Actually the catholic church discovered that around the 11th century but these days it is considered immoral so we have to settle for "ftfemboys" aka cis women with short hair and binders. If their tits get too big for the binders we can bully them into getting 'em lopped off.

>>42248317
This is one of the pressing issues of our time
(please help)

>>42248317
I figured it out
>take estrogen
>dont identify as a woman

We have decent options it just takes more work and money than the avg femboy can bother with.

>>42248389
I don't wanna destroy my dick though. I like it. Feel like this is probably the main reason we don't do this.

>>42248637
transbians figured that one out
you just put testosterone gel on your cock

>>42248650
Where do I buy that. And is that reliable? Any guides on this?

>>42248637

Just take an ED med lol also it doesn't destroy your dick usually if you are using it and aren't a super grower.

>>42248317
>discovered how femboys can preserve their femininity without turning into trannies
not possible, maybe science will solve this very important problem some day
>>42248637
>destroy my dick
it wont if you just use it everyday, the real problem is that youll grow tits (gotta get those sawn off)
t. been on e for years and dick works flawlessly

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>>42248317
>i want to look, sound, act, dress, and be seen as a woman
>but i am NOT a woman
every "femboy" is a repper. every single one. and all those "traps" and "femboys" you jerked off to growing up were all already on E

>>42248717
>every "femboy" is a repper. every single one
some are but some femboys actually like being (and being seen as) men socially, theres probably similar neurological underpinnings but with a different psychological profile from most trannies

>>42248739
not men, boys. being seen as a man is very distressing for them. but they do otherwise act socially like boys, being treated like a girl is weird and definitely having the body features of a girl is very weird

>>42248717
False and this kind of rhetoric severely turns people away. It sounds invasive, presumptuous, grooming, and fetishistic. There are males that want to be fem but not become "women" they want to stay males.

>>42248752
>not men, boys. being seen as a man
i think this depends on the femboy in question still but its a meaningful observation, i still stand by the similar neurology with different psychology stance though
sort of a hot take for a lot of trannies but this is similar to the extraordinarily high amount of trannies that identify with shota (being a boy specifically as you pointed out) on some level and probably has something to do with being ok with their bodies prior to puberty

>>42248808
ive seen many agp trannies say something similar, but they ultimately choose the woman path. contrapoints in one video said "being a boy was ok but being a man was not"

ive often seen people be dismissive of this and say its peter pan syndrome and femboys need to grow up. but i dont think its really an age thing, its just that aging makes you masculine and that is real dysphoria for them. but they also dont feel like women either. and there really isnt a hormonal solution.

>>42248846
im gonna add that as someone who really only developed dysphoria at the onset of body hair (genital and and armpit really messed with me a bit) is that the primary sex characteristics are OK, i guess, but the secondary ones are not.

i really dont think im supposed to be cis, if that makes sense

>>42248893
this also happened to me, dysphoria started at 11 with the onset of puberty, started shaving my legs and arms, was never bothered by the primary characteristics of being male, just the masculinisation of my body. thought i was gay but something just didnt feel right, discovered trans people and thought i could be that but that didnt feel right either.

>>42248893
I agree with this pretty much.
I feel I would always choose a penis over a vagina and I don't want breasts. I just don't want hair and stuff. I guess I'd rather look androgynous but slightly male more than anything

>>42248846
>>42248893
hard agree on all of this with the exception of pointing towards it as an agp thing, theres no shortage of hussy types that were reasonably making do with being boys until twink death hit
and yeah its dysphoria paired with a lack of a desire to really be a "woman" in the conventional sense
i think this is part of why the whole femboy thing is so pedophile adjacent frankly

i feel the same and identified with femboy shit on some deep level for ages, it really is the secondary characteristics that are the issue, i genuinely do not slot into either the category of man or woman cleanly and just feel like some weird third sex freak that legitimately just wishes he could be a babyfaced androgynous faggot thing forever and its honestly kind of hell because theres nothing to be done about it and as you pointed out everyone dismisses it as peter pan syndrome when imo it really is some form of genuinely even more poorly understood dysphoria than whatever it is we call "gender dysphoria"

>>42248317
>havent discovered how femboys can preserve their femininity without turning into trannies
Take lower dosage of e. And start earlier.
That's it. That simple. Getting the correct dosage is tricky because all the info is for trannies, but with the help of a gymbro (and blood tests) found the right combo quite fast.

>>42248637
Dick works just fine. Just used it 4 hours ago, lol.

>hrtfemboy started at 16, now 29

>>42248939
I don't see it as really pedophilia but more like, just androgyny and not wanting to be manly or womanly. It's just that the easiest way to do that is to not undergo massive developments in either direction, which is well what children are like.

>>42248939
i wasnt suggesting it was an agp thing, just that ive seen agps say something similar, the difference being is that for them boyhood was a kind of proto-womanhood and they are comfortable presenting as women. whereas some people are not but are still very dysphoric.

i have seen some femboys who do just transition anyway and cope. but it kind of just goes unsaid that these people are doing it because they want to stay boyish to the extent that that is possible. i guess its kind of taboo to talk about still and it will be interesting to see how things go for those people.

>>42248949
>just start earlier

FUCK

>>42248981
>which is well what children are like.
hence adjacent, the femboy "community" is absolutely crawling with pedophiles, but im not trying to suggesting that its inherently pedophilic and im not making a moral judgement about whether or not thats a bad thing
im just noting there is a relationship and its debatable to what extent theres a serious element of ETII present in some of the expressions of dysphoria across a lot of trannies/femboys
>>42249002
>it will be interesting to see how things go for those people.
yeah im extremely curious to see wtf is gonna happen to all these currently teenager/early 20s femboys when they start seriously inevitably becoming *men* without hrt/how many will seek it out
makes me think of the insane cope of "yeah you can just be a 35yo femboy with no hrt" ive seen come up time and time again in femboy spaces

>>42249021
tbhon, it probably wouldn't have made much of a difference if I had started at 21. But I probably would've had to shave more. And laser would've hurt more.
My bf started at 22 (he's 30 now). He's just as smooth as me.

Remember: we're not trannies. So the limits are quite different.

>>42249033
>the femboy "community" is absolutely crawling with pedophiles
I don't dabble in the community at all. I'm more than happy with my bf.
But I find this hard to believe tho. Why would a pedo chase a 20 yo? Legit pedos get nothing out of adult men. Sure, they may like our twinkish faces, but the second we get a boner and/or open our mouths, a legit pedo is simply turned off.

>inb4 how do you know this?
Well, I fell for the meme that there's pedos everywhere. So I looked it up. And that's how I ended up finding this - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4082466/
A disturbing Czech documentary that explains how pedos function internally... by the pedos themselves.

>insane cope of "yeah you can just be a 35yo femboy with no hrt
That is insane cope. I would've never been a femboy by this age without microdosing E

t. >>42248949

>>42249071
>microdosing e

how does that even work, your testosterone is suppressed right?

>>42249071
>But I find this hard to believe tho
i cant really prove this to you without you having firsthand experience or at least observing this communities, but i promise you theres a ton of pedophile stuff in femboy spaces across the internet, its arguable to what extent this an affect of being a very online phenomena thats primarily centered around discord/reddit/gaming/other sectors of the internet but its there
>Well, I fell for the meme that there's pedos everywhere
there really are, i promise you, i think youre just operating a very limited perception of what qualifies as pedophilic exactly
theres metric shit piles of people out there who are very attracted to underage teenagers/prepubescent kids and very visible neoteny in addition to more "conventional" attraction
the thinking that pedophiles are explicitly only attracted to little kids just isnt accurate

I'm realizing hrt femboys got far far less support than trans in the past 10 years and it's making me sad

>>42249135
its a niche inside a niche, trannies are like already untermensch to society at large and theyve had decades of history at this point
femboys have only really even been recognized as a thing within the past decade or so, and yeah it is sad
trannies perceive the hrt femboy thing in a similar manner to the way cis people perceive trannies lmao

>>42249131
>across the internet
Ah, fair enough. Well, the internet is full of weirdos. And not all of them are fun like me, lul
I was thinking nearly-exclusively to IRL spaces, meet-ups, events, etc.
I'm 29 and not terminally online.

>the thinking that pedophiles are explicitly only attracted to little kids just isnt accurate
It mostly is, though.
Just look up that documentary. Scary stuff, but I'd rather believe actual pedos about how they function than third party fearmongering.
Pedos do belong in the woodchipper, but the criterion should be a clear one, not constantly "evolving" based on the feelings of sex-negative people (mainly the unholy conservative-terf-radfem alliance who might as well be the junior antisex league at this point).
In my country age of consent has been 15 for over 150 years. Meanwhile you americans are have gotten to the point where your mainstream views as "pedophilic" basically any age gap bigger than 3 or something.

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>>42248317
picrel
>>42248637
gooner moid
>>42248717
Trvke
>>42248939
>i genuinely do not slot into either the category of man or woman cleanly
because they are fundamentally quite sily categories that make economic sense in an agrarian society and otherwise are mish mashes of random bulsiht; you can argue theyre scientific categories or biological ones but nbdy gives as hit about biological or sicentific realitie and thats why most normalfags are satisfied to hear that light is both a wave and a particle without caring about it much cuz phyiscal reality is relatively unimportant to rxtards and if it was they would reveal that preference by studying the natural world (which they dont), the only reality that matters to them is hedonistic big mac reality of the economics it takes for them to sutff their fat face and coom :3

femboys are trannies, unless you only want to present fem in certain situations in which case you're just a crossdresser

>>42249131
but isnt it obvious that stuff just comes out of femboys being trapped, they cant be trans and they cant be men, so they are left looking at themselves as objects and seeing what their worth is and its that they have to stay looking like teenage boys forever or they lose everything. no wonder their community is fucked up

>>42249183
You sound like a pseud who reads Foucault or some gay shit. If you've even been to a doctor's office or measured your height and weight you care about biology. Cope harder nihilist postmodern pseud.
>>42249188
Femboys are not trannies, the more you say this the more you hurt them. They are a distinct category. Also
>unless you only want to present fem in certain situations in which case you're just a crossdresser
How does this not apply to "real trannies" who repress?
>>42249192
All femboys are fucked in the head invariably yes

>>42249188
>unless you only want to present fem in certain situations in which case you're just a crossdresser
fine, then I'm a crossdresser.
Except in order to be the crossdresser I want to be, some things have to be 24/7 - like my femboy look and smooth skin.
Idgaf that much either way on the sub-labels. Call me a tranny, call me a crossdresser, who cares? I just like to present fem most of the time (or really always). But I'm a dude. I lift, I run, I play soccer, am a fag and am perfectly fine being a dude.

Actually Im gonna post again you got me mad
>>42249188
Fuck you actually. Trannies are the worst of the LGBT because of shit like this. The far right wingers are right you are groomers fuck you. There's a reason everybody shits on you the most above all the other groups.
>>42249213
I just wanna be androgynous and not look either male or female but I'd rather have a dick because it's easy to work with and you get to be relatively care-free with a dick unlike a vagina. I just wanna be a simple care-free androgynous kind of being but slightly on the male side. I don't really wanna lose either masc or fem side of myself I like both of them. I don't really hear this talked about too much and it makes me go a little insane.

>>42249180
>It mostly is, though.
if you operate on the idea that being attracted to teenage kids isnt pedophilic then sure, not a moral judgement again, just saying i believe adult attraction to teenagers is exceedingly common and i do believe a lot of people are as well attracted to properly underage people a la shota/loli
>>42249183
>because they are fundamentally quite sily categories
i dont think its particularly silly to note that human sex is largely divvied into two categories and that its shaped the whole of human society/perception/psychology
whether you believe in that distinction is a matter of your own purviews but i do believe that theres real neurological/psychological underpinnings to sex we dont have a good grasp on
>>42249192
i think any sort of dysphoria is significantly distressing and genuinely kind of fucks you up for a myriad of reasons, i think to be anything femboy/trans in this world and with our limited understandings and technological mastery is just a kind of inescapable hell that is constantly inflicting psychic damage lmao

>>42249192
>they cant be trans and they cant be men
But I am a man. A very feminine one, but a man nonethelss. See >>42249213
Wdym i can't be a man? I already am one.

>they have to stay looking like teenage boys forever
sorry, can't relate to that. Of course eventually I'll age out. We all do. Women, men, trannies, fags, doesn't matter.

>or they lose everything
Uuuh... I'm pretty sure I'll still be with my bf (also a femboy).
It's a looks preference. We're enjoying it as long as it lasts. But we do have personalities too, you know? And slowly building a life together.
Yes, we'll both lose our specific looks at some point. Maybe in 5 years. Maybe in 10. But so what? There's more to life than just looks and sex.

I suppose fundamentally the difference is terminally online vs real people with real lives.
You likely do have a point with the terminally online "communities". But I'm just more old school, ig? Got introduced to it by my older brother (3yrs older) not by some goon shit. Practiced it safely with people I/we knew IRL for years. Yk, the normal things. Or what's normal in my corner of the world anyway.

>>42249117
microdosing e lol

>>42249210
>How does this not apply to "real trannies" who repress?
because repressing trannies actually want to be women but are just repressing. a crossdresser is someone who likes to present fem sometimes but doesn't have the need to actually be a women full time, which is what a tranny is
>>42249213
>But I'm a dude. I lift, I run, I play soccer, am a fag
women can be all those things so im not sure what you're talking about. and by your own admission you want to present fem all the time, which is not possible if you keep aging as a man. are you really going to be happy with yourself when you're balding?
>>42249244
>I don't really wanna lose either masc or fem side of myself I like both of them
sounds like you're non-binary then. i think this site has a pretty shitty perception of enbies overall and im not too knowledge myself but i think it's something worth looking into based on what you're saying. see what other people who feel that way do

>>42249262
>if you operate on the idea that being attracted to teenage kids isnt pedophilic then sure
Of course I do. So does every single system of law almost anywhere on Earth, actually (except gigaislamist shitholes, ig).
A 16yo isn't a kid, sorry. This muddying of the waters of regarding 6yo and 16yo as basically the same has diluted the sense of very specific concepts and has allowed more abuse, not less.
A 16yo "kid" in Europe can:
- get married
- drink beer (except Norway lul)
- buy beer in most of the EU
- is liable for taxes
- work any job no matter how hard

The belief that a 20yo, or even a 30yo boning a 16yo is "pedophilic" is bonkers and dilutes the real tragedies of real children being victims of csa.
There are other words you can use to express your disgust/disapproval: weird, messed-up, haram (very common in Europe, heh), but not "pedophilic".

>>42249135
How can I support hrt femboys?

>>42249295
>by your own admission you want to present fem all the time
Can you read? I specifically wrote that I LIKE, not that I want. Words mean shit.
Just because I like something, that doesn't mean I can get all the time and in perpetuity. I like chocolate too.

>which is not possible if you keep aging as a man
I know. And that's fine. Aging is part of life.

>are you really going to be happy with yourself when you're balding?
Given that my father is 63 and still has a long hair, I'm actually pretty sure I won't be balding anytime soon.
Genetics help. I take care of my body. I can't beat aging, obviously (nobody can, for now). But that's not a femboy issue. It's a human issue.
I doubt most straight guys are happy with their bodies as they age. Not to mention most women too.
It is what it is. Life is a deadly sexually transmitted disease.

>>42248710
This. Probably should've been on e years ago but I couldn't risk tits... ever. Maybe a little bit of growth like perky tits I don't mind but even then. Troons don't give a gaf and anybody else seeking androgyny with e just says "its a take and a give." Don't know what to do.

>>42249275
it sounds to me like you are happy with your appearance, i am talking about people who are not happy, to which aging and having never been the thing you always wanted to be is very painful. its different when you've got to be happy with yourself and had a boyfriend and so on.

>>42249306
>A 16yo isn't a kid, sorry.
this is ultimately a philosophical argument on what constitutes a child in your mind and exactly how you qualify pedophilia, i dont have a particularly strong opinion on whether or not a 16yo qualifies as an adult or not, but i disagree with the idea that law firmly establishes this in an objective manner, its ultimately perception
that said i find it funny you think im disgusted by the idea of anyone being attracted to 16yos other than a very similar age, i promise you when i use the term pedophilia im not making a moral judgement
ive seen plenty of 16yos im exceedingly attracted to, and yet it doesnt change the fact that a lot of people would qualify that as pedophilia given im not a teenager anymore, and would cast incredible ire my way were they aware of that aspect of my sexuality

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>>42249341
>I couldn't risk tits... ever
how's that irreversible masculinization going for ya anon

>>42249332
>Just because I like something, that doesn't mean I can get all the time and in perpetuity
except you CAN look like a woman all the time and in perpetuity, if you genuinely like that more than looking like a man. there's no real drawbacks to it like your suggesting. it's just something you can start doing right now
>I doubt most straight guys are happy with their bodies as they age
most straight guys actively enjoy being a man and having a male masculine body so they're going to be experiencing a lot less distress over aging than you would if i had to guess

>>42249341
>Don't know what to do.
i cant speak to what it is you need to do for your own well being but it is possible to simply use binders for 2-3 years and get top surgery
youre unlikely to develop a lot of breast tissue if you dont gain weight on e, but theres no guarantees with any of this
>>42249384
>except you CAN look like a woman
nta but thats sort of misleading lol

>>42249117
>>42249341
You can take the /hrtgen/ dosage recommendations and start with 5% of that.
The key is to suppress T (specifically DHT) just enough to trigger the desired effect but without side effects. Also, stay away from antiandrogens if you can. I took some AAs at 20 on and off to fix a lingering imbalance. But the side effects were really weird.
Then increase the dosage gradually depending on the results of the blood tests (a gymbro taught me that and boy he was right). I would've either accidentally trooned or gotten no results if not for his guidance.
It also varies by age.
Still, I try to keep my T levels around 450-500 ng/dL (which is low end by male standards) and estradiol levels to 60-70 pg/mL (which is slightly above high by male standards).
Keep in mind that estradiol is produced from testosterone, so the e intake may have to be increased to reach these levels without trooning out.

This balance works great for me, but it would be harmful for my boyfriend. His balance is slightly higher than mine.
Being an hrtfemboy correctly is not exactly easy.
Also, sleeping well makes a huge difference. I didn't believe that in my teens and that's how I had to take AAs to prevent things spiraling out of control.

Still, it has gotten easier. DiY monotherapy has changed the game for us. No more liver risks from the pills. Yay! But also harder balance to maintain because the vials and the recommended dosages are by default for trannies.
Still, a bit of math and careful monitoring and you're good.

>>42249452
i find it hard to believe that you are doing anything meaningful if you still have unsupressed T. i dont think E will even do anything without T being low.

anyway i take bicalutamide which raises my E slightly and blocks T and its been going ok.

>>42249452
NTA but, I started finesteride in the fall. Is that bad or good?
Do you have any guides or advice for blood testing? Like do I need to go to the doctors for this or something?
>>42249497
Wanted to look into that one

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>>42249381
Pretty fucking terrible honestly but I don't know. I really really don't want boobs. I think if I woke up one day with them I'd have what's called "reverse dysphoria." To show how deathly serious this is in my life I'll give you an anecdote. I have multiple cis woman friends, all of them have been supportive of me transitioning. I've also explained how I would get on e and all of them agreed that I'd look extremely weird with them. One laughed. I don't want to accept my fate but I don't know the other options.

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>>42249452
lmao slightly raised estradiol levels of 70pg and normal cis man T levels

anon thats not doing shit. ur on a placebo.

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>>42249516
Jesus fuck that's bleak

>>42249449
estrogen is going to make you look more like a woman and for longer than a cis man can, that's kind of irrefutable

>>42249353
>i am talking about people who are not happy, to which aging and having never been the thing you always wanted to be is very painful
Fair enough.
Though I will argue that that is not a specifically femboy issue, but a wider Zoomer issue.
Sure, not all (I know some awesome zoomers), but there does seem to be the case that zoomers have an unhealthy view of aging - https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/23/style/gen-z-aging.html
Maybe they'll grow out of it (I hope so, anyway), but my point is that you're looking at a specific manifestation of an otherwise generational problem.

>>42249384
>if i had to guess
And you'd be guessing wrong. But that's okay. I get it, your image of hrtfemboys is a purely terminally online one formed by discord and other brainworms.
There's no way I can convince you that you're wrong. In your mind not only I don't exist, but can't exist.

>except you CAN look like a woman all the time and in perpetuity
Really? Can I look like a 19yo semi-passoid tranny at 70? Get real.
We're all gonna age. We're all gonna lose our cute looks. And that's fine. It's part of life.
I'll look younger than my biological age for a bit longer. Which is nice. But I'll still age. I'm 29 and still look 18. At 39 I'll probably look 25-27 or so. At 50 I'll look 35-40 (assuming I don't fuck up the dosages).
Unlike online brainworms, I actually know what I'm doing.

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>>42248317

Be black.

Black don't crack.

The black femboys will keep their feminine appearances as they age.

Only the non-white ones will have to transition.

>>42249539
i meant more in the sense theres no guarantee you actually *can* look like a woman, "more like"? sure

>>42249497
Can you read? I keep my T at the lower end for male levels. It is suppressed. Just not totally suppressed. Because the goal is to be a femboy, not a tranny.

>i take bicalutamide
I did too (as I said). Too bad my body isn't tolerating it that easily.
Also I don't like the nuking of sex drive effect either.
Do keep in mind that you can't keep up with bica alone for too long and also stay healthy and also stay a femboy. We need both hormones. Suppressing T entirely without adding more E is a recipe for serious health problems down the line. Keeping T entirely suppressed with bica and adding more E is tranny territory. Go for it if you like, it's just not my objective.

>Do you have any guides or advice for blood testing? Like do I need to go to the doctors for this or something?
I just pay ~€100 at one of the many private clinics. They don't give a shit why you're asking for it as long as they pay.
They ask for a doctor to refer to and I just mention my GP (i think that's how it's called in english) and ask for the results for myself.

>>42249519
>normal cis man T levels
400 is lower end. It's the point. I know I should be lowering it further as I age. Next blood test is in February. Will redo the math then.

>anon thats not doing shit. ur on a placebo.
Respectfully, you're wrong. At 16 when I starte T was at 1300 and lowered it to 600 right off the bat. Then kept it around there until 20 when it shot right up to >1000 (that's where the AAs helped). Since then (for the last 9 years) I just slowly lowered it while staying in low cis man T levels for my age group and body build.
Again: the purpose is to be a femboy, not a tranny.

>>42249548
>but there does seem to be the case that zoomers have an unhealthy view of aging
>At 39 I'll probably look 25-27 or so. At 50 I'll look 35-40
anon i think you also have some serious misgivings regarding aging
i think its just normal to find aging to be an ugly thing (it is)

>>42249449
Thanks for the advice anon but there is a HUGE logical fallacy in this advice that people always fail to address.
>need to get on e to feminize but don't want breasts
>avoid gaining weight to not get breasts
>but you don't feminize anywhere else
>so then what's the point of getting on e in the first place?
ok but let's say it's a long term change thing
>slowly feminize over years
>just gain breast growth at the same rate you gain everything else, possibly even faster
>???
There's no guarantee of anything you're just fucked to die in the slow stockholm syndrome of your male body or catapulted into being a woman-male-simulacrum.

>>42248317
>Everyone ignores the ugly and more masculine looking ones
>Everyone focuses on the ones who happen to look like women despite not doing anything
wow, much mystery

>>42249452
>it also varies by age
I'm 22 and went through puberty at like 12, please explain more.

>>42249625
dear that T being lowered was a result of you coming out of puberty.

you know what male bodies do when estrogen is introduced to the system right? they start overproducing T and shbg. this is why trannies are sweaty and gross the first week.

if you don't ever produce enough to suppress ur T the T is just gonna supress it silly. ur endocrine system is not an engine that you can add more oil or gas or air in to run how you want it to. you still have a testosterone dominated endocrine system.

ill happily concede that maybe you could get some very slight skin changes but like its not gonna keep dht from binding to ur scalp follicles so why bother lol.

>>42249639
>anon i think you also have some serious misgivings regarding aging
I'll take things that I've witnessed in person over anglefrauded/filtered pics and anon opinions.
Again: I function IRL. I know guys who are 48-49 who basically look like my brother (who is 32).
It is doable. But none of those guys post online. They also have a stable boring life (some are married with women) and regard this whole thing for what it is: a body modding hack/practice that just makes us feel good about our bodies.
We don't want to be women. We want to be youthful men for longer. Of course we're not gonna look 18 at 50, lol. But you'd be amazed how much this process can be slowed down with the correct care.
And hormonal tinkering is not everything either. Skincare routines, more special hair products, all of those matter too.
It's just autistic selfcare, if I'm perfectly honest. For some (like me) it's also lowkey sexual. But for others it isn't even that.

>>42249640
>but you don't feminize anywhere else
im not sure why you think you need to gain weight to feminize on e, you legitimately dont
if youve read way too many fatmaxxer psysops and become convinced you MUST gain weight you literally do not have to do that, i promise you, breast growth is about the development of breast tissue in particular and will occur with or without weight gain, im suggesting the amount of growth is greatly limited by not putting on weight and realistically itll stop after a couple years regardless
you dont simply keep growing tits forever on e anon, dont you think cis women would all magically have the fucking fattest honkers ever if they just growing forever?
dont take e if you dont want to, but realistically if youre legitimately getting horribly fucked by irreversible masculinization then you should probably just swallow your pride, take e, and wear binders for a couple years until you can get top surgery, after which point do whatever you want anyways, gain weight or dont
you have one life and one body, make it yours and think further out than the next 2 years, what will be worse you? 2 years of binders or a lifetime of being properly masculinized? if the latter isnt that bad then dont take e

>>42249682
>dear that T being lowered was a result of you coming out of puberty
Yeah, that's why on my brother it stayed 1000+ way into his late 20s even after he stopped taking stuff.
And also that's why it shot up for me again at 20.
You legit have no idea how these things work.

>ur endocrine system is not an engine that you can add more oil or gas or air in to run how you want it to
It kinda is, though.
Thank god i didn't listen to people like you (or to doctors who told me I'd get caner by age 25 if i try anything) and went to the most professional bodymodders out there - the gymbros.

>but like its not gonna keep dht from binding to ur scalp follicles
Have you considered we have different objectives and different genetics?
Dad has a long hair at 60+ without any of this shit. My genetics will prevent the balding for a lot longer. So that's not my concern.

>so why bother lol.
Because I like looking 18 at age 29 and having a smoother skin and bright youthful face.
We just have different expectations and objectives.

>>42249689
sure, but i dont think that changes anything i said, i think its okay to admit aging is kind of horrible and depressing, whether or not its fine to allow that to form into weird neuroses or whatever is a different argument
also just a sidenote but i dunno i just dont believe any 50yo man is looking 30 unless you mean a very rough looking 30, i think thats cope tbhon

>>42249743
gay men are so funny sometimes

>>42249743
I wish I had someone like you in my life like 10 years ago, and also that I had never heard this stupid tranny shit from these other anons.

>>42249313
Realize they are not trannies, counter anyone who says that they are. Give them something that works for them, knowing that they are not straight and are not trannies. Somehow I almost never find this on this disgusting board.

>>42249823
Granted, my brother and the gymbros were a godsend. And 13 years ago, when I started, there wasn't even any awareness of any of this.
I like being a man. And unironically this has been "gender affirming care" for me.
Maybe I am fucked in the head, but seeing some of the stuff said about my lifestyle online legit scares me. Some of it has to be b8/psyop tho.

>and also that I had never heard this stupid tranny shit from these other anons
I'm less resentful because through the tranny shit more guys who wanted what I did got to find out. You win some you lose some, ig.
I never wanted to be a woman, but I am happy for the two I know who trooned out. Watching their transition from upclose provided valuable information to me and my bf (and the gymbros) that is now being used. Now we know more about the limits for us.
Today I'm less neurotic about it but 10 yrs ago I was scared of accidentally trooning out lul

>>42249867
>something that works for them
the only things I can give to a femboy are my dick and my affection
the other parts I can definitely do tho

>>42249931
>I like being a man. And unironically this has been "gender affirming care" for me.
>Maybe I am fucked in the head, but seeing some of the stuff said about my lifestyle online legit scares me. Some of it has to be b8/psyop tho.
I feel the exact same way.

>I'm less resentful because through the tranny shit more guys who wanted what I did got to find out
I'm resentful because whenever I looked online for something that would work for me, or even just stuff for bottom gay fem guys in general, mtf trans would come shit it up with stuff for them, taking it from me. And of course this is so niche that nothing could ever be done about that.
Ehh... Just had to get that out there I guess.

However I'm glad to hear about your experiences with various people. Sounds positive.

>>42249452
what a fucking larp

>>42250039
>have slightly elevated e levels
>have perfectly normal t levels
>zero breast growth of feminization of tissues/fat
yeah this shit's a meme fr

>>42250039
>>42250057
im telling you gay men can be so fuckin funny sometimes

The controversial trvke is that 99% of mtfs would rather be a perma young boy than a perma passable woman. Dysphoria is really just Peter Pan syndrome in disguise

>>42250126
what if peter pan syndrome is dysphoria in diguise

>>42249699
>im not sure why you think you need to gain weight to feminize on e, you legitimately dont
I have a pretty bad twink fridge body and I'd need to work on gaining hips, most people say exercise and try gaining weight so that's where it comes from. Not growing tits is something that I strangely never thought but is that really true? I read about people going on syringes and having good results years into hrt.
>take e, and wear binders for a couple years, swallow your pride
I'm trying to but it's more than just that anon. I have family that I live with that makes this entirely about them catching a glance of my naked body. Sorry I'm not trying to be like a spoiled brat upset that he doesn't get everything, but at the same time I have to, because it fundamentally is a wish of everything one could imagine that I have to deal with.

>>42250149
>I read about people going on syringes and having good results years into hrt.
the truth is that trannies just delude themselves a lot, no one is suddenly getting breast growth after having appropriate levels for years because they switched the method of e theyre using, breasts will stop growing on their own after a couple years, they simply do not keep growing, and top surgery removes the tissue that grew anyways
>hiding it from my family
this is definitely more challenging, but the truth is you just have to do it if you really wanna avoid further masculinization
your body isnt going to wait for you to be in a better living situation, hip growth is more dependent on age and genetics and appropriate nutrient intake btw, eating more want make your hips actually grow larger, only deposit more fat on them, which you could do at any point really
the binder method/loose clothing and limited weight gain is probably genuinely the path for you if you are legitimately dysphoric about further development of male features

>>42248579
>>42248637
You have to live for it. You have to live for being feminine above anything else. Nothing else can matter you have to be willing to do anything to attain female status

>>42250184
Thanks anon, this is the largest motivation I've had to do something about my dysphoria in a minute. I'm still scared out of my wits towards getting boobs though.
>your body isnt going to wait for you to be in a better living situation, hip growth is more dependent on age and genetics and appropriate nutrient intake btw, eating more want make your hips actually grow larger, only deposit more fat on them, which you could do at any point really
Could you expand on this?

>>42250278
>Could you expand on this?
actual growth in your pelvis from hrt is more dependent on being young enough to get that and having the genes for it, assuming you have eat a healthy amount and dont have any nutrient deficiencies
hip growth in the form of new fat distribution around your hips/thighs is not something thats as age dependent, if youre determined to minimize breast growth by not putting on any additional weight until youre in a better living situation it would ultimately be fine in the sense that you could simply wait until then to gain weight and would pad your hips and thighs all the same
if youre serious about diy hrt you should head over hrtgen and read the infographic, or alternatively https://pghrt.diy/ if you dont mind reading a guide from someone named tightpussy (its actually a really fucking good guide, take the time to read it)
if you have any questions feel free to ask, or ask in hrtgen if youd like

>>42250278
>>42250361
oh the one thing i forgot to mention is ignore the guide on the progesterone part imo, i dont think theres meaningful evidence for the use of those, to do diy hrt you only need to order a vial of e, it works as monotherapy without the need for blockers (just the one injection, no pills at all)

>>42250361
My question is straight up: what hormone regiment would you suggest I get on considering all I've said? If you need more details I could give you my twitter or discord.