you ever notice how the "cringe" overdone pro-trans arguments (you can actually change sex, sex isn't a strict binary, increase in number of people transitioning is due to better knowledge of trans people, high suicide rate is due to dysphoria, minority stress, and isolation, etc) are actually all completely correct? and how transphobes don't really argue against them but just kind of sneer and imply that since they've heard them all before and haven't changed their mind they must be deboonked actually?hell even the fairly weak arguments your average 'sex and gender aren't the same!' 105 IQ lib comes out with still haven't really been debunked by transphobes, all the best criticisms of those sorts of arguments come from trannieswhy are transphobes so bad at coming up with good arguments? are they just retarded?
>cringeWhy bother deboonking something when trannies fold after being mildy embarassed
the biological differences argument is decent and correctly applies to a lot of subjects
>>42400784those are the good arguments thoughthe cringe arguments are "gender isn't real anyone can be whatever you want to be!", and "labels are all fake anyway", and "gender isn't the same as sex because you can change your gender whenever you want"
>>42400835>those are the good arguments thoughI'm talking about how they're perceived, whenever I've argued with a transphobe they basically roll their eyes on hearing these arguments, with the idea that they're old and debunked and the debate has move don>the cringe arguments are "gender isn't real anyone can be whatever you want to be!", and "labels are all fake anyway", and "gender isn't the same as sex because you can change your gender whenever you want"these are genuinely cringe but desu transphobes rarely give good counterarguments even to them
>>42400784>why are transphobes so bad at coming up with good arguments? are they just retarded?if you make good arguments instead of bad arguments, you are signaling that you are open to being persuaded by good arguments. if for the movement as a whole getting reality right isn't really the point, if the goal is to hurt a particular group of people, then signaling openness to argument is the same thing as signaling that you are not a reliable ally to that movement. making a bad argument for a cause is a way of letting other supporters know that you'll side with them even if they're wrong.https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/L6Ktf952cwdMJnzWm/motive-ambiguity
