i transitioned when i was 18 and when i see trans girls irl who transitioned after like 25 it makes me feel weird
>>42380962sorry. i'll kill myself so you don't feel weird anymore
>>42380978Pls do. You’re an eyesore and you make us look bad
>>42380962that's kinda real. like I understand that some people are held back by their environment but genuinely how do you make it to 25 without at least starting HRT if you have real dysphoria?
The concept of being an eyesore that makes the community look bad is so braindead. Same kinda eugenics nonsense that is used by rich vampires when they talk about people who live in trailer parks and the like. You cannot kill/force to rope the parts of your community that are displeasing to the whole your way to societal acceptance and to think so is insanity of the highest order
>>42381054even if i started at 14 i would've ended up honning out just as i have now, better to try to live a normal life as an ugly cis gay guy than resort to trooning and throw away my life and any romantic prospects forever
>>42381079nobody attractive talks like this so I think you're biased
>>42380962gigayoungshits who avoided puberty feel the same about you
>>42380962 I transition young only to find out I was a gay boy
>>42381086stubby john 50 fingers typed this post
>>42380962yeah that's why i manmode to not ruin opticst. hrt at 30
Giga hyper 5g ultra youngshit omega passer here...
>>42381110and? it doesn't change the fact that those who transition in their 20s or later are far likelier to damage optics because of male skeletal development to maturity and their prolonged amab socialization
>>42381125i trooned at 22 but i have paganini fingers and a moided digit ratio
>>42381054I didn't need it, I malefailed a lot, never grew any facial hair, high e levels, low t, basicallt never masculinized, even if ai tried, only did it after a "friend" convinced me to.>bbut you didn't have dysphoriaI did, still do, but had bigger problems to worry about it.
>>42381102reading this, i'm acutely aware that the difference between 130 and 100 is the same as the difference between 100 and 70
>>42381159I don't think I really believe you actually
>>42381102Expresses empathy for people that are not aesthetically pleasing by societal standardsMust be not aesthetically pleasing by societal standards.-_°
>>42381140>amab socializationWhat? What makes you think that? I don't understand why you believe someone pre transition was a manly man doing manly things.
>>42381182I don't care desu
>>42381140>op is an opticsfagthey’re going to hate you no matter what btw
>>42381199okay, thank you for sharing
>>42381186"that are not aesthetically pleasing by societal standards" most people would just say "ugly", you know that right?
>>42381188absence of socialization as an amab or socialization around afabs as an amab is still amab socialization
>>42381229>socialization around afabs as an amabThen it doesn't make a difference unless your parents raise you as a girl from day one, what's the problem then.
>>42381223Yeah, just don't care about fitting in with people that would do that. What misery
>>42381229>absence of socialization as an amab is still amab socializationwe need to bring back the board of education desu
>>42381243again, I feel like people attractive enough to fit into society don't feel this way about having to reject society. that makes your take on if being an ugly lateshit is okay pretty biased
>>42381229wait, what? I'm on your side but that just literally isn't true. amab socialization is when amabs are socialized around other amabs, that's why it's called that...
>>42381282>being attractive means you like socializingHuh
>>42381282I actually fit really well into society? I get assumed as cis most of the time, have a thriving friend group of folks, mostly cis themselves. I'm just capable of seeing that the rot of purity/performance culture needs to be addressed in many ways. If I was an "oldshit" it wouldn't make my statements invalid even if they did come from a place of bias
>>42380962Studies have shown how different groups of people cope with their dysphoria and have different breaking points
>>42381140>damage optics because of male skeletal development to maturityyou started at 18 nigga that's literally you
>>42381317it actually totally would because obviously an oldshit would want to defend their existence even if it's wrong, but if that's not you then okay. this just seems like an odd thing for someone who passes to care about
>>42381362>attractive people don't feel empathyNo, that's narcissists, not necessarily attractive people.
>>42381362Someone was literally saying that these people should kill themselves because they're an eyesore, why would my empathy for my sisters disappear simply because I pass?
>>42381381I mean yeah I don't agree that the solution is killing them, but the description of "eyesores that make the community look bad" still seems pretty accurate. I don't think it's wrong to just acknowledge them as that
>>42381424>the community >trans communityRookie mistake, that's not a thing, there's trans communities but not a community, that would imply there's a clear boundary, even a registration method.
>>42381478I guess? maybe community isn't the right word but you get what I mean surely
>>42381424The concept of someone being an eyesore that makes the community look bad just because they don't pass well or have an appearance that is at odds with who they are is wild..it's like saying effeminate gay men make the gay community look bad, butch lesbians make the lesbian community look bad. Racist white guys make the white guy community look bad. Individuals cannot make a community look bad except to the highly propagandized masses incapable of distinguishing between individual and "communities"
>>42381054by shutting down all my hopes and dreams and isolating myself and playing video games? its pretty easy you just have to give up
>>42380962Nice projection oldshit, keep being oldshit
if youngshits sare so good why are spaces filled with youngshits like 4t4 so bad?
>>42381514why would you ever do all that instead of just buying and taking HRT though? it only makes sense if you literally can't afford it
>>42381578Societal conditioning
>>42381618I can't imagine any kind of societal conditioning that would overpower gender dysphoria, that sounds like a pretty weak excuse. maybe if you live in like uganda and will be beaten to death for it, but I'm going to assume that probably wasn't your situation
>>423815234t4 is mostly midshits, only like 5% of them started before 16
>>42381578because its shameful and i felt it was hopeless
>>42381632I know a local gal who existed in a cult complex for like. 20 years before entering society, then it took her a while to get financially stable and check that shit out. Another girl that I know was homeschooled and literally wasn't introduced to the concept of not having to be cis until 18. Sorry your imagination isn't that strong
>>42381632Also I didn't wait until 25 lol
>>42381505The problem here is that you care about the opinion of people outside the "community", those people are only trying to find excuses to dislike you, even if there were no "eyesores" they would find an equally ridiculous excuse.
>>42381632>gender dysphoriaNo? But you are wrong thinking that the singular conclusion anyone would reach is starting hrt, even if that person got psychological help there's a high chance that wouldn't be suggested as a treatment.
>>42381054if you can't kill yourself you can be 25 and not get hrti'm not 25 years old but i'll probably end up being 25 yo and still repping cuz i can't kill myself
>>42381687okay those are obviously valid reasons too but they're hardly common, also technically speaking both of those examples probably started before 25 given the age they eventually got out of that situation
>>42381870there are people like that yes, but hons getting "you're not a woman because you don't act or look like a woman" and passoids getting "you're not a woman because... my public school biology textbook said you just can't be okay??" is pretty different
>>42382041One was 24 the other was 25. They both needed an adjustment period to figure shit out. I mention them because they seemed the most likely to be valid in your eyes based on our conversation here. Not everyone is strong enough/has the right mixture of traits to get started early. Expectations cis heteronormativity these things all out pressure on people from the moment they are born. I was so happy to share in the joy of a 35 year old woman who just figured stuff out a few weeks ago and talk about what she ideally wants to achieve and even what she realistically may have to settle for. It may take a long time for our sisters to find their way home, but every single one should be welcomed with open arms when they do.
>>42381578cuz you're a miserable teen who depends on their parents and idk probably still has emotions and feelings and doesn't want to be fucking disowned and abused
>>42381003the trans community will always look bad even without eyesores
>>42381054intersexed so i barely masculinized and could still be a 'femboy' well into my 20s, massive social pressure not to transition, very successful in my career and would have been instantly fired for trooning, had a dependent partner to look after so needed to keep the job thanks for asking
>>42382097also some of us had no idea trans people existed except as a niche sexual fetish welllll into adulthoodbiggest thing younger generation don't get is quite how little information there was on trans shit in prior generations, and how much effort was put into making trannies look like sexual freaks anyone who could even vaguely survive as an effeminate gay man tried to do that
>>42382072there's cissoids who are gnc and they're still attacked and hated so ofc it goes the same way non passing tranniesi don't know why you would treat them as less valuable because "they make you look bad" ugly ppl will always exist
>>42382130>ugly ppl will always existthat doesn't mean I have to be happy about it...
>>42382130younger-passoid self hatred and "kill all the ugly trannies" thinking is the exact, exact same psychological mechanism that makes reppers rep lmaoas a trans woman in my 30s who was once a repper and turned out fine, ive noticed from comparing notes with younger-transitioning friends in my age group that the actual psychology behind it is basically identical its basically just proof that these people would have been retarded reppers if they didnt have a supportive family/environment of some kind. "no i started diy hrt at 14 on my own" yeah so you had advanced internet access from early childhood didnt you, and parents who gave you a modicum or privacy. some of us had no internet access and permanently open doors
>>42382179nta but this is unlikely to change due to inherent psychological issues. They can't understand us and we can't fully understand them. And with the "age gap" psyop going on it's even harder as age groups are intentionally siloed these days.That's why concepts like "graduation" exists. You can't argue with the creche and with people who have no idea how life was in 2000 or 2005.>t. wifemoder, 43yo
>>42382097this desubut i trooned at 24 so i'm chillin, get fucked OP
>>42381578>HRT>Transgender What's that? All I know is I pray every night that God either makes me a girl or makes me stop wanting to be a girl. I wake up crying because I'm a girl in all my dreams. I jerk off thinking about guys but start thinking of a girl right before I finish so it's not gay. I like to cross dress in my basement and program BASIC out of a textbook on my computer because before the Internet, nobody knew what HRT or transgender was, you just knew you were majorly fucked up and had no idea how to fix it until you see linetrap in like 2010 on /b/ and fall down a rabbit hole and transition at 30.
>>42382465post programmer socks
>>42380962how does it make you feel weird?
