Looks like dismissing the "What is a woman?" question for so long ended up biting us in the ass
>>42340129It sure isn’t a biological homosexual male
Yeah who knew "a woman is whoever says they're one" doesn't hold up in court?
A woman is an adult human who lacks y chromosomes in the majority of her cells.
>>42340150so women with swyer syndrome are men?
>>42340173correct, as are caissies if you met them in person, they would have subtle but apparent masculine traits absent in chromosomal females
>>42340129I kept warning people about this but everyone called me a pickme or some retarded shit like that
>>42340129no i think it was the multitudes of layers of mental illness
>>42340145>the self ID meme singlehandedly killed trans rightsBased. Maybe now people will listen.
>>42340188that literally isn't true? people with cais can't grow facial hair, neither can people with swyer syndrome. also some women with sywer syndrome have given birth...so men can give birth?
>>42340188do you think caisies should have their safety jeopardized by having them use the men's restroom?
>>42340129People have been giving answers but it's all YWNBAW
>>42340238For curiosity's sake what do you think a woman is?
>>42340231I think we should knock down the walls that separate the sexes and end every single instance of sex segregation across the globe. Men and women can be naked in the same room, even where there are no stalls or dividers. >people with cais can't grow facial hairsome women grow fucking beards are they men lol>so men can give birth?if they have swyer's AND you somehow build a womb from their undifferentiated mullerian tissue and THEN implant a donor egg, apparently yes otherwise no, unless you count chimeras as men, but they are quite canonically non-binary the real problem is the world cannot process the concept of intersex people who are closer to their birth sex
>>42340263you're such a retard. swyer syndrome isn't mosaicism dumbass. they're not chimeras they're xy people without an SRY gene so they develop phenotypically female
>>42340260For simplicity's sake, an adult human female. Trans women are schrödinger's women but their status as even that much is undecidable in light of the social controversy.
>>42340129>"NOOO IF ONLY WE DEBATED THEM BETTER WE WOULD BE FINE"they dont give a shit, these are not real people. they're retarded scared bloodthirsty animals who want to kill us. the sadistic desires will always take primacy over rationality
>>42340396How many dumbfuck attourneys making asses of themselves in front of the supreme court is it gonna take before you realize that shutting yourself off in echo chambers and censoring anyone who questions you is not the smartest idea?
>>42340308the reality is its secondary and primary sex characteristics and how people treat you breasts, vulva, female fat distro, and how you're veiwed and treated by society
>>42340419If you retards had a general culture of engaging with sceptical people you wouldn't be in this mess to begin with. Say bye to trans sports, idiot.
>>42340445The reality is that even if you look and act the part, your womanhood is conditional and can be stripped away by the community. It's why stealth exists as a concept and the idea of 'losing stealth' is scary to those who attain it. Simply being known as trans is enough to put your gender into question by others. That's why it is undecidable. There is no logical argument which will hold valid for all cases. It is truly a case by case basis type thing.
I don't know what a woman is but there's no way of defining it to include both cis women and trans women.
>>42340260NTA but it's a social construct. typically it's an adult human female but we've seen that's not all people intuitively classify as women for millennia in the case of intersex people, genetically trans people after HRT are intersex despite not having a DSD due to differences in phenotype, this means they should be treated the same and viewed as basically just their gender or whatever they most seem like
>>42340129i didn't dismiss shit
>>42340451oh no not trans sports o algo
definitions are a spookyou can't define a tree in a way that encompasses all things considered to be trees without resorting to "what people think is a tree"
>>42340396The purpose of debate is to win over the undecided people.>>42340512 You could have a definition of women that includes cis and trans women, but the trick is in defining trans women. The trouble is in our side's refusal to invalidate anyone's identify.
>>42340129What is happen?
>>42341158This isn't a lofty philosophical question, this is a real issue being fought over in our legal system. Even if you can't create a perfectly satisfying definition of tree in a philosophical sense, if you make it illegal to cut down trees then there has to be an objective standard of what constitutes a tree within that law.
>>42340188funnily enough, despite your tranny derangement syndrome, CAISfags tend to be more fem than the femmiest of women (can't grow terminal hair etc)
>>42341158You don't need a perfect definition, just a good answer to the question. Trees and females and even female trees can be considered rationally in their organic functions. The question if trans women are women is different because its not scientific. It's like, can women be priests? Only religious people can answer that. Even if some women meet the spiritual qualifications they wont become priests unless given that position by others.
>>42340308what is a female?
>>42341425Someone born with ovaries
>>42341461what is sufficient to count as an ovary? are XX humans born with a uterus and an externally normal vagina but with streak gonads instead of functioning ovaries female?
>>42341775No.
>>42340129>we Uh huh>dismissingWe didn’t dismiss it. We have been answering this for years. Just because you don’t like our answers doesn’t mean we aren’t answering it. Are bait posters even trying anymore?
>>42341782what if, by some method yet to be developed, those streak gonads could be induced to develop into functioning ovaries? under your definition, this individual would still not be female. what is the justification for sex only being evaluable at birth and not by looking at the individual's current state?
>>42340129They didn't dismiss it. They wanted to be politics first, definition second, that jumped around to whatever political goal they wanted, and THAT bit them in the ass. >>42340145And if it DID hold up, that would create entirely new and unimaginable ways of fucking over the hons. >>42340231Paraphyles trying to ride on the coattales of rare genetic disorders.
>>42341234>The purpose of debate is to win over the undecided people.There's more to it than that polemic boy. It's also to test and strengthen ideas and arguments. >You could have a definition of women that includes cis and trans women, but the trick is in defining trans women. The trouble is in our side's refusal to invalidate anyone's identify....and if the basis of female sports is segregation based on bodies, womens sports become cis womens sports, and that's not going to be acceptable to the hons.
>>42341944>and if the basis of female sports is segregation based on bodies, womens sports become cis womens sports,no, because transitioning changes your bodythe problem is the "trans community" refusing to define trans, not refusing to define women.
>>42341855The justification is the reproductive purpose of sex and the pragmatism of enforcement. Hypothetically, if there were a way to fix streak gonads, or if IVG becomes a thing, or artificial wombs, etc, then the reproductive sexual roles would be distributed differently and my definition of female would change.
>what is a womanA feminine presenting person with strong female traits present>is there a difference between bio women and Trans women Yes. That's why we are called trans womenCall me a gay man say ywnbaw at this point I could really care less. I know who I am and what I am and im tired of being told that "ummm ackshully" bs like believe what you wanna believe i dont care. The cringe full beard trannys going into women's restrooms and saying us girls need to stick together anyone have a tampon in a deep booming voice built like a brick in a sundress with the outline of their cock present is why were in this mess. I miss back when there where just trans people and people said ha gay but generally took the trannys who take their transition semi seriously or didnt care. Now its a big deal.
A women is a whore
