>be me, mtf who is stealth in most aspects of my life>Starting out as an early career therapist >Care a lot about the mental health and well-being of my community> dedicate myself to mostly seeing other trans women>Bc of this I state on my marketing profiles that I'm trans>Have a nice set of clients that I see and pretty happy with the work im doing>Holidays are so over and as a result I get a flood of people wanting therapy>Like 1/3rd have been boomer sissies and when we have a consultation call they use it as a time to tell me all about their fetishes over the phone in a creepy way> Im completely professional/clinical and don't let on that im uncomfy>Not opposed to seeing this population for actual therapy bc I think everyone deserves it but they never actually follow up to get therapy >Getting calls from men basically telling me they're masturbating to my profileWhy do they have to ruin everything? It's seriously making me reconsider disclosing in my profile but there's almost no trans women who are therapists and I want trans girls to be able to find me. Also ask a tttt therapist anything I guess
>>42287319total sissy death
>>42287319Do you actually believe in ago/HSTs? What's the grossest thing you've heard from a sissy? Do any ever follow up and become normal trannies?
>>42287319have you had any boomer sissy clients that did regularly visit you for sessions? if so, what were they like during actual conversations?
>>42287319>Also ask a tttt therapist anything I guessAre you a retarded therapist or like one of the real ones who understands that suicide is a viable alternative to this hellish existence for some trannies
>stealth turbo passer here
>>42287458>cherry picks example
>>42287319What can you do as a trans therapist? You cannot tell anything new to normal, well-functioning trannies and the hopeless, low-functioning ones will fuck up their lives regardless of what you tell them. Seems pointless. Serious question.
>>42287477>cherry picks example
>>42287319Larp but anyway you should develop broken bird syndrome and take care of me as a dumb tranny
>>42287458>>42287477>>42287543You are both faggots that cherry pick but mostly the seething chud honposter
>>42287319id love to have a tttt therapist lol. that's so cool. i think as a tttt girl though maybe i'd have a hard time with you as my therapist because if i knew i was like you id constantly be asking you if you thought i was clocky or how well my voice passes or if xyz is malebrained or such and such and just. it would be really funny but i think i would exhaust you
>>42287564>You are both faggots that cherry pick but mostly the seething chud honposter
>>42287600Did you feel pretty in those?
>>42287622>Did you feel pretty in those?
>>42287600Lmao the Colonel Williams pics fuckin broke me.
>>42287564just highlighting their hypocrisy
>>42287633I'm very proud of you anon
>>42287649They don't care anon he does this everyday
>>42287673Oh i’m aware of that, these posts aren’t for them but for lurkers that get desensitized and subtly fall for the “trannies never pass” meme.
>>42287693That guy is wearing fake rubber boobs sir.
I need a therapist to hypontize and sissify me Fr fr no cap
>this lesbian has a penis deal with it chud
>>42287773sounds like cope chud
>>42287872How can you not know what filters are? You're posting pictures that are so filtered to death that I have no idea what these people actually look like.
>>42287889them along with almost every modern woman anon, this isnt some own
>>42287431>go to person whose job it is to make life manageable>ueeeeeh why dont you affirm my supposition that life isnt manageablenot very bright, are we
>>42287773the hand on the right... brutal..
>>42288203>every modern womanlol
>>42288646>t. never been on social media
>>42287319Had this convo with my therapist a while ago, am I trans or just ego distracted my self from my father so much that I do not want to be a man what do u think therapist anon
This is why I will never talk to a therapist, you're supposed to be able to say whatever's on your mind so you can figure out why your brain is broken but they just collect it and laugh about you behind your back and complain that you're a freak and a psychoTherapy is basically expensive astrology anyway, I don't know why normies talk it up like it's such a good thing
Those are chasers hon, sissies hit different.
>>42288734are you esl or are you retarded?
>>42287319>therapist>4chan>calling patients sissiesPsychology for love, right?
>>42287693these are rare too though, and im a wasian into men so trooning is my birthright even if god decided i needed to have terminator body
>>42289356>42289356the latter
>>42288827>no brawhy is this so commonit's pretty commonly known that women wear bras and the lady in the picture seems to have plenty of women's clothes
>>42287578she's just a personal friend but i know another tttt therapist...maybe there's a lot of them
>>42287633mogs me
>>42287361No, I don't believe in it. I think there are people who have a fetish and don't transition and that may be "ago" but I think Blanchard is retarded. Didn't he like show a picture of himself shirtless to girls and if they didn't find him attractive they were agp?>>42287422No, they never actually visit me for sessions. I've seen younger girls who have talked a bit fetishy with me but it's just something I let roll off of me>>42287458Believe what you want, hon>>42287531Trannies have problems other than being trannies. I also tend to help the new girls with brain worms and do case management to help them get their surgeries. We often look at the intersection of self-image, dysphoria, and depression. >>42287561Not larp, I'm licensed
>>42288734Therapy is just religion for retards huh
>>42287578I care about my clients but I'm also getting paid/am more objective than I would be with a frien so it doesn't exhaust me as much. I'd never tell you if you were "clocky" wed just examine why you're concerned with it and how to cope with discrimination if you are experiencing it. >>42287785I had a very mentally ill transmasc guy masturbate to me once on a telehealth call while I was an intern, so I won't be sissifying you Ayden>>42288734If you're that worried about it and intellectualizing it to this degree I'd probably say you're trans but no therapist will ever tell you this, at least they shouldn't. I agree, work on attachment>>42288803If these were my clients it would be different. These are people who are using their access to me/my profession to get off. I have sympathy for people who are sissies and think it comes from a place of repression>>42289375They're not my clients. If they actually wanted to work on stuff they would be. They're just getting phone sex from me at this point. I care for my clients and have seen many for free
>>42289927>I had a very mentally ill transmasc guy masturbate to me once on a telehealth callwhy does this make so much sense>I have sympathy for people who are sissies and think it comes from a place of repressioni agree
>>42287319how tall are you
Hi, I'm sorry if this comes off as overly inquisition, I'm very curious about your work and I have some questions.Do you hide your power level at work?How do you coach people on brainworms?How do you use 4chan without becoming brainwormes yourself?Do you have any edgy psychology opinions or theories?Have you worked with PDs before, or what's your area of specialty?Do you have a practice speciality like mindfulness or psychoanalysis?I'm mtf and thinking about becoming a certified hypnotherapist after trying hypnosis out and realizing I was decent at it and convinced my friend to quit smoking. I know it's a meme but I feel like it can be a decent source of income when I'm poor. I have a special interest in psychology but I know my understanding is really spotty and based on autistic special interest rather than med school. This doesn't stop me from being rude towards psychs sometimes, however.
>>42289905>Trannies have problems other than being trannies. I also tend to help the new girls with brain worms and do case management to help them get their surgeries. We often look at the intersection of self-image, dysphoria, and depression.Surely you realize you solely function as a gatekeeper? Everybody lies to you, nobody listens to you, you are simply a means to an end for desired HRT and surgery. Why would anybody tell you they are depressed? It will only delay treatment. You are just playing a silly game that nobody really wants to play. You are deluding yourself into feeling important, but in reality you are not. Nobody cares about stupid gatekeepers. And do you not have any afab patients?> I have sympathy for people who are sissies and think it comes from a place of repressionPersonally I think it is strongly related to humiliation kink (extremely common) and boomer sexism/misogyny. No idea how sissy experience can be seen as "dysphoria".
>>422902075'8", my cisgender sister is taller than me>>42290312>Do you hide your power level at work? No, if someone ever asked me if I was on tttt I'd tell them I used to be, which is true bc I only come back here to post stuff like this rarely.>How do you coach people on brainworms? Usually helping people realize that they don't see themselves how others do, and also just examining the roots of these feelings. It's complicated and different with every girl even though the content of the brain worms are often similar>How do you use 4chan without becoming brainwormes yourself? I used to be brainwormed when I first started using it, but passing, living real life, and having good therapy myself helped. I sometimes fall back into it when I'm particularly depressed>Do you have any edgy psychology opinions or theories? Nothing edgy, but I really love existential psychotherapy. I think the fear of death is very power and behind a lot of conditions and there's not a whole lot of research surrounding it. >Have you worked with PDs before, or what's your area of specialty? Im a clinical social worker, but I consider myself a relational therapist. I refer people to psychiatrists who I know are trans friendly sometimes.>Do you have a practice speciality like mindfulness or psychoanalysis? I do a bit of mindfulness and somatic experiencing with my clients who experience a lot of overwhelm. My specialty is being a "relational therapist" meaning I think the therapeutic relationship is the primary healing factor in therapy, on top of that I do basic CBT but I think modalities can kind of be bullshit. There's no progress without a good therapeutic relationship
>>42290393You sound like Schizoid personality disorder. I agree historically therapists are gatekeepers, which is why I got into the field as a trans woman. write letters for free for people who I only have one session with, which is perfectly legal. If someone wants surgery and also wants to see me, the first thing I do is make sure they have the letter and then they can choose to keep seeing me if they want to. I'd write a letter for anyone, save for those who have an actual circumstance/condition where they wouldn't be able to safely recover from surgery. If that did happen I would feel horrible and work with them to do case management where that wouldnt be the case and I could ethically write the letterI do have afab clients as well. Trans men, cis women, enby people.
>>42290444>5'8", my cisgender sister is taller than mewell how fucking tall is she then? also how tall are your parents? also did u shrink oh hrt? also how old were u when u got hrt. please answer all of my questions i genuinely want to know
>>42290500Shes 5'9. Both my parents and most of my family is between 5'7-5'9. Idk if I shrank or not
>>42290525do you still remember ur measurments?
>>42290500I was 21 when I got HRT. I'm stealth enough that my bfs parents don't know. I won't say I'm like "unlockable" bc idk what that means but y'all here are like 1 year HRT and like "I don't pass yet which means nobody passes" it's not true
>>42287319>Trans the rapistSolid rap name DESU
>>42290444Nice trips.Dang are you saying that you stopped being brainwormes when you stopped going on 4chan? I feel more comfortable in this community than anywhere else but I know the social background radiation is not good for me. I wish there was a way to browse without getting screen damaged from it.>It's complicated and different with every girl even though the brain worms are often similarmakes a lot of senseThank you for sharing your responses!
>>42287319I feel like I tend to blame more of my total unhappiness in life on being trans than is actually reasonable. like using it as a scapegoat to avoid addressing other stuff making me unhappy, but im not sure. do you have any advice on how to parse out what sadness/suicidality is actually from dysphoria vs other life stuff?
>>42288252No I mean like in private, do you acknowledge suicide can be a rational act someone can commit to or do you like view it as an absolute hard line? I'm not saying what would you tell your clients obv you're not gonna like go "oh hey boomer sissy yeah you should kys instead lol"You said I could asking anything so I did
>>42291391Op here, this wasn’t me responding to you. I’m kinda drunk now so sorry if this isn’t super coherent:To answer your question, I think it’s a complicated answer. I support medically assisted suicide for cases where people are extremely sick and going to suffer indignity in dying, but at the risk of sounding cliche I also think that death is a permanent solution to a potentially temporary problem. It gets into more philosophical territory rather than psychological. My job as a therapist is to keep you here as long as I can to help you in the ways that I can. If any one of my clients died I would be very distraught and shaken. I’m assuming that you’re suicidal rn anon and I was too at one point in my life. I still struggle with it every once in a while. I think that it might be worth it for you to find someone you can share these feelings with IRL. Most therapists aren’t going to grippy sock you if you just talk about being suicidal. I think you owe it to yourself to try something new and explore new ways of caring for yourself. That could be making new friends, having new experiences, getting on a medication that helps you, ect. Death is always there regardless of what we do
What do you say to brainwormed passoids, and how does it differ from what you say to self-aware hons?
>>42290857This is so real, I can definitely relate. I think that it can be easy to make your transness the root of everyproblem in your life, and while I think it can be the root of some things it does obfuscate other problems you could be having. I think, however, that you have to come to terms with your transness and be ok with yourself in that way before you can move on to the other aspects of your life. Your transness is a fundamental part of yourself that you could be denying, fighting, or ashamed of in some way. Once you fully accept that it’s ok to be a trans woman (I assume), that’s when you’ll be able to work on the other aspects of yourself.
>>42289927I think you need to stand up for yourself. If they're being annoying or trying to get a pornographic call, you can very well say no without disrupting your original clientele. I don't doubt that you respect and want the best for your patients, but perhaps there's a better way to deal with harassment
>>42292396I’ve not really had these conversations before. I’ve had clients who were deep stealth and never get clocked but still hated themselves for being trans. Usually I just help them accept that being a trans woman is a fundamentally ok thing to be. What I’ve learned is that brainworms persist regardless of how well most girls pass. Regardless of if you pass or not, we’re all still trans and if we don’t see that as an ok thing to be we will never be happy.
>>42292284Actually sweet response though pretty along the lines of what I expectedI appreciate the thoughtfulness though, honestly
>>42292475have u ever had to deal with someone who thought they could or did pass but absolutely didnt? a delulu hon? also what would u say the ratio is to hons/passoids in ur customers
>>42292553>customersim reading this thread and i actually gagged when i read this. americans really have removed all dignity from the healthcare field>>42287319have you ever had a client who used the board?have you ever had a client who you couldn’t help? my last therapist was also a clinical social worker who considered themselves a relational therapist, but they specialised in psychoanalysis. after 3 sessions which mostly involved me crying a lot while answering questions and them trying to get me to speak without asking questions, and a lot of silences which seemed to make them more uncomfortable than me, they told me they didn’t think they could help megenerally how functional are your clients?
>>42292741>im reading this thread and i actually gagged when i read this. americans really have removed all dignity from the healthcare fieldIM SORRY. i couldnt think of a word so i just said customer. patients? yeah patients is the word. sorry.
>>42287319I’m sorry to hear that op that’s really depressing honestly. No one deserves to be treated like this for trying to help their community.
>>42292475How would you help someone not hate himself for being trans? What does that look like in more detail?t. stealth pooner who never learnt how to not throw up when saying the word trans
You should definitely keep helping trans people by putting it out there, if I was looking for a therapist I think seeing they are trans would make me want to try them. Hopefully getting harassed is just a temporary thing or you can just block people who are wasting your time?
>>42287319How long did it take you to become stealth? And have you had any surgeries or anything?
>>42287319psyd here. Welcome to the suck. Reminder, you MUST shut down sexually inappropriate behavior, particularly towards you or anyone on staff. You can expect to be accused of sexual misconduct, regardless of what you do, particularly in sue happy America. This is not exclusive to your trans status or gender.You also should expect and prepare for full on stalker behavior, possibly from clients, from chasers, from the random men. This is also not exclusive to you trans status or gender.> Im completely professional/clinical and don't let on that im uncomfyKeeping clinical is good. But also remember need advice/modeling/warning of consequences for inappropriate behavior in public. Good luck. You'll need it. >>42287361> What's the grossest thing you've heard from a sissy?Covered by confidentiality. Go ask them directly if you care. Some people will absolutely tell you more than you ever want.> Do any ever follow up and become normal trannies?Some people are exploring their new boundaries, and under a bunch of changing hormones. Some people end up in jail. Statistically speaking of course.>>42287431I am legally required to behave retarded. > suicide is a viableLook up the root of "viable". >>42288734It would be completely irresponsible to do any diagnosis, or make any claims about your trans status. And framing that as an "or" question makes no sense to me in the first place. Is your "transness" really linked to your father? If he were gone, or 500 miles away,, would it matter? That's rhetorical. I won't follow up on it. I do concur with your therapist and anon that examining attachment is a good idea.
>>42292553Never seen this in therapy. Usually it’s the complete opposite. Brainwormed passoids and borderline passoids or early-hrt girls who don’t think they’re ever going to make it bc they’re 6 months on HRT and boymoding. IRL I’ve met girls who think they pass more than they do but I don’t tend to talk about it bc it makes me worry I come off bad talking about being stealth in some aspects of life
>>42292741I call them participants or clients depending on how woke I’m feeling. I’ve had clients who told me they went on this board “a few times” when I directly asked them bc of the brainworm terminology they use. The brainworms from here though have escaped to Reddit and discord though so it’s hard to tell. Only clients I have a hard time helping are super avoidant, repressive types who don’t have a lot to talk about in therapy. I feel compelled to fill the space bc silence is hard for me, but it’s been something I’ve been working on in my own supervision
>>42290312Differentanon than OP.>Do you hide your power level at work?I am legally required to.>How do you coach people on brainworms?Brainworms isn't really specific enough, but it's usually some maladaptive thinking, plus obsession.First line is usually cognitive behavioral therapy. Sometimes treatments for OCD. In severe cases,, medication. There's multiple approaches though.>How do you use 4chan without becoming brainwormes yourself?Never been a problem.>Do you have any edgy psychology opinions or theories?What is edgy anymore with modern reality TV? >Do you have a practice speciality like mindfulness or psychoanalysis?I'm not a frontline clinician. I have the ability to write RX, so I'm overloaded with work. >I'm mtf and thinking about becoming a certified hypnotherapist Understand exactly what the certification you're thinking about means, which varies state by state. There is no equivalent of the American Medical Association or the Bar. In order to have your treatment covered by insurance, you generally need an advanced psy degree, and whatever your state requires for counseling.See APA division 30 for the current state of the art. Go look at what job listings exist and what they require.>>42290393Is this copypasta? Maybe it should be.>>42292396Too vague for a good answer, but the difference between the two groups is the reaction of others. Eliminate that, and what's left?>>42292553The idea of "passing" as a binary really isn't a good idea.>>42292741>americans really have removed all dignity from the healthcare fieldIf you only knew how bad it is. And it's not just america now.>>42292741>have you ever had a client who you couldn’t help?That happens constantly. There's a huge range of techinques, specialties, and personalities. Finding someone who fits your needs is very important, and has nothing to do with you as a person. You absolutely should switch.
>>42293304It really is affirmations and just exposing yourself to talking about it in a safe environment like therapy. Reading about it can be helpful too. It’s really hard to feel good about it during this time of political hyper visibility but that doesn’t change the fundamental reality that it’s just a variation in being human>>42293375Thanks anon this is encouraging >>42293566Kinda feel pressure to engage with these people/this behavior too bc I’m working for a practice and need to keep a certain caseload. It does suck though. I see trans teenagers too and I’m constantly worried someone is gonna make some Facebook post about me and get me on Fox News bc some teenager asks me a normal puberty question of how hormones will impact their body.
>>42293463Probably 2 years HRT + FFS before I consistently passed. 3 years hrt now and “stealth” in certain domains of my life. Like I said it’s in my bio on therapy websites so anyone who searches my name would know.
>>42287319Im recently coming to the realization im almost certainly schizotypal. It’s gotten to the point where people in my life have even asked me if I am lmao. And when I look at the symptoms they seem like they match what I experience pretty closely. Some symptoms are even the exact issues I’ve gone to therapy for in the past with little success. So if I were schizotypal and received treatment what does that entail? Would a successful treatment allow me more motivation in work and help my social skills? And what should I look for in a therapist if I want to explore this?thank you in advance if you had the time to respond.
What's the most common comorbity you see in trans patients - maybe aside from depression?What kind of reasons / patients do you not immediately write letters for (and how do you know in a short time)?Was there a therapeutically valuable talk about fetishes with a patient as well? (I feel like I need this given how my kinks eat at my self-worth)
>>42293807First of all I think it’s great that you’re considering therapy. People with that diagnosis usually do not trust doctors/therapists enough to ever seek help. I don’t have a super lot of experience with this as an early therapist, maybe the PsyD here could also respond. I think that your treatment would be probably be a lot of CBT, exploration of relationship patterns, social skills roleplay, ect. I think for that particular Diagnosis given the mistrust element I would look for therapists who are again relational and those who you feel like you can trust with your emotions, rather than who seems the most qualified. You feeing safe in sessions will keep you coming back, which is hard with that particular diagnosis>>42293841In terms of overall personality, and it’s not necessarily a diagnosis, but avoidance is a major one. It goes along with depression though. Also, I’ve seen a lot of cases of clients claiming DID and BPD.I dont write letters for those who are like homeless or imminently housing insecure. I work with them to find housing first. Also those with unmedicated schizophrenia + heavy substance use issues is another combo. I’ve only ever had to refuse one person a letter and it wasn’t really my decision but the decision of my supervisor at the time. I absolutely will talk about kinks with my clients and how they serve them as coping strategies. My post was more about people taking advantage/sexually harassing me through these consultation calls. I would absolutely never shame a client for any kink, unless it was directly harming someone else or involved the endangerment of a vulnerable individual
>>42293805When did you start HRT?
>>42287319Do you have any recommendations for someone early in transition who fits the avoidant personality type, and doesn't have much to talk about? And / or who also doesn't respect her own emotions and needs because their whole self worth is dependant on performance / achivement, and is generally unable to relate to most people emotionally?>t. 3 months HRT mtf who during early teenage years learned to "punch back" verbally, is now emotionally shut in, always keen on appearing invulnerable, and feels like she has lost her soul
>>42293754Thank you for your response as well, and for the resource recommendation.I think by "edgy" I meant something along the lines of deviating with convention in terms of diagnostic orthodoxy. For instance I had an old pediatrician when I was a kid who was very anti med, and believed that anxiety and depression were linked in such a way that it made sense to prescribe anxiolytics for some depression cases or vice versa. I know there's also lots of talk about autism in terms of functioning spectrum and how high/low functioning is considered outdated. Another thing that interests me is the amount of changes that have been made to the ICD that especially lead to the ICD-11 replacing all personality disorders with the singular Personality Disorder that has aspects like borderline, dissocial, etc. I guess I was wondering about anything like that
>>42293958>People with that diagnosis usually do not trust doctors/therapists enough to ever seek helptruthfully if my family wasn’t constantly suggesting therapy I probably never would have gone in the past. And when I went I would often lie during sessions because I thought the therapist was trying to brainwash me into loving myself lol. It felt very scary to go to therapy too, like I was risking my identity and an accurate perception of reality. I still feel that way honestly. But from the times I went I gathered a lot of really useful skills and I think it helped me a lot. I’m still scared but I think I might actually be able to do therapy without sabotaging myself but we shall see. Thank you again for the advice I deeply appreciate it
good thread op. Nothing more to add
what kind of ffs did u get
>>42293765>exposing yourself to talking about it in a safe environment like therapyI'm stealth to my therapist as well. It feels like if I tell her (or anybody at all in general) then she'll automatically see me as a gigawoman. I've touched on hating being gay and even that felt like torture even though she acted professionally. I have felt more comfortable discussing homicidal thoughts than this. Wtf do I do if it's that bad
To any shrinks in this thread, how legit are most enbies? Does the theyfab or tranny cope memes hold any sway?>>42293375>if I was looking for a therapist I think seeing they are trans would make me want to try them.I usually try to avoid them out of fear of getting yass queened or you're-so-valid. I wonder how common that truly is?>>42293658>Only clients I have a hard time helping are super avoidant, repressive types who don’t have a lot to talk about in therapy.Ha, I'm like this too. I don't get a lot out of therapy; I end up just sitting there staring into space in disagreements while my counselor tries fruitlessly to engage me.
>>42287319Therapist is a meme profession. Nona should consider becoming a psychiatrist that do blood work for DIYers and prescribe folks with HRT. Remember Nona, only those who have the will to start HRT are the REAL trans people.
>>42287319That's your brain rotted people.
>>42294813Therapy has helped countless patients turn their lives around and is a secondary form of treatment (along meds) when helping suicidal patients. Just because a lot of anti-therapist types actively refuse to participate treatment, or just get a bad match with a therapist, doesn’t dictate the efficacy of therapy as a discipline.
How many are straight vs lesbian
>>42293566>I am legally required to behave retarded.Yeah but I don't actually care whatever you do in your practice, I already know you'd never affirm a patients desire to commit suicideI just mean on a personal level. I think therapists are interesting and find the inherent moral aversion to suicide as an inherently "wrong" act really fascinating
>>42295256i think if you sat down with God and Jeremy Bentham and got out your utilitarian calculator, from a utilitarian perspective, killing yourself is morally incorrect for 90% of people who want to kill themselves. like they’d experience more happiness than suffering they’d avoid, even though they would think the opposite. i think it’s easier to notice this when you spend more time helping people not die. so suicide isn’t inherently wrong but it’s wrong most of the time and pretty often those positions’ll seem similarNTA
>>42295759I don't know about all that anon, I feel like killing myself would do a lot of people a favor.
>>42295759I appreciate the perspective, and also the willingness to acknowledge that some small chunk of people really do live lives that feature more suffering than anythingMakes the rest of your perspective feel more earnest tbhon
>>42295800it’s true. but the unfortunate thing is that the correlation between how badly someone wants to kill themselves and whether or not their life would actually be too painful to live is really really weak, possibly even negative. most people who try to kill themselves are wrong in trying to do so and often regret it if they fail, and most people who are destined to suffering barely have time to think to or try to kill themselves, or in fact killing themselves would be very hard (e.g. prison, sex trafficking, slavery)>>42295768can you informally describe why you think your life would consist of more suffering than pleasure, and why your suicide would cause a level of suffering less than that differencekeep in mind most people’s lives consist of a lot more pleasure than suffering, so you should show why you’re not like themif you don’t want to you can just say “i don’t believe in the validity of utilitarianism” and i’ll leave you alone
>>42295872I'm a hon never-passer with absolutely nothing going for her
>>42287319Maybe point out to them that a ts camwhore would be cheaper?
>>42295879should all ugly masculine women with “nothing going for them” kill themselves?i have known such women who lived pretty happy lived and i think it would be a shame had they killed themselves
>>42295892That's for you to decide, I'm saying I think it would be better for ME to kill myself.
>>42295901>i’m poor and my life is hard so i should be allowed to mug one or two people a year so i can afford to not get evicted>>should other poor people be allowed to mug people?>i’m saying it would be be better for ME to mug people
>>42295923Isn't that a false equivalency?
>>42295928if you’re saying “i should kill myself because of these reasons” you’re fundamentally saying other people for whom those reasons apply should also kill themselves
>>42295957What? I guess? Idk you're confusing me
>>42295971i think you could understand it if you tried. the point is, either you should kill yourself but for a different reason than the one you gave, or you shouldn’t kill yourself
>>42293566all of you scum should be in prison or dead. you are probably personally responsible for more misery oppression and death than anyone you know that isnt one of your "colleagues" though frankly the word is too nice for such a miserable group of child abusers rapists and scam artists. fascist piece of shit i hope one day your patients get payback for what youve done and had done to them.
>>42294970you fucks are basically cops. shut the fuck up you sanctimonious brain rapist.
>>42297002>>42296958jesus why r u so pissed about this… whats ur beef?
>>42295872>it’s true. but the unfortunate thing is that the correlation between how badly someone wants to kill themselves and whether or not their life would actually be too painful to live is really really weak, possibly even negative. most people who try to kill themselves are wrong in trying to do so and often regret it if they fail, and most people who are destined to suffering barely have time to think to or try to kill themselves, or in fact killing themselves would be very hard (e.g. prison, sex trafficking, slavery)this leaves out the most common scenario where someone's life is unbearably bad to the point suicide is reasonable but being prevented: mental hospitals. In fact I think thats probably what gave you that idea and that you consciously omitted it as an example. Really in fact almost every situation of persistent long term torture where suicide is being prevented by the tormentors is backed by and backs psychology as an institution. In prison, in armies, in hospitals
>>4229398622>>42294407One of the Top California surgeons>>42296958>>42297002I’m sorry you feel like this anon. I would also look into the schizotypal personality disorder for yourself. You don’t have to go to therapy but reading about it might help you. There are of course bad therapists, but some do just want to help you.
>>42297020therapists wreck lives, especially the lives of children and no one cares because its so hard to prove because psych is such garbage scicence. Every era in psych is marked by worse cruelty than your average serial killer, distributed efficiently across the country to the most vulnerable then forgotten about. they mutilate and torture people then just wash their hands, say whoopsy and find a new way to do it that theyll disavow in ten years. thats fine for them though because their actual job is mainenance of power structures. tldr therapists are sanctimonious cops who hurt people then lie about it as a profession
>>42297088>I'm so sorry you dont like my profession anon but did you know we have a word for people like u???rot in hell you sinecured piece of dog waste.
>>42297087oh i did think of that. but i’ve been in a mental hospital and i didn’t meet anyone who i think would’ve been better off dead.im sure there are some but i’ve never actually heard of it. honestly, i’m not sure how it is for others, but for me it wasn’t that hard to get out; one guy who was in with me killed himself 2 days after leaving.i don’t know why you think it’s what gave me the idea
>>42297002I’m the comment you’re responding to and I’m not a licensed therapist/psych etc. but even I can interpret your responses as irrational and emotionally charged. Generalizing the entire profession and all those who enter it as uniformly abusive without relying on just anecdotal or personal grievances, immediately puts your allegations into question.Again; you can have awful experiences with some genuinely awful people who represent the department, but your experience is not universal, and lashing out the way you are in the comments prevents you from having a level head in this discussion.
>>42297168i think that life in a hospital is worse than death in many ways
>>42297176its institutional, like cops killing people and dogs for no reason is. There are problems with the institution that ultimately flow from a history accepting bad/fraudulent science and an acceptance of that. Also like cops the institution of psychology misrepresents itself as a public good while mostly working to hurt the weak and help the powerful. This dual loyalty is a major source of its trouble doing actual science because any evidence that supports empowering the wrong group or disagreeing with the wrong group gets shit canned. They literally falsified ssri metastudies for decades by selectively (aha) including them when they randomly showed an effect. there was a huge study posted about it in Nature a few years ago. its one of the most widely know frauds in science.
>>42297309twin… no one there was there for life… it was a mental health ward not arkham asylum… do we even do stuff like that anymore?and do you really think bubble boy shouldve just killed himself
>>42297391respectively: there are many situations where people are kept in mental hospitals forever and forgotten aboutas for bubble boy, he wasnt a mental patient and they are treated incredibly badly. I think if you are in a bad hospital, for an indefininte period of time, in our current system being treated for misdiagnosed diseases with crippling drugs that destroy your body mind and dignity then suicide is probably the most reasonable option yes. I think most people who have seen those circumstances from the position of anything but the one profiting from it would agree.
>>42297382Legit when I was on SSRIs I barely noticed a change. I felt a bit more numbed emotionally and could do 1 more chore but I still wanted to kill myself daily and all that. Then it left me with sexual dysfunction that hasn't gone away even after 2 years of zero SSRIs. Antipsychotics lobotomized me. It literally eats away at your gray matter not even joking. All of this was supposed to 'help' me
>>42297382Personally hard pressed to call it analogous to American police force. The pursuit of scientific understanding is constantly growing, testing and yes at times learning/correcting from both mistakes and bad actors that have poisoned the data. You’re essentially making the claim that the incredible breakthroughs in the field of psychology involving the treatment of life disruptive disorders such as schizophrenia, domestic abuse, PTSD, anxiety, ADHD, depression, rage etc. are all better off left untreated out of the fear of someone in a position of power potentially abusing their authority in the field.Again, I’m not discrediting the existence of situations where a malicious body of the profession takes advantage either for profit or personal sick pleasure. I’ve personally been institutionalized and dealt with a horrifically awful psychiatrist seemingly seeking to keep me there longer than I’d prefer. But there were also psychiatrists that were empathetic to my plight, worked alongside me, and helped treat a lot of illnesses that plagued me mentally (even helped discharge me from that highly questionable doctor). And I can separate from a clearly awful character from the rest of an honest group of people seeking to do their best in helping treat people that are mentally struggling through life.>>42297441>many situations where people are kept in mental hospitals forever and forgotten aboutData that should be thoroughly investigated on the who and why. Because after cycling through many mental hospitals, there were definitely plenty of people in and out of those institutions who were either a clear danger to either themselves or to others.>>42297526I’m personally not in favor of SSRIs but I have a few friends who appreciate being on them rather than contemplating and going through repeated and escalating self-harm. And anti-psychotics definitely illicit character assassination but I’ve seen the alternative resulting in violence and despair
>>42297686you fucks sell out and falsify studies like a cop falsifies a report after planting a gun. also the way you just brush past decades of fraud around ssris, lying to the public and literal institutional violence where people were forced to take these drugs you lied about. This isnt even getting into antipsychotics, a drug class that's just crippling sedatives you give to people you want less of and then lie about.
>>42297686your breakthroughs are breakthroughs in normalization, suppression and coercion. This era in your profession will be remembered like all the others. as the lobotomists, the water treatment proponents, the list of mutilators goes on and varies from the beginning of your damned class. I'm sure in a few years you'll find a new way to hurt people you've captured and then disavow what your doing now.
>>42297686oh also the way you claim there aren't lifelong forgotten patients and then immediately admit that there are and there's no oversight but they probably deserve it. If there is a hell I think pretty much any religion would put your profession there. Literally as soon as your mirage of legitimacy fades with the current power structure history will remember you for what you actually did to people. as monsters.
>>42297906First off, I’m not a licensed therapist, psychiatrist, or really any profession in the field of psychology. I’m just another patient with their own experiences when interacting with the people from there.Second, I already partially agreed with you that corruption does exist in some form in the scientific community including psychology. Please do not leap to assumptions that Im “brushing aside” corrupted data on SSRIs or any other confirmed poisoned data. I’m sharing contrasted experiences to what you’re alleging. I’m not an expert so I’m not going to state it’s assured efficacy, and maybe SSRIs and anti-psychotics really aren’t for you and your life is made all the better being off than on them, but your experience does not mimic those from people who’ve positively benefited I’ve personally known for decades and/or interacted directly.You do not hold all the data. You’re not immune to your own bias, and you’re communicating as if you’re emotionally compromised and unable to hold a level-headed conversation.>>42297958You’re still willfully ignoring any positives that have come out of the field of psychology and ignore the millions upon millions whose lives were made better due to its presence. You don’t get to dictate a service is purely wrong due to your experiences alone.>>42298011If you carefully read my post, you wouldn’t misread and assumed I’m claiming there “aren’t life long forgotten patients”. You still choose to ignore the existence of violent patients, or that the mass majority of people who are suicidal are not realistically in situations that justify self-harm.Again, I’m not anyone studying the field in a career sense, and those who are can most likely identify that. But I will highlight you’re not speaking from a perspective of logic but from one that is heavily emotional (justified) and ignoring most of my points in favor of appealing to emotion (illogical).
>>42298206"lives made better" by metrics created by them, measured by them, recorded by them and regularly modified by them after the fact. You in fact aren't speaking from a position of logic but one of gormless propagandised victim. I think again, the fact that you are not in fact mad at the people whos lives have been wrecked and are being wrecked shows that you dont take it seriously and are just happy that things are working out for you. I also know many people. I know many peoples whos lives have been completely destroyed by this system. Your mealy mouthed excuses for it are not convincing especially when they line up entirely with said systems propaganda. You already said you were a patient I guess they did a good job with you. I suggest you up your meds.
>>42298406*mad for the people whos lives have been wrecked
>>42298406>metrics created by thempresupposes that every data point is corrupted and reduces this argument just “he said she said” arguing. You’ve encountered falsified data and have extrapolated that to the entire school of practice which is wholly irrational to do, and is fueled by your bias. No one with a clear head and a modicum of patience would side with your leaps in logic because it mimics the same anti-intellectual rhetoric you can find from right-wingers.You’re invalidating my experiences and stating to know better than myself in my own life when you don’t even know my name. Reduced my entire argument to strictly propaganda with no proper review. Accusing me I can’t hold empathy for those harmed by mistreatment and mishandling by abusers in positions of authority when I didn’t directly comment, when I’m a proponent of digesting the situation for its merits and faults. I’m not even here to convince you when I know people who are gripped by emotion when responding have compromised input. I’m here for the lurkers to share counter experience and perspective to your extremely wild, ignorant, and illogical commentary.>up your medsIf you had a healthier experience with the medical system, you would have been guided through the process that incorporates the TEMPORARY use of meds until you’ve developed proper skills from therapy to self-regulate and tackle life without reliance on said meds. There are rare occasions where some patients need to be on them indefinitely due to extreme conditions such as schizophrenia, but luckily (and i’m thankful) that I don’t need to be.
shrinkanon what advice would u give a repper to stop being such a pussy and get on e
>>42287319shrinkanon how do i actually start feeling like anything other than a man? a boy hit on me today and called me very beautiful but i barely felt anything. nothing actually seems to validate me being anything but a man and ive eradicated everything that outwordly dose (2 surgeries this year if they dont fall apart).does it ever get better? i 'pass' whatever that is, but i feel like a man on the inside even moreso when i start tranning. it feels like theres an aspect im missing
>>42287319Can you help me? Let's say I am a disabled brokie in the USA on disability, how could I afford my ffs brow reduction?
>>42297088>One of the Top California surgeonsWHAT KINDnose, jaw, chin, brow.
>>42287319please shrinkanon if you wanna help people, please help us in the thread PLEASEEEEE
