So I wanted to discuss something about trans spaces in general. Not mtf, not ftm, not enby stuff, just trans in general. Trans here includes nonbinary and thats actually something I wanna vent about too.Is anyone else feeling just sck and tired of trans people not even seeing gender critical ideas about trans people seeping into trans spaces via enbies and enbies also trying to segregate themselves from binary trans people? People keep saying that truscum are the problem, but it seems to me from everything I've personally seen in my spaces and my algorithms that transphobic enbies, puritanism, label seeking, egg/babytrans vulnerability, refusing to hear people out, binary trans butch erasure, weird stigma against trans men (at least some people get this right now), political extremism, exclusivity in general, and tokenism of brown and black people that are the problems.Surely its not just me. Is anyone else seeing this in more safe-ish city spaces and/or online? Do people get what I'm talking about? Its extremely frustrating.
>>42333322Is this thread a joke or smth?
>>42333322I'm referring to off-line trans spaces, by the way.Unfortunately, this seems to be the onlyl place I feel comfortable talking about any of this.Thats not an exhaustive last btw. There's also witchhunting, and annoyingly its opposite, protection of problematic people for two although the second one is kinda tricky and I don't know how much of a priority it is or is not.Everyone is scared and puritanical for no reason. They won't even talk to cis people including cis queers.
>>42333353No? Why would you think it is? Maybe its only something I see around me.... I've meet plenty of people who try to say my gender isn't real or who say I'm an enby just cuz I'm butch-leaning.I guess I'd need more than this to explain this or to go somewhere thats not shit. God why do I even try...Trans people need to be able to engage with a broader range of people and stop misunderstanding the fact that trans is inclusive language and... god I guess I listed to many things without explaining them.Oh well. I guess I'll just keep hiding my thoughts.
>>42333418It's 4chan, I'm not entirely sure what you're trying to accomplish here. If you have those grievances and dislike how other trannies refer to you, why be here? There's lots of safe spaces with explicit protections against those views that you find problematic.>No? Why would you think it is?I didn't mean to come across as rude, I just genuinely didn't think a post like this would be legit.
>>42333322Everything is part of the problem except truscum. Truscum is the solution actually.
Just frustrating when I go to trans spaces and people are like>Oh you think Nonbinary people are trans? Thats so reductive. Here; I'll give you the task of making me not get overly reactive.or>Oh you're a masculine woman who happens to be trans? You must not have decided.or>Things are so fucked rn here have some hardcore drugs. Oh you don't like hard drugs? Fascist.or>I'm actually a nonbinary woman and not trans I'm cis nonbinary because gender isn't real (even though this person presents fem and is AFAB) >person above then goes on to condescend towards me and insinuate that my gender is only real for me.These are things that have happened. Or at least things close to them. They've actually happened. I'm not joking about. I'm not trolling.This shit has happened and they are problems. I'm not just trying to start shit or whatever, yet that's what I feel like many people think. I'm not truscum; I think genderfluidity, gender neutral, gender questioning, genderqueer are all real. I don't understand agender, but if thats how you want to understand or express youre gender internally, go ahead. Maybe I'm wrong about that last one. I don't know. But can you at least not assume I know things already that I don't? Can you at least let me improve instead of threatening ostracizism?Y'all need to be bolder and calmer. We need to stop running and... just... fucking fuck I don't know.Y'all just need to chill the fuck out but I don't even know how to get you all there.
>>42333719Anon this is 4chud we don’t take enbies seriously at all here We openly call them theyfabs and theymabs because we just see them as cis people who want to feel special
>>42333719I mean if anyone would listen that would be one thing. But y'all (in the big lefty cities or at least mine) won't chill out and listen a little. We've also got this weird neolib thing going on like... people put brown and black people on a weird pedestal. On TDOV, I heard people put allies above trans people in general because they were so focused on saying the right things, that they only mentioned black and brown people and allies. Like its cool we wanna help then, but all of us should be uplifted. I don't know how to explain this one well, but I promise I am trying to explain a genuine issue that I've heard black and brown people be frustrated about. But I can't talk about it because there's this weird puritanism, this holier than thou thing in the community.>>42333708You're on a bad path. You're potentially highlighting another problem with our toxic af community; going from far left to far right on a dime or seeing far left and immediately going far right.Extremism is all too common. Please just chill. Give people time to understand their gender and discuss things. This isn't the way. Neither of these weird polarities are right. They just appear to be because no one talks.
I’ve literally never had a single problem in real life from a trans med. Yet trans*mascs act like they’re the most hateful problematic fatphobic racists MAGA voters you’ve ever seen, before explaining that trans women are male women, and trans men are female women.
>>42333322I'm confused and I don't understand what specifically your complaint is? You think enbies are trying to bring gender critical ideas into trans spaces? Why would they being doing that? What are the gender critical ideas you're concerned about?
>>42333854Talking is a waste of time. You will never understand your gender through dialogue.
>>42333322Of course cis ideas would infiltrate the trans community if you let cis people into the trans community
