How are there trannies who work decent office jobs and make six figures and have 401ks and a nice house and a nice car and have surgeries on a whim without ever having to consider doing sex work and stuff? Meanwhile me who dropped out of HS and did service jobs until mom pulled some strings to get me into a school that helped me get a nail tech license for cheap just to end up making less in tips than a cis woman for the same amount of work and skill. I can barely afford to live on my own and my car is literally about to die any moment now and I'm really scared you know? I don't even have health insurance and stuff is expensive enough already. I don't have what it takes to do sex work despite literally every single one of my trans friends doing some sort of sex work and encouraging me to do it. I don't want to disvovle into a kid and move back in with mom's again. She's such a busy body and picks on every thing. I don't know guys I just don't
>>42300472I looove how you write your heart out here and not get anyone to talk to you because you aren't talking about taking dick or lesbians or some porn tier stuff
>>42300526Talk with you*I'm retarded yeah. Also bump and talking to myself half drunk on my rare day off
>>42300472>have surgeries on a whimEasy there.I got into debt for that. Granted, I'm European (incomes are lower even for the upper mmiddle class).
>>42300472BroProgrammer sock AGPs are like a straight-up trans caricature.Their megamale brains are perfect for computer science stuff.And someone in HR can be like, "oh, yeah, we have 'women' working in that department".
They just spent their adolescence and young adulthood oriented in a way to achieve social mobility, and had a little luck other circumstances didn't get in the way, very little of it is particularly tranny related
>>42300472I dropped out of college because I couldn’t afford it. Got some jobs at companies with “progressive” HRs in finance. Sought out a company with insurance that covered all my surgeries including FFS. Lived paycheck to paycheck taking public transport and going to food banks while working 60 hour weeks to make ends meet and afford my deductibles and travel costs for surgeries. It was a solid 3 year grind but I had clear goals. Being on the other side of it is a little surreal sometimes, and makes me resentful of the bitterhons who seethe about luckshits and privelege. Transition is a lot of work, a lot of long hours, sacrifices, appointments, bureaucracy, and being pushed down by other trans people who lack the motivation to better their condition. Sex work can be profitable for sure, but for my own dignity I chose to live very frugally and work extremely hard. I saw so many of my friends further traumatize themselves with sex work, and inevitably drugs, and that kept them stuck and even killed some of them. That motivated me to never seriously consider it and try to offer them help - I housed one friend and charged her no rent even when I was barely able to pay mine, I’ve given friends estrogen and food when they were out, tried to help many find employment outside of sex work. Almost all of them eventually resented me or tried sabotaging me, to where I now know to avoid girls who live that life and don’t offer help because it only breeds resentment.
>>42300592Sex work and drugs are two scary things to me. Drugs would make things too easy imo the only drug even if you can call it that I've ever taken is poppers and even that felt like cheating. I know sex work is not as simple as they make it sound like. I wonder if my besties secretly cry like they do in movies>>42300574I wish I could learn programming but I don't even own a computer
>>42300592>Almost all of them eventually resented me or tried sabotaging meI felt that hard.Ultimately some people are simply their own worst enemy. And will drag others down to their level just because they can.t. >>42300551
Idk I work as a teacher and I leech of my bf’s income
>>42300615Sex work is a trap. Drugs are a cope which I’m not entirely against, but I could never justify spending money on drugs. Now? I do drugs, but I can do them for fun, not to cope with some shitty circumstances. I strongly advise against ever falling for those traps. Try to help your friends if you can and they are willing, but always prioritize yourself and never get dragged down by someone else’s choices. Keep pushing - there is a way to make your goals happen if you are determined enough.
>>42300472That's really sad nonny. I'm sorry your life is so hard right now. If it helps I love you?
I suspect most of them careermaxxed before transition
>>42300661was an incel neet and started at 23. Careermaxxed my ass.Trooning out gave me motivation to work, actually. And working got me out of the home more which did wonders for my overall mental health. Which in turn made me a pleasant person to be around, which helped with finding love.These things are all connected. And every step of the way there's more sabotage from "allies" than from society.
>>42300631I'm determineeedd thoooo. But like every single time before I get paid I have like just a couple of bucks left over like how am I going to get 20-30k at this rate>>42300649I love you too mwah mwah mwaaaah
>>42300721Are you the same person as above?
>>42300472They are called AGPchads
>>42300721>every step of the way there's more sabotage from "allies" than from society.
>>42300768Examples? >>42300721
>>42300751Yes. I am>>42300721>>42300624>>42300551
>>42300472I have a decent office job and make six figures but I'm a perma rentoid with $15k+ medical debt and student loans. Idk how anyone owns a house or car at my age tbhonest (27).
>>42300721To continue, I don't own a house yet (though technically I'm due to inherit one).But if all goes well with bf and we get married, we will afford one. Granted, I insist on paying as much cash as possible.The fact that in 2026 I'm still paying for the debt incurred for ffs bothers me (but I'll be done with it this year).
>>42300724I don’t know your particular situation so what I suggest is just general advice:Apply for all assistance programs, including public housing vouchers (even if the wait list is 1 - 2 years) Utilize resources like food banks, assistance closets (clothes for the poor or queer community). Take literally every gib that exists. Local orgs and even churches offer a lot, and can put you into touch with more resources. I used to eat a lot of meals at soup kitchens.Always be looking for a better job. The market sucks now, but be persistent. Work more hours if possible. Get a 2nd job. Even a side hustle like Uber Eats or Door Dash. Opt for cheaper transport whenever possible.Get into extreme budgeting. Meal prep. Never pay for media subscriptions (Spotify, Netflix, etc). Use free versions and check out Kanopy.For health insurance, always apply for a public plan even if you already are on one. You can be on public healthcare Eve if you have private insurance, and it can cover costs supplementally, and even offers benefits (eg Medicaid in many states pays for travel to medical appointments). Go to providers who use sliding scales based on income (PP or queer specific health clinics, for example). Many of them also offer supplies cheaper than pharmacies.Unless you have a shit ton of deductions, file your own taxes. It’s actually extremely simple and saves you money if you are just using the standard deduction, which you likely are.Other things that I did: had no pets, gave up hobbies and vices like video games and nicotine, rice and multivitamin maxxed for a solid 6 months, borrowed money for a deposit on a cheaper apartment and paid it back with the money I saved having cheaper rent, got a roommate, thrifted a lot (including car tires), switched to a bank with higher yield account. A lot of this you are probably already doing out of necessity and obviously a lot more info and options are out there if you look hard enough. Much of it is region dependent too.
>>42300472It’s called having a bf once you get one all your money becomes spending money
>>42301373That’s just sex work with extra steps
>>42300472Short answer: nepotism.
>>42300472you gotta looksmaxx too to get the good jobs. everyone cares about looks and it will carry you.
>>42300472i dont know i had a horrible time in high school, had no support and just dropped out and became a hikki. i have absolutely no idea how people get jobs at real companies doing real things like computer programming without burning out or being crushed by being trans on top of everything else. i just have to accept they are superior to me
>>42300797how tf do you make 6 figures, im gonna go my whole life and never make thati hate you so much
>>42301697>i hate you so muchAhh. And there’s that resentment and bitterness from the crab bucketeers that’s been mentioned in the thread. Remember girls: most other trans girls hate you. The more you succeed the more they hate you.
>>42301739of course i hate you, you got lucky by being born in a place you can get a 6 figure job somehow. probably only because you look good.
Having high earning malebrained jobs
>>42301744>assumptionsThose are all assumptions. You don’t know anything about anyone. All you know is someone has something you don’t, and it makes you mad. Toxicity like yours is why I avoid all other trans girls. You don’t know that 6 figures where I live is still not a living wage because of cost of living. You don’t know what I did to get where I am, or where I am from, or what I look like. You are simply spiritually rotten.
>>42301803im mad because it seems fucking impossible to get anywhere in this world because im retarded while others get to have everything, how can 100k not be a living wage, thats like 3x the living wage in my country
>>42300472When you're trutrans, transitioning makes your career take off.
You just dont understand how hard it is to get by in america. I have only thousands of dollars left over after all my expenses, savings, and retirement are accounted for.
>>42300472Some people are into things that pay well and manage to luck into doing those things professionally. Me, I'm a poorfag who only makes 30k a year, but I have an easy job where I get to shitpost on 4chan and browse the internet/YouTube during my shift, so it's not all bad. I'm happy and have a warm bed to come home to and food and I can save regularly by being frugal.
>>42300472Among all my trans friends, I only know two who have real office jobs and earn a good living (even though one of them is a developer). The rest live only on the minimal assistance provided in my country or do precarious work that doesn’t allow them to live decently. being trans is either everything or nothing.
>>42301949Its fucked how true that is. Have same qualifications as peers for 300k starting meme, only I had higher grades, but they're cis and get those jobs,while I get to scrape by. Gotta be better than everyone to make it.
>>42300592you're an inspiration, thank you anon
>>42301949yep, i either know people who make nothing and live on disability or people who work for google making 150k a year out of college
>>42301973Being trans really blocks access to certain jobs. It's crazy. It must scare them or something.
>>42302022It's sad because some of my friends have more than enough skills/knowledge to do well-paid jobs, but there are lots of factors that prevent them from doing so...
>>42302032id even settle for pushing carts, but they want lovable slow retards, not math troon autist
>>42302046>more than enough skills/knowledge to do well-paid jobs, but there are lots of factors that prevent them from doing so...mood, if only my circumstances (external and internal) didn't cuck me so hard for so long
>>42302032Part of the reason why I trooned out instead of repping was because nobody wanted to give a short girly-voiced faggot any kind of decent job to begin with, so it's not like I was losing anything by trooning. I was always poor and was never going to get a real career because I didn't perform masculinity correctly even while repping.. continuing to rep would have been fucking POINTLESS.
tfw wasted my 20s being dysphoric instead of careermaxxing and now im fucked for lifeFUCK
>>42300592there was a year I lived that same kind of life and even housed a friend. She manipulated the fuck out of me and made my life so miserable I regressed back to a neet though. I wish I had the same drive and determination you do nona but I’m trying again this year, hopefully I can finally make it.
>>42300592>dropped out of college>gets a job in finance????? HOW THE FUCK
>>42301910>38000 a year 401k>12000 a year 529>3 weeks of vacation>400 a month in clothesthis is an incredibly good life and 350000 is not a spectacular dual income for those cities. This is not “just getting by”
>>42302022I have been both of those people lol
>>42302102I’m kind of in the same situation, except I keep repping anyway, since my career is going to be mediocre and not glorious at all regardless.
>>42301697This unnecessary embrace of envy and spite towards others in marginally better positions in life than you is corrosive to both the community and yourself. As others have stated, you really need to work like hell especially as a minority to not only survive but to keep your head above water.>>42300472Swallow your pride and move back in with your mom. It’s not just a trans thing, it’s a global economical disaster thing. Move back get your GED, don’t squander your time, either select a job you can realistically climb the ladder (generally unlikely these days without education), go in debt and finish college, or look up jobs that require certifications you can tackle. Again, this shit is not easy. You need to stop tolerating being content or believing you’re better off alone with not even a high school diploma. Get your fucking education, get into college or certs, and work your ass off, or you’re gonna keep perpetuating this cycle of suffering for yourself.pic rel. going to be you doing sex work at this rate.
>>42302157as a cis person living in Miami, on 350k in my house i am basically Diogenes. tranny prostitutes living on 15k a year in SF could never understand my suffering.
>>42302280>marginally better positionanon 100k is triple the average wage in my countryyou're right though but i think a lot of people get certs and degrees and they cant get anywhere with that either. and then there are dropouts who make 100k+ a year with no education because they are attractive and social. sometimes you are just being stamped on over and over because you are inferior and thats all you can do
>>42302450Quit spending time being envious of others. Yeah some people are just too damn luckier than others. But if you’re applying for jobs and it’s between you and the other trans girl who has a degree, you’re gonna be hurting even more knowing you get passed over by that qualification.
>>42300472i owe all of it to my parents and still do. let me live rent free. pay for my car so all my income is disposable. only pay insurance and phone myself. spent 4 months grinding out $10k in retail so i could go to mexico for ffs. mom helped me get an office job i stayed at for 7 years so got plenty of experience despite only having my hs diploma. was able to start a side hustle that gave me business credit lines. most of the future work i had done was paid for with credit cards. laser, BA, lips. its literally all fake online. these girls are either doing sex work or have an incredible support system or both. nothing wrong with it either you have to do what you have to do. this shit is expensive and unfair
>>42302637based parents. also you did what i thought we were all doing. until came online and saw all these people talking about ffs with top american surgeons like its the price of a fuckin haircut.
>>42302156>"Progressive"= DEI tranny hire
>>42302797yeah you're retarded being a tranny does nothing but hurt you in the corporate world
>>42302829pretty much. if you get a DEI hire job its because you had connected parents and friends. those jobs do not just go to trannies
>>42302797>thinking trannys qualify for DEI in practice in year 2026Yeah you really don’t understand why trannies get funneled into sex work over every other job. And hint, hint, the mass majority do not do it to somehow strike it rich.
>>42302894what do you mean? sex work is completely safe, the risks of being injured or infected are overblown and your clients are very clean and respectful and will always pay you. its been proven to be so safe for us trans people i think everyone should do it.
>>42300592America is truly land of opportunities or where ever you live. Lucky
>go to shit public school in a poor district>none of my friends have passion for anything>on my way to become a neet after graduation>join a few discord servers for my hobbies>get interested in programming and engineering>apply to a public magnet school, get in>surround myself with cracked people in STEM>get positions in clubs, take difficult classes>go to college in a competitive field>already have a better project portfolio than average freshman>life is goodYou can call it malebrained or whatever, but by simply being in the right environment, you can change your life. You can spend your next 50 years surrounded by neets or working people; its your choice.>"I don't go to school anymore I don't have chances to meet anyone"The internet has billions of people on it and you actively choose to spend your free time rotting on this board. There has never been a better time in history to connect with professionals in any field.
>>42304255those professionals may be online but they only want me sexually, and are not interested in my academic background or getting me into jobs
>>42300472ngl, it's all about passing before ffs, my life was hell after ffs, i got a good job (pays 150k/year) and my life is greatpassing is unironically make-or-break for the rest of your life. shit compounds
>>42304465even in relationships too. have men flooding to me now that i look less clocky. which then gives confidence and wellbeing to actually want to succeed instead of rope.
>>42304465Are you ftm
>>42304762i got ffsi am mtf
UhhHave wealthy parents that pay for my autistic engineering degreeGet a job somewhere
>>42302198stop repping
this is just a thread full of peoples survivorship bias>yeah yeah my life sucked and then i somehow changed it all around and now i make 100k+ a year and im a passoid, wait what do you mean i make more money than 90% of people currently alive? i totally did this all by myself
>>42302450have you considered pursuing higher education, networking with others in your field of choice, dedicating years to your field working long hours, then applying to the 6-figure jobs?
>>42301868nta but in san francisco 100k is foodstamps and buffalo chicken
>>42300472How do I careermax? I'm 21 and working at Walmart. I'm saving up to buy a car so I can go to school, I wanna go to finance, and my boyfriend is going for welding. I have about 4.6k saved right now. I'm 2 years HRT and have a laser hair removal consultation scheduled for March. I have BCBS and am hoping I can really fight with them to get Dr. Mardirossian covered for FFS, as I've seen a few Reddit posts saying BCBS covered him, but that's a few years out. I'll have to have one year "lived experience" as a woman before they'll cover it anyway. I'm a boymoder right now.Really, the most repressive part of my life is my mom. My dad knows about me being trans and is very supportive, but my mom is abusive and very homophobic and he's told me I really shouldn't tell her for as long as I possibly can. Anyways, what moves should I be making? Is there anything I could be doing that could be moving my transition along?
>>42306302so how do all the people working fast food afford to live
>>42306452haha
>>42306300dont really find anything interesting, burn out easily, massive social phobia. im just gonna rope in a few years instead of deal with it
>>42306452>she thinks they can afford to livefoodstamps, overcrowding, prostitution
>>42306452That's the funny part: they don't!Most people in those kinds of jobs live with their parents or are sharing space with others. They pool their earnings together to scrape by.America is a shithole, the average person works jobs where they are not respected, are paid unlivable wages, live in dehumanizing conditions, are fed poison, are placated by screens, and when their brains begin reacting adversely to their conditions and make them mentally ill, they're put on copious amounts of drugs that turn their brains off.
>>42300472>I don't have what it takes to do sex work despite literally every single one of my trans friends doing some sort of sex work and encouraging me to do it. I don't want to disvovle into a kid and move back in with mom's again. She's such a busy body and picks on every thing. I don't know guys I just don'tyou are my dream woman
>>42306432>Anyways, what moves should I be making?Slowly move to no contact with your mother. You don't need that repressive shit in your life now. Time heals shit. You can reconnect later (in 4-5 yrs or whenever).Tria 4x exists. It's not expensive. Helps with the hair issue until you go with the bureaucracy to get a more professional job.>I'll have to have one year "lived experience" as a woman before they'll cover it anywayThat sucks. But if that is the case, seems like you have to take steps to socially transition (hence what I said about contact with your mom).In the meantime, unironically you should consider a trade too. Ig that finance sounds alluring (and not saying you shouldn't aim for that) but trades make a lot of dolla and fast.I picked up carpentry. Practiced for 3 years. Was harder to save up because I didn't have a bf at the time, but prevented a lot of common disasters trannies go through.
>>42306503>Slowly move to no contact with your motherI mean, unless I can move away, that's basically not possible. When I am capable of moving away, I'm never speaking to her again. Maybe my bf and I will be able to make it on our own.>Tria 4x existsI own one, but I am too afraid to use it. I don't want to cause any scarring or anything. I'm very pale with dark hair, though. I'm thinking of getting it done professionally for my face, but I'll probably use the Tria on my stomach and chest.>seems like you have to take steps to socially transitionI've read they can't really prove this sorta thing, the most they look at is documents. I could always get my documents changed and keep boymoding.>unironically you should consider a trade tooI don't want to do anything masculine, and really I don't think I'm cut out for that kinda stuff. I'm very good with scholarly / intellectual stuff, like I'm very studious and good in humanities, but with anything manual, I'm genuinely retarded. I'm as fembrained as you can get, I can barely stock a shelf at work lol.
>>42300472Mainly just luck, but also having no life and putting up with being misgendered and treated like shit for a better life 4 years down the line. Sacrificed alot of my early 20s just focusing on grinding out my career, but the education programs the gov provided I wouldn't have been able to get there with sadly. I'm not making six figures but I'm in the top 10% of earners in my country, no debt, had FFS and considering SRS soon.It's really hard other than just putting yourself through things you don't like and stunting yourself in other aspects compared to your peers but it's kind of a part of the tranny life package.
>>42306544Oops I meant *without for the education programs. But even with the whole getting kicked out of my parents, moving countries solo and everything else so far, the most difficult thing has always been dealing with pandering by cis people, I'd much rather be yelled at and called a tranny than passively negged and have them try to inflict language on others for my sake. I remember an example by a girl at my last job before I got surgery, she'd always try stop people from using the word "guys" and "dudes" even though I never spoke otherwise, purposefully trying to gain social brownie points but acting as if I'm a mute puppet with no will to assert or speak up for myself in the process, properly dehumanising.
>>42306525>Maybe my bf and I will be able to make it on our ownSounds like a plan. Grow together. Relationships built like that tend to last.>I don't want to cause any scarring or anythingKeep the setting lower and you'll be fine.>I could always get my documents changed and keep boymodingIf that's a possibility, then do that. Tomorrow, lol.Grab life by the balls, nona. Nobody is going to do it for you.>I don't want to do anything masculineBrainworms. Girl's gotta do what a girl's gotta do.You think I was a great carpenter? Hell no. I fucked off from the profession as soon as I could've afford it. Did I like doing it? Of course not. But the money was totally worth it.With the risk of sounding corporate, I will basically ask this: Where do you see yourself in 10 years?I'm 32. Now with bf and saving up for buying a place of our own (I'm still paying for the debt for ffs). 10 years ago I hadn't even started ffs and was further behind you (except i had moved out from my parents).It's not privilege. It's grinding. Lots and lots of grinding. And trade-offs.Hugs.
>>42306598>dealing with pandering by cis people, I'd much rather be yelled at and called a tranny than passively negged and have them try to inflict language on others for my sakeBased.Fully in agreement. Although that has made me a pariah in troony/queer spaces.
>>42300472Life is suffering, I work two jobs with no financial help and no insurance, some of us get lucky some of us don’t, best to find a cash cow, its my only hope out of this mess>t 35yo retail cosmetics employee
>>42306606>Sounds like a planHe's long distance at the moment, but he said he could either move to my state in 8-12 months and things would be a little harder for us, or we could wait a few years while he goes through trade school, then he'd move here. Part of me thinks it'd be better for him to come here, though, because going to school here would mean he doesn't have to juggle all the legal stuff of moving states and ALSO with finding a job with his skillset. I feel like I'm way in over my head with this, though. I already am stressed out enough just living with my parents and working.>Tomorrow, lolMaybe I should? I just worry about how that would complicate things, like when doing legal stuff like with insurance and doctors and applying for jobs and school.>Where do you see yourself in 10 years?Me and my bf will be married and we'll have a nice house, and I will have had FFS and I'll just be normal girl, instead of a coping boymoder twinkhon. I feel like I'm lagging behind. I'm 21 and I work at Walmart, I don't have my own car, and I've not even done general education for college at all. It wouldn't be so bad if I wasn't trans. I feel like I won't be able to live my life until after I've had FFS, so everything gets pushed back even more. And I don't know how I'm going to do all this. I feel like I'm too young and too poor to achieve anything.
Idk but I've legitimately never seen a wildly successful(rich) tranny who passed unless they got their money from porn. Maybe it's anecdotal but the ones I've noticed becoming big shot programers or engineers are almost always diabolically ugly while the passoids almost exclusively become bedrotters on welfare or their partners dime, or do porn or something else completely unethical.Make what you will out of that.
>>42306667>the ones I've noticed becoming big shot programers or engineers are almost always diabolically uglyprogrammer money can buy the best ffs in the world, so you only see the ones it doesn't work on.>t. passoid getting ffs to looksmax from my software job insurance
Is making art commissions online for niche and dedicated fanbases a good strategy for getting extra money I could spend on transitioning and sustaining myself? I'm somewhat at an intermediate skill level and have experience, but I didn't draw anything in more than six months due to repression and depression (pic related is something I did rn on the spot as a reaction pic)I'm currently planning to move out of my bigoted mother's house to live in the main city of my province since I'm an uni student, and I'm doing my best to find a part time job that pays okay for living in a small apartment with other people (it's really hard). I live in South Italy so prices are fairly low, and even if I'll have to wait a decade+ for FFS and SRS at least I could shape my life for the better and actually stop living like a ghoul under a toxic homelife.
>>42302102i know that feeling. i tried for years and years to wriggle my way into actually decent work and for a while i actually had it, but the fucking second they noticed i was on HRT things started to get worse for me there. i got kicked out of my prior role and put in the shittiest role they had until i quit due to not want to work getting covered in human waste in an icy cold environment with no shelter or access to warmth, and my boss had the nerve to call me hysterical for objecting to it. they fucking knew what they were doing and it was very much intentional.success as a tranny is a sequence of invisible lucking out situations that all amount to even making it possible for you to effortmaxx. you will get nowhere when youre stonewalled at every single point. every card that can be played against you will.
>>42306775I'm talking about people I know in general, not just people I've noticed to be trans(which would obviously lean towards non passers to begin with).
I'm 26 and just graduated in CS I got a 72k python automation job with good benefits I hope I can advance to a 6 figure one in a couple years
I genuinely do not understand the hatred for the trans women who made it. I see it as an inspiration. The grass is greener on the other side, and many people don't see the struggle. Not that I am any better off, I could barely afford orchiectomy as a teen transitioner drop out.I am currently making about 34k a year. It is the most I have ever made in my entire life, and I am almost 40. I feel trapped. But I do not resent those who make a lot and can afford to pay for their surgeries and other such things. They express envy for my looks occasionally. But they don't see that I sacrificed in a different way to get it.The above girls will tell you that it's about putting your nose to the grinding wheel and power through to make money. While that is true, they left off the most critical element of all. Luck. It doesn't matter how skilled you are, how hard you devote yourself, your dedication... either you are lucky enough to be in the right place at the right time, or you don't make it.I don't resent them for it. They had the right skills, were in the right place, talked to the right people, had the emotional fortitude to put up with things that I simply would not and could not tolerate. I do not hold it against them. What I do despise, however, is when the lucky start implying I did something wrong. That if I just did this one little thing, or several things, I would make it. What I did wrong was exist and refuse to lie down. I've done those things before, and I simply do not make it and fall apart. A few of them will say my view on them being lucky is a cope, but they have survivorship bias.Success is a gamble. Some win, some lose. It's a struggle either way. Neither side can see the other's struggle.
>>42307046i got extremely lucky (even while *horrible* luck was biting at my heels). i started transition homeless, and eventually took a crappy job for the great insurance. they wouldnt answer my calls without it. once i had insurance i was able to get the surgery i needed. i arranged my WHOLE LIFE to get it. worked overnights and overtime and slutted myself out to have enough money to get the time off. i made friends and found a lot of critical support from people around me. so when i see girls who give up before they start, i get so sad. i want to snap them out of it, but i know that shit is deepset. "it never works, someone always takes it away at the last second" that was how i felt, but once i got into the System they hurried things along as best as they could.OP there are ways for you to get what you need. but you need a plan. maybe it's a ten year plan, but you can do it. dont give up
>>42307089>>42307046also we have the same income
I got a stem phd and industry job in r and d. The price? Troon at 31 after a decade+ of nolife repping by hitting the books. Can afford whatever ffs and whatever else the fuck I want though so that's nice.
>>42307046>my view on them being lucky is a copeBecause it is.I'm born in the USSR, grew up under extreme violence, worked anything from supermarket wearhouse manipulant to literally dig through shit in order to survive. Grandma was a Gulag survivor and parents were even poorer (because being related to political prisoners came with mandatory poverty).Trooned out in 2008, at age 25, when street violence against fags was the norm. Finished highschool at 24. Never went to college.Now at 43 I'm married and own a house. In US terms (adjusted for purchase power parity) I do make six figures.But I'm sorry if I don't take your "luck" perorations seriously. It's not luck to be born in totalitarianism, dig through shit (literally, again) or be hospitalized 4 times due to random violence before age 20.It's not luck, nona. It's perseverance and willingness to take trade-offs.You took trade-offs too (as you admit) and that's fine. But to insist that everyone who took other trade-offs are just lucky is committing the exact thing you mention: failing (in your case intentionally so) to see the other's struggle.On a more positive note, $34k/yr could make you a very comfortable living and ability to save in Paraguay or Costa Rica.Geographymaxxing is real. I don't live in my birth country either.
>>42307099>Troon at 31 after a decade+ of nolife repping by hitting the books. Can afford whatever ffs and whatever else the fuck I want though so that's niceUh oh, that's me.Trooned out 33. Now 39, scheduled for ffs in Spain next month, paid out of pocket.Not entirely sure it was worth repping for the financial comfort but thank fuck I stopped repping.
>>42300526>>42300548so real breastie
>>42300472All you had to do was read the book
>>42307046.cont.You will still have to grind either way. I did what I had to do with the tools I had at my disposal to never go off HRT. I sucked a fair amount of dick. I've done photos for private collections, some of which I regret. I clung to a man for over a decade and lost a ton of money helping support a disfunctional household, some of which is my fault. And >>42300592 and >>42300721 are right. Allies will often become your worst enemy the moment you start looking the part in total. "How dare you not be our little pet that we can drag around and mock I mean feel pity for?"I've also taken in "trans girls" , given them free hormones, etc... many of whom quit taking them, and then go off the deep end. I remember sitting there beaming as one screamed at me about how I was literally a cis woman and was not trans. I told her thank you, and it escalated the fight like I wanted.>>42306871Oh, they absolutely know what they are doing. And then they fire you for job performance issues, when literally no one else actually does that "job" either. Shit talk you to other employers when they call about references. Etc. Every time.That, or they never fire you because they are well aware that we're an untouchable caste in society. "What is she going to do? Leave for another job? Hah!">>42306667Guilty as charged, haha. But, uhh... when you spend most of your life being beaten for existing by basically everyone, you end up not seeing the point for even trying, even when it gets to the point of delusion.Sometimes, though, I worry that this isn't unique to us.
>>42306302What a load of shitRent in san francisco is 2k/mo for a studio. 100k after taxes you take home 70kIf you cant live in SF with 4k/month disposable cash you are fucking retarded. Its not that expensive. You can even easily afford to fork over the extra 1k for a roomier apartmentLike yeah you arent richy rich but you can live comfortably on 100k there and save, you definitely arent starving at the breadlines
>>42307128top meme from 15 years ago, sis>>42307145its amazing, isnt it? im currently working a job where i am lucky if i get a days wages a week. i cant get another one because im presently unhirable in a dead economy, and im having to deal with the lowest IQ straight people on the job conspiring to get me sacked while lowkey engaging in sexual harassment towards me. its really quite something. id move the fuck elsewhere but currently landlords refuse to rent anything at all to anyone who isnt in full time employment in the area, so im kind of doubly fucked. thank god my partner works long hours, because if not i wouldnt be able to afford to eat. my only real source of income is handling niche tasks and selling bulk cosmetics for a few trans people im friends with who at least have some form of income of their own.
>>42307109I never said it was entirely luck. Just luck plays a good part. Good luck can absolutely be squandered. I do occasionally squander good luck simply by just not having the emotional skills and abilities to handle some things. See >>42307109. It's not a cope. It's just how things are. Some of us are built to handle the effort. Some of us aren't. That's also luck. You just don't see it. The most we can do is encourage each other. Fuck you.>>42307089Ugh, I'm definitely in the camp of, "they keep taking things away at the last second!" I paid deposits 2-3 times for surgery, only for the surgeon to suddenly go, "oh, I don't do surgeries on people like you," and ghost me with no recourse. I was shaking and panicking in the OR because I was so worried it would happen again.>>42307122Hey, whatever works, right?
>>42307148i exaggerated slightly but theres a lot of hidden costs in sf too. the transit is decently expensive and you will not be living close enough to work to walk in many cases. food in sf is also extremely expensive, i bought an icream sandwich once without checking and it cost me $20. doing normal 20yo stuff like an occasional night out/going to a bar is insane>>42307128i actually own a paperback copy of this that my dad gave me as a kid lmao
>>42307176>they left off the most critical element of all. Luck>I never said it was entirely luckNo, you just said luck is the most critical element. Which is a slightly more diplomatic way of saying it's entirely luck.>Fuck youNo, thanks. I have a husband for that.You should still try geographymaxxing even if you hate my writing style and my phlegmatic way of framing issues. For real, look into it. You don't have to be stuck in an area/country that denies you opportunity.
>>42307176damn what the hell... mine was a gender affirming surgery i guess and they seemed to really give a shit about how much dysphoria i was feeling. you could have probably sued desu
>>42307186Yeah I mean like I said 100k is basically like you can sort of live comfortably. You can spend 3k on a nice apartment, splurge 600 on groceries, blow another 400 eating out with your buds a few times a week, 400 on your sundries and wardrobe, 600 on regular savings (or a car!), and still be putting 1k a month away in the 401k. Not rich but comfortable
>>42307176>Hey, whatever works, right?Ig?But other than being grateful that I no longer rep, most of everything else is quite sad and pathetic. I could've found love at 25 instead of 35. Learn to dress and speak at 22 instead of 32-33.But ig the grass is always greener on the other side.
>>42307192I currently live with my mother, and I am comfortable. I'm post op to a degree. I have FFS scheduled and am on a waiting list for an OR date. Our family also fled the USSR before I was born. I have a mental and emotional disability. I still made it, sorta. But I recognize, it was a lot of luck.Luck literally is the most critical element. Without it, you grind away into dust, fighting a storm you simply cannot beat. I've watched people struggle, do everything right, and still fail, only to end up surviving but not at the same place as those who also put in the same or less effort on the same path.
Anyone have words for me as a mental basket case ugly-passoid who is really hoping a tranny mommy bails me out and takes care of me while I work some easy part time job
>>42307207yeah fair maybe i need to reassess my sensibilities wrt money
>>42307186I lived in SF and there's plenty of gems if you live there for any extended amount of time and aren't frequenting a little shop run by sole asian woman who gives you a massive plate of food for less than 15 dollars that's on you. Food to cook is super inexpensive at groceout.Also lmao at paying for transit, I only did it the first few weeks of living there then never did once I realized nobody else is paying
>>42307281Well its definitely not coming from nowhere, 2k for a studio apartment is outrageous when a fulltime minimum wage earner brings home 2.7k. I do not understand how the west coast doesnt have housing prices riots
>>42307306If you live in the shithole areas of sf you can get a studio for 1500, I for one lived in the tenement housing for like 1100 in downtown and saved a shitton just working a basic warehousing job. Not terrible for one of the more expensive areas of the US
>>42307321Yeah but those arent even livable, theyre literaally decaying death traps. The lack of riots still puzzles me
>>42307306>i havent noticed the riots?
>>42307196SRS folks seem to be more understanding than urologists. I managed to save up 5k, and... anyways, this was back in the late 2000s, early 2010s. They would do weird ass bait and switch. "Oh, I have the license to do orchi in the office without an OR as an out patient procedure!" You'd show up, go through the consult, schedule a date, make a down payment. "Oh, sorry, that was the down payment for me, you still need to get an OR, that will be another 15k."Sometimes I got my money back, sometimes I didn't. Eventually, I got insurance that would cover it through work and I didn't pay a fucking dime.Soviet luckshit anon doesn't understand it's luck. I'm happy for her, but she doesn't have to act like we have a character defect because we got scammed a bunch, shessh.
>>42307352yeah :( it's really luck, but also dont give up
>>42307352>but she doesn't have to act like we have a character defectI'm not though.I object to being called luckshit by people who never had to dig through shit and who generally had to face a lot less hardship.You don't have a character defect, you're just wrong about calling others lucky.>we got scammed a bunchThat sucks balls. I could write a book about the scams in post-communist Europe.Yeah, I never got scammed on tranny-specific stuff. But I (like tens of millions of others) was scammed by the multitude of schemes that plagued the post-communist zeitgeist in all of eastern Europe from Estonia to Bulgaria and from Georgia to Czechia.Hugs.
>>42307372You were lucky you weren't killed.I am lucky to have accepting and loving fundementalist Christian parentsI am lucky to have survived homelessness and not be murdered like so many others like me back in the 1990s and 2000s.I am lucky to have survived the gunfights I went through.You are lucky that you have the emotional fortitude to actually grind and not lay down and die.Again. It's luck. We're not too different. I just recognize it was a fuck ton of luck on my part.
