i might be straight.> be me> transbisexual> assume i'm demisexual?(relevant)> know no man would ever want me (197cm)> "good thing your bi Nona. you should probably just go with other trans girls hahaha"i'm told this a lot.for some reason this makes me cry a lot even though it's true.> years pass, become semipassoid (as good as i can hope for)> get a girlfriend> sexual stuff is always requested by her> feels very icky to me but I assumed I was demi and just hadn't warmed up yet> after months realize not once have i been attracted to her body STILL> constantly dissociated with her> fantasize about men the more horny i actually am> find myself wishing we were besties who didn't have to do this sex stuff> realize all my past relationships (transbians) did not work and i wished they all were just friends> was always me getting them off and i only ever faked it> realize idk why i even thought i was bi in the first place> i don't think i'm demi i think i've just been with women and i don't like female bodiesfmstl> do not want to leave my girlfriend for a man.> do not want to leave my girlfriend period> she is pretty nice aside from her gender and sexual preferences> completely willing to pretend to be into her but i worry that's unfair> even if i did leave no man would want me the right way> also men seem awful and hussies have it far worse> also have never been with a man they are aliens> also if i left she would kill herself so..how do i cure this please help me
pro tip: don't put "transbian" in the subject field otherwise people might assume you're office retard
Gonna be real even if you don't end up with a man here it seems unfair to force a relationship that clearly isn't working for you. It's not fair to her or you
oh also> don't take progace (+ butterflies at straight kissing)> take progwant to be impregnated (by a man)
>>42344654what is an office in this context? :(>>42344681FUCKKKK DONT SAY THAT
>>42344708>what is an office in this context? :(oh my sweet summer child, it is best you remain blissfully unaware
> ugly men's bodies (80% tbqh)maybe i am gay> cute men's bodies (fluffy hair + not skinny or obese)needneeeedneed to lay on chest> women's bodies (99%)ok> specific kind of pretty for women's bodiesGIWTWM I HATE YOUUUUUU KYS WHY DON'T I LOOK LIKE THAT I WILL KILL MYSELF I WILL SKIN MY FLESH OFF FOR THIS BEUATY(this is the strongest emotion i feel ever and my driving desire behind almost every goal i set for myself so maybe that's why i get confused)
>>42344708It's what you gotta hear, nona. You're not gonna get much happiness out of life if you stay with someone you're intimately incompatible with. After that give dating a guy a shot and see how it works for you. You gotta figure yourself out before you can try for something serious
>>42344714> contexthat.jpg> vaguepost_king.png> trustmeyoudontwannaknow.kysplsss tell me :pleading: plss you can't say that my curiosity will never be sated pleaseeeeeee
>>42344747It's a man trolling on this board, his threads always have "transbian ..." as the subject and he posts about rape and other things to make transbians look bad. There's usually at least 3 threads up at the same time. Most people have him filtered out. So putting "transbian" in your subject field might get you filtered out too.
>>42344628why do i need to be picrel on right so bad
>>42344695REAL I NEED TO GET PREGNANT RIGHT THIS SECOND
>>42344729what if i never ever find anyone again and the world is ending and i die alone and without help. what if a man never loves me. i don't think a man ever will. not in the way she does. t4t is pure. i feel this.i just want to love her back the same :(also to complicate matters:> she is gigabpd> completely friendless (not her fault)> she is going to put me on her company insurance.selfishly golddig and keep this going for srsussy?or leave her to kill be a suirisk and lose her job....
I would make you feel good but I'm 173cm
>>42344803>173cmlol, lmao even
>>42344800Girl you are seriously overthinking this, trust me. You'll find a man if you actually try, and you probably shouldn't stress over stuff you can't control. You need to look out for your own happiness, and sometimes it's scary I get it. If I can pull a dude so can you
>>42344766oh ugh.see WHY do i have to like moid bodies. so many are just annoying chuds.>>42344785i'm not on it right now thankfully lol. i get where u are coming from.. RIP nona
>>42344803> butno it's like. that's fine i don't actually carei don't think other tall women care really nearly as much173 is perfect hugging height :)>>42344822okay lets say i did decide to leave. even if i can find a man.there are implications to this. what it would do to her. what it means for me.she's like.. housing as well if i need (i don't right now but i might soon)there's... definitely an imbalance and i really don't want to use her. but i really really want health insurance so i can go to the doctors. if i could just fall in love it would be okay.that's what i need to do...
>>42344846Jesus, how long have you been with this broad thst you've basically become her dependant??
>>42344825See I get cranky if I'm not on it and I just need to stay on it. Maybe once I get an orchi I'll try without it.
>>42344853It's only been a few months .. and these r all things that haven't happened yet but have been promised.it's just like. i'm a poorfag and she's richoid moving up in her company. so... idk. not that i mind that.it just makes it harder to say no... knowing it could be the rest of my life without treatment. but that's selfish too desu...she wants me to uhaul but i'm pushing back.
>>42344861i haven't been eating and i have a limited supply so i ration it until i have food... i don't want to waste it.i can't really sleep well without it tho :(> foodoh yeah that's also something else she'd help with...
>>42344872LADY. LEAVE. WHY WOULD YOU INTENTIONALLY MAKE URSELF INSEPERABLE FROM HER IF THIA RELATIONSHIP ISNT WORKING
>>42344800If you keep this going you are only going to hurt everyone way more. Dunno find a male prostitute and see if its better? Of course first tell your so your issues and that maybe a try could help you see if you are actually transbian or a straightoid.Also that art is repugnante.
>>42344811Med bvlls are the greatest lovers it's not even disputed. We know how to treat a woman.>>42344846Location?
>>42344936I DIDN'T REALIZE IT!ALSO SHE OFFERED ALL OF THIS AND MORE LIKE WEEK 1!I'M LITERALLY JUST FIGURING OUT I MIGHT BE A STRAGGOT.> visit friend(wb?)> day 2, practically offers hand in marriage as well as a solution to all of the problems i'm facing in life> day 3, literally offers hand in marriageLIKE IDK!!!! I THOUGHT I LIKED HER I GENUINELY DID AND IT WAS SO MUCH HOPE.i just need to go back to thinking i like her>>42344961lowkey that would also crush her :(> Also that art is repugnante.nuh uh it's cute t4t hon sisterhood <3very wholesome unironically :)
>>42345017okay wait pls i need more messages like this.this is helping.
>>42345043WAIT she offered to basically be your sugar mommy in week one of the relationship? This didn't strike you as a codependency red flag to you?? Again: LEAVVEEEEE
>>42344628>transbisexualso you're AGP>realize all my past relationships (transbians) did not work and I wished they all were just friends>not attracted to transbian gfThe answer? You're attracted to women (female), and attracted to men (males) due to meta-attraction, i.e. they make you feel like a woman. TW are not female, so you have little base attraction to them, and because they're female-presenting they don't activate your meta attraction.Your best bet is to look for a cis bi woman or detroon. That's my honest advice
>>42344628Just share a bf like 90% of transbian relationships
>>42345049Wat
>>42345074I MEAN it wasn't like that.. explicit.it was more like> wow i love you marry me also wait omg i can help you do all this stuff!!!only later did i learn about> btw i'm an active suicide risk because i have no one also you are the only thing i look forward tobut that's after we traumadumped so it's okay...>>42345103>so you're AGPyeah duh: >>42344725>The answer? You're attracted to women (female), and attracted to men (males) due to meta-attraction, i.e. they make you feel like a woman.i'm trying to internalize this so hard. i genuinely thought this was true.but like why do i want to lick a mans pecs and lay on his chest and feel his biceps. and hold his vascular strong hands (or have them feel me...) like feel his strength. even if he's not super strong or kinda pudgy.. like skinny toned thighs or like scruffy shaved skin or fluffy hair that i can run my fingers through ... SJDLKFJKLDSi hate it i don't want to want this.> TW are not female, so you have little base attraction to them, and because they're female-presenting they don't activate your meta attraction.i mean cis women make me feel nothing at all though so i don't see why even the most passing stealth trans woman would. this doesn't rly make sense lol
>>42345152it makes me less attracted to men <3
>>42345201If you can't wake the hell up and walk out of this nightmare I really don't know what to tell youGood luck but girl you're gonna wish you left sooner if you let this go on
>>42345211Ouch, you expected me to take that anon sitting down?
>>42345240pls continue
>>42345201>why do I want to lick a mans pecs and lay on his chest and feel his biceps. and hold his vascular strong hands ... like feel his strengthit's meta-attraction. The contrast between his hard chest, biceps, vascular hands, and strength compared to your body which is affected by HRT makes you feel feminine. Also, due to comphet, being with a man period makes you feel feminine.>cis women make me feel nothing at allso you've never been attracted to cis women in your life? what about pre-transition? didn't you say you were bi?
>>42345259I don't think you need to worry about not liking men, anon.
>>42345218i'm only saying the bad parts there r good parts too.. :(>>42345269okay wait is there a way to get rid of meta-attraction? since it's effectively comphet?> so you've never been attracted to cis women in your life? what about pre-transition? didn't you say you were bi?that's what i'm confused about desu. i'm kinda figuring this out right now....i get nervous around women i guess? but a lot of that is motivated by fear of scaring her or making her uncomfortable.i know i get very very jealous of women who i aspire to be like. maybe that's actually just like some weird agp fetish.. idk. but it's not hot. it makes me sad.the kind of women i think i like are:> tall (actually tall) so we can see eye to eye> stronger than me> muscles> hairier> protective> flat (or flatter than me)> deep voice> sees me as a woman> not transphobic at all> leftist which rules out almost all cis women. men (cis or trans) and trans woman still fit that so i just called myself bi.is it possible to be meta-attracted to women?ps: yes i'm aware now how horrible this sounds towards trans women. i'm sorry :(
>>42345418Yeah no shit nona even in the worst relationships there's good bits doesn't mean it's worth sticking it out. If the biggest reason you want to stay with her is for your own security you should seriously consider why
>>42345304all men r chudsall men hate meiwnbs(traight)all men r evil and grossall men r ungroomed and smellyall men r annoying on imageboardsall men r bigotsall men r stupidall men r reactionaryi do not want a mani do not want a mani do not want a mancuddling a man who is kind and normal is a gooner meta-attracted agp fantasy i am too tall for meni am too tranny for meni am too ugly for meni am a transbian!!!
>>42345437Why do you hate me so? We could have been happy. I didn't ask anon to bully me for being short.
>>42345462i was referring to > locationcreepiness btw...also picrel is such ropefuel even if i have an ass like that ppl will still call me a tranny 4 being tall :(
>>42345481Good luck resting your head on my hairy pec from the other side of earth though amirite?
>>42345418comphet is a misnomer here, it really only applies to cis women. What I mean is that because "woman" is so heavily associated with being attracted to men, it activates the meta attraction.>is it possible to be meta attracted to women?No, not for ppl born male. It sounds like the kind of woman you like is just a woman who isn't as feminine as you. Perhaps being with a feminine woman is ego dystonic? I.e. she makes you feel too masculine in comparison, which upsets your sense of identity. Also, it's common in transbisexuals to have an inclination towards perceived heterosexuality, i.e. someone who dated women pretransition will mostly date men post transition now that they think of themselves as a woman.The real question though is what your attraction to women was like before you realized you were trans. Did you grow up being attracted to girls and having sexual thoughts about them?
>>42345504grr>>42345509> it's a misnomerokay i might have used the wrong term..i get meta is the fetishizing dynamics one, and comphet is just thinking that way bc straight is the default.but what is the term for when it's neither a fetish, nor an "egg assuming they r the default" situation? what is the word for where you force yourself into it even though you aren't... anyways if it really IS some fetish .. there's gotta be a way to unlearn it then and i can start liking my gf.>>is it possible to be meta attracted to women?> No, not for ppl born male> she makes you feel too masculine in comparison, which upsets your sense of identity.isn't that just... meta attraction then? if i want to be the woman in the relationship? > Also, it's common in transbisexuals to have an inclination towards perceived heterosexualitymaybe? but i worry that was actually just comphet pre-transition?? idkkkk.But no I never actually dated or got with someone. That grossed me out when my parents pushed that on me.i just kinda assumed it had to happen some day but avoided thinking about it.> The real question though is what your attraction to women was like before you realized you were trans. Did you grow up being attracted to girls and having sexual thoughts about them?No.. not that I can think of. (though I'm not disgusted either like some straights are so it's fine)Romantic stuff later ig?My only sexual thoughts were of boys doing stuff to me as a woman... (tho being a woman isn't hot to me)not sure if that is AGP or HSTS but maybe it's a Meta thing.I had a crush on a boy but I remember freaking out about that and praying a lot.I also got nervous around a girl though too.idkkkkkk fuck
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>>42345732AGP isn't a black and white phenomenon. It's just the propensity for a person born male to become aroused at the thought or image of themself as a woman. It's present in cis men and trans women. There's the classic AGPs who have a history of fetishistic crossdressing from a young age, but a lot of the younger TW don't have this history but still experience AGP. Perhaps in the classic AGP scenario it could be classified as a fetish? But for many younger TW today I think it's better described as a psychosexual orientation. Also importantly AGP involves romantic as well as sexual aspects, this is why the drive to transition remains even after your libido is nuked by E.Meta-attraction is just a manifestation of AGP in behavior, it's not really a fetish. And there are genuinely bisexual AGPs (but very few ppl born male are truly bisexual, most are either heterosexual or homosexual). Meta-attraction is also usually very tied in with your gender identity.>isn't that just meta-attraction then? if i want to be the woman in the relationship?No, meta-attraction is when a TW who (if tested in a lab) is primarily female-attracted will seek out sex with cis men because it provides validation of her gender identity and arousal since occupying the female role in sex with a cis man triggers the AGP.Not wanting to be with feminine women because it disrupts your identity / is ego dystonic is a separate phenomenon, you could maybe characterize it as the opposite of meta-attraction.>My only sexual thoughts were of boys doing stuff to me as a womanYes, that sounds like AGP. It's likely that you are attracted to cis women from what you've said, but have strong meta-attraction to men. (If you don't have any desire to be with a man as a man, even when you didn't "know" you were trans yet, that's probably not HSTS).Don't believe the TERF lies abt AGP=trooning for a fetish or the troon lies that AGP=evil transphobic debunked ideology.
>>42344628I stopped reading at "197cm" to inform you that I am a small sized transgender and it would be funny if we dated because of the height difference. That is all. Thank you for reading
>>42346348>AGP isn't a black and white phenomenon. It's just the propensity for a person born male to become aroused at the thought or image of themself as a woman. It's present in cis men and trans women. There's the classic AGPs who have a history of fetishistic crossdressing from a young age, but a lot of the younger TW don't have this history but still experience AGP.AGP lore wow. thank you for your wisdom.> for many younger TW today I think it's better described as a psychosexual orientation.huh. and. it's not a fetish? so like what makes it psychosexual orientation? also i have a normal orientation too..at what point is it just part of my ego and my identity?> Meta-attraction is also usually very tied in with your gender identity.interesting. interesting.thoughts on transbians / transbis into yaoi> Not wanting to be with feminine women because it disrupts your identity / is ego dystonic is a separate phenomenon, you could maybe characterize it as the opposite of meta-attraction.i have both meta attraction and the opposite of meta attraction> It's likely that you are attracted to cis women from what you've saidinteresting why do you say this?> but have strong meta-attraction to men.that's good news desu okay yay> (If you don't have any desire to be with a man as a man, even when you didn't "know" you were trans yet, that's probably not HSTS).it's complicated bc i don't want to retcon things but also i know that anything homo was violently suppressed.i know i had a crush on a guy for years that made me very upset. but i know i called myself straight that whole time
>>42346733>what makes it a psychosexual orientationokay, it's probably better described as a paraphilia. But I think it's a bit reductive when describing trans women because in transition AGP morphs into something that doesn't really resemble other paraphilias, and also tends to subsume your identity in a way other paraphilias don't.>also I have a normal orientation toowhat do you mean?>at what point is it just part of my ego and my identityIt depends, for some people the AGP is very ego/identity-dependent, for others it's just a fixed part of their sexuality.>thoughts on transbians/transbis into yaoiSome AGP trans women have strong aversion to males leftover from when they were straight men or just strongly prefer women / don't experience that much meta attraction so they read yaoi>why do I say you're probably female-attractedbecause AGP is a variant of male heterosexuality, my opinion (speculative) is that almost all female-attracted TW are AGP.>anything homo was violently suppressedit's possible, but TW are notorious for retconning their life histories to fit with their identity, so I can't really say
>>42346394Ik u didn't mean anything by it but this lowkey broke me i was so mad and upset but this helped me figure it out thx nona.I would 100% be straight if i were short/passing.I'm not and everything I'm doing in life is to cope with that.
