i'm mtf nb (basically want a feminine body but don't care much for looking like a woman) but a lot of other trans people are weirdly strict about these things, like on here or on dating apps. i'm kind of an unusual case in the sense that i transitioned because i wanted to basically be a better aging version of me but most people go though this whole process to become a woman, specifically. am i like- unusual in this? i don't really bother with voice training and i have relatively shorter hair because long hair is uncomfortable and distracting. i've only met one other person like this.
>>42270831sounds more like a looksmaxxing thing than a tranny thing, you might find more similarly minded people on forums like that
>>42270831you just dont have severe dysphoria
>>42270831idk i feel like if i ever actually 'transitioned' this would be the route i take
>>42270831>become a woman, specifically.For me it's not that directly personally. It's more I really hate the masculine me and femininity brings the distance from thatOn what things I wish more femininity? All. So hence it's just easier for me and for other if I call myself a trans women. Also here it's strict on medical help so they only help trans men and women specifically so the label helps there>am i like- unusual in this? No, yes? To me you sound like an enby and being there is an infinite of possibilities in which you can mix and match or chose things that fit you bestI get you, the "I want to be a woman" trans women label is quite restrictive, but you can also keep in mind ciswomen are also very unique and different in their ways
>>42270831i mean im basically the same as you, i still act and look like a guy but i feel much better taking some kind of hrt. it would be more of a bother to try and identify as a woman and all the things id have to do (voice training, surgery, coming out) than to just not and keep taking the pills that stop me from turning into an ogre
>>42270908this desui am also mtf enby but more than just being feminine i wanted a *female* body. i don't care about being a woman, necessarily, but it sort of comes with the territory of appearing female, so that's how i live, regardless.i guess we are similar in that gender doesn't matter, but i don't think you are really transgender in the traditional sense. what you perceive to be strictness in the beliefs and lifestyles of others is probably just them being an entirely separate thing from you, which is okay. it sounds like you're basically just an hrt femboy; please forgive me if i have misunderstood.
>>42270946> i don't think you are really transgender in the traditional sensei find the idea that there is a "traditional" idea of being a tranny funny, considering how untraditional the concept is.its like how trannies in thailand call themselves ladyboys and are fine with it, or how trannies in the roman empire would castrate themselves and join a cult. people just take the path of least resistance that helps them, its nothing to do with identity imo.
>>42270831I was thinking about going down this route, but after 3 years hrt, girlmoding is way less offensive than boymoding.
>>42270964>way less offensiveHow?
>>42270831>i transitioned because i wanted to basically be a better aging version of meWhich you thought you'd achieve by hopping on exogenous "female" hermones?
>>42270964depends on if you can pass or not, my chad jaw makes it impossible so i do the world a favor
>>42270939kind of get that. i boymoded for my two years on HRT and i was pretty OK just being a tall estrogenized twink with short hair. in retrospect it was because i felt i could never pass, and because i received a lot of validation as a man i thought was hard to let go of. dating apps were weird because i was never sure to list my gender as man or transfeminine since i living and presenting as a gnc man while taking HRT. i was still voice training during this tho, so i think maybe different from you insofar as my ultimate goal was to become a woman but i had no idea how to get there.eventually i started malefailing tho so went all in on social transition, ffs, etc. lol
>>42271008I pass as female and confuse people in boymode
>>42271022>boymoded for my two years on HRT2 years coming up for in a few days>tall estrogenized twinksame>it was because i felt i could never passyupp>received a lot of validation as a manmhm>i was never sure to list my gender as man or transfeminineI struggle with that too. My bf still calls me boyfriend and everything>i was still voice trainingI haven't looked deep into it, but I've always subconsciously made my voice higher pitch and I do push it every now and again now(btw I know pitch isn't everything)>eventually i started malefailingWill NEVER happen to me lol
>validation as a mansus
>>42271189be tall
>>42270956mm. you are right about this. i guess what i'm talking about is not tradition but normativity. which, i suppose, is also weird with regard to trans people. but the normative mtf IS a woman, right? someone taking hormones and/or getting surgery because they wanted to live as a woman or even female. you are not transitioning to anything in particular. the "mtf" nature of your transition is purely incidental to the norms surrounding the hormones you are putting into your body. do you consider yourself a woman? do you want to be female? if you're transitioning straight from male to enby i would say this is very different from the objective of the normative "mtf", which makes you sort of an outsider when it comes to that group.it doesn't mean you're doing anything wrong; you're just not one of them, which is why your beliefs seem to be so divergent.
>>42271203i am
>>42271259yes but that word normative is relative to the norms of society and not to yourself, like i think a lot of mtfs identify as women simply because thats how to become normal in the eyes of other people, whereas saying you are an androgyne or a ladyboy or genderless, people look at you funny.so when you say stuff like "you're not one of them" i halfway agree, only because i think there are more factors than one that effect peoples identities, wanting to be a woman is one thing, but its also because they want to be normal. i think theres a lot of transwomen who essentially see themselves as feminized boys but would tell anyone who asked they were a woman.
>>42270831I’m similar but instead of aging I do have mild dysphoria and extreme dysmorphia. I want to be androgynous with a strong fem bias physically (basically a chubby and somewhat clocky but attractive transwoman with long emo hair) but I hate dresses, heavy makeup, and socializing as a woman. Instead I essentially socialize as a very cutesy bratty gay with emo/grunge fits and an uppitched emo teen gay voice. Would not present any other way desu
>>42270831kinda just sounds like a healthier mental relationship w yourself and being reasonable. maybe that is unusual but certainly not bad
>>42271627well i dunno..i, for example, am also nonbinary. but the whole reason i transitioned was because of dysphoria. i want to be female. my being a woman is itself entirely incidental to my being (ostensibly) female. i don't tell people i'm nonbinary because there's no point, but i still am, internally, anyways. while i am "genderless", the impetus for my transitioning was the same as it is for, like, probably 99% of mtfs, whereas you are different in that it was not about womanhood or femaleness at all. that is the distinction i am trying to make.>i think theres a lot of transwomen who essentially see themselves as feminized boys but would tell anyone who asked they were a woman.you are describing someone like you? i think these people definitely exist, but if you are being told by people>this is what it means to be transgender>this is how it works>you can't be nonbinaryetc, i think those people most likely do not see themselves as NOT women, you know? or at least do not aspire to not be women.so, yes, i do think there are mtfs who turn out like you, they are still distinctly different groups: those who care, ultimately, about their apparent femaleness, and those who do not. like i said, you are essentially not even mtf. the only reason you have that interpellation is due to your use of hormones. the goal of such use for you is not (necessarily) a desire to be a woman or female at all, if i understand correctly. i think that the presence of at least one of those two things constitutes a totally separate group from the group which takes hormones just to be feminine, but without any initial or ultimate goal to transition at all.
This is me. I wish I did this younger rather than thinking I wasn't trans enough.
>>42272947i transitioned because of dysphoria but i dont want to be a female. it doesnt make sense to me to want to be something that i literally cant be. its not that i would if i could, i jsut dont think it makes sense to me that way. in my opinion all trans people are literally nonbinary in the sense that your gender is partial. whatever people chose to call themselves in their head is up to them but ultimately its all just variations on the same thing, im more like a trans woman than i am like a man so make of that whatever
>>42270831i'm the same way here, the reason i'm transitioning is basically just to make myself more cute and androgynous and to get away from the problems that come with testosterone and being "male"i've always had a shy and delicate personality, disliked roughness, etc., and masculinity and maleness just feel wrong and gross to me on a basic levelbut by the same token i don't have any particular want to be a woman, to the extent that it means anything more than just being feminine (which it doesn't necessarily have to, but different people get different ideas in their heads about it)i don't really like the nonbinary label, either, since it feels unspecific and misleading, i guess "agender" might be more accurate but it's also pretty self-defeating to label yourself that way2bh i live in a pretty accepting country and my friends and acquaintances are all pretty supportive so in practice i usually get gendered female, which is basically fine with me since i get treated niceys and included in social groups and stuffthat's more or less what it boils down to i guess, i want to have nice things for myself and i want to avoid having unpleasant things pushed onto me, and physical appearance, gender presentation, etc. is just a tool or a canvas for that
>>42270831This is basically true trans. Almost all of the "symptoms" of disphoria are identical to ocd hyper fixation down to surgery helping. Literally look up obsessive thoughts ocd and you will see it. Basically most trans people are not really trans but ocd autists with hetromale sexuality
>>42274183>>42270831>>42270908Gender roles are made up religious thing! Be/become yourself. You are trans if you have dysphoria, want to be woman/womanly. Most people live in the past like those gender roles thing which are not the reality. Everything in this world is a spectrum adding labels cause friction. No need to put yourself in those boxes unless you want to. They are there just to try to explain things. THERE IS NO ONE WAY TO BE SOMETHING! Those who live in their black and white lalaland of stereotypes are furthest way from the truth!
>>42270831yes, youre unusual. yes, so is everybody else. you transition, or not, or are nb, but regardless people see what they want.perspectives are shit, walk around like you own the fucking place. you think any of these stupid ass trannys are actually gonna do anything about it? shut their hole. also if any of u got hard reading this lmk.>t. fellow andro nb
