If you're on a proper dose, it will change your skin texture. It will change your smell. Your body hair will thin out. Your fat deposits will change in texture. You will stop shooting sticky white bitter cummloads and will emit clear mucus from your penis.Tranny face is a real thing you can see even on manmoders. What isn't guaranteed and based on luckshit genetics is if these changes will significantly alter your appearance to passable or significantly shift where fat deposits go
>>42371896will it really do all that?is it worth getting on e just for that even if i never troon?
>>42371911It will do all of that and I can't make that decision for you. If changing from a basically male hormonal canvas to a basically female hormonal canvas would make you happy or more comfortable I recommend it.
I look worse than before, I'm just in for the psychological effects, I've already given up on anything else.
>>42371932what psychological effects are there?
>>42371911>>42371924Also, keep in mind there is a chance you grow big fat tits, but most likely you will get A cups or less>>42371932>I look worse than beforeYou're psyopping yourself, unless you liked looking rougher and hairier in which case... ????
>>42371940you stop being constantly clenched literally all the time and you dont feel horrible all the time. therefore you're nicer to the people around you and people like you more
>>42371944>Also, keep in mind there is a chance you grow big fat tits, but most likely you will get A cups or lessi swear i hear there was a way to increase cup size. like a certain cocktail of hormones.>>42371946but will that still work if i don't pass? does oestrogen just inherently make you calmer?
>>42371896>It will change your smell.I wish I could do that without HRT.
>>42371896My boyfriend thinks I've had all of these changes in my appearance but I just don't see it at all. I look at older pictures of myself all the time am I just blind?
>>42371940I used to be filled with anger, felt resentment towards everyone, would turn aggressive easily, but now I rarely get mad, I am more submissive and no longer feel no one deserves me, unsure if it's the effects of e or I just became that way but it's worth it.
>>42371896it did nothing for me, just give me tits, now im a man with tits. im unfuckable
>>42371998oh rightwell i have a pretty short temper so maybe that's why. maybe i should take hrt,
>>42371961There are some additional supplements that Powers method advocates recommend. I am skeptical of their evidence but you can add if you wish. Estrogen in any form is the most important though, high dose monotherapy + check your levels and add anti-androgen if neededEstrogen will change your libido energy from male to female. YMMV as to what kind of effects that has for you personally. That is what made anon feel unclenched and more pro-social though. Male reproductive energy does have psychological consequences
>>42372009You are delusional and posts like yours are active public harm discouraging dysphoric people from using medicine with tangible and guaranteed changes. That or you straight up have some sort of estrogen insensitivity.
>>42371944I try to be as objective as I can, for a short period of time I saw a slight improvement on my appearance, but now I just can't find anything good about it, I am prepared for it but it still hurts.
>>42371961it's unrelated to passing, it has to do with the fact that you're not holding back every thought and feeling you've ever hadi used to go "ok well i think /this/, but how would a cis man react???"
>>42372014what's the powers method?also i don't think i could stomach sticking a needle in myself but i heard that's the best method. do all the other methods actually work or do i just need to woman up and start injecting?>Male reproductive energy does have psychological consequences.is that why men are so aggressive all the time? for sexual competition?
>>42372058NTA. It's weird. I have alternating male and female reproductive energy, even before HRT. It just manifests in your body differently. I wish I had the female kind all the time though just because I like it more. I don't know why it's like a pendulum.
>>42372056oh what so like the whole "be a man and don't cry" thing no longer exists?>>42372072what does it feel like?
I don't know how much it has to do with estrogen but I feel like I'm more Machiavellian and cold because of my reduced libido. I feel less human without my libido because I can't relate to my partner as much :/I'm not on prog btw
>>42372085Male is very localized in the genitals while female is like, the entire abdomen and sometimes the butt.
>>42372085correct. you're free
>>42371896What does tranny face look like in men? Any examples?
>>42372112oh damn that sounds pretty fun actually.>>42372116maybe i should get on it then.
>>42372043Re-read my OP post. Specifically, the last sentence. I already stated that estrogen may not improve your passability or appearance. What it will do is change things. If you have dysphoria and can't find anything good about not having raging male testosterone levels I doubt your mental state. You are likely extremely depressed.>>42372058I recommend googling around for powers method stuff. Sublingual estrogen pills, gels and patches are fine if you can afford them, just monitor your e levels. This thread isn't meant to be HRTgen or r/mtfdiy and the folks there can help you out more
>>42372118https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BONhk-hbiXk
>>42372121that's the social side of things. you should get on it, but even my considering the idea you are much more free than you were five minutes ago. i love you nona, you got this
>>42372124okay i'll have a look around.sorry i probably should take it to hrtgen. i was just worried i'd need a certain amount of experience to talk on there.>>42372148that's true. maybe i just need to take the plunge instead of debating it all the time.
>>42372182great idea. if you're at college, go to the queer club or whatever. you could be on estrogen within a week
>>42372182Nope, there are usually stickys with resources and guides but if you need some handholding people like helpingAnd yes getting on estrogen and antiandrogens if needed is really the big thing, everything else is supplemental and can be added later
>>42372191i always assumed that queer clubs were full of theyfabs and would be more down the end of "wait for your doctor's approval."are they actually based? and will they let me in, even though i'm basically the most milquetoast lame straight cis-looking guy ever to exist?>>42372222oh okay i'll head over there and ask them. i reckon if i have the momentum of already being on hormones everything else will be easier.
>>42372251They're hit or miss. A tranny specific club would likely have more resources. You can order DIY stuff in a lot of countries.
>>42372288alright well i may as well give it a go. i doubt they're going to bite my head off. i need to get better at putting myself out there anyway.
>>42372251there are two times the number of trans men/trans masculine people to trans women. women need other women to survive. asking for help and being vulnerable is part of it. if you go to the queer club and they tell you that they "dont know any trans women," you literally need to run
estrogen doesnt work on retards. its an iq test
>>42372014IMO progesterone is just as important as estrogen and it's a crime that the current standards of care don't reflect this. Cis women spend half their cycle progesterone dominant. For them its just as significant of a hormone as estrogen is.
>>42372058>also i don't think i could stomach sticking a needle in myself but i heard that's the best method. do all the other methods actually work or do i just need to woman up and start injecting?I didn't either, but when you want the testosterone to stop, you want the testosterone to stop.
>>42372085>oh what so like the whole "be a man and don't cry" thing no longer exists?NTA, for me it felt like maintaining my place on the male hierarchy lost all meaning.
>>42372655cant say its done anything for me. think it's overhyped
>>42372124Well, I am doing it for the psychological effects, I don't really know if I'm depressed, my feelings are still as intense as before except for anger, tho now that I find it easier to act naturally submissive I feel like I have a better life.
>>42372679That sucks. Starting prog changed my experience nearly as much as starting estrogen.
>>42372679Prog really helped ease some of the issues I had on just E.
>>42371896I think my T levels (1.9p/mol) are too high for the fat distribution thing, and my doc said my E levels(486p/mol) could be higher. They put me on cypro, progesterone, and injections, all at the same time, but i looked up the cypro side effects and got scared cuz it causes genital dryness, and i like the clear mucus(dumb reason not to do it i know) and the pharmacist said its okay to not take it, next, progestorone, taking it and havent noticed much but i get really sleepy after i take it. Next, Injections, i was supposed to start like a month ago, but never got around to doing it until last week.I have noticed since last year when i started taking it that my hips have gotten wider/fatter, and my waist thinner, but im worried that because my T levels are so high, if i gain weight itll go straight to my waist. For a bit i was thinking id eat less, and it worked, kinda, but that brings the worry of losing my fat in my thighs, and i dont want that, so im back on the eating the calorie surplus, and i guess ill just pray it works, my next appointments in 2 or 3 weeks anyways, if i gain weight in my waist ill knowLong reply didnt think it would be this long sorry
>>42372384yeah i can imagine that would be an issuealthough my uni does have a lot of trans women so it hopefully will be fine
>>42372679prog is actually the healing hormone, it has exclusively positive benefits and counterbalances the negative effects of estrogen (estrogen is inflammatory). its in the female body for a reason and if you dont take it you are missing out
>>42372058Pretty sure all the other methods work, i switched to injecting cuz i also heard its the best, but i honestly couldnt tell you what makes it better, if you know, plz tell me
>>42372086Im on prog but my libidos still pretty much gone
>>42372667tbdesu i never really cared about my place on the male hierarchy. i stay away from men who care about that.
>>42372251They're based, full of different kinds of queers
>>42372655I kinda wish my doctor cycled me on it, but idk i heard transfems bodies like somehow regulate the hormones even when the dose is constant
>>42372033Ok but what can actually be done about estrogen insensitivity? The first few months of estrogen felt extremely strong and my smell was so flowery, but for the last 3 years it’s felt so spotty and my skin isn’t nearly as soft as before, and my sex drive fluctuates but I’m on stable levels, 2.5mg per week of Valerate and 100mg spiro 2x per day
>>42372850nta, transdermal of any form is better than oral because it avoids first past metabolization by the liver..Injected, gel, and patches are equal in this regard. It's just a lot more difficult to get patches or gel in the us because estradiol valerate is the meme.
>>42372679I'm really glad im on it, im hoping itll develop my breasts, but i also havent noticed like anything, and its been a month
>>42372890Cycle yourself! Don't put yourself at your mercy of your doctor.Sample size of one (me) im starting to think the best way to do this is not go off prog entirely but to alternate between oral and rectal every two weeks.
>>42372679Are you taking it orally or anally?
>>42372904what dose?
>>42372902Huh, ive heard transdermal is better for menopausal woman, and i heard injecting is the best, but idk why, but its weird, all my docs want me on some kind of oral, my first endo said the sublinqual was terrible and i needed to be switched to oral, and my second endo, or endo's assistant i didnt talk to the actual endo, said i should be on sublinqual, but i told them "my friend said injecting is better, can i go on that?" And they said yes, and its only been a week on injecting but im feeling hopefulOh also what does nta mean?
>>42372912Hmm that's interesting, i might try that after a while, but i think im gonna do what the doc says for a few more months to see what it does, and then when im comfy with it try to experiment
>>423729012.5mg EV/week is really low especially considering how spiky it is, consider 4mg/5 days
>>42372944nta = not the anon you are replying toinjecting is transdermal. your endos sounds like they dont know what they are doing and just going along with treating you because they are required. you must become an expert in your own care.
>>42372926100mg daily
>>42371896all true except for tranny face, my face looks identical to before
>>42372901If you experienced initial changes you don't have insensitivity. You might just be used to the changes now. You also might be ageing or have unrelated health issues. Too many things I can't know from the screenAre you actually getting bloodwork done?
>>42372968imo might be worth trying 200mg to see if it makes a difference.in general how arare of your body are you?
>>42372966I think your right, the last doc i had agreed with me that prog was nessicary, and had the same intuition of "its what female puberty does" but also like just put me on anything i asked for, like cypro prog and injecting, all in the same appointment, and then the real endo came in and was like "alright what do i have to sign" and he sounded very much like "what the hell am i doing haha, ill just sign whatever fugin clown world" he also said to me "im like your hormone fairy, im giving you everything!" So yeah definitelt ppl just winging it
>>42373000I think i will, i'll ask for that next appointment, also like, not super aware? I'm not very good at judging my mood aside from up or down, like, i know when im down and a bit depressed, and i know when im up and a bit happy, im also pretty good at judging mania but my body? Idk i dont think im that aware
>>42372879true but also i'm not particularly alternative so i feel like they wouldn't like me.
>>42373008It's very, very, very important to detect when medical people are just going through the motions. These people influence your existance.>>42373030I'm hyper aware of my body and maybe that is why I notice all the changes. The awareness is something you can develop, I believe.
