Anybody else see something conceptually wrong with cosmetic surgery despite having to go through with it? I 100% will get it at some point but I always thought that there was something innately wrong with it. The body isn't meant to be shaped biologically for cosmetic reasons and that's obvious when you look at bad plastic surgery and how it gets worse as you get older.
Mixed feelings. Like you OP I will still get it done eventually. I'll give both takes. We weren't meant to be sitting on a computer typing yet here we are. That's just one example but basically everything we do in modern life is so far from what is natural or meant to be. Why single out this one thing? Other hand it makes me a little sad. People here wanted to use up turned noses as an example of if you're living as a woman or not because it proved you had FFS. Yet not that long after I saw a cis female influencer with a straight nose. She is living as a woman, not everyone has a nose like that. What's saddest to me is like with instagram models all these people look so diverse and come from all these different genetic backgrounds yet all end up looking the same ethnicity towards the end because they all have the same brow, nose, lips, cheeks, etc. All these filters, surgically or hormonally enhanced faces and bodies, bombarded with messages that we aren't adequate until we sculpt our features. Shit seems fucked
>>42328362As a kid I had this concept in my head as well. My mom got very slight cosmetic surgery on her eye I forget exactly what it was but it came across as extremely vain and lost in herself even back then. I don't think a human is really meant to stare at themselves and wonder what could be done to their face. For someone to properly have cosmetic surgery they would have to have a complete understanding of the 'alice's model of bob' / interface (look it up) between them and wider society, and they definitely will not because to get that point they would have had to be extremely deluded and unaccepting of their natural self in the first place. For example most times you see celebrities doing it it just indicates how clueless they are on why they looked good in the first place. And these are some of the most objectively hot people in the world. Of course now there are examples of trans women who had surgery save them, but they're all extremely young. Is there an example of a tranny who has died in old age with cosmetic surgery that made them 100% more attractive?
>>42328433I see what you mean about how humanity will always strive to do something better or overcome their original nature. VSauce's latest video gave me this perspective weirdly, how what came natural to humanity at the beginning of our time is not what we do now so there's no point in trying to "revert to our original nature" because the goal is to progress. So I get that. At the same time, striving to be unsettled is not always a good thing, some progress is permanent and some is straight up a fad. Nazism was humanity unsettling itself and striving for better from the perspective of the nazis. In fact, all conflicts since we came here are basically that. You could sum it up and say all these conflicts are once again us working ourselves out but you would quickly lose your right to be alive if you said any genocide was just humanity working itself out in a crowded room. >What's saddest to me is like with instagram models all these people look so diverse and come from all these different genetic backgrounds yet all end up looking the same ethnicity towards the end because they all have the same brow, nose, lips, cheeks, etcExactly.
>>42328362>The body isn't meant to be shaped biologicallyi believe that most if not all human evolution is based on us doing something that we "weren't meant to do" if we really commit to the idea that there's any meaning in us existing at all. maybe we weren't meant to live in houses, eat processed food and change our environment, but i doubt there's any going back. personally, i think it's wonderful that we aren't doomed to live in the bodies we hate. yes, some people go too far and ruin themselves physically and mentally with surgeries, but they can also improve one's quality of life
>>42328502>personally, i think it's wonderful that we aren't doomed to live in the bodies we hate. yes, some people go too far and ruin themselves physically and mentally with surgeries, but they can also improve one's quality of lifeNot OP but I had a sarcastic thought about this. Maybe we only allow cosmetic alteration for trans people, burn victims, that sort of person who need it to have an ordinary life. But we ban it for normal looking people who just want to be more beautiful.
>>42328502Where are these imaginary people that have been saved by cosmetic surgery? It seems like most of them still hate themselves immensely.
>>42328533i've realized that i actually don't have statistics to back up my statistics so i decided to google and found an article about regret after gender affirming surgery. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0002961024002381 and full on sci-hub https://sci-net.ru/10.1016/j.amjsurg.2024.04.021it seems that the regret rate for cosmetic surgery is indeed high, up to 47.1%, with the gender affirming surgery regret being significantly less common. 47.1 includes all regret from mild to moderate and strong.i agree that people often undergo surgeries because of their low self esteem and body dysmorphia, and in those cases surgeries won't fix anything, but the amount of people who at least don't regret having them is high too. i think no type of surgeries should be banned and the problem is mainly in the society and beauty standards
>>42328663to back up my claim*
