>>42274061
honestly even though iwnbaw is it worth taking hrt so i don't become even more masculine?

>>42274061
There is nothing wrong with him
TwinkDeath is a pedophilic term for fear mongering

>>42274061
Holy ramus 404

>>42274080
if you don't want to end up looking like OP you should start hrt right this instant

>>42274080
cool thing is you get to decide
do whatever the fuck you wanna do

>>42274087
op looks fucking fine.

i look more masculine than that at 20

if op took hrt they'd pass easily

>>42274090
but i'm scared of needles and commitment and spending money

but i don't know if i'll regret it later on

i feel like i'm just going to sit here in indecision until i'm 40 and then either become depressed or dissociate.

>>42274091
OP is a delusional girl that thinks she's a cis man
she should start HRT and stop before she gets married

>>42274096
can't help you there sorry
i am one of those people that knows what they want and does it. better to regret something you chose to do than regret not doing anything at all

>>42274110
trvthnvke we must forcefem every obvious passoid repper

>>42274111
how do you do that? i never know what i want. i just spend ages agonising over everything until the opportunity has passed me by. and i'm always afraid of being judged for doing the wrong thing.

i can barely commit to like, a university module, let alone hormones. i know i should hrtrep (at least i think i should) but i'm too lazy to do anything about it.

because like what if i'm not actually a tranny and i'm just doing this for attention or a fetish?

>>42274061
that's literally just a whole ass man

>>42274119
>because like what if i'm not actually a tranny and i'm just doing this for attention or a fetish?
is that so bad, though?
I coped that I put a lot of effort in cosplay because it's just a fetish and i like the attention. eventually i stopped caring whether i'm "true" or not.

>>42274145
i would feel dirty doing something just for a fetish. i wouldn't feel like i deserved it. i mean i don't even know if i have real dysphoria. i could probably continue on as a man. it just sounds so much more fun to be a girl.

>>42274151
>i would feel dirty doing something just for a fetish
you only get one shot at life. Better not blow it. And if you do, swallow.
but no, seriously, who the fuck cares?

>i mean i don't even know if i have real dysphoria. i could probably continue on as a man. it just sounds so much more fun to be a girl
stopped caring about that and got happier in the process. even found a bf willing to move in with me. life's too short to spend second guessing every single minute shit. i girlmode sometimes and it's fun. maybe it's a fetish. who gives af?

>>42274151
>hormone that makes you uglier
>hormone that makes you prettier
it's as simple as that, you're choosing one or the other no matter what you do

>>42274163
okay but i still feel like i might regret it if i use that one shot for a fetish. especially considering i probably won't pass

>stopped caring about that and got happier in the process
how did you do that?

>>42274184
i guess but i feel like the hormones i was born with is how i was supposed to live my life. i don't think most people would accept me being as transhumanist as that.

>>42274061
Sup loony troons, possible 30 y/o repper boomer or just bored here, do you all really think that woman and men on female hrt age better than cis males? Is this based on anything more than a futile desire to push back the loss of twink aesthetics/visible ageing itself? Because honestly, woman age terribly too and people on any sort of hormone therapy seem to age the worst of all.

>>42274440
>but i still feel like i might regret it
Better regret trying than live with the "what if" regrets.

>especially considering i probably won't pass
I don't fully pass either. And that's fine.
I don't even identify as a woman. Just a hrtfemboy. I girlmode for fun. Some say I pass, some that I don't. Whatever. Experimenting itself is fun.
If I ever get to passing, great. If not, then I'll still be cuter for a guy for a lot longer.

>>stopped caring about that and got happier in the process
>how did you do that?
I just told you. By realizing life's too short to spend it second guessing.
Why bother with the opinion(s) of strangers on the internet or of people who hate me either way? Haters gonna hate. Let 'em seethe and do your own thing.
All of these "rules" and labels ultimately don't quite matter.

>>42274145
>is that so bad, though?
If you value either authenticity and/or physical health then yes, that would be quite bad, hormone therapy is not without side effects and surgery is never without risk.

>>42274481
>Why bother with the opinion(s) of strangers on the internet or of people who hate me either way?
Not everybody critical of transitioning or current politics surrounding it hates you.

It's just that motivating important decisions with potential lifelong health consequences and irrevirsible effects with a statement as
>at least ill look cuter for a guy for a lot longer
seems rather insane/stupid/incredibly immature.

>>42274492
>hormone therapy is not without side effects and surgery is never without risk.
Nothing in life is without risk, anon.
Doing "nothing" is still a choice with risk. >>42274184 put it just right.

We're all going to grow old, get sick and eventually die.

>muh authenticity
Yeah, that's a meme. What's "authentic" to one is cosplay for the other.

>>42274520
>Nothing in life is without risk, anon.
>Doing "nothing" is still a choice with risk.
False. If you've got your physical health dailed in and your endocrine system is functioning perfectly than no exogenous hormonal intervention comes at literally no risk and is, physical healthwise, 100% the best option for you.

>>42274514
>seems rather insane/stupid/incredibly immature
nta but why?

>>42274514
>Not everybody critical of transitioning or current politics surrounding it hates you
>proceeds to call me insane 3 lines later

This is what I meant.
Idgaf if you hate me or think that I'm insane or w/e. You're just pixels on the screen.
Every single celebrity and an increasing share of normies do looksmaxxing. But oh no, it's suddenly an issue if as a guy incorporate some estrogen into my looksmaxxing. And it's suddenly political because I girlmode from time to time for my amusement and for the amusement of my friends.
Let me shock you a bit: I even make an honest dollar out of it too by being a background dancer in various very normie shows. If you're in Europe and ever went to a normie pop festival/show that had dancers in the background in the last 4 years, there is a non-zero chance you watched me too.

>>42274536
>than
Then

>>42274536
>If you've got your physical health dailed in and your endocrine system is functioning perfectly
I laughed.
You do realize hrt has been around long before the tranny political dispute, right?
What do you think post-menopausal women who continue to look gorgeous and be sexually active do to achieve that?
What do you think older actors do to stay in shape and continue to look gorgeous?
They're all on some "exogenous hormonal intervention" (to use your pompous language), in addition to a fuckton of other looksmaxxing routines from diet, to workout, to skincare routines and so on.
And again, nobody preaches against that. It's always a problem when someone like me is being honest.
You're just a garden variety bad faith concern troll.

>>42274538
>>proceeds to call me insane 3 lines later

You should take a reading class:

>>42274514
>It's just that motivating important decisions

Now does that really refer to you as a person?

>But oh no, it's suddenly an issue if as a guy incorporate some estrogen into my looksmaxxing.

Actually my stance applies to looksmaxers hopping on exogenous "male" hormones and black/gray market peptides all the same.

>>42274481
i'm just worried i'll end up like those people who get plastic surgery and regret it. like, if i'm just taking hormones to look pretty instead of alleviating dysphoria, is that any different from the vapid sorts of people who get lip filler? i don't want to end up like them.

>I don't fully pass either. And that's fine.
you probably pass better than you think.

but either way, i don't think i could troon if i didn't pass. it feels like it would just make me more unhappy. as a man i can ignore it but as a hon i would just notice all my masculine features.

>Why bother with the opinion(s) of strangers on the internet or of people who hate me either way?
it's not them i'm worried about. it's my friends and family and people i respect. and the people who hate us are getting more and more powerful and more and more angry at us and i'm worried about them doing something to me.

>>42274567
>Actually my stance applies to looksmaxers hopping on exogenous "male" hormones and black/gray market peptides all the same.
Yes, of course.
I totally believe you that you go preach like this to roided gymbros IRL all the time.
Cut the crap.

>>42274564
>What do you think post-menopausal women who continue to look gorgeous and be sexually active do to achieve that?
>What do you think older actors do to stay in shape and continue to look gorgeous?
Old, to manage age related dysfunction and medical problems that spring from that. Under medical supervision, for health reasons. Not strictly driven by vanity like you and looksmaxers.

>>42274571
Actually yes, i shitpost in /fit/ exactly like that.

>>42274570
>i'm just worried i'll end up like those people who get plastic surgery and regret it
Legitimate concern. It's why I still haven't gotten ffs. And I look a lot at the details and results of every place in Europe that offers it.
I'll probably settle for a moderate change at a more expensive and reliable place to alleviate this possibility.

>if i'm just taking hormones to look pretty instead of alleviating dysphoria, is that any different from the vapid sorts of people who get lip filler?
No? Yes? Idk? Who gives a shit?
My criterion is whether I like it or not weighted against the trade-offs (if it has too dangerous/long lasting side effects, then I'm not interested).
I won't get a lip filler for instance because I don't like the technologies used rn. Too much risk, not enough benefit.

>you probably pass better than you think
With the right clothing, I do. Especially as I've gotten better with the voice.
But if I dress in stereotypical masculine clothes, I don't register female to half of the people.
I'm just not bothered by this that much.
I'm fine with being an hrtfemboy for now.

>and the people who hate us are getting more and more powerful and more and more angry at us and i'm worried about them doing something to me
You worry too much.
I'm 36 and I look 20-21-ish. Started fucking around with hormones and looksmaxxing at 16. Let's just say that the world of 2006 was a lot less friendly than this one.
If I had spent the time worrying instead of doing things, I would now be a gincel stuck in a waggie pseudo-career at best. Or some terminally online weirdo.
I guess my curiosity helped. And my parents' upbringing. They weren't particularly happy with me being a fag, but they did insist that I don't wait for anyone's approval and that mistakes in life are unavoidable anyway.
When I got them an invitation to my first performance in a festival they thought I was joking. After the performance my dad hugged me stronger than ever before.
Life's too short anon.

>>42274573
>Under medical supervision, for health reasons. Not strictly driven by vanity like you and looksmaxers.
It is driven by vanity. The "health reasons" is just the legal excuse.
If it were for health reasons they'd be happy to be healthy and ugly. But they're not. They're all shockingly beautiful way into their late 50s and beyond. Precisely because it's not for health reasons.
You're just envious.
When you'll be bald and hairy 15 years from now, I'll still be healthy and look younger. And likely your children (if you have them, because you sound like an incel) will pay to see my performances thus making my line go up and my retirement even more secure.

>>42274629
>I'm 36 and I look 20-21-ish.
Im going to go out on a limb here and say that you probably really don't as at least 90% of claims such as this are laughably untrue.

>>42274644
>It is driven by vanity. The "health reasons" is just the legal excuse.
No it is not, menopause causes numerous health issues in women as does low t in men. You are right however in sofar that many men claiming to get trt for health reasons actually just want to roid for vanity.

>>42274672
>many men claiming to get trt for health reasons actually just want to roid for vanity
So do women dude.
Women could be happy and healthy as incel babushkas. But they choose not to. Precisely because just existing healthily without living is only a good option for religious freaks and weirdos.
It's also funny that women getting T for vanity reasons gets lauded too. Here's an example: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/22/magazine/testosterone-women-health-sex-libido-menopause.html
But oh no, it's a big issue that some femboys take e.

>>42274654
That's fine. Next week I have a performance in LatAm. Good contract.
Who gives a shit what bitter resentful anon thinks about that.
The reason I say 20-21-ish is because I get carded all the time when I buy alcohol or cigs. Sometimes I even get told "oh, you really don't look 36 at all".
Meh. Enjoy your resentfulness bro. Stay healthy, hairy and bald. If that makes you happy, who am I to argue. It'd be nice tho if you'd also accept that not everyone has to agree with your definition of happiness.

>>42274718
You're projecting.

The way to deal with unwanted (body)hair is hair removal, not to diy a female hormonal profile as a male.

Zero signs of male pattern baldness here as a 30 y/o boomer btw.

>>42274750
>30 y/o boomer
See you in 15-20 years.
Of course you're not balding yet. Most men don't see this so early in life.

>The way to deal with unwanted (body)hair is hair removal, not to diy a female hormonal profile as a male.
Now who's projecting?
Of course I did laser. But the cute face and the smooth skin would not have stayed with me for so long without e. I see this at the other 30yo+ guys in my circles. Some are happy with the outcome, but others are now starting to look around for options because they realize that no skincare routine, no matter how rigorous and disciplined and "medically approved" will keep their skin soft and youthful.
It's a matter of choice. I'm happy with mine. Why can't you be happy with your choices? you being unhappy with my choices says more about you than about me.

>>42274629
>Legitimate concern.
As in like, my mind would associate me taking hormones to look prettier with plastic surgery.

>Who gives a shit?
Well, I don't know. But I worry my desire to do this is a product of the whole "image obsessed society" thing that's afraid of aging and being ugly. I don't know if I should just embrace my looks and accept that being hot doesn't matter. But I also wonder if that's a trap.

>Let's just say that the world of 2006 was a lot less friendly than this one.
Obviously I didn't live it but was there the same targeted, visceral hatred for trannies we see today? Like it seems like all the anti-trans sentiment was just "these guys are weirdoes." If politicians wanted someone to blame they blamed gay people or Arabs.

But now it feels like they're coming for us specifically. There's constant political movements genuinely blaming trannies for every societal ill. Especially in the UK. With social media and AI driving propaganda into people's brains, I'm afraid of a serious fallout from all this.

>Started fucking around with hormones and looksmaxxing at 16
But I'm 20. Will it be too late?

>>42275028
>my mind would associate me taking hormones to look prettier with plastic surgery.
So what? Does it make you feel better about yourself? If yes, carry on. If not, then don't.
Drop the neuroticism for crying out loud. Nobody truly gives a shit.

>I worry my desire to do this is a product of the whole "image obsessed society"
Even if that's true, so what?
Some people buy larger homes they can't afford. Or strong cars they don't need. I looksmaxx. Everyone does something weird for their vanity.
There is no risk-free choice. Even doing nothing comes with a lot of risks.
Your neuroticism sets you up for letting life just simply pass by you.

>If politicians wanted someone to blame they blamed gay people or Arabs
Yes. And I was an obvious faggot on hrt.
The telly told me it's my fault for every societal ill. I just carried on doing my thing.

>But now it feels like they're coming for us specifically
Again, in 2006 it "felt" they were coming for me specifically - faggot twinks.
If I had adopted your mentality I'd been dead now. Your mentality (and specifically your excessively destructive neuroticism) is a far bigger enemy than any politician.
You're harming yourself with this shit-tier mentality a lot more than any hrt, politician or bully could.

>With social media and AI
Who gives a shit?
Social media has been pumping propaganda in people's brains for longer than you've been alive. That will never change.
You can choose to be a spectator in your life, always worried about shit, or you can choose to at least TRY to live your life.
But stop trying to blame external factors for your lack of action.
You can't control what others think. But you can control what you do. You can choose to focus on what you can control or remain an eternally fearful irrelevant NPC always pushed around by people who choose to self-actualize and have agency.

>But I'm 20. Will it be too late?
No.
And I'm done answering. You are your own worst enemy.
I hope you're larp, though.

>>42274061
I was never beautiful

>>42274654
ive known a 36 year old who could pass for mid 20s, but she is a woman

>>42274119
>how do you do that?
its kinda catch-22 in the end i just forced it for the chance and it actually made me care about myself instead of what others think

>>42274061
Ryan, why the F are you still not on hrt?

ngmi

>>42274061
hrt is nor magic

>>42274061
I am a surgeon!!!

>>42274083
this