What do you think is the best cope for being an AGP? I guess there are different ways to do it, the ones i can think of are:>Dating women that like it when you crossdress>Dating men, and basically acting as if youre just a gay femboy.>Fully trooning out.Which one is the best? Or how do you decide whats for you?
>>42252491Troon out, be celibate and supress all thoughts related to sex
the best cope for being an AGP is constantly posting on 4chan while people constantly go out of their way to make fun of you and impersonate you
>>42252703do you seriously recommend trooning out as an agp? seems drastic, but the other options sound shit as well
>>42252727lol what else am i supposed to do?
>>42252727but she said shes hsts
>>42252743Repressing legit doesn't work and you will want to rope eventually.
>>42252764idk i feel like for me its just a fetish? ive been into crossdressing and imagining myself as a woman during sex since i was an early teen. but for a while I lived relatively happily as a guy, i didn't really have dysphoria, that is kind of a recent thing. i dont think its really worth it to transition for me
by dating AGP cis les and AGPing out together
the only AGP coping regimen that works>Stoicism or Buddhism (choose one)>Strength Training 3x a week>Fish oil and magnesium >NoFap / NoPorn >Zero tolerance CD policy>45 hour work week MINIMUM Ideally you would have straight sex with a woman but unfortunately a lot of men and AGPs are virgins these days so you'll have to make up the sex with more exercise
>>42252491I just put some panties and get railed by dude on occasion. works great for me but I dont have dysphoria
>>42252491I don't understand why any agp guy would decide to be with men. The whole point is being aroused by the idea of being female, so wouldn't you be into women? I don't even like my own body looking and feeling male, last thing I'd want is a significant other who looks and feels like that.
>>42254122>I don't understand why any agp guy would decide to be with mennothing makes me feel more like a woman than having a hard cock in my mouth or up my ass. simple as.
>>42254122men give me attention and make me feel feminine
>>42252491>dating women that like when you crossdressliterally does not exist. Your options as an AGP are to troon out and date men, who you will only like through an convoluted meta atttraction lens and not normal affection, or die alone.
>>42254243>literally does not existThey do. just rare
Become a far right chud
>>42254243>troon out and date men, who you will only like through an convoluted meta atttraction lens and not normal affectionbetter than dying alone but still sucks, is repressing not an option?
Don't date men as an agp, that's selfish.
>>42255016Oh yeah, thanks anon! I think I might just do that :)
>>42255133Lol I do, I've basically gaslit myself into liking men though
>>42254138Good girl
>>42252491>>42255016I was far right already. Now I'm a far right tranny with bf.Didn't solve everything, but solved a lot.
>>42252491Get railed by men, casually date women, marry a woman who's a fujo and/or into you crossdressing.That's basically what I've done, although I'm still just engaged to said woman.Never really considered it coping though, I like AGP.
>>42254122Larger men provide good contrast against my more feminine frame. Also it feels good to take dick!
>>42255368agp or hsts, what made you wanna transition, how did you experience dysphoria? sorry if these questions are too personal, im just trying to figure out if its worth it for me.
>>42255380seems like the best option thb... >marry a woman who's a fujo and/or into you crossdressingseems pretty hard to find this though
>>42255424Light agp, i guess? Loneliness and desperation were the primary motivators.I simply failed as a man.
>>42255442Maybe, but they exist and it's worth it.
>>42255168You're going to rip his still beating heart from his chest. Do you like being fetishized by other men? Because that's what you're doing to them. You're going to hurt them.
>>42255696>Do you like being fetishized by other men?Kinda>You're going to hurt them.Why is that? I honestly don't understand why. Do you think I can't feel love for a man? I'm pretty sure I can, just as much as for a woman anyway.
>>42255873I don't think you can in the way most women or a transitioned gay man can.
>>42254310So rare that you would be better off betting all of your happiness on winning the lottery>>42255041Repressing was covered under the “dying alone” section.
>>42253587I feel like the stoicism and 45 hr work week are actually quite true.A few years ago, I was really quite with school, and worked full time during large parts of the holidays. I was quite high achieving for my age, and used that to fuel my fragile ego. But it worked, and I felt great.Only later, when I started uni, had to fully manage my own time and got into a performace slump due to some internal and external reasons, did my AGP flare up and I developed more significant dysphoria. Like some chronic disease that, prior to this, lay largely dormant and was controllable.This, combined with little new "fuel" for my fragile ego due to the afromentioned academic performance decrease, destabilized me so much that I went to therapy and got on HRT.But now, 3 months in, I'm starting to understand that nothing will truly and authentically make me a woman, if I don't already feel like one, and instead even prefer the male, driven, assertive, competitive way to live.Which is why I've decided to give being a man another try, go off HRT, and just cram my day full of so much work and activities that I feel useful and productive again. Now knowing my demons, I hopefully will be able to sense an upcoming period of weakness before it overwhelms me, and be better equipped to power through.
>>42256002>So raremeh. if theres a will theres a way. I've met multiple women into some feminization play...but then again im not an incel
>>42256129Sounds like I comment I'd write in 2014. Missed almost 3 years due to this kind of thinking.
>>42256129you can still be a man and get railed in panties like a girl. works for me.
>>42256827I don't even want to get railed. Never craved actual intimacy ever. My whole libido and every desire arising from it is based on imagining myself as a submissive woman wearing feminine, attractive clothing.And since I've decided that I will not become that fantasy, because living authentic to my actual male personality is important to me, I will just try to exhaust myself with other, more fruitful activities.>>42256785I read of many experiences like yours, and can only hope that I will meet a different fate. Because I cannot imagine this discrepancy between desired looks and actual personality to go away. If I were to transition, I would literally be a man in a feminine body, an intruder in womens spaces, a mockery of real trans people.I mostly hope that I only see so many stories like yours due to sampling bias, because people with my mindset not transitioning would not stick around on the tranny board for years afterwards.
>>42257011>discrepancy between desired looks and actual personality to go awayIt did in my case. But after 4+ years. And surgeries.>If I were to transition, I would literally be a man in a feminine body, an intruder in womens spaces, a mockery of real trans people.I stopped believing in the "trutrans" meme a long time ago.I walk, talk, move, look and partially feel like a cis woman. And I enjoy doing it and I enjoy the rewards for it. Who gives af if some resentful anons think that's not "trve" enough?
>>42257110I've also read that sentiment somewhat often, that the personality changes to female after some time.I guess, with transition, you gain some, and you lose some qualities, traits, whatever.And if that is worth it to people, I will respect that and cheer them on.But for me, the things I would lose are, from my POV today, not worth the gains.For example: I love how much more honest, direct and sarcastic I can be as a man. Sure, I could still be as brutally honest and direct after transition, and make the same jokes like I did as a guy, but at least in my experience, that is highly uncommon for women, and I'd need to pass perfectly not to have that interpreted as clocky. Even then, it would still be seen as strange.Also, I love how confident and safe I feel when walking in public, even at night. I never have to worry about being seen as prey, about being disproportionately weaker. My confident, fast stride has even become somewhat of a trademark that other people remember about me, because it just radiates a certain confidence. Same with smiles, the male nod, the male way of patting on the shoulder, the comradery.I like all that, I am good at it. And I don't want to lose it, become weaker, be less accepted for assertiveness, become more mindful of my lacking ability to defend myself.So sure, I have a fucked up sexuality. And other people with a similar sexuality and less to lose might find transition to be worth it. But I view being a man as so much more than a body I might not like too much. It's a way of life. It's a way to carry and present myself, and be seen.It's not the perfect fit for me, but the better one.I'm grateful for what trying out HRT and reading through so many experiences from trans ppl taught me. I hope, with this experience, I can learn to be a more complete and mindful person. But I won't be a woman.
>>42253587i would literally blow my head off if i tried living like this. those are all the things that would motivate me to troon even more.
>>42252703Please don't take this retard seriously, OP
>>42253587Spoken like a 24 year old that has no idea how bad this gets as you age. All ypu listed are ways to ensure a John50 situation.
>>42257542I didn't try the fish oil thing. But tried all the others.And yes, I trooned out.Amazing how stupid I was to postpone so much.
>>42257568the fish oil thing is whatever but most of that list is like ropefuel to me or at least it use to be it's the opposite of living your life.
>>42253587i'm another one that's all of these and more. it always returns. they were all useful learning opportunities, i guess, though i wish i had the opportunity and the courage to just be myself when i was younger.i don't hate myself enough to try the only method that i believe would work.
>>42257695It wasn't ropefuel for me (I love being alive), but it was gigatroon fuel, for sure.
>>42253587what is repression
>>42252743repping as an agp is impossible because AGP inevitably gives you gender dysphoria once it advances. Ultimately the only solution is trooning, and once becoming a troon you completely shed your AGP behaviors... blanchard witnessed this countless times and ultimately he believed that trooning was the cure for advanced agp
>>42259568But why is indulging in the desire the recommended strategy, while for other paraphilias, e.g. necrophilia, much effort is put into coping with the unfortunate preference, while emphasizing the importance of never letting fantasy become reality?It just seems so wrong that a man like me, with a male identity and some unfortionate bdd issues, is told that upending his whole life to transition and play a female role, is the best possible strategy to handle AGP..And it's also just very sad, because I like my male personality. I don't want to change it, I don't want it changed or softened by estrogen or female socialization.There must be another way. Please. I feel like my male ego is drowning.
I'm an AGPer who imagines himself getting fucked by men as an imagined woman. Isn't the most simple and best option to get fucked by men as an actual woman? like what could be better than that. Isn't it the AGP dream we should all fulfill
>>42259865There is so much more to life, and to individuals, than sex.My dream is to beat / make a truce with having AGP, and to not be so destabilized and distracted by it. It's like I have a demon inside of me.
>>42252491Stop falling for jewmemes and admit what you really are.
>>42252491Oh no!! Glegle cast a transgender spell on you!!!!
>>42259901sure, i'm not saying sex all the time, i'm saying the amount of sex like any normal person. obviously it doesn't have to consume your life if you don't let it
>>42259901you gotta find something to distract yourself with anon. otherwise you probably wouldn't be posting here.so much of this boils down to transness being frowned upon doesn't it. discrimination, humuliation, ostracization, etc. the answer is there.
>>42260088To me, discrimination, humuliation, ostracization are not the biggest hurdles. I'm lucky in the regard that my family knows about my desires to be fem (without the AGP background ofc) and would support me were I to transition, and that I could probably pass.I'm actually close to 3 months on DIY E as a test.No, my issue is that I wasn't a failed male before, and given that I didn't socially transition and plan to stop HRT, am still not. I am driven, charismatic, assertive, and respected. Despite some recent struggles, I'm overall academically successful. And I like the way I can carry myself in public as a guy.AGP is just a fantasy for me that got out of control, and led me to trying out E. I have to find a different way to deal with this without transition. Not because of societal pressures, but because of me knowing that I am male at my core, and wanting to live authentically and up to my full potential.
>>42260201your story doesn't add updriven, assertive men aren't dooming about how to overcome their agp on /tttt/
the AGPs who declare themselves to be so "authentically male" are also the hardest reppers and more likely to eventually troon
>>42260245Why not?I am terminally AGP since the start of puberty. So much so that I never fantasized about actual intimacy with anyone else, but only ever about myself being feminized. And yet, I had this under control till I was 21, as in masturbating to the idea and then being done with it.It only escalated after I had a slump in academic performance, my fragile ego entirely fueled by constant achievement took a hit, and I decided to isolate myself from my peers in uni for a while due to shame. Then, I met a trans woman when attending an elective in uni, and looked up "what makes a person trans" out of curiosity. Upon which I discovered in horror how many "symptoms" of dysphoria and desire I could relate to. I had an identity crisis from that, resulting in a year of questioning, going to therapy, and ultimately now 3 months on E.Now, was it a good idea to base my entire self worth on academic achivement? Probably not. But also an easy trap to fall into if you are a somewhat gifted single child that grew up a bit isolated.Does the fact I have AGP mean I have at no point in the past been happy with most aspects of masculinity, successful in life and due to my ego fueled by achivement and praise, quite assertive and dominant in interactions with peers? No, because I have.So instead of turning my back on a very difficult path, just because it got a little rocky for a bit, and I was in a suboptimal state of mind to tackle it, I simply have to work on building a more holistic foundation for confidence and ego.Because, as I can attest: Success and pride is the best way to keep AGP from taking over.>>42260348How so? Why would that correlate?
>>42260507Oops, I meant to say very promising path(difficult as well, but that wasn't the point)
>>42260507>now 3 months on Edo you still only ever fantasize about yourself being feminized? or do you now fantasize about other men or women? basically, have you overcome it yet, and do you think you will?
>>42259827Because untreated gender dysphoria is associated with many negative life outcomes>>42260507Many such cases
>>42260507>Because, as I can attest: Success and pride is the best way to keep AGP from taking overI genuinely laughed reading this.I hope you're larp, anon. But if you're serious, I am sorry in advance on how messed up your situation will be in 5-7 years if you follow this foolish path of thinking you can beat agp via meme achievements ("success") and gaslighting yourself into meaningless pride. This strategy WILL bite your ass sooner or later.
>>42260597No, still don't fanasize about anyone else.My fantasies are so laughable it's almost funny.Like for one "session" of self pleasure it's enough to imagine myself in the position of a women whose blog I once read, who got tongue piercings and got conditioned by her boyfriend to not untrain the lisp that came from that. So that she always sounds bimbo like and is taken less seriously.Or imagining myself as a women made by a bf to always wear heels, to the point that my muscles shorten and I can't wear flat footed. The bf is only there for his function of being dominant, not because I crave closeness or intimacy.Or imagining myself being forced to always wear skirts or dresses (with pantyhose to make it extra cringe), to feel more submissive and vulnerable than if I were to wear pants.Stuff like that. It's absolutely stupid, and deeply engrained.My current hypothesis for why I have these fantasies is that IRL, I'm literally hyper-competetive in every aspect of life that involves intelligence, and that I like absolutely dominating in e.g. arguments / debates. Kind of like my subconscious creates my desires as a counterweight.So maybe, if I find a healthier approach to competition and my own self worth, I could reduce the AGP intensity.But given that I've literally never desired *inter*course, I doubt it will ever fully go away.
>>42260789no no no but I'm saying if you ever get to that point in your life where you actually ARE that woman you're describing. because when you are the woman, the AGP thoughts simply become normal arousal.
>>42260777I mean, I can't prove this to you, but I wish it was a larp. Because it's very real.Look, I'm aware that many have tried and failed to desist from AGP induced transition.And I wish I could be like them and simply embrace becoming feminine with open arms. But I can't. Because that wouldn't be me.And also... Meme achievements?I don't strive to make the most money, or buy a big house. I study to become an engineer, and am politically interested. To me, an achivement is building something that works and makes someones life better. Or winning a debate by making the smarter case. That feels electrifying. And I know from experience that when I work hard and am good at what I do, all this cringe AGP crap is simply not as much of a concern in my life. I know this works because I've done it, I think I can get back to that. Just a bit less egomanical, for more stability.
>>42260824I understood your question as asking about my current state of being.I guess, on a more fundamental level, I don't respect arousal in general. My brain works differently, I am distracted and lack control. So even if my AGP might fade or become normal arousal, I'd still hate that. And by looking at it from that lens, having arousal that I don't want as a man about being a woman, or as a woman, doesn't make that much of a difference. Only that one option costs a lot of money, time and would have me live as a man in a womans body, i.e. inauthentically.I truly don't think I will ever desire to sexually interact with any other person than myself, no matter which path I choose.
>>42260957so you're a virgin? at what age?
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>>42260899>I know this works because I've done itI believe you. I am however sure that it will not be true 10 or 15 years from now.Life is long, anon. You're 20-something now. You feel you're immortal and you can do anything at a high pace. Things will look different at 35. Or at 45. You're setting yourself up for a sexless and loveless life that ends with John50 or roping.You're not the first one who thought is smarter than this.
>>42261058you ok with never having sex for the rest of your life?
>>42261060Conceptually, I have no problem with roping. I've only ever defined my lifes purpose as being a productive, contributing member of society, using my talents to the fullest. Everything else is just side quests.If I ever find myself to be no longer capable of some kind of productive contribution, be that engineering or giving out soup at the food bank, I intend to end it. Because then I've served my purpose. I've known that for many many years. And it's fine by me.
>>42253587i have sex but still qant to be fucked as a woman am i agp
>>42261099Absolutely. I'm only, like, mildly curious about it. But also kinda weirded out. I've tried to watch gay and straight porn and got literally nothing out of it. Only from trans stuff, if submissiveness and one some clothing items I fetishize were on display.So nothing I really want in my life.
Being AGP makes me happy.
>>42261115Yeah, you're clearly 22.I believed something similar at that age. Then trooned out at 25. Now almost 43 as a married tranny. A contributing member of society, but as a woman. Loved by my husband and my brother's kids. And a thriving social life.Thank god I kicked my 22yo self to the curb.I've been a tranny for almost as much as you've been alive on Earth. You seriously don't realize just how long life really is. And just how often and profound physiological and mental changes occur with age.Your mentality is untenable. In addition to being sad.If you tell a psychiatrist what you told us here, even the most repressive one would put you on hrt and affirming therapy to get your brainworms killed. You have gr8 potential for a gr8 life. Yet you insist on throwing it away for superficial reasons (like walking in the night, or some commanding tone shit I saw you wrote a few days ago).I really hope you're larp.
>>42252491first, u fully troon outsecond, you go full in into agp and then u start simply living like a woman and then u forget abt agp
>>42261314That's the ideal case. Too bad so many trannies get lost somewhere along the way.
>>42261268So first of all, I'm really glad you're happy with your decision to transition.However, I don't entirely agree with what you describe as superficial reasons, or great potential for life.I know what I'm good at. Mostly stuff where I can use my brain, drive and endurance to develop, pursue or argue something. Thats where my potential lies.I am not so good at being empathetic, vulnerable, loving. And thats fine by me. And also very much not where I have a lot of potential.From that POV, the superficial thing to do would be to spend time and money to modify my body, train my voice, learn a different socialization, find a new style.Instead, simply accepting where I'm at and going from there to be maximally productive is so much simpler. And most certainly not something I would call "throwing my life away".
>>42252491just take your HRT, retard
>>42261412i knew everything at your age tooand i was very certain that i had it all figured outthis has been going on in the background since i was very young, and i'm now acting on it in my 30sdo what you need to do, there is no wrong answer. i question why the fuck you're here trying to convince tranny strangers that you shouldn't transition instead of moving on and living life as a man already
>>42261412>And most certainly not something I would call "throwing my life away"Yes, anon, TODAY.How about when you'll be 35? Or 45?If you seriously think you can keep up the same pace with the same stamina 30+ years from now you're simply wrong.Try to think with the power of the decade.>Mostly stuff where I can use my brain, drive and endurance to develop, pursue or argue something. Thats where my potential lies.None of that is affected by transition.>I am not so good at being empathetic, vulnerable, loving.Men are the empathetic gender, lol.And given how cold people are today, you wouldn't stand out as a non-loving woman. It's why I have it so easy at keeping my husband. The potential competition is really weak.>From that POV, the superficial thing to do would be to spend time and money to modify my body, train my voice, learn a different socialization, find a new style.You can do both. Especially as young!You won't be able to do this 15yrs from now (especially not easily) and in 20yrs you won't easily do what you're good at either and then agp will eat you inside out.
>>42261450>and i'm now acting on it in my 30sGood luck, nona!I have a friend who strated at 38. It was... harsh. Now she's happier but at 47. Instead of John50 she's trying to make up for lost time.
>>42261474thank you nona <3
>>42261450As to why I'm arguing my point here: I basically selfishly use this forum as a means of anonymous talk-therapy, if you want to call it that. I explain others my feelings and by doing so, illuminate them more thoroughly. Obviously, to have ended up where I am now (3 months HRT), a lot of pent up feelings from years of repression came down on me when I accepted myself as AGP. I have to work through them, and do that, in part, here. So that I can get some clarity back on who I really am, and what is just some misguided sexual stuff.Also, I could in turn ask you. Why are you here? Have you really moved on?>>42261459No, I obviously won't be able to keep up the pace 30 years from know. But I can always make myself useful, and likely won't get a more feminine soul with age.As to empathy: In my experience, when I make crude, sarcastic, mean, morbid jokes (which I like to do quite often), the men around me laugh. The women are annoyed or shocked, due to my humor being "too intense / heartless".If other people make jokes like that, it's always men.Also, if we look at care jobs like nursing or work in an elderly home, in my experience, there are mostly women there.Sure, my experience is sample size 1, and not all encompassing. But there are certain character traits that I associate with certain genders. And empathy is, to me, definitely a feminine trait.Finally: AGP has eaten me inside out, because I repressed it. Because I had desires I didn't understand, that confused me and that I felt I had to hide, to appear normal.But now I know that there is nothing shameful about being AGP. Yeah, it's uncommon, but there are way worse things to be into. That does however not mean that I have a female identity. Because I don't. And with that clarity, there is nothing that could eat me alive any more.Except for maybe transitioning and living unauthentically as a woman.
>>42252743it depends on if the AGP coincides with strong autoandrophobia
