocky trannies. IMO they're fuckin gorgeous since I like all women with that phenotype
i’m a pooner but i don’t hang out with “ftms” who don’t at least try to pass as cism.
>>42240118ngl being around 2 stealthoids who trooned after you sounds rough
>>42239972>do you feel sorry for trans people who can't pass no matter what they do?yes>do you avoid irl interactions with non passersyes>because you're worried you might get outed by association?no>just wondering what it's like to exist as a normal member of society while hons are miserable and ostracised?pretty great honestly. everyone is nice to me and goes out of their way to help and protect me. it's honestly everything i imagined and more
>>42240286It’s only a year’s difference at most between us plus they’ve both had a couple of surgeries. There’s no point sitting wondering why we’re different when all 3 of us have had extremely different experiences.>>42240162Can honestly back this up. I can get a lot of really horrible judgement when I’m alone but besides misgendering nothing like that ever happens when I’m with my friends. Confidence might not equal passing but it’s a massive shield.
