The year is 2043. Troonism has finally been solved. It was true what Powers figured: It was all mostly due to genetic and hormonal anomalies. However, Blanchard was of course also in the end accepted as partly correct: Autosexuality is more common amongst trooners and pooners. This is however not what ultimately caused dysphoria. Similar to how siblings who grow up together don't tend to develop sexual feelings for eachother, most cis homosexuals aren't attracted to just being their sex, or the cultural artifacts associated with it. However, the gynephilic trooners and androphilic pooners had something in common with siblings growing up in separate homes, or even countries: The can develop sexual feelings for the similar other. For the separated siblings, the anomalous object of attraction was the other sibling, but for the troonies and poonies, it was instead the nature and culture that they were "supposed" to have had forced upon them all their life, like normal people, but in the end didn't, because of their actual sex. AGP is what happens most often when a person with both a female identity and attraction to females/feminitity grows up without it, and AAP what happens when a person with a male identity and attraction to males/masculinity grows up without it.
You know people are going to be like "haha schizo" but your explanation of autosexuality is an angle I don't ever remember seeing before and is really interesting
>>42351299I don't see what's particularly "schizo" about it. I see it as the copefueled "AGP is gynephilic trannies fetishising dysphoria feelings cope something something" that anti-blanchardists tout. But with an explanation that fits into a larger system. Blanchardism has a very coherent and logical system, until you reach the question "why is HSTS as dysphoric as AGP?", and the whole system fails. Mind you, I have only read the blanchardists; Blanchard, Lawrence, Illy, and then everything posted by dr. Powers. I have not read Serano or whoever else there is in that camp. I believe those people are "queer theorists", which does not sound very attractive. But I might be wrong. I prefer hard science explanations as far as they go: After all, I trooned out due to SEX dysphoria, not GENDER dysphoria
>>42351706Serano is about as scientific as Blanchard tbhon. Only one that's really valid to look at is Powers because it's much more empirical rather than ideological.
>>42351706I'm not calling it schizo, just predicting that people are going to come in here and say that. It's an original thought you had and I think it's an interesting idea for sure
>>42351299>>42351210>AGP is what happens most often when a person with both a female identity and attraction to females/feminitity grows up without femininityi've been around for 5-6 years and this is a pretty common take from ex-reppers who transitioned and more or less adjusted to the real world
>>42352211AGPs are in fact punished HSTSs yes.
>>42351820it's not original anon, but yeah, OP made a good post.>>42351706>I believe those people are "queer theorists", which does not sound very attractiveserano's "whipping girl" is pretty good honestly. I can understand being scared off by an unattractive transbian, but pls try to look past that./lgbt/ has this thing where people prefer "hard truths", which usually just means they steer towards self-hating attitudes. Please understand that this bias isn't any different from the hugboxy "everyone is valid!" bullshit>I prefer hard science explanationsi agree with >>42351738 Serano is about as scientific as Blanchard. It's all vibes through and through: "ugly and autistic=bad, pretty and normie=good".plus don't forget that we haven't really figured out gay people yet, and they are a lot simpler than whatever the fuck is going on with dysphoric people, so I wouldn't get my hopes up for an actual "scientific" explanation as to why we are the way we are.
>>42352674I'm priviledged, biologically lucky enough to not have a need for conventional hugboxing. I can be honest and say I DO have autogynephilic tendencies, especially as an adult, due to some circumstances. I try to just seek the truth, now that I've reached my 10 year trooning crisis. I'm very skeptical of social sciences in general. Yeah maybe the hard science is my own little hugbox...t. midshit megagynephilic HSTS-bodied AGP
>>42353627>I try to just seek the truth, now that I've reached my 10 year trooning crisiswhat do you mean? an identity crisis after 10 years of transitioning?
>>42353940Yeah like when you've trooned like 40% of your life and you find that few things about your story in regards to sex in body and life turned out particularly ideal. Suddenly floating in the aether and triggered by an autosexual session, feeling like a perverse faker, you change into a neurotically fixated machine needing the truth about why you ended up like you did, from conception to present. You know, that kinda thing
>>42352337idk sounds like hsts are punished agp, given it comes from being repressed instead of being themselves.
>>42354047Nah AGPs are the punished ones in that they don't pass the initial arbitrary vibe check growing up and are bullied into hiding their femininity.
>>42354010I feel like I did this in my first year of trooning out tbhon.
>>42354092>dont get bullied>giga youngshit passoid>lesbianthis is still agp
>>42354010>>42354010>the truth about why you ended up like you did, from conception to presentdid the answer "you were born this way" never satisfy you?i've been at it for 6 years, and it's only 20% of my life, but my brother said he also "considered" transitioning "when he was younger", so I fully believe the tranny-gene cope.
>>42354114Half of the "AGP" criteria outlined by Blanchard has to do with age and observed femininity lmao
>>42354150wait, so blanchard is retarded and incoherent. how can a lesbian be exclusively into men lmfao
>>42354172>Blanchard is retarded and incoherentYesExactly
>>42354130>I fully believe the tranny-gene cope.beside this:- i also never could get into straight sex (and I REALLY tried, while trying to date girls to conform while in my shithole of a country where even normie gays came out super late)- fantasized about magically being turned into a girl since i was about 8 years old,- was always uncomfortable with boners as a teenager, was afraid of touching myself, and actually first lost my virginity, then started jerking offso this might seem silly, but i fully believe "i was born this way" and that trannybrain is some in utero brain curse
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>>42354130>you were born this wayDoesn't make sense without further explanation. It sounds like hugboxing. I very much fit a ROGD-AGP in development: Abnormal amounts of feminine behaviours in childhood, but still more masculine/neutral overall. No clear desire to literally be a girl until mid puberty. Sexual fantasies either AGP (aka, simply being female/not explicitly male during sex) or voyeuristic (second or simultaneous second and first person). Dissatified with being male. Some boys consistently show unsympathetic attitudes towards girls. In the end panic about the prospect of virilisation (my puberty was kinda weak and I was apparently tanner 5 at this point already) and troon out at 15. I was lowkey born to be a theyfab lol (or rather, the archetype of autistic girl with mostly male friends in childhood who becomes distanced from them in puberty)Fast forward 10 years & I regret nothing. I can't imagine living as a man, that seems very unfitting for me. I've been an srsoid for 6 years and love it. Dysphoric over my small boobies (runs in the family) and my divine wombenvy.I saw contra's AGP video back in the day. I recognised myself in some things but I didn't care if I was fake or not back then, I was just locked in on trooning so I didn't have to become a man. I was almost always in love with a girl as a teen, and being in love with a lady makes me feel very feminine. Now I haven't been in love with a woman for years and have become quite autosexual as a result. Something I saw as very shameful and denied, until one day I was too horny to do. Yeah whatever bla bla & then Powers gave a more detailed explanation for how people may be born this way. And now I'm waiting for the DNA kit so I can figure out which Powers phenotype I am (I'm exclusively gynephilic but my skeleton looks gynoid in basicly every dimorphic detail which I'm greatly satisfied over, but I need to know why I am like this *neurotic fixation emoji*). Oh God I wish I were androphilic
>>42354190>Blanchard can't explain why HSTS has the same levels of dysphoria as AGP>Powers can't explain the euphoria bonerOnly synthesis anon-ism can fit it all into a coherent system
>>42354467why does powers need to explain someone just being excited?>get boner from the chill of fresh airblanchard: "you are an aeropedophile, you are aroused by young atmospheres"
>>42354467>gets a boner from excitementgee what a new phenomenon
>>42354433>troon out at 15gwitwm
>>42354433>troon out at 15it's kind of ironic how zoomers are so lucky to have all these resources and information about trannydom, they were teenagers at an unprecedented time when trannies were starting to get accepted, they didn't have to repress...and then they have these breakdowns and sometimes even detroom (I'm hoping you're smarter than this though)Millennials that had to go through full puberty and years of repression don't do this because they actually know what the alternative is, how damaging it is to repress.Im hoping you'll get through this without doing anything stupid
>>42354616Eh as a zoomer who did rep until 25 it's still easy to get these kinds of moments.
>>42354616I would never detroon, I'm very autoandrophobic and have a fully female ego, or whatever people say nowadays. No worry
i'm glad the blanchardites are hanging out and and having a fireplace chat again
