being forced into something isn't masculine
>>42292395Forcefem is like an established fetish popularized for a long time while forcemasc is mostly poetry on Tumblr. Also being lowered to the status of a woman is humiliating and forced masculinization isn't
Oh, it exists. They just don't call it that. Being forced isn't malecoded.You know that whole massive furry subgenre about hormones/pheromones and breeding seasons and "alphas and omegas" where it's like "Oh no something beyond my control is making me act like a snarling beast that just wants to fuck and fight everyting ohhhh noooo"? There, that's your forcemasc. Omegaverse may as well be the transmasc equivalent of the HDG.Werewolves especially are about as malecoded as you can get. Soft boys or girls getting turned into ravenous werewolves is just forcemasc fiction dressed in a fursuit. A lot of furry stuff is, basically everything that leans into the wild animal side of things instead of pets.
>>42292395Forcemasc is funnier than forcefem and forcefem has roots in MEF and degradation kinks while forcemasc does not.
>>42292395Need to do it yourself nonny.
>>42292492>Omegaverse may as well be the transmasc equivalent of the HDG.....fuck you
>>42292451Sending anon to bootcamp until they're masc enough.
>>42292395Cuz the male ego
i need to turn a ftm loser into a man who’d use me
>>42292451This is unironically why conversion therapy never works
I once saw a post essentially explaining that forcefem is more of a fetish (not always, but usually) and forcemasc is more of a response to most cis men wanting ftms to just stay fem. It’s like an escapism fantasy for ftms. (Not saying forcemasc isn’t ever a fetish). >>42294191Me pls
>>42294743hiiii
>>42294743Cisfems and theyfabs want transmascs to stay fem too. Half the ones I've met cucked out their identity for female approval, it's sad.
>>42292469this and if you unironically like forcemasc you deserve to be laughed at that shits gay as hell
it's because you actually do need to forcefully show some people that they're repressing womanhood (because women are more oppressed under patriarchy) whereas people into "forcemasc" just want the benefits socially of being a male without the effort
>>42292451I think the equivalent is that fetish where the person is involuntarily turned into a rape monster or zombie or werewolf. Essentially, forcefem is a loss of control fetish.
>>42292395forcing someone into grueling torture and working out is a lot harder than forcing someone to be dainty and not eat and lose all their muscle and embrace relaxing. its a lot more comfortable feel.
>>42294964yeah but nobody fantasizes about being the rape monster/zombie/werewolf
>>42295334>and embrace relaxingim 2 years hrt and still havent gotten to doing this, im a very paranoid hypervigiland cptsd sufferer tranny and frankly im worried about it
>>42292395>tehee oh noooo someone forced me to be super strong and powerful! how terrible!
>>42292395You also have to remember OP people are dumb and creatively bankrupt. It's easy to imagine forcefem content because of the oppression of female people. We already have a reference. But the opposite? You can't just ask any dumbass to work with that, or you'll get the typical "force a ftm to work out" concept.
>>42292395guilt relief, it allows people to enjoy the fantasy of being feminine WITHOUT having to confront the fact they actually want it. masculinity is considered a good trait for men and even women, hence why the forced part isn't as popular.
>>42295413>hundreds of girls are forcefem'd every day when their parents MAKE them wear a pretty dress
>>42295431>jumps to dresses and not the right to vote or have a bank accountDid you read my post and how it said people are dumb and creatively bankrupt and feel targeted...?
The process of forced masc is called hazing. It's extremely painful and involves throwing out your personality to accomplish ideal male iconoclast behavior. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tHxf17yJsKs&pp=ygUPR3Vubnkgc2NlbmUgZm1qOn the contrary forced feminization is the process of making yourself more sensitive to things. Default human state wants to be empathic with others.
>>42295450children cant vote, and i'm talking about today not 50 years ago
>>42295501Undertale vs Outlast Trials
>>42295510Thank goodness I'm not talking about children, then... I'm not sure where kids came into this...
>>42292395because they don't let ftms into the military either
>>42292492>Omegaverse may as well be the transmasc equivalent of the HDG.need ftm bf to omegaverse rp with ASAP oh my god
>>42292395because playing on hardmode is a thing that is preferably done by choice, not by force
>>42292395Being forced into being submissive makes more sense than being forced into being dominant, for obvious reasons.
>>42295366anon....
>>42296757Has no one here been forced to be dominant before? Everyone is acting new in here
>>42298038"I'm surrounded by mentally retarded people and will suffer if I don't independently make my own path" isn't really erotic, or even empowering. It just is. Most of the time being forced to be dominant is just the people around you sucking.
>>42292492wait people actually enjoy omegaverse and self inserting as the top/alpha?
>>42298038how does that even happen lmao just walk away bro. just leave and jerk yourself off at home hahahaha
>>42298160I'm not like super into it, but as a hung transgirl if my hypothetical ftm bf wanted to roleplay I think I'd enjoy being his alpha :3
>>42292395femaleness and womanhood in a misogynistic society is inherently sexualised at the expense of those coerced into it. this is not true for masculinity. the relative popularities of forcefem and forcemasc reflect this
>>42292395i don't even know how forcemasc would work. masculinity isn't usually about being forced into something. forcemasc would be like, a person having to take the initiative and inject themselves with T to save a poor innocent woman or something.
>>42294836yeah actually that's a good point. forcefem is about like, breaking down their defences and destroying their delusions of masculinity. forcemasc would be like, building them up? which isn't very forceful. that's just a self-help book.
>>42298100You think that's what I'm referring to? Independence? You haven't been selected for a specific position that requires you to be the dominant individual?>>42298182>lmao just walk away broThat's how you get categorized as fembrained or feminine. The choice to run away isn't neutral, it's the sign that someone can't handle being "forcefully masculinized".
>>42298352>>42295413>>42295399Hence so much of it is cloaked in furry or werewolf stuff where hormones and base instincts take over.Rule of Thumb: Pet animals are MtF coded, Wild animals are FtM. Going feral is a transmasc trope
>>42295399The actual good stuff also plays into loss of control, just losing it to base instincts and desire. Like the Hulk if he was also Mr Hyde and also a hot werewolf
>>42298352In the same way a lot of forcefem stuff plays into hyper exaggerated versions of femininity that someone raised as a male would grow to admire and fetishize, the forcemasc stuff (which usually isn’t labeled as such) plays into very stereotypical ultra masculinity stuff. Snarling man who can’t control his urges and just wants to screw females and fight other males
>>42292395I was a part of the porn industry for a while, and while there's nothing wrong with liking what you like, /pol/ was absolutely correct about sissy and bimbo kink content being astroturfed by people who specifically hate white people, not sure if it's still that way mind you
>>42292395forcemasc is way more mainstreamsee: gymbro/pickup dating advice influencers
>>42299960How is no one here talking about the fucked up ed ness that femininity is being a caged animal with no will, does no one here care about feminism. These wre inherently pretty regressive.>>42298038You always have the choice to walk away, as was said. That could get you categorized as feminine, or you could frame it as being civilized rather than acting like a stupid violent animal. Do you really think every boy responds to jerks at school by punching them in the face and getting into scraps?
>>42299471> You haven't been selected for a specific position that requires you to be the dominant individual?Me trying to find a girlfriend out of pressure before I was out to myself that I wanted to be a girl and actually liked men, becoming very uncomfortable by the realization that they all wanted me to be "dominant" to some extent or another, either softly or overtly
>>42299960>>42300011that makes sense. i guess the whole "becoming drunk on power" thing is a fetish in itself. like losing control over your natural politeness to just take whatever you want whenever you want.now the logical next step is to have a forcemasced ftm finish his transformation by dominating a forcefemmed mtf.
>>42300822I remember once finding this tg/tf erotica where there was a man and there was a woman, boyfriend and girlfriend, and both were magically forcibly transformed to be a submissive woman and a dominant man against their will. It was honestly a little weird though. This was a long time ago so I don't have a link.
>>42300790Femininity is getting him to want you, and experiencing that, thats why it feels different being horny on hrt, it means being wanted, and sometimes that means getting him to tie you up and fuck you while you can't do anything about it (and it's better with that little internal voice going no, even though it feels good)On the flipside it's the same kind of energy that is the dominatrix, who wants you to beg because you love her body, and who wants to feel good by being adored or sitting on your face and whipping you when you stop lickingPeople scream sexism when really it's just the nature of the feminine, it's a shame because both (because gender queer shit is just a mental health disorder) genders should be free to be their true selves, and transitioning sexually is a part of doing so
>>42298038Being forced to be dominant due to life circumstances is distinct from being forced to be submissive to one specific person. Again, it's obvious why the latter makes for an easier and coherent sexual fantasy.
>>42292469This, there isn't anything humiliating about being male. Being female is much hotter and desirable for a variety of reasons, but when it comes to humiliation and degradation that's only really something that applies to being women or resembling women. If you're male or otherwise look masculine that in itself is the opposite of humiliation and just looks normal and respectable (unless you fail at it, but that's not masculinity making you humiliated in that case; its your failure that is).
>>42300842damnwell i'm sure it's out there somewhere
>>42295366they're called poonahs
>>42300790>Do you really think every boy responds to jerks at school by punching them in the face and getting into scraps?I'm referring to running away from responsibilities and appointed positions (next head of household, heir in training)... Not kids fighting on the playground... >>42300809Thank you anon for a real world example that doesn't involve minors...
I wish I was forced into having a big pp and strong body that can fuck well
>>42292395why are degrading kinks more popular than praise kinks?
>>42301506For me its hot to abuse people and tell them they're worthless, it means they never leave me and do what I say, if I can make them cum from being treated this way I can gaslight them and call them a masochist, and when they say no I can make them cum again for their playful denial of what we both know is trueAt that point I remind them that no one would love them if they saw them like this, the only person they can really be themselves with is me, and then they're mine forever (or until they're boring or useless) so it's definitely interesting/fun for me to give people more degrading kinks, praise is for people who are special but I want to be special, so praise me, love me and tell me that you need me
for me it's>woman bodyswaps with adult man for agency and lebanese, and he has to deal with being stuck as a teenage girl
>>42301649ya that’s pretty hotis filename the name of the manga?
>>42292395because forcemasc doesnt make any sense as a concept
>>42301649>woman bodyswaps with man>his newfound masculine confidence makes him force his old body's new occupant to accept it>she just has to go along with it because he's become so naturally strong
>>42301726yupit's on mangadex
id be into forcemasc on someone if it involved hazing them, making them wear nice male clothing like suits, making them treat me on a date, and making them go topless like a manidk what people into this actually want though
>>42300822>Savage FTM conqueror seizes fragile boymoder MTF to become his plappable lady wifey
I think a lot of fem-protagonist adventure stories are forced masc in a way. It just isn't in a sexual sense.
>>42292395why must everyone in the thread respond as though all of forcefem is sissy shit fml. it's because socially being a 'proper' girl is learned, so it's seen as often just fulfilling what's already there it just having been suppressed and brought to confusion by it's past environment. it's the plot twist dynamic basically, change and enchantment's appeal stems from it tending to accent and bring out the true nature of something by testing the entire existence of a thing.very few cute gender bender stories imply that the girl was genuinely a normal dude through and through beforehand. case in point picrel, thats basically the entire joke
>>42303179I blame SleepBambi, HDG, and that one prolific Pokemon fanfic writer
>>42303215ken penders?
>>42303215sissy forcefem is literally decades older than bambi sleep or hdg, neither of which include sissy fetishes
>>42294836>>42295450You are coping with your innate desire to be sexually submissive by rationalizing it away as societal influence. And yet even in your rationalization, you still prefer to think of yourselves as entirely receptive.The real truth is simple: female-identified people tend to be sub bottoms and their fantasies reflect that fact.
>>42292395Pooners are more into gore, hole wrecking, shota, and sexual and nonsexual torture.
>>42303473>Mfw looking at porn of dominatrixes is the thing that makes me most feel dysphoric
>>42303483The mentally ill edgelord ones on this board are like that. Especially the femreppers. But IRL FTMs who've actually transitioned have pretty normie preferences.
>>42303483i am not into gore
>>42292395Force masculine is a thing in fiction but on a lower, non trans way. For example, every "city mouse goes to the country" type of story when it is a girl has it where the girl has to get her hands dirty and do manual labor or break a nail and the like. And you also have plenty that involve boys "manning up" in one way or another. The learning to be a man thing as a way to grow up. You don't see it as a trans thing because "tomboy hot" and it's not seen as a humiliation or punishment thing. There is however, one story that does get closer and that is the "raised as a boy" type. Usually in some sort of royalty or nobility setting where a girl can't inherent and they need a son. I've seen this in manga, usually fantasy or historical. Finding them more easily would go under the "raised as opposite gender" trope. Now, you can get a more blatant one to work if you want to, and someone on fictionmania tried, by leaning into the "city mouse goes to the country" type and to make it more trans requires you to push it more than what's shown in movies. Head shaving is a must. Chest binding. Manual labor. Stuff like that. Need to surround the MC with boys and men and push more extreme. Breast removal would be a big deal as even irl those who lose then due to Breast cancer say they feel less feminine.
>>42300861There can be. You just need to think like a very girly girl who has all their value in life on their looks. Men are ugly. Hairy. Sweaty. Smelly from this pov. Here is why you do. Take a girl who is very Paris Hilton like or London Tipton. Send them to work on a farm away from all modern technology or convinceces. Shave her head. Cut nails short. Manual labor. Get them to wear very practical but unappealing clothes. She will cry. She will be humiliated. Boot camp the fuck out of her. More extreme would be breast removal surgery and pumping her full of T. She will hate herself and not like it at all.
>>42303784fuuuuuuck thats hotshe should keep the tits though so she can watch them get all saggy and hairyor maybe just a reduction so they look like gyno
>>42292395force masc is very popular, it's called joining the military
>>42304153That's forced ptsd
>>42292395You should look into what that pervert Kellogg thought, he was super against males masturbating but he loved chastity devices and forced feminization to try and get them to stop masturbating. Sick fuck.Those psychopathic kikes that also share that ideology some of them decedents of him are still around today and still have way too much power regarding brainwashing the general population.
>>42303179This image is exactly like the shit Kellogg pushed except he extrapolated the wild animal children to the whole of the goyim population and the male gender in general really
>>42304550>>42304589Also Kellogg is hard the first this shit extends back over a thousand years
>>42304153I have to many morals to actually do so and they wouldn't want me anyway because I'm a tranny but I've thought a lot about how well a bootcamp set up would work with forcemasc. Bootcamp is designed to be humiliating, the goal is to breakdown your identity so it can be molded into something useful for the military. Isn't exactly a far stretch to have them include the gender part of that. It's also an environment that's deliberately trying to masculinize you, trying to make you gain muscle and pushing your limits. To add onto the force part of it you could have the victims be drafted. Women forced to have their hair buzzed off, bind or remove their breasts and take roids which makes their bodies hairy and masculine. Hell, give them bottom surgery against their will so they can be trained to rape enemy soldiers and civilians.
>>42303784That's not humiliating. It's just a loss of something she wants. There's nothing embarrassing about it like there is from a man being magically turned into a woman.
>>42305945That's kind of sexistIt is degrading, it's losing your identity for the sake of society, in a lot of ways that's what being a man is, the weight of expectation to serve and never to receive Man I hope as I transition I don't forget how hard men have things
>>42300709Do tell if you come back. Do you mean specifically like those fucking weird sissy hypno type videos? I've watched a few but good lord the yucky nasty feeling like I was being MKULTRA'd by viewing them was so great that I steered clear the rest of my porn viewing days to today.
>>42306144I don't want to be too specific anymore I've left that behind me and kind of want to restart my life (would be funny if I did porn again though)But yeah, nothing against sissy/bimbo shit but I've been in the same room as some of the creators of some of that content and the /pol/ stereotype of them is correct, one of them was actually funding a lot of BLM stuff back when the burnings were happening and he explicitly made content because white people are amalekGot nothing against the content existing though, just found the nature of its creation kind of gross
