>>42275404
you're gonna make her think you're a serial killer op just fucking invite her to smoke weed most trannies are potheads

>>42275404
you sound like a fucking creep

dont use Grindr

>>42275570
>weed
Thanks for the reply but it is Illegal in my state also i cant bring her to my place my family is there im not trying to get outed anyway

>>42275596
Im not a creep i wouldnt hurt a fly Im a really timid nice guy. I just dont have the confidence to really rizz trans women like the chads do.

>>42275600
you type like an autist also why are you trying to get trannies on Grindr if you can't even host most of those bitches live in their parents basements

>>42275404
Autism is no excuse for being this dumb and rizzless. Most people can't get laid whenever they feel like it, you should accept that and take it with dignity rather than look that pathetic and desperate

>>42275643
I dont know we can figure something out. Maybe do something in a car in the woods or a gas station bathroom or something.

>>42275656
not beating the serial killer allegations

>>42275651
So what the fuck should I say then? Hi im such and such im a lonely virgin and REALLY want to have sex with with you. Please?

>>42275675
just say hi, try to strike up a conversation and get rejected until it eventually works

>>42275664
Im sorry i know that sounds bad. She will probably have to host which I can pay handsomely for. I have money and am desperate for sex. Though I am so scared I will cum fast and it will be awkward.

>>42275702
Oh my God that sounds so fucking scary but okay I can do that. I can do that if I really need to. Thank you

They do want money but you're supposed to act like it's a "date" so they feel like high class escorts. Also it's a "gift" or "helping" it's not sex for money.

t. experienced

>>42275613
Grindr is just a shitty place to be.

>>42275717
speaking from experience, nothing is more unattractive to me than being offered money for sex. if you do this, it will not work unless you happen to run into someone who is already on grindr to do sex work

>>42275726
>>42275730

Understood. I think I will just say what in my mind Chad would say. Like maybe I just tell her she is cute and offer to buy her dinner and come back to have sex with her hopefully. Thats probably what Chad does. Thank you

>>42275729
Yeah. But its the only app I actually found some cute trans people in my area. There is double list but they dont want to fuck 20yo dudes like me on there

>>42275730
Listen to this person op. It just shows lack of social awareness. It's like running up to a drug dealer saying "HEY DRUG DEALER LET ME GIVE YOU MONEY FOR ILLEGAL NARCOTICS"

What you do is you insinuate that you're financially comfortable and you like nice things. Reassure her that you're not some autist tardo who has no social awareness. Obviously, she is a hooker (trans women always are) but you're not supposed to be so direct about it

The "gift" is always same-denomination bills in a plain envelope. Never hand it to her directly and never openly refer to it as money or a payment. Use your imagination in how to be smooth about it. You are her "benefactor". Her "father figure". It's no big deal so don't make it a big deal.

>>42275780
Thank you for this reply. This makes sense. Trans women are angels so logically I need to reward them in some way for even considering providing me sex. The envelope thing makes sense. Maybe I will also write them a thank you note. Also I need to think of some jokes to make them laugh so they are more comfortable having sex with me probably. Thank you

>>42275780
As a tranny, I disagree about this. I don't like receiving any gifts from people I'm casually intimate with because it makes me feel like a whore and also pressured. Maybe I'm unusual though, or just more financially comfortable

>>42275841
Okay well that also makes sense. I think I will just buy them dinner then. Thats the safest bet

>>42275600
prostitution is also illegal...

>>42276564
Sure but its a harmless crime isnt it? Especially if a tranny needs the money. She wouldnt snitch

>>42276669
Weed is an even more harmless crime

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>>42276669
and weed isn't? i think you're going around this the wrong way by trying to frame sex as a transaction. maybe you should consider why you think tranners wouldn't want to sleep with you and try fixing that first

>>42276700
i think most of his problem is that he sees sex as something he goes on grindr and picks and pays for
he should be nice to tranner girls he meets socially instead and he would have a whole harem that wants his cock

also saying it so directly would scare off any non-prostitute girl since she'd be offended and any prostitute girl since she'd be smarter than to do something illegal after creating such an obvious record

>>42275404
>is it rude
yes. Unless a tranny is openly stating they’re doing sex worker where you’re soliciting, it’s so fucking tone deaf, demeaning and insulting. If you’re looking to pay for sex then you should be looking in other areas that specifically advertise escorting, not hookups, there’s a difference.

Hooking up or dating a tranny is no different than with a cis woman. So if you’re going to use dating apps then you need to play the name of the game:
>be attractive
>have a personality and connect with theirs
>treat them like a human not a product
>no one wants to go to the fucking woods for a hookup, if you’re going to invest then offer to pay half for a hotel room together AFTER the two of you are clearly interested in hooking up

>>42276805
>>42276829
>>42276958

Thank you for these replies. Makes sense. I think the main part of this is just me being confident which is hard but I can do that. I have fear and anxiety about saying the wrong thing or something going wrong(me cumming too fast for example), but I just have to get over that. Im tall, not hideous, not fat, and have a large penis, so that should be enough. Everything else is mental. So thank you

>>42276700
Though I will disagree I do think sex is a transaction. You are providing me with something I have providing you with something. But I understand that assuming someone is a prostitute is rude now. Thanks for the clarification

>>42277450
How is it a transaction if both people want it for its own sake? Transaction implies that one party is extrinsically motivated, which usually isn't the case with sex

>>42277475
The motivation is you get something if I give you something. Its completely transactional. You want my phone, okay give me $500. You want my penis? Ok provide me your anal cavity and allow me to touch you in other ways. It is transactional

Everything in life in my eyes is transactional. Love is also transactional. You provide love to someone in exchange for them to love you. Its an equal exchange.

Also flirting is another way of advertising a product isnt it
You are trying to convince someone that you have something they really want, and you are doing everything in your power to receive what you want from them, so you flirt to make your product(yourself) more appealing
Relationships are the same. Women choose Chad because Chad is the best product on the market. Women are buyers and us men are the commodities. Make sense to me

>>42277512
That's not what transactional means. That's also not how most people think about sex. No one wants just your dick and is letting you touch them to get it, the touching and everything else going on is a desired part of the experience

>>42277524
Then how do you account for unrequited love?

>>42277592
You flirt with people to make them horny. Actually hooking up is often secondary to that or not intended at all

>>42277594
>relating to exchange or interaction between people.
Yeah. Sex is an exchange. You are exchanging your pleasure for my pleasure.

>That's also not how most people think about sex.

It is, subconsciously, how people think about it. We just dont analyze how we think about it.
>ooga booga feel good
Is how most people think about it consciously. People dont analyze their thoughts much. Most people arent very intelligent though


>>42277613
Simple. They are hoping to receive something back. No one loves someone for no reason. They love someone so that person hopefully can feel the same way so they can fufill their desire of a human connection.

>>42277640
>to make them horny
Yeah to have sex with them eventually. Or so they can reciprocate can make you horny back. This is also transactional.

Anything you do to make someone feel good is transactional. People put their self interests first, everything else is secondary.

I think people forget, Love in the romantic sense, is purely biological.
It is a biological process to love because we want sex. And sex is a transaction between two people to make each other feel good

>>42277594
Feel like there is some sex-bias here as well
>no one wants your dick
Is a funny thing to say. I could say no one wants your tranny asshole, but we both know thats not true. How can that be though. What makes my dick different from your asshole? Is it perhaps because you are advertising yourself as having the desired product? making you the selector?
Why do you think we are called chasers? What are we chasing. We are chasing a desired product which is you. And we are hoping to see us as good enough mates to exchange our time and energy(through sex) so we both can be happy, which is again, a transaction

>>42277645
But your pleasure doesn't cost your partner anything, at least ideally. No one is losing anything, nothing is exchanged.
>We just dont analyze how we think about it.
I've thought about your analysis and its alien to how I experience sex. You're also a virgin though so I'm not surprised
>>42277667
>Yeah to have sex with them eventually
I flirt with people I don't ever want to have sex with all the time. Its just fun to do on its own. It's as transactional as any mutually enjoyable conversation
>People put their self interests first, everything else is secondary
That's a very unpleasant mindset that you will hopefully grow out of one day. I'm done with this thread now

>>42277759
You completely got the wrong meaning from my post. No one wants just your dick in isolation and is letting you fondle their titties in exchange for it. They want your dick, the fondling and probably everything else that's happening during sex to. There is no tradeoff being made. You're also very disrespectful for no reason

>>42277767
>No one is losing anything, nothing is exchanged.
Not true. You are exchanging pleasure. Your pleasure gives me pleasure and vice versa. At least it should be. I could RAPE you(I wont ever do that, but lets say that happens). What am I doing? I am ROBBING you. I am ROBBING you autonomy and consent. sex is a transaction. Rape is theft.


> >We just dont analyze how we think about it.
I've thought about your analysis and its alien to how I experience sex. You're also a virgin though so I'm not surprised

Something being “alien” to you isnt an argument though. It just means you havent thought about it that way.

>flirt with people I don't ever want to have sex with all the time. Its just fun to do on its own. It's as transactional as any mutually enjoyable conversation

So you flirt with people to make them happy. Which makes you happy. Its a transaction.

>People put their self interests first, everything else is secondary
That's a very unpleasant mindset that you will hopefully grow out of one day. I'm done with this thread now

Dont see how. Its just human nature. Humans are naturally self interested. Thats fine. Its how we survive.

>>42277799
>No one wants just your dick in isolation and is letting you fondle their titties in exchange for it.
Because sex is a transaction…I must provide pleasure in exchange. The pleasure is the sexual pleasure of you receiving my cock inside you… thats the trade

>>42275404
hey, just hire a hooker... it's alot less embarassing.

>>42277799
I am just trying to explain to a womanbrained individual how people actually process information. For some reason you think sex is just an altruistic thing and just about making people happy. If that was true, why do women have such standards for sex? Why am I much less likely to get it as a fat guy(im not fat but lets just say I was). Because its a transaction. Hookup apps, dating apps, these are markets. You(or your body rather) is a product, or the more valued commodity.

>>42277930
I am a person, you don't need to explain how people think to me because I am one. Just fuck hookers forever, I think you'll be happiest that way

Standards are just safeguards to make sure you receive whats owed to you. YOU may have a standard to not fuck a fat guy, because in your mind fat people are not owed your body. You will perhaps have sex with lets say a stereotypes Chad, because he makes you feel like he is owed your body.

>>42277904
I am OP. No idea where to find them where I live. Especially a tranny one

>>42277956
You are womanbrained. Which is fine. I dont mind that. I would still fuck you if that makes you feel better.
Men and women think differently. You are very aware of that.
>just fuck hookers
I can sure, but I know how normies think. I think I can just mimick any midwit normie’s personality(like yours) and receive sex from someone that way. Because sex is a transaction. :)

>>42277885
if it was just about pleasure i could get that just by jerking off. i don't need you for that. there's obviously something more to it than that

>>42278019
Theres nothing more than that.
The reason you choose sex over jerking off is because sex provides you more pleasure, or rather, fulfillment.

Speaking of sex you seem pent up nonny. Want some help? Im available

>>42277993
>I think I can just mimick any midwit normie’s personality(like yours) and receive sex from someone that way
If you could do that you wouldn't have needed to make this thread. Clearly something about your attitude to intimacy isn't working for you

>>42278055
Has nothing to do with my views. Everyone puts on a mask. Any Nazi dude can fuck a leftist girl for example by putting on the right masks. Its just a mask. You arent a mind reader and would never ever clock me as an “incel” in public. People like me have these views and could be your friend, your brother, your co workers, your ex, etc.
You have no ability to clock someone as having these hecking chud incel views. Unless I tell you in real life. Which we never will.

>>42278096
It's not your views, it's not your body since you say you're tall, not ugly and have a big dick. So what is it?

>>42278096
Like dude Im a genuinely nice guy who wears deltarune sweaters and has a family who loves me along with friends at my University. Im just a typical chill dude to anyone who has met me. You will never expose me as a “heckin hateful incel chud”. You dont know me. Or if you DO know me, you will never know my views. Im smart enough not to go on heckin blackpill rants in public.

>>42278142
Just natural introversion. You cant psycho analyze me. Anyone can be timid/introverted/shy. Says nothing about how much of a heckin incel they are

>>42278047
500 dollars for one stroke
in other words, no.

>>42278171
Maybe you're a bit timid because you have a fundamentally unpleasant view of people in general?

>>42278174
So there is something I can exchange that would allow you to let me hit? Ok so then Im not a totally unfuckable incel like you tried to portray. Thank you. Appreciate you for being honest.

>>42278203
i never said you were unfuckable i said there is something offputting about you that scares the hoes

>>42278174
Im going to also call you out for exaggerating desu. Assuming you are in a great financial situation you probably would let me for less. I would be willing to pay good money to lose my virginity if you gave me a reasonable price. We can talk this out. Would it really hurt you so much to let someone like me fuck once? Lol

>>42278195
Again nothing to do with my views. Im just realistic about people. In real life, I am meant to pretend that humanity is actually great and people are actually great and its just a few bad apples in society. Ok. I can pretend that to participate in the social ritual. Its no problem.

>>42278219
Literally just my introversion. Thats literally it. If I were raised another way maybe I would be more confident and have more bravado and easily fuck any girl I wanted. But i wasnt raised that way so Im having sex less. Which is fine. I can wait.

>>42278260
Arent in a great financial situation* minor correction
Anyway let me fuck you you fucking whore

>>42278260
$3,000 now
>Literally just my introversion
or maybe the fact that you think you can get whatever you want by paying for it
much to think about

>>42278388
Everyone has their price. Including you. Whore.

So tired of this
>HATEFUL CHUDS DONT GET SEX
Hitler got sex, Mussolini got sex, literally every right wing leader even in modern politics has gotten sex. Sex isnt hard to get. Especially when whores like you give away your body so easily. You wont have sex with me, the person you know from this thread, but you likely would have sex with me irl, an objectively good looking lean guy you meet offline who you would never have suspected of being the same anon as me. I can just put on any mask I want and get whatever I want. It is not a problem.

>>42278437
Then why haven't you been able to get anyone to have sex with you?

>>42275404
God no lmao
I don't think you should mask and try to imitate chad. Why should men make themselves generic trying to please tasteless basic bitch women? Try to find someone who loves you for who you are, or wants to fuck you for who you are I guess, since you seem to just care about sex. Because even if it's just sex, if the way you get it is through manipulation and playacting, you hurt yourself. You kill part of your soul every time. You can tell by PUAs.

>>42278469
I am able to get anything I want, the bodies of the people I am attracted to are not supermodels, clarified by people in this thread, they can be easily acquired through saying the right words. Its only a “do I want this badly enough” thing. If I want to go through the effort to talk to someone and have sex, I can. Not a problem at all. Thank you for your concern though.

I get paid soon. If you want to discuss a serious offer so I can lose my virginity status(you should feel special about taking my virginity desu. I am a very intelligent person) then drop your social. Just be fuckable is all, because I am totally fuckable.

>>42278522
>I am able to get anything I want
>hey guys i want to have sex with a tranny should i give her money? please help i am desperate
lol, lmao

>>42278493
I appreciate your reply. I am going to try some different methods on some different hookup apps. Trial and error. See what works. Thats the only way to become an efficient “sex haver” anyway.

>>42278546
Well yes. There is no contradiction. One method of getting sex requires more effort than the other. But I can fuck whoever whenever if I wanted. I mog you and likely most males you talked to, fucked, dated, etc. fucking isnt a challenge for me. Lmao.

>>42278588
Has a woman ever hit on you? You say you're in college, have friends and are normal so that should be happening to you regularly

>>42278718
Hello
I have been hit on before. Didnt pursue back. I do not like cis women much.

>>42277407
Bro if you unironically have a large penis you could most likely fish with dick pics on grindr for trannies that post bios that clearly state they’re looking to hookup or “big dick pics plz dm”. Idk how you’d be a sperg if you actually have a big cock man. Just don’t be sending that shit to any that aren’t advertising for hookups/“looking for dicks”.

>>42278437
Conflating the fact that literally everyone including cissoid men and women technically have a price they’d sell their body for, with trannies (or specifically trannies that do sex work) as all whores is some unintellectual incel shit my dude. Hold whatever whack ass echo chamber opinion you want, just don’t be delusional like Tater tots or trump sycophants.

>>42278931
Haha true. I should probably just do that. Dont know why I havent honestly. Thanks.

>>42279012
Fair critique. Thanks for the reply. I got unnecessarily heated. Apologies to tranny I called a whore. You probably have a very nice bussy and arent a whore.

>>42278437
Im tired of you lunatics infesting here the parasites you are fuck off

>>42279330
I am sorry. I made that post when I was upset. It does not reflect my entire belief system. I am not a parasite. I am a nice guy who wants sex.

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vox is so hot

Reading this thread was an interesting experience of reading an autistic incel's mind. It's very obvious why he is a virgin and why he will stay one unless he hires a sex worker. But it was interesting nonetheless

>>42280132
I can assure you the reason Im a virgin has nothing to do with your retarded pseudo intellectual psychoanalysis of me but I hope you feel smart jerking yourself off like that.

>>42280264
It absolutely is because you can't have it the other way than paying for it. I know you convinced yourself that is not the case but it clearly is

>>42278559
Well, I advise against that again. Being an efficient sex haver isn't something good at all. Idk why you want to be a whore desu.
>>42280285
He's right you know. Having a bad personality doesn't stop you from fucking. You're a good example surely, since you have a trip on 4chan.org?

>>42280313
Bad personality doesn't, but being autistic does

>>42280339
You'd have been right then if you didn't throw in "incel" randomly like the brainless tripwhore you are.
Since I have you here though, being a histrionic, attention seeking cunt... in contrast to autism, that usually helps in you fucking, right?

Man I hate how you can't be trans without being left wing, between turbo commie retard troons and the chuds they created, I wish so many people would just kill themselves so the rest of us could get on with living

>>42280403
I am OP. I am not a Chud but I am an ex-communist. Part of the reason being seeing how awful humanity is and how futile it is to believe enough people are capable of developing “consciousness”. Most people are cattle. This thread is a good example

>>42280403
>Man I hate how you can't be trans without being left wing
yeah it sucks how the right is still captured by regressive social conservative christcuckoldry and radical feminist trannyhaters

I think I am going to stop arguing with trannies. I am arguing with someone who literally lets men cum inside their asshole. You are a fucking sex toy. Why the fuck am I arguing with you

>>42280452
please say this to me while slapping me in the face

>>42276564
way more places where prostitution is legal than weed. america just has it illegal so they can incarcerate white trannies as much as black men

>>42280461
Why are you horny. I am literally insulting you. I am degrading you as a human being you retarded slut.


>>42280478
I agree with this anon

>>42280381
Most likely, yes, since there is no shortage of men wanting to. But I don't do that, hook ups are absolutely off the table for me. The only thing that matters for me is genuine and deep d/s bond like the one I have now, no vanilla relationship from before comes close to that

>>42280452
Treating trannies and women like objects ain’t helping your defence against being an incel. Tripfag can be an annoying cunt without having to denigrate the entire community bro. Few of your posts border on sociopathic tendencies or just ignorance out of immature expressions of frustration. If you’re better than that then be better.

>>42280574
>I am degrading you as a human being you retarded slut.
I'm sorry sir I'm not a human being
I'm just your property sir
I'm a retarded slut I deserve this

>>42280582
I am just being honest it is very fun to degrade trannies. Also most of them literally enjoy it such as the one in this thread.
I am not trying to actually dehumanize people and I am not a sociopath but when in your life you are treated badly it doesn't give you good reason to be what’s considered a “good person” and in my life when I was a “good person” I have only suffered for it.

I need a tranny to take my frustration out on desu. It would improve my mental health better than any therapist.

>>42280582
Also I am sorry if I come across hateful. Not hateful just tired. And not transphobic. I would consider myself ally. I probably will date trans people again. But my mental health is just shot from a combination of bad events combined with a recent one ghosting me. I dont know. I should meditate.

>>42280584
wtf are you doing this guy is a fagtard
i understand the humiliation/degradation kink but you can do so much better

I'm like OP except i have 0 expectations and dont feel privileged in the slightest. I just assume that physical attraction is a prerequisite for love and i've been dealt a pretty shitty hand so i will never be loved. I wouldn't want to fuck a woman who'd disgust me either. No one is really at fault but i will never be happy nontheless. I know you can have "some" success if you put your chin up and try to remain kind in spite of being a hobgoblin etc but i just dont have it in me. I'm fueled by spite and bound by ethics which is why i dont throw blame around.
I should've died at childbirth. It would've been a tragedy but at least a rather compact one. As is, this is just going to linger on for the next fifty years. Eh.

I'll add that paying for sex is a humiliation ritual.

>>42280676
it's fun idc

>>42280676
Im not a fag dont call me that. I am a strict top chaser. Not retarded also. STEM major. Stellar GPA. Internships lined up. I will be prime chaser-husband material soon

>>42280709
Why even chase at that point.
>Biowomen are retarded.
Just date a poor one so she'll never leave you for being a provider and then you can just be as much of an asshole as you want consensually and basically just bark orders.

>>42280724
Eh you make a good point. I think I always will like trannies though, its just a thing I have for them. I dont know, we’ll see.

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>>42275404
>Hello, how are you today? Would you be interested in providing me sex in exchange for a financial reward

>>42280724
>Just date a poor one so she'll never leave you for being a provider and then you can just be as much of an asshole as you want consensually and basically just bark orders.
Never marry, though. She'll divorce you and take half your stuff and future income.

In hindsight I think i definitely sperged out in this thread sorry lol. I probably should just try to get a tranny fwb when I go back to college. Shouldnt be too hard

this thread is hilarious. so many people have been calling themselves autists that it seems like no one even remotely expected OP to behave in a way that's genuinely autistic

>>42280709
stem majors are the most retarded people on earth, and it's not even remotely close

>>42280635
>but when in your life you are treated badly it doesn't give you good reason to be what’s considered a “good person” and in my life when I was a “good person” I have only suffered for it.
bro this is “nice guy” meme shit 101. World doesn’t operate on this flawed level. Life ain’t easy on all of us and the system sure as fuck exploits infighting like a motherfucker. That doesn’t mean we gotta relinquish our humanity or our goals to be the best version of ourselves. When life wanna shit on us one day, we look forward to the next day making another’s life just a bit better. That’s what it’s like to be human: overcoming obvious unfair shit in life and rising above animalistic tendencies. You can do better than that shit, and you can definitely find yo girl that matches your freak. You just gotta be your real unapologetic self, and cut out that hate shit.
>>42280669
You got a good heart bro, and whether you searching for some tail or some love, you’ll find it bro I promise, just don’t compromise on your values.

>>42275404
I mean it's hard to be the biggest creep on Grindr in your local area, real hard, but you seem to be doing it well anon. Congrats on your new status as biggest D bag on an app filled with shitheads.

>>42275404
Human Vox is so fucking hot, something about demon twinks turn me on.