why is trans acceptance lower in america than in other wealthy first world countries?
>>42246741The 2026 stats in america are probably something like 20% or worse. Absolutely third world tier.
>>42246741because america is third world. next question
>>42246741Vanity from old men who don’t realize that things have always been shitty in this country
>>42246741Because in many countries, it moved at an acceptable pace with mostly good looking trans women.In the US, big, fat, hairy, greasy men just started showing up in the women's showers claiming to be women.Should have sent the hot ones in first.
it's for the same reason more and more americans are rejecting vaccines, because the average american is a lobotomite retard who doesn't know their ABCs
>>42246741the american right wing is fully pushing for old fascist politics, if you know anything about fascists its that they NEED a jew to demonize, so they found a tiny group that cant defend itself, spent millions and never shut up about usmost of the right wing in europe are a different brand of right wing and focused entirely on immigration
>>42246845>more and more americans are rejecting vaccines, because the average american isShocked when they go abroad and realise that every third advert doesn't HAVE to be one selling medication, with half of the advert dedicated to the disclaimer and warnings.
>>42246741America has a lot of religious schizophrenia relative to its wealth.
>>42246741america is not and has never been a civilized country. this is clear as day to virtually everyone but americans. america is a christo-fascist shithole built on slavery and with a complete lack of social cohesion. "fuck you got mine" is the heart of american ""culture"". youre also the self titled land of the free despite being less free than any other western nation. t: a finn
Quality of American troons is lower
>>42247050there may be a higher amount of agp hons but the difference isn't huge
>>42247050not really when compared to the average american, who is also butt ugly and obese
>>42247050But many of those top listed countries gatekeep and hondose their trannies into not passing. They just aren't outright hideous when don't pass since they had healthy diets and exercise growing up.
>>42247114america has more giga turbo chrischan type hons but the median in europe is worse overall (not southern europe though)places like germany and england have some atrocious troons
>>42246741because the us is evangelicuck central
Way lower baseline trust in the medical system in America made the rethoric around minor transitioner much more convincing to the average American.
This
>>42247146They probably work harder to look good because they get hatecrimed if they don't. I don't want to hit a tranny but if it makes her prettier I'll do it.
>>42246930America is founded on genociding the native americans and enslaving africans in horrendous conditions for hundreds of years, and this ended extremely recently, its been 70 years since civil rights
The Republican party started using us as a distraction from how corrupt and destructive their policies are. A good wedge issue. They already lost on gay marriage, and now everyone's used to gay people. So they use us, because we can be easily lied about, you can do a "save the children" angle, and it's racy material (surgery, sex, genitals). because we have a lot of crazy fundies in this country, and our educational system is godawful (public schools underfunded and sex ed crippled, homeschooling is legal and common) it's easy to lie to Americans and whip them up into a fervor. And that's what they've been doing, relentlessly, for a few years now.
>>42247806Gonna be wild when the propaganda stops and Americans wake up in a late stage fascist hellscape.Fascism, at first, appeals to the masses, its psychologically pleasing to feel superior and taps into the dark side of the human brain to see others suffering.As time passes, facist societies are forced to expand the definition of other until anyone and everyone is a wrecker against the system.Trump supporting farmers are slowly, very slowly, starting to realise this, but its too late ofcourse
>>42246741The fact that they only ask about mtts shows how it’s all fundamentally the same as MRA shit.Ask the other way around and the percentages would be different. MtT acceptance != trans acceptance
what is a trans
You guys are a bunch of vain self obsessed retards demanding others have to accept you and you wonder why others are "demonizing" you. You aren't being demonized, you're just a bunch of whiny arrogant assholes that hate your own country and are getting what you fucking deserve. Keep wallowing in self pity you losers. The best argument against transgender rights are your own posts
>>42248053well, I'm sorry you're so upset about this, anon.
>>42246741I think the real answer frankly isn’t really anything to do with optics on a meaningful level, but that America has a large organized conservative evangelical movement, as well as a robust conservative media sphere that has no obligation to be factual or even handed in coverage. The fact that trans rights are being debated at all is the culmination of the better part of a decade of continual escalating canvassing, a movement that truly started accelerating shortly after gay marriage was federally decided, and homophobia was rendered no longer in vogue… it was simply the the next largest culture war issue that could be focused on, but this time the focus of ire was a much smaller, less organized group. In a society that is designed around outrage, elitism, and being holier then thou, these nucleation points of culture war are required to distract people from other social ills, to cover for poor policy, or increasing surveillance, increasing inequality, worsening quality of life, trannies are simply the moments sin eaterIn short Americans are retarded yes, but they are engineers specifically to be this way, it’s the engine of our society, retardation
>>42248664I'm sick and tired of the left trying to reshape the country in its own image. Unfortunately lgbt has largely married the left and as such a huge part of the problem.In the 90s gay movements actually where about compassion and understanding. Now they're just about looking down on the "normies" from a rainbow ivory tower. Hate this shit. I'd prefer to return to something like the America I grew up in which the gop currently represents imperfectly, but still a hell of a lot better than the democrats.Also tired of hearing spoiled westerners endless shit on a country that raised and nurtured it. You think most generations of humans got to live the life of ease and luxory we do? Even our homeless are fat
>>4224679937% of Americans considered trans women to be women as of 2021 at least
>>42247242No, boomer sissies have been around forever and nobody hated them much in the past.What was newer was the aggressive push to make people do shit like ask for pronouns or recognize tranny slang like 'deadnaming' in workplaces or schools. That and people talking about the concept of transsexual children more when everyone should've left that third rail topic alone. Nothing gets the general public riled up and angry more than talk about children.
>>42249769>lower than Hungary and Bulgaria in 2021 before the mass tranny derangement syndrome took this nation by stormThis country is such a shithole. It would literally be an upgrade to live in a literal third world nation in terms of public opinionHoly shit.
>>42249810Yeah, but you can just live in a blue state and then it'll basically be like Europe.
>>42246844Hilarious. Nordic transwomen in particular tend to be absolutely hideous.
>>42249935Nordic trans women are like 6'8 mountain trolls so they demand respect with their imposing physicality.
>>42249693>Even our homeless are fat>the food is poisoned with corn syrup so mega corps can make profits, the homeless are a marvel of how much progress we have made!You're insane. Goodbye.
>>42249800>What was newerWhat role did the billionaires and Christian right play in the public perception of trans people
>>42246741Jews
>>42246741Very specific parts of the USA are futuristic first world tranny havens of shitlibism. the remaining 96.7% of the entire country is brazil at best.
>>42250122and those specific havens are ever-shrinking and soon to be ravaged in the coming Second American Civil War that will balkanize the country into many foreign spheres of influence.
>>42250103I think Elon Musk for sure had a hate boner for transsexuals and poured a lot of gasoline on the fire.And the Christian right I think didn't care about transsexuals at first but realized the aforementioned stuff in my last post like pronouns talk, transsexual slang going mainstream, talk about transsexual children, etc. were annoying a lot of people and saw that as an opportunity where they could spend lots of time and energy attacking transsexuals and it would win over moderates.I don't think AGP was ever the problem, and it's weird how much lgbt people seem to think it is what regular people got mad at. If all transsexuals did was be porn or jerk off in private while wearing their wives' clothes they wouldn't really register on anyone's radar as a culture war topic. It was the 2010s push for all those made up rules and etiquette about transsexuals, gender identity, pronouns, etc. that turned people who take opposite sex hormones into a culture war target.
>>42250186So let me get this straight. At the same time the worlds elite decide to redistribute the general publics resources and finances into its own coffers, they looked around and said "well this fringe group are annoying, we should dedicate all media and legislate attention on them"They did it purely because trans people were annoying. Just pure coincidence they found a minority population to hate, using the same language that used against gay people, lesbians, sufferers of HIV. By the same organisations. All because trans people spoke up, wow i learnt something new!
Black fatigue? "Trans" fatigue now...
>>42250248Yeah. It wasn't a coincidence, but also trans culture of the 2010s did get very annoying. Both are true things.It wasn't the fault of AGP. It was the fault of annoying trans culture, like talking about deadnaming and pronouns and trans kids and making high visibility internet spaces titled stuff like 'actual lesbians' where 95% of the participants are mtfs and pissing off the writer of a beloved childhood fantasy series to the point where she formed a lifelong blood feud against trans people instead of just conceding regular women existed and weren't the same as mtfs.The guys sexually aroused by the idea of being female didn't turn the culture war against trans people. Boomer sissies stayed in their own lane for the most part and just enjoyed their hobbies in small niche forums or bdsm clubs.
>>42250296Wow, so trans people are annoying so instead of politicians helping the common person, they were forced to steal all the public money.24 hour coverage on trans people because the 2010s annoyed a few people. Dont you find it weird how these same politicians say they are protecting women by hating trans people, (ftms exist too btw), but then pass laws that harm cis women to the point where they die?Do you think thats a good thing, to say you're protecting a group, but actually harming them?
>>42250296>>42250357I think the problem can be summed up quite simply. women do not wear girdles anymore. There was a time when every woman dressed by wearing panties, a bra, then a girdle and stockings. Over this she's wear a slip. Need to get back to girdles!!!
>>42250357I don't think it's weird. I think it's politicians being predictably opportunistic and immoral and going after an easy target because they know it polls well to do so.But there's a reason why trans people were an easy target and why it polled well for politicians to pretend to hate them, and that reason was not AGP.
>>42246741if finland is so accepting, how come it's so much easier to get estrogen prescribed in america?
>>42250457Its like attacking people with diabetes. Trans people are just as varied, all across the political spectrum and economic ladder.An already misunderstood and marginalised group, targeted using nazi eugenic propaganda. In the 1980s and 90s trans people were portrayed as dishonest liars and serial killers. Its only recently that the coordinated attack by billionaires took off.Yes, you're life is shit, no you will never have the chance to improve, but at least you can scream how much you want to kill people on meta whilst Zuckerberg cruises the world on mega yachts, you must be happy with that arrangement.
>>42250513Because they seem to be transmedicalists so they only have trans peopleVersus the American horde of autogoonerphiles addicted to estrogen shots
>>42250530>transmedicalism is when we don't do trans medicinehmmor maybe binary yes/no surveys aren't actually a good measure for some things
>>42250545That anon struggled really hard to use both their brain cells for that post
>>42250513>>42250545i mean it makes sense. its not that they don't do trans medicine its just that its gatekept much more. so anyone that manages to jump through the hoops must be genuine, unlike in a country where any adult can just get hrt for any reason if they ask
>>42250514I'm not a fan of how this played out, but my basic thesis is still that AGP wasn't the problem and the real thing that started getting lots of the general public pissed off at trans people was the newly invented obnoxious trans culture that mostly existed on the internet.Off the top of my head, I think the pronouns thing, the 'trans kids' concept, made up nu-slang like 'deadnaming', doubling down on debates with jk rowling, aggressively insisting on the 'trans women are women' assertion*, and lolcows like caitlyn jenner and dylan mulvaney collectively explain how trans people became an easy obvious target for right wing politicians to use to their advantage.*ironically in the past much of the general public did just accept transsexuals were becoming women via srs, but by turning it into a culture war argument that invited contrarian and skeptical counterarguments nobody really bothered to make in earlier decades besides germaine greer (writing this as a footnote since it's a bit of a tangent)
>>42250545>transmedicalism is when we offer estrogen like after dinner mintslolnoautogooners get no gyno mints
>>42250581Do you prefer the boot on your neck or your face?
>>42250186The original concert behind being transsexual was you validated yourself by people believing you were genetic woman. If you didn't pass, it would be no sense in transitioning. People who would transition would know they pass in advance
Pretty much all anti-trans hate is the result of the seething vengeance of bald men, and the women who pop out future bald men.
>>42250581>>42250584that doesn't work though, because gatekeeping doesn't keep out the least dysphoric, it just keeps out the least derangedcrossdressing humiliation rituals are how you let boomer sissies transition, and block insecure boymoders who would otherwise just transition quietly and assimilate. And there's no benefit in the outcome anyway, the trannies that they allow to transition all end up being bald ogres because of how long they're forced to wait. If gatekeeping is so good, how come the countries with the least gatekeeping (thailand, south america, north america) have the best looking trannies? And if nordic gatekeeping models are so transmedicalist, how come they're so bad for actual transsexuals while being highly accepting and positive towards cissex people with pronouns who identify as trans?
>>42250614Matt Walsh has plenty of hair though.
>>42250615Cuz in that culture they're basically homosexual males who transitioned
>>42250623He's prob only finna and slams the counter every day he realizes he's shackled to an anti-androgen, and that his mother cursed him.
>>42250632so why are all the uberfemme hsts in countries with the least amounts of medical gatekeeping, while the countries with the most medical gatekeeping have middle aged bald agps?I thought the point of gatekeeping in america before the 2000s was to only let the most feminine most dysphoric ones transition. Why do european doctors only let the least feminine, least dysphoric ones do it?
>>42250647People in the west transition for their own pleasures, individualistic values. People in communal countries do it more for pleasing others and being sexually attractive and compatible
>>42250623she’s on dutasteride
>>42250585neck if i had to choose desu>>42250615im not saying its good for trans people, im just saying that the normies of society would view it that way. even if in actuality the outcomes are worse, the ignorant masses would see it as more legitimate.
>>42250647norwegian youngshit
>>42246741We have more experience dealing with trans peopleFor most other countries its just a thing you read about on the newsIn america, 50% of all school children are trans according to their teachers
>>42252549oh they clocked her downnn. look at the way she’s thinking she’s freshly caught tuna tartare, whole time her tuck slipped and trade playing in her face so nasty
>>42252549she's a little clocky because she's 5'11"
>>42249935
>>42249693Starving while fat is a thing, where someone gets enough calories but not enough nutrients so their bodies get really fucked up.
>>42252995not rly clocky especially not with how many tall gen z cis girls her country has
>>42250614doesn’t explain jk rowling
https://today.yougov.com/topics/politics/trackers/is-a-transgender-woman-a-woman>The most up-to-date U.S. poll question I can find that literally asks this is YouGov’s biannual tracker:>“For the following question, a transgender woman is someone who was male at birth, but now identifies as a woman. To what extent, if at all, do you agree with the statement, ‘A transgender woman is a woman’?>All adults: Agree 38%, Disagree 50%---------https://yougov.co.uk/society/articles/43194-where-does-british-public-stand-transgender-rights-1>The most direct UK datapoint with that exact statement comes from YouGov (UK) in July 2022, reported in their write-up:>Agree: 38%>Disagree: 40%
>>42253580so uk is about the same as america?
>>42246741America is a nation divided between 1st world and complete backwater depending location
>>42253798>so uk is about the same as america?that poll was 2022, I think 60% of UK agree with the Supreme Court ruling that trans women are not legally women, so UK is worse. America doesn't have a Supreme Court ruling making trans women legally men.
>>42250096>transgender is an advertisementyoure the insane one
>>42249693>In the 90s gay movements actually where about compassion and understanding. Now they're just about looking down on the "normies" from a rainbow ivory tower. Hate this shit.They were not just about compassion and understanding. They were about the right to start families, to kiss your partner in public even if everyone found it lewd, to receive expensive medical treatment to treat and stop spread of a deadly STI, and for trans people (more in the early 00s, when I came out), to have more representation, healthcare access, bathroom access, protection from violence, job and housing discrimination.>I'd prefer to return to something like the America I grew up in which the gop currently represents imperfectly, but still a hell of a lot better than the democrats.they do look a lot better if you're not black lol>Also tired of hearing spoiled westerners endless shit on a country that raised and nurtured it. You think most generations of humans got to live the life of ease and luxory we do? Complaining about your democracy is healthy. It's a good thing to want your country to improve. And to do so, you have to see the problems first, and care about all kinds of people. Not remain complacent.in this case, too, I don't know what you want people to do. Lie? >Even our homeless are fatyeah damn, turns out you can blow up living on cheap bodega food. get diabetes with no primary care doctor and keep losing toes in the cold.
>>42246741Because it ain't gonna be a wealthy first world country for long.
>>42254864none will. capitalism always leads to poverty
>>42249935wdym nords are like the prettiest people on earthEmma
>>42254889So does commienism, albania had both and we are still poor lololol.
>>42254919nta but their men are notoriously hot but i don't think their features are ideal for transitioning. tall and big boned amabs become hons if they transition. emma is an exception.
>>42254977like half the nordic women i see are complete cishons anyway
>>42246741bc ur avg american is a brainlet who is very easily manipulated by social media, and our current overlords tell them to hate trannies
>>42246741>do you accept *retarded premise*?
like this poster>>42254985 said nordics have lots of cishons. even pretty nordic women are often cishons
>>42255052that’s not the best example of a cishon except her height
>>42255023>bc ur avg american is a brainlet who is very easily manipulated by social mediaso is the average europeon
>>42257454Not nearly as bad as america. America has so many people of color, it's almost the third world country. White people in America today talk like black people.
>>42255052If you aren't being sarcastic you're delusional to think she's a cishon bruh
>>42257524>brick jaw>6'1" not clocky at all sweetie
>>42257500brazil is almost all people of color and is much less transphobic than america
>>42254919That's only because of subliminal preexisting whiteness notions of white supremacy in the west. Kinda telling on yourself here…
>>42253580i expected worse
>>42258952Oh my stars, this is so untrue!I come from San Paulo Brazil to Los Angeles California to find better life. Transgender girls in Brazil are sometimes cut and left for dead and when the police find the body, they check for a dick, if they find it, they throw you in a hole. Don't even tell anyone because nobody wants to be a relative to a tranny
>>42254466>bathroom accessNTA but I gotta be completely honest, as someone outside of the troon sphere I really never understood the significance of this. It's something that feels so trivial and silly, that whenever I hear it, it feels like it just lowers the stakes of whatever argument is being made. Healthcare access sure, protection from violence yeah, but bathroom? Does where you take a piss really matter that much that it's up there with being allowed to take hormones and have surgery or whatever and not be assaulted?It just feels a bit goofy. If you pass, I don't think people give a shit. Making a big stink about it just draws attention to it, and the more attention to it there is, the more people listen to it, and, I think like me, feel like it just sounds silly and lowers the overall stakes.Maybe just because I'm a guy I don't really understand why the fuck bathrooms are all that important. You go there to take a shit, who cares? Girls go into guys bathrooms all the time, I don't think dudes really care
>>42261141>women dont want scary violent men in our bathroom (stupid troons)>but those ugly troons can go die in the mens bathroom for all we careafab privilege, stop sucking their nonexistent dicks
>>42261312I'd say no more gendered bathrooms for anyone, but female bathrooms are fucking disgusting and I wouldn't want any of that stank inside my clean, musty men's bathroom. Biggest psyop ever done upon mankind was tricking people into thinking girls are clean. Your not. Your bathrooms are the most appalling thing I've ever seen in my entire life>T. IRL janitor
>>42261141As someone inside of the troon sphere I mostly agree with you. There are some real issues though, especially for people trying to pass and fly under the radar instead of being openly trans. For example if a coworker that hated you for whatever reason found out you were a tranny and using the "wrong" toliet they could use that to blackmail or otherwise screw you over.Having the potty police legally regulate bathroom access is stupid and it would have been way better for everyone if who uses what bathroom just stayed as an unspoken rule.
>>42261141I don't think bathrooms are the most important thing on that list. They are, however, part of existing in the public sphere. If you can't safely use a bathroom, your time outside your home is limited, and your comfort as well. You have to scurry home or risk harm in a very physically vulnerable, embarrassing state. And unless you're certain you pass or certain of being tolerated by your community, it turns what should be a normal experience into walking under a sword of Damocles. you're rolling the dice on someone flipping out on you. Getting assaulted, finding cops waiting outside, some insane person posting a video of you online.When I was younger, I was harassed, battered, and threatened for using either gender of restrooms. Cis people who care enough about what bathroom you're in are not mentally well. It was frightening and very aversive. The purpose of making it illegal or taboo for us to use the appropriate bathroom is to create that sense of dread and uncertainty. It encourages violent intervention from others.(Also, while this was always at the tail end of my concerns, it is also petty and insulting. I know what I am and where I have a right to be.)this may be a silly analogy to make on 4chan, but think of it like Jim Crow. Is using a water fountain or which bus seat you take the most important thing in the world? No. but the point of those rules was to 1) demean and signal to everyone that you are different and inferior and 2) create opportunities for public humiliation and violent enforcement by the worst fucking people.
>>42248053Why does Janeway have 0.0001 contempt
>>42249810But third world trannies are usually very pretty sissies who work very hard to stay pretty. If you don't have that same work ethic you're gonna be killed.
>>42246741Russian bots target americans more than europeans, and american billionaires exert more influence on american media than european billionaires does on european media
>>42249810as a hungarian tranny, it's true. no one knows we exist irl
>>42246741money. the answer is always money. we spent like .09% of the total GDP of the richest country in the world just manufacturing anti tranny propoganda, and other countries did it as a way to foment divisivness in our country as well. Its all money.
>>42263621>Russian bots target americans more than europeansno? most of russia’s psyops are directed towards germany, france, britain and other places in western and northern europe
>>42246741Foreign spies came to us saying are trans and will be hatecrined need asylum then did commie bullshit all over so now they are deeming u all commie terrorist who hate america the worst useful idiot demographic for enemies
>>42246741the christian right and other forms of faith, including rightoidismstop tolerating faith
>>42247879do you think the percentages would be higher or lower?
>>42250582yeah its a predictable backlash to the increased visibility and rights that trannies got in the 2010s. This pendulum swinging back thing happens anytime a minority starts gaining societal acceptance - look at how harshly gender roles were enforced in the 1950s specifically bc of the advances made by women during ww2, or how conservative gender roles reasserted themselves in the 1930s as a backlash to women gaining the right to vote
>>42252549why did they draw her eyebrows on so close together. its almost a unibrow
>>42266618they look fine
