>freud
Okay anyone seriously quoting that dude in a scientific capacity is a hack, and has been for several decades. They have got to be kidding.

>>42339740
what part is the terf ideology (i did not read all of it also i am illiterate but it seemed like typical academic observation)

>>42339780
ROGD

>>42339766
They're clutching at straws to dehumanise us, but as someone whos been seeing mental health "professionals" for 25 years, they dont even think transition is a pratical reality

>>42339814
>ROGD
what doth this mean.............

>>42339825
Rapid onset gender dysphoria.

Basically someone asked abusive parents if they ever noticed any signs of their children being trans before coming out. The parents ofcourse said no because why would a trans kid talk to abusive parents, so it looked like they 'suddenly' became trans, hence rapid onset gender dysphoria.

Leads into the social contagion theory which Briannas Gheys mom, Esther Ghey, has been campaining on. If only the internet and phones were tightly controllesf by the government then trans people just wouldnt exist

>>42339861
This place and others independently coined the term transtrender, how is that not the same phenomenon?

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>>42339861
ah yes that does sound like terf ideology i am just often not paying attention to that stuff because it's always depressing and there is little in the way of any meaningful way to respond to it.

>>42339766
it's probably a basic psychology textbook, they talk about trannies in those
>>42339780
the Littman section is pretty egregious but it does at least make it clear that PARENTS believe something. Probably should mention those parents were recruited from trans-hate websites

>not all transgender people experience gender dysphoria
this is honestly the most cooked part lmao

>>42339814
wait wheres the rogd like in which pic

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In case you forgot about the COVID pandemic, science is fake. They just change it to suit whatever they want you to think.

>>42339749
oh This was the part with rogd at the bottom
tbhon you couldve only posted this one and people wouldve understood but the rest is still kinda funny

>>42339918
i'm starting to believe...

>>42339918
>twitter randos lying means the scientific method is debunked and I get to ignore research I’ve never bothered to read anyway

>>42339749
I don't think social explanations are completely bunk though. It clearly explains a subset of people identifying as trans. Maybe not precisely what is offered here which is some John Money shit but I think "trans" as it exists today is both a social and a biological phenomenon.

>>42339883
Theres a difference between memes on 4chan, and literal education boards that grade exams saying it.

Come on anon, you know they teach this stuff just to marginalise is further

>>42339893
We are a voiceless minority. Its crazy when i talk to normies "the trans have taken over!" Can you name a trans celebrity? Can you name a publication thats pro trans? What new rights have trans people got in the last 10 years?

Not one, and i talked to a lot of normies, not a single one could answer any of those questions yet they were convinced Britian bent over backwards to help trans people

>>42339976
Everything contains a social element, its incapable since humans are social creatures. You just have to compare europe to the UK/USA, to south america to south east asia. Look how gender non conforming people are treated in each case.

This rhetoric is ultimately designed to do one thing and thats delegitimise us.

>>42339918
Science in the UK isnt even allowed to use the scientific model, they banned research into anything trans related, sociological or medical.

Remember the US does everything over the top, Trump goes on TV, "We're putting an end to this harmful ideology". The UK bans it and says nothing, its more insidious and harder to fight. Similar to how now its illegal for doctors to prescribe any hrt, a simple policy change in the NHS wasnt even announced.

>>42340094
> Theres a difference between memes on 4chan, and literal education boards that grade exams saying it.
Except my point was that different communities independently observed and described the same phenomenon. That makes it a lot more likely that it’s a real phenomenom and not made up.

Also, in the rogd study, are you saying the parents observed signs, but lie and deny it, or that they did not observe signs, but that it doesnt matter that they did not?

>>42340167
>Except my point was that different communities independently observed and described the same phenomenon

Anon, theres a difference between an anonymous troll website saying something, and academia. Inagine if they made students sit exams on how n*ggers are violent savages, and your justification was "well 4chan said it too".

We know that neurological sex is fixed and cannot be changed, thanks John Money

>>42340167
>Also, in the rogd study, are you saying the parents observed signs, but lie and deny it, or that they did not observe signs, but that it doesnt matter that they did not?

The word "study" doing a lot of heavy lifting. She went on a couple terf websites and asked "were there any signs?"

Its a classic question based on discrimination.

>>42340746
If you want the link, here you

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0214157

>>42340094
>We are a voiceless minority
i don't know if i would ever find anything to represent me and also enjoy being a social aberration. i do like living and having autonomy of course but i like to not be able to name a trans celebrity or publication that is pro trans

>>42339740
this first pic is really good and actually scientific
>>42339749
>>42339756
these are pseudoscience except the biological research part

not that bad tbhon

>>42340809
Missing the point anon. I've seen positive news segments on american tv accurately and calmly explaining why hormones are important from a young age.

The UK media is calling for violence in the streets with no push back. That's my point anon. The british public have nothing to counter the negative propaganda.

You want to be left alone, so do i, but the UK govts number one concern is destroying trans people, its the primary concern of every institution.

>>42339883
yeah transtrender refers to people using tranny status as a "trend" and immidiately dropping it once they get flack or can get flack

>>42339756
>>42339740
>>42339749
are you studying psych? it was always retardation

>>42340094
I guess I should clarify that despite not having kids myself I've managed to knowingly interact with two young adult detransitioners.
One only socially transitioned so no harm, no foul. Her sibling is an adolescent FTM femboy.
The other actually took testosterone long enough for her voice to drop. (I don't remember if she started before or after turning 18.) Thankfully she's at piece with it.
Another adolescent I know is a feminine-presenting theyfab. No medical transition so again no harm no foul if they change their mind.
But you see where I'm going, right?
Yes it's absolutely being weaponized to de-legitimize all trans people and no I don't think that's fair. But denying reality isn't going to help.
I think it's vital that people who need treatment get it as soon as possible, but it's just as vital that we don't give minors life-altering drugs when they're just exploring their own identity. Which is a thing middle schoolers have been doing since middle schoolers were invented.

There is no neutral option. Even puberty blockers are only shown to be safe in short-term courses (2 years or less). It's worth spending the effort to maximize the odds you choose the option that doesn't ruin the kid's life.

The real problem is the truth no longer matters at all and they'll come for us no matter what we do, and no matter what evidence we present that trans people are literally born this way.

>>42339740
Demented groomers! Every accusation is a confession! But difference is we want the truth to be told and get equal chance at life and all make it become passoids and live life. But we are being gangstalked by most psychopathic lunatics on the planet! No amount of the bullshit excuses they cling onto is real, it is all bullshit!

>>42341193
>But denying reality isn't going to help.
reality that sacrificing future lives of all trannies in order to protect potential 1-2% from making a mistake is deeply retarded?
Why is a deep voice not a cause for concern for a transgender woman if it is for a cisgender woman?
Why is terminal hair not that?
Trannies shouldn't pay for people either being retarded or being retarded and becoming a "born again christian" after taking brain-damaging doses of shrooms

>>42341334
1-2% is a number pulled from thin air.

>>42340906
i mean i'm not going to discourage anyone from disliking that (i'm not friends with any activists because it seems to consume their life) but i'm also not sure what my own capacity to effect anything by knowing is. you are correct in that it is bad, obviously.

>>42341193
afabs and amabs are categorically different when it comes to trans shit, since afabs are coddled to such an extent that "heehee my gender adventure" retards are being allowed to be retards, and later using their female privilege to fuck shit up for everyone else (mtfs and actual ftms)
the solution is not to let the rabid manhaters and tranny derangement syndrome useful idiots have their way (in the process creating more hons and getting more ammo), but to tailor the approaches to the actual desistance rates (indeed 1%ish iirc, when hrt is started a tiny bit after the start of puberty), and implementing what is pragmatic on the afab side to both reduce retard whamen being retards, and reduce the fallout from them jewing shit up in typical woman fashion
and also gassing the radfems, conservacucks, and those that puppeteer them, naturally

>>42340906
gotta make that scapegoat even scarier as the economic conditions are getting worse after brexiting themselves
if only we could actually get punishment for the idiots that gambled with that (cameron etc), and the idiots that thought they'd just win some political points but it'd go nowhere (boris farage etc), and the scum that pushed for it so they can bribe politicians more easily (murdoch et al)

>>42339766
You know they "quote him" (actually just make shit up) to discredit him and his valuable methods? The people who wrote this slop would give you A+ for your evaluation of freud!

>>42341365
Correct, its around 0.8%

>>42339740
that slide is accurate though isn't it? everything we have says it's like an intersex condition in the brain

>>42340094
>Can you name a trans celebrity?
Lynn Conway, Hotrapoints, Abigail
>What new rights have trans people got in the last 10 years?
To change legal sex without prior surgical intervention.

>>42341975
>To change legal sex without prior surgical intervention.
What year?

>>42341975
>Lynn Conway
Rip
>Hotrapoints
Not British
>Abigail
Literal GCHQ asset

>>42342043
2017
You did not say British. Everything I said is true, you are a shill.

I think they wouldn't be so terfy if brexit didn't happen.

>>42339861
Imagine campaigning against the rights of your daughter who was fucking murdered by transphobic assholes. Imagine being so fucking British that your daughter is stabbed to death and your response is to make life worse for everyone else like her.

>>42339895
Tbf there are trans people who transitioned due to PAIS or primary hypogonadism. Also transmaxxers tbhon. As long as they transition happily (and actually, y'know, TRANSITION) I don't really care why.