>almost 2 years on HRT>started at 19>perfect levels>still look like a cis manIt's over for me. My only hope is surgery which I will never be able to afford. No one will ever take me seriously as a woman, I'll just disgust everyone around me because I will never be anymore more than a short, skinny, nerdy looking man. Every one of my friends just pity passes me, telling me I look like a woman and that my brow or my chin don't matter and that "you can't even really see your Adam's apple!", but I know more about sexual dimorphism than them. I know what I see in the mirror. I would say I'm forced to boymode, but I'm not even cute enough for that.
>>42360445clear up your skin get some panties and ill still play pretend
>>42360445would still pat, hug and rape, though.Clean your skin, let your hair grow longer and save up for ffs.You'll be fine.Hugs.
>>42360452>>42360462I can always rely on /tttt/ to tell me the truth. I don't understand why people lie to me. Someone I know (who I'm not even very close with) told me he's seen women with bigger brow ridges. Like, what? You don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
If picrel is you you're exactly my type as a transbian passoidYour profile is literally that of a hot androgynous woman.
>>42360445you look androgynous to me. your browbone is literally the only clocky thing, so if you get that addressed at some point, youd be fine
>>42360484You guys don't know about the hon jaw>>42360473I have a boyfriend.
>>42360513yeah, seriously: clean your skin, let your hair longer and you'll be mostly fine.>I have a boyfriendOkay, then I can't rape, ig. Would still hug and pat.You're fine nona. Kill the brainworms and let the girl run wild.
>>42360550I can't be a woman until I look indistinguishable from a real woman. Otherwise, I'm just a larping man.
classic paul dano
>>42360513oh yeah, i see what you mean. at least your profile isnt bad. you have a short forehead/head, i dont think those bangs or glasses are flattering
>>42360558>indistinguishablethat's an impossible standard and you know it.most of cisfs don't look "indistinguishable" from a "real woman" (whatever the fuck that is anyway).Please don't confuse attractiveness with passing.You may not look like a 8/10 cisf, but that doesn't mean you can't look like a woman.Rape jokes aside, please stop being your worst enemy, nona.
>>42360513how do people like you get a boyfriend if you (think) are too ugly to pass as a woman??
>>42360445>>42360513Party on wayne
>>42360561>oh yeah, i see what you meanOh lol so I really do look like a man? That's what I've been fucking telling everyone, but they never listen to me.>i dont think those bangs or glasses are flatteringMe neither, and I've been told that several times. I'm going to get my hair styled soon, but I dunno what to do about the glasses. No glasses look good on me.>>42360573>that's an impossible standard and you know itNo it's not. I see trannies online every single day, tons of them, that look like cis women. They're even hotter than cis women. They look like the women cis women want to be. All I need is money and surgeries.This kind of biological relativism is what makes all the people I talk to about my facial structure completely retarded. They're like "women don't look one specific way!" Yes, but they have a general set range of features which they have, ones that are different from men. If they didn't, men and women would all look the same. Everyone would be androgynous. The fact of the matter is that no female's skull is shaped like mine.>>42360576He always gets mad at me when I call myself ugly or a man.>>42360580Based Garthposter always in my threads
>>42360608>I see trannies onlineNona, both trannies and cisfs anglefraud like crazy and use filters.Not a single Instagram/TikTok girl (trans or cis) looks that good IRL.>He always gets mad at me when I call myself ugly or a manTrust your boyfriend, nona. Trust his love.It pains me to see girls like you sabotaging themselves like that.
>>42360513Well your profile looked better I'm less interested >>42360608>biological relativismBro you work ar Walmart stop pretending like you're smart
>>42360608maybe you need to grow them out to curtain bangs instead. it's hard to say what frames would work better on your head shape, but i like the warby parker simon frames (but my head is like twice as long as yours so idk if it would fit you).i dont think youre totally fucked btw. just a couple features and two styling choices that can be changed
>>42360608i normally hate comments like >>42360668 but in this case it's warranted. to say "appearance is a spectrum" is not to say "men and women look the same." that's a strawman
>>42360684At the end of the day, I need FFS. Which, that's just very depressing. I won't be able to start my life until I'm able to get a surgery costing tens of thousands of dollars. I could maaaaaaybe get my insurance to cover a good surgeon, but still. That's years away. I don't know what to do with myself, it's so crushing knowing I can't be who I want to be, that I have to keep living in a costume. And just "styling things differently" is a cope. Obfuscation isn't a solution. Women don't have to hide the fact that they're a man.>>42360700The point is that no woman would look like me. It's biologically impossible unless they literally have something wrong with them.
>>42360700And she contradicts herself in the same breath by going "they're even better than cis women" clearly implying trannies tend to look different lol
>>42360720>clearly implying trannies tend to look differentThey look better in terms of reaching beauty standards that most cis women cannot. How do they do it? How do they look so beautiful?
>>42360732By taking care of themselves and not being self-defeating losers with a shit haircut and fried bleached hair
>>42360758None of that has to do with the shape of their skull and skeletons. The real answer is they're lucky. I'm unlucky. I could be unluckier, I've seen plenty of hons I'm happy to not look remotely like, but I could also be luckier. I'm not lucky enough. What are you supposed to do when you're not lucky enough? At least as a real woman, if you're not 10/10 peak beauty standards, you can rest on the fact that you, as a woman, are not defined by that. It's just a fact of life and reality that you're a woman. What is a tranny supposed to do? You aren't a woman, and the slightest imperfection, the slightest masculinity that shows through your facade, completely discredits and invalidates any claim you had to any kind of womanhood. Appearance is all that matters. Being perfect is all that matters. If you look even remotely like a man, you've failed.
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>>42360445What have you tried makeup and fashion-wise? Anything evolution with your hair? How often are you gendered female or is your argument for that "pity passing"? It sounds like you’ve gotten too comfortable at the halfway mark (bf, supportive friends, etc) and instead of pushing yourself further let dysphoria dig you into a hole of helplessness. Get a therapist anonette, one that’ll challenge you on this bullshit.
>>42360779>You aren't a womanOk then kys chuddie moid
>>42360445most people dont see you with your hairline showing. get a better skin routine and hairstyle
>>42360445Hey if it makes you feel better I dont even get gendered right by my woke friends, like they are literally incapable of doing it despite having known me as a tranny since forever they still have to self correct
>>42360823>What have you tried makeup and fashion-wise?If I wore makeup or women's clothes, I would look like a man in drag. The only feminine thing I've ever worn in my life was a witch costume that had a dress. I was trying on the costume at my cousin's house in preparation for a Halloween party, but I didn't get to go. My mother is abusive and I am not able to come out to her. I'm afraid of what she'd do to me if I wore makeup or tried different clothes. My dad is supportive, though.>Anything evolution with your hair?I'm going to get it properly styled soon, next time I'm off work.>How often are you gendered femaleMost customers at work avoid gendering me at all. Some of them mistake me for my friend, who is a girl, and most old people don't ever realize I'm not a girl. (probably bad eyesight) There have been times in the past when I wore a mask and used my girlvoice with customers, and I never once got called anything male. That doesn't count, though, because I was covering up my hideous man face. I'd consider this a good litmus test for passing, because I live in the south.>instead of pushing yourself further let dysphoria dig you into a hole of helplessnessThe only way I can go further is to get surgery, which I can't do. Why would I ever try to socially transition when I don't look like a woman? Everyone would know I'm just a gross tranny. I don't want to be a tranny, I want to be a woman. >Get a therapist anonetteI have one, and she changed my life, helped me out of so much anxiety and depression and even gave me the confidence to start hormones. I think she's wholly unequipped to deal with dysphoria, though. She just gives me cope answers she would give to any cis girl dealing with body image issues. She could never understand what I go through because she's a real woman.>>42360865In my opinion, you're not a woman unless you look and sound like one. It kind of annoys me that my friends aren't more draconian towards me.
>>42360902>you're not a woman unless you look and sound like oneand you're obviously in a position to objectively determine what it means to "look and sound like a woman."
>>42360917Basically, if someone can't tell you're a tranny without some kind of extra info (flag in a bio, you telling them, seeing your dick), you're a woman. If you have male features like me, or if you have a croaky man voice (no matter how beautiful you are otherwise), you're not a woman. It's the one single goal you have as a tranny. People who are ok with being visibly trans may not even have real dysphoria, because real women are just women, not "trans" women.
>>42360952so if a cis woman who smoked a lot of cigarettes gets called "sir" on the phone and irl bc she's wicked busted from all the smoking, she's "not a woman," even if she's had three kids?
>>42360988No, these rules don't apply to cis women, because they're real women. They have nothing to prove. I'm talking about trannies. I said "It's the one single goal you have as a tranny."Therefore, as much as my friends and my bf might want to say it, I'm not a girl. I just let them do it because it makes them happier. It used to make me happy when they used my girl name or called me she, but now that magic is gone and it just feels patronizing. The only one I don't feel that way with is my bf. He makes me feel like a girl, kinda.
>>42360445owari da
>>42361003your original standard of "you're a woman if you look and sound like one" only applies to trans women? why don't cis women also have to look and sound like women?
>>42361025Because they're already women. They were born that way. They have nothing to prove or change about themselves. They can do whatever they want. They're female. We don't get that luxury, we're trannies, we were born male and lived at least some of our lives as boys, even men. We have male sexual dimorphism and, oftentimes, male socialization. We have to change ourselves. If we cannot do that sufficiently, we've failed. I have a male brow ridge and a male jaw. My ring finger is longer than my index finger. I have an Adam's apple. I speak with a male voice and go by a male name and dress like a man in my everyday life. In what way could you possibly make the argument that I am in any way a woman? I may have dysphoria, I may have estrogen and progesterone in my body and barely any testosterone, and I may have boobs, but I in every single way that counts, I'm a man.
>>42361063surely you're smart enough to understand why you aren't offering a robust argument here. what am i supposed to take as the answer to my question? "men are men, women are women, we have to make more of an effort to be women bc we're men?" you're appealing to the supposed transcendence of biological categories. this is the terf style of argument; you're relying on me to hold the same judgements you do, not convincing me with logic. the most venomous possible ethos. why is this abuser's voice living in your head?
>>42361126I don't see how you can't see the logic in what I'm saying. Really, I'm mostly just confused at the contrary belief. Why would you want to look in any way male? Why do you want to be visibly trans? Why do you want to look like a freak? I have dysphoria because I'm not a woman, ergo I want to be a woman, not some androgynous monster. I just want to be normal. I boymode because if you cannot be indistinguishably a woman, you have no place calling yourself or attempting to be a woman. If every tranny had this mindset, no one would hate us. You can say it's more depressing to live so repressively, but at the same time, I think I'd be more depressed if I saw in the mirror a man desperately trying to be a woman every single day, surrounded by people who pity him or would lose their jobs if they didn't play along. It feels demeaning and makes me feel even more like a man than boymoding does.I've got to go to work, but I'll try to keep up with the thread.
>>42361195i could, and frequently do, think like you do. it's tempting to wallow in self-pity. ask yourself, in the violent light of truth, who gets to decide who is and who is not a freak. normality is a fiction that normal people never have to confront, because they're the main characters
>>42360445If you will genuinely never be able to afford FFS then i strongly suggest manmoding or detrooning altogether. Your friends are absolutely pity passing you. You do not pass, but you already knew that. At this point it’s time to really look into options to stop presenting or believing yourself to be a woman, because this is a very bleak outcome after years of E
>>42360718>women don't have to hide the fact that they're a manthis is a dumbass take. self defeating cope. women use makeup, hair styling, and fashion to hide their shitty features and highlight their nice ones.
>>42361454Bad features of a woman don't make them look like men, though. Not really, not like biological men>>42361339I think I'm going to become an HRT repper, yes. I'm sure I can get insurance to cover a good ffs surgeon, though >>42361249It's just about fitting in with the present culture. Sure, you can say most of our culture is bad, but I just mean the basics of looking correctly. I don't want to be a pariah
>>42361454>wearing makeup to accentuate your naturally feminine face >wearing makeup to hide your naturally masculine faceThese are not the same thing and you know it.
>>42361541Detrans and kys moid omg stfu
>>42361778How am I wrong?
>>42360445perfect side profile and if you disagree then you hate white people
>>42362214Homo alert
>>42361851What a shit thread>People who are ok with being visibly trans may not even have real dysphoria, because real women are just women, not "trans" womenThis is worst thing u said, I hate that you could say something this dumb but I guess the only purpose of this thread was to tear yourself and trans people in general apart
>>42362444I didn’t say that tho. If you don’t know how to use an anonymous image board then you need to leave, newfag
You're some kind of genderfuckery who actually manages to be hot
>>42362468You don't have to blame me for having amnesia you can just ctrl+f the copied quote sweetie
i started at 19 which is a decade ago and i did not make it.i think you look better than i did, so i really think you could make it. my advice would be to buy thin metal frames, not the ones with the huge lenses. you need to do something different with your hair. keep growing it out but you need to dye it as it washes you out completely, and you need to do have slightly shorter more intentionally styled bangs. you look so much better without those glasses and the huge bangs.voice train now if you haven't, you will regret it if you don't. good luck, i believe in you.
>>42363721voice training is tranny code switching. it isn't incumbent upon us to change. i will force society to change by existing as a cletus-voiced überhon
>>42362812Like I already said, I didn’t say that
>>42363774it is awesome how retarded you are
