>>42467673
>If you caught your man watching ben shapiro or charlie kirk debate slop, how would you feel?
yes, this is low tier right wing garbage

Now, if he is quoting Spengler, discussing hbd, and making references to obscure Roman history, that's how you get me swooning

>>42467725
were you a pseud before you trooned out or did you pick that up after?

>>42467673
>is a man being a conservative a red flag for you?
yes
>If you caught your man watching ben shapiro or charlie kirk debate slop, how would you feel?
I would think he is really dumb

t. rightoid trannoid

>>42467673
I would probably talk with them about it but those two are normieslop nowadays, ben shapiro is known to be jewish so if he watched him you at least know he's not a nazi. It's definitely icky to support maga in this environment considering the far right ultranationalist elements infiltrating it through America First.

>>42467673
I would probably describe my views as center left but to be honest I’m a one issue voter. Anyways if he is watching kike garbage then yeah it is, my bf watches Sam Hyde and I don’t really mind, not my thing but I don’t see it as a red flag nor care.

>>42467842
>one issue voter
what is that? (please don't say israel or some shit god)

>>42467673
>If you caught your man watching ben shapiro or charlie kirk debate slop, how would you feel?
itd turn me on

>>42467842
Sam hyde is like incel levels of red flag

This might sound dumb but I don't care: I would not ever date someone who didn't have near-identical political and religious beliefs as me. I would set a small window on the political beliefs and a very small window on the religious beliefs. I just don't see the point.

Political: socially left, economically socdem < -- > libertarian/laissez-faire
Religious: atheist / agnostic, physicalist, no ESP/astrology/UFO/woo/other nonsense

I don't think I could even date a moderate democratic socialist, really. I could be friends with them though.

>>42467862
It means you decide on who to vote based on one issue only that supersede all others.
Most voters are one issue voters meaning that there's one issue they prioritize and it will make them change votes.

>>42467868
I think watching certain Sam Hyde material is not necessarily a dealbreaker. He's a sincere neo-Nazi but, while his politics are inextricably tied into his comedy, he's a funny guy who makes good comedic material. I still sometimes watch him even though I'm a Jewish leftist. That said, that anon is clearly also a neo-Nazi so it's a moot point.

>>42467862
Just pro LGBT stuff.

>>42467862
I vote for whoever is most opposed to (or least involved in) religious conservatism

>>42467673
as a very lefty troon i'd sort of prefer a conservative bf, but idk it might eat at me in reality to know that he believes in things i am so against on a moral level.

>>42467868
If it was good enough for dollface then good enough for me so I don’t care.

>>42467898
the kvetching on this post

>>42467898
>he's a funny guy
For a fifth grader, or just a severely retarded incel. That's the problem with him, his stuff is so unfunny and so braindead, if you say you like sam hyde, it's the same as saying you had no friends and spent your adolescence trying to fit in 4chan subculture

you guys cant fool me
the moment a traditional gender stereotype of a man with traditional values in his head gives you positive attention your principles will go out the window

>>42467941
I just praised Sam Hyde because I'm happy to see things without the lens of politics. What more do you want from me, Ms. Cuck?

>>42467942
I'm sorry but he is objectively funny, or at least as of some years ago he was. He's only cringe when he tries to be serious and starts spouting white nationalist idiocy.

>>42467962
open borders for israel

>>42467949
>positive attention
If a man truly has those views, the attention he would give an LGBT partner wouldn't be very positive for long.

you retards would sell your souls for a man who are you kidding

>>42467967
There's absolutely nothing funny about the guy, he's an asinine comedian. Saying you like that is just saying you have no taste, and your sense of humor and comedic level is atrocious. It's basic outing yourself as retarded

>>42467977
Well obviously I'm with you there. Did you not read my post? I said I'm a leftist.

>"kvetching" - I'm not a huge fan of people who support indiscriminate mass murder and totalitarian suppression of dissent and social darwinism, even if I can still enjoy their work

>"LITRALEE white genocide to murder me and my family, this is war" - some people just moved to my country

>>42467993
nta but i think we're running on the premise that his views on tranners are the exception.

>>42468011
Please don’t say the r word :(

>>42467993
a lot of them are bi, especially the younger ones

>>42468024
So it's a conservative partner conflicted by cognitive dissonance and his partner is the embodiment of the conflict?
Sis that's not gonna work out long term

>>42468051
where's the cognitive dissonance? i don't really understand the conservative mind, i don't see how not minding queers is incompatible with the rest of the ideology.

>>42467999
to a man who is hot? absolutely

>>42468079
Opposing queerness and personal sexual/expression freedom is literally the core of the conservative zeitgeist.it has a direct appeal to the heteronormative patriarchal tradition and so it repels anything that lies outside the conscription of Judeo-Christian sexual values

>>42468079
Have you bene paying attention. A huge portion of the Conservative platform is predicated on hating and attempting to eradicate LGBT, starting with the T.

>>42468051
you can be mostly conservative in your political opinions but also be chill around gays and trannies
thats basically what the democratic party was a couple decades ago

>>42468079
Conservatism is predicated on the hatred against whores and fags

>>42468111
> You can be [torn apart by cognitive dissonance]
Sure you can. That's indeed a real possibility

>>42468111
Perhaps, but if you are voting for Conservatives or supporting movements that get them elected, you are supporting a platform that wants us dead. Sticking your head in the sand doesnt absolve you of that.
If someone is Conservative but never votes or supports their party, that might be a HARD maybe depending on where their values fall. The second they support the party, they are undatable to me.

>>42468111
>you can be a conservative in every way
>except for the part that affects me
That's just hypocrisy which is also cognitive dissonance manifest

>>42468105
i guess i can see that for being against gay people but what's wrong with trannies? i don't think it ruins everything for some males to be born with a female neurosex and to let them transition into the social role of that sex. that's how transition tended to be thought of when there were like triple digit numbers of transitioned trannies in the country. the man becomes a woman, and look, she's a very pretty woman now and she's doing all the woman things, great, modern medicine right? and that was that.
>>42468106
yes, which is why i said exception.

>>42467673
I’d feel upset he’s watching garbage like that

>>42468140
Youre asking for an exception to the CORE of conservativism.

>>42468161
but i don't think it's really an exception, the main reason conservatives are against transsexuals (the broader transgender umbrella is its own story) is because of media fearmongering imho. like in the 1950s no one had a problem with this shit, trannies were talked about in newspapers like a miracle of modern science.

>>42468178
Mang are you retarded? What historical revisionism shit have you been reading? Trannies were ostracized even worse than they are now if they were ever caught out of stealth. Im talking "will never find a job again" levels of cultural ostracism.
And media fearmonging by... whom, exactly? What's that? The leaders of the Conservative party that have been using anti-LGBT as the cornerstone of their policy ever since slavery was outlawed?
My sister in Christ, it wasnt even a few decades ago that being publicly trans or gay could get you killed with high probability. I fucking LIVED it.

>>42468125
>>42468135
>>42468161
guys I think you're just too autistic to imagine anything other than the most ultra-religious klan member any time you hear the word conservative
this explains a lot about american politics

Like, gods, the levels of retardation here. Talk to any adult older than 50 and they will paint a horrifying picture of how nonchalantly we used to outright kill LGBT. Im only 40 and I literally remember having a gay friend of mine murdered when I was a kid - and the murderer got off on gay panic defense. Being trans was seen as being gay with extra steps. You either stealth passed or you didnt bother.
>>42468210
No, I imagine the party leaders they are voting in. The ones writing policy that makes my life worse.

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>>42467673
Conservative in and of itself is not a red flag, but if he's been brainfucked by the Jews it is.
There's nothing conservative about letting the christ killers tear apart western civilization.

>>42468210
ITT we forget that conservatives vote for conservative politicians who write conservative policy that actively makes tranny lives harder.

>>42468202
im 22, and maybe a little bit retarded. but i still think its possible, it seems like a sensible worldview to me. and i mean there are definitely guys who at least identify as conservative who fuck trannies, so we're kind of in no true scottsman territory here anyway. anyway let me have this fantasy.

>>42468236
>"Surely the leopards wont eat my face"
Fucking retard tranny counting on the cognitive dissonance of cons. I hope some redneck realizes he's "gay" while fucking you and brains you, you kinda deserve it. Fucking Uncle Tom ass bitch.

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>>42468231
>implying America isn't a single party state entirely corrupted by the Israel lobby and anti-trans politics isn't just a distraction from the US funded genocide in Palestine.

>>42468140
>guess i can see that for being against gay people but what's wrong with trannies?
U Serious? Are you slow or dumb?
Being a tranny (changing your gender) is even more transgressive and appalling to the conservative worldview (built on the inalienable separation of genders) than being gay.

>>42468257
Doesn't change the fact that a particular facet of the state explicitly wants me dead or repping. Shove your enlightened centrist shit up your ass.

>>42468140
>i don't think it ruins everything for some males to be born with a female neurosex
You just described something that ruins the core tenant of conservatism.

>>42468231
yeah every conservative votes republican
like how every socialist lefty votes democrat

anon this is autism at work

>>42468210
I think you're too naive or just ignorant to see that when it comes to LGBT people, the "moderate" conservatives see eye to eye with the "ultra religious klan members" and the laws that spawn from that are more inclined in the klan's member side than the moderate side.

>>42468255
i just like to imagine a conservative man taking care of me and having a traditional marriage i dont see how that warrants wishing death on me.
>>42468270
>built on the inalienable separation of genders
well if it's a medical condition i've had from birth it's still pretty inalienable no?

>>42468290
>conservatives don't vote for right wing conservative politicians that enact right wing conservative laws on sex and gender
You're just being obtuse

>>42468304
>if it's a medical condition
One of the most important tenants of conservative ideology is affirming that your "gender delusions" are a mental illness that should be suppressed and not encouraged with transition.
We can see how cognitive dissonance is making you split the atom to fit being a tranny in the conservative worldview.

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>>42468311
you're thinking about conservatives like they're all one faction of people
it's like thinking a communist is the same thing as a liberal and they both want the same things because they're both toward the left

>>42467673
Yes, being a conservative requires being insane and/or stupid and/or evil. And yes, that also goes for so-called respectable establishment conservatives.

>>42468336
They're not, but they're all anti-human ghouls in one way or another.

>>42468336
Conservatives may come in many shapes, but the politicians they vote for are very predictable, as it's always the politicians with the worst plans for LGBT people. 2024 was no different. You're trying to rewrite history

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>>42468255
nta but you're the problem.
When you engage in blanker prejudice against million of people, ignoring all of their diversity and individuality, to blame them all for crimes comitted by a tiny minority of sick individuals decades ago, you're not fighting back you're joining in.

Compassion and understanding is what you didn't get then, and it's what the world needs the most now. Voting your trauma solves nothing. Remember democrats were the party of slavery.

>>42468276
Incorrect! The state does NOT care about you. At all. You are not important except in two ways, the vote you cast and the taxes you pay. Beyond that NO aspect of the state gives a single drop of runny shit about you.

Trans politics is just really fucking useful at keeping everyone talking about anything except the absolute fucking shitshow of American foreign policy, the fact that the government can't even afford to pay it's own salaries but is sending the defense budget of Australia to Israel ANNUALLY, the fact that China is now the dominant economic power on earth because of decades of outsourcing, the fact that the US public education system is a laughing stock, the fact that the government CAUSED the opioid epidemic to make a family of Jews richer.

That is the stuff Donald Trump ran on in 2016 and didn't solve any of it because congress wasn't interested, and the public service is out of control.

Wake up and smell the semitism you fucking idiot. Vote red or blue, it doesn't matter, it's Jews on both sides.

>>42468336
Saying that a communist and a liberal would vote for trump is retarded though, just like pretending that conservatives didn't side with trump.

>>42468359
Jews are actually much more aligned with trump and the republican party though.

>>42468334
>affirming that your "gender delusions" are a mental illness
well sure, but they're not, so if someone who was conservative in every other way could recognize that then he could be a pro-tranny conservative i think. whether or not transsexuality is a medical condition present from birth is a question of fact, not ideology is my point. maybe one's ideology makes them prefer alternative facts, but i don't think it's impossible for a conservative to have a glimpse of reality in that way.

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>>42468334
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS CONSERVATIVE IDEOLOGY.

Conservatism is defined as the resistance to change, that reform should happen slowly or not at all.

The republican party has all sorts of people in it now, precisely because the democrats thought policed everyone into believing the same thing (or at least saying they do). For every republican you can find that believes something, you can find another republican prepared to debate him for a 6 hour podcast.

>>42468365
Jews
larp
as
both
sides

The only thing they're aligned to is themselves. They have betrayed every "ally" they've ever had, going back THOUSANDS of years. The problem with American politics is Jews.

>>42468369
>well sure, but they're not
Which is in direct opposition to the conservative narrative and worldview
>If someone who was a conservative could...
>Make an exception for me
That would indeed be a fair example of cognitive dissonance, mental gymnastics, hypocrisy, intellectual inconsistency, call it what you want.

>>42468381
>THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS CONSERVATIVE IDEOLOGY
There is one actually, and it's ostensibly against LGBT people, it has been so for thousands of years.

>>42468381
>The republican party has all sorts of people in it now, precisely because the democrats thought policed everyone into believing the same thing (or at least saying they do). For every republican you can find that believes something, you can find another republican prepared to debate him for a 6 hour podcast.
The thing that conservatives mostly agree upon is opposition against LGBT people

>>42468351
>>42468362
you guys actually too retarded for this conversation
you're assuming everyone always votes and no one refuses to vote ever
that shit went right over your heads

>>42468388
again, they may prefer alternative facts, but at the end of the day reality is reality. i just don't buy that it's impossible for a conservative to recognize the objective reality of this situation and act accordingly, i'm very confused here desu. all it amounts to is a slight modification to the lines that define the genders to fit in this very tiny fraction of the population. gender is still essential, the source just changes from the body to the brain.

>>42467673
i feel bad for straight mtfs, they're so hard up for bfs/husbands they'll get with literal maga chuds

>>42467673
It’s a red flag. Not a total dealbreaker tho. Watching debate slop is just going to make me roll my eyes at you but ultimately everybody has vices. Constantly making racist chuddy comments would make me annoyed.

>>42467898
>He's a sincere neo-Nazi
hes literally ew-ish

>>42468365
jews originally came to the US from poland, belarus, russia, ukraine (the russian empire) after russia created anti-jewish laws and enacted quotas that stopped too many jews from occupying high value positions

after this the jews largely took up left wing causes and were ardently pro immigrant (the term "melting pot" and the poem about "give me your poor" were created by jewish immigrants) and strategically championed the civil rights movement (along with other leftwing causes) with many, many jewish lawyers being key in advancing that agenda

it's only recent that some some jews, based on a neocon love of israel, being a successful minority that benefits from pro business politics, and more recently the western left being in bed with third-worldist islamomarxists that jews have been leaning more towards repubs

>>42468422
>alternative facts
They would call your "entitlement to womanhood" just that, though.
>Reality is reality
And they would say that after claiming you are the gender assigned for you by your biological sex without any input from your supposedly dysphoric mind.
Nobody said it's impossible for a conservative to make exceptions in his ideology to better accommodate you.
We're just saying that is called cognitive dissonance.

>>42468393
So where is the book where all of that is written down and why haven't any republicans read it? I keep hearing about the heartland institute, as if the average republican even knows who that is.

If you go to the UK conservatism means maintaining the monarchy and protestantism.
If you go to Italy conservatism means putting the Catholic church in charge.
If you go to Australia conservatism means doing whatever America wants.


0.7% of Americans tune in to Fox news every night. Less than 0.1% tune into the Daily Show. This two party crap is a fucking fiction. It's television. It's not real.

Real is your actual neighbor who still mad about how vietnam vets were treated.
Real is the farmers you've never met watching all of their neighbors getting eaten up by monsanto.
Real is the Christian parents who pray like crazy for their opioid addicted kid.
Real is the plumber who's worked his whole life to provide for his family and kids only to watch his neighborhood get destroyed by drugs and crime.

But politicians ON BOTH SIDES can't do anything about that and wouldn't care even if they could. So they debate transgender bathroom bills. BOTH SIDES play that game. Because that way nobody is discussing their actual job which is siphoning American taxpayer money to Israel.

Id say if he's cool with trannies then he's fine by me but if he is racist and randomly starts hating on other races then I'm cheating on him with a member of the race in question.

Also if he tries to get me to watch brain rot content and says something like "it really makes you think" I would probably not stand him either. Debate slop is acceptable but jbp isn't.

>>42468422
>recognize the objective reality of this situation
Like you not recognizing the objective reality of your birth sex?
It's just so baffling how you purposefully misinterpret conservative values so you can fit them in your opinion

>>42468479
>Jewish post

>>42468465
>Real is your actual neighbor who still mad about how vietnam vets were treated.
>Real is the farmers you've never met watching all of their neighbors getting eaten up by monsanto.
>Real is the Christian parents who pray like crazy for their opioid addicted kid.
>Real is the plumber who's worked his whole life to provide for his family and kids only to watch his neighborhood get destroyed by drugs and crime.
desu even this is out of touch the average american is just thinking "if my 401k isn't doing good and beef/egg/gas prices are high I'm gonna be mad and vote out the incumbent"

>>42468422
>slight modification to the lines that define the genders
Are you really unable to understand that this means the destruction of the most important thing for conservatives? That those "lines" that separate male and female being unchanging and permanent, set in stone, uncrossable , even sacred, are the most fundamental aspect of conservatism? Are you blind,sis? Why are you confused if you're being explained it over and over? You just don't want to listen

>>42468463
>They would call your "entitlement to womanhood" just that, though.
yes, most would, not one who recognized objective reality. you're kind of just dodging my point, i already know most conservatives are anti-tranny, i'm just saying i think it's *possible* for one to come to their senses on this. think about intersex people: nobody denies intersexism is like a real thing present from birth, and nobody denies that, say, a cis woman who turns out later in life to have XY chromosomes is still a woman. this is because all of these things are matters of objective fact. the difference with transsexuality in this way is that the facts on it are harder to find, it's not as clear-cut, and there are a LOT of people who work day and night to poison the well. however, all of that does not *necessarily* preclude a conservative from seeing through the noise and coming to understand what transsexuality is and accept it.

>>42468479
>Like you not recognizing the objective reality of your birth sex?
i recognize my birth sex is male, what are you talking about?

>>42468422
>gender is still essential, the source just changes from the body to the brain
That's ultimately against the conservative narrative about sex and gender.
Your whole idea is begging for an exception to be made just for you

>>42468503
>Why are you confused if you're being explained it over and over?
i guess because it just seems so stupid to me to be unable to shift the lines when faced with the fact of transsexuality's existence.

>>42468497
>"if my 401k isn't doing good and beef/egg/gas prices are high I'm gonna be mad and vote out the incumbent"
If Americans actually did that the system would be WAY healthier than it is. Like so so so so so much healthier.

The whole goal of democracy is to bring the government's interests in line with the people. That's the point to it.

Only the American system is not a democracy any more. It's a single party with two brands completely corrupted by a foreign power.

>>42468513
Recognizing the objective reality, in the words of a conservative, includes giving up any delusions that you can change your male gender, and just accept being a cis man instead.
That's the conservative point of view. Cope with it.

>>42468531
i already specified that i know most conservatives are anti-tranny. you are avoiding engaging with my argument about a possible exception to the rule by telling me 'well all of them think like this!' yeah, i know. that's why it's an exception.

>>42468522
Conservatives literally deny the existence of transexuality, they paint you as a freak fetishist that's getting aroused by the mess you're making out of strict gender norms. They have no recognition of transexuality being a legitimate thing or of your brain being the source of gender instead of your body.
If anyone disagrees with that, but they're still "conservative" then they're struggling with cognitive dissonance

>>42468531
Apparently you're the queen of conservatives and decide what conservatives think on all subjects at all times.

Except no, because that's not how that works, and conservatives are literally such a mixed bag these days there is no single belief that defines them.

Turn off the TV, it's lying to you. Go outside and actually talk to people.

>>42468550
>they paint you as a freak fetishist that's getting aroused by the mess you're making out of strict gender norms.
So do half the trannies on this board retard.

How instead of telling me what everyone else thinks, you tell me what YOU think.

>>42468549
You're ignoring the argument that these "exceptions" you may find, however real, are examples of conservatives struggling with cognitive dissonance.
They're not evidence of conservatism being pro tranny. Rather the opposite.

>>42468563
NTA but no, you're the one that's struggling.
You cannot comprehend a world in which your percieved enemies are not as obsessed with you as you are with them.

>>42468558
>So do half the posters in the right wing hate forum 4chan
No shit.

>>42468550
maybe i'm just too spergy to understand what you people are getting at. it's not cognitive dissonance just because it's not how most of them look at things. if you want to call it cognitive dissonance you need to show me where the contradiction is.

>>42468571
>every board is /pol/
I knew you were a fucking Jew.

>>42468563
>cognitive dissonance
in what way does what i'm proposing amount to cognitive dissonance other than in that it is not the mainstream conservative view?

>>42468566
You cannot comprehend a world where your conservative ideology is against you being trans, although that's reality.

>>42468583
>Have conservative views
>Except when it comes to gender identity
There is a clash in your mind, very clearly

>>42468584
I cannot comprehend a world in which conservative ideology has any definition other than the general resistance to change. Which is the actual definition of conservatism.

We want to change the way transgender people are treated under the law, they are resistant to that change. That is the beggining and the end of the conserative position on transgender. Everything else is the republican party attempting to fill television minutes and get clicks on social media.

But the republican party doesn't actually own conservatism.

>>42468578
Half of the posts on this board are identical to /pol/ though. Are you struggling with reality?

>>42468593
it's not how most conservatives view things, but nobody here has shown how it is incompatible with conservatism as a whole.

>>42468593
Mass immigration is a net negative for society
I am a woman even though I have a penis and testicles.

Where's the dissonance?

>>42468600
Those are Jewish trolls trying to stir up shit to keep us at each others throats, so that we don't unite against you.

>>42468598
>cannot comprehend a world in which conservative ideology has any definition other than the general resistance to change
So you cannot comprehend reality, it seems.
You are in fact a person struggling with cognitive dissonance. There's more conservatism than resisting change, it's actually the defense of what came before any of these changes: strict gender norms and absolutely no crossing over between male and female.

>>42468598
>I cannot comprehend a world where conservatives are against a tranny like me
True cognitive dissonance in full display

>>42467673
yes, but depending on the flavour i might eventually get lonely enough to tolerate it
>If you caught your man watching ben shapiro or charlie kirk debate slop, how would you feel?
this however is an instant dealbreaker. it's one thing to have bad opinions but i consider it unethical to date the straight up non-sapient

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>>42468620
Except that is reality.
That is what conservatism means for everyone who didn't get their polsci education from American television.

>>42468611
>I vouch for conservatism but make an exception for my tranny self
A mind divided. Conservatives would also call you a net negative to society, which is the part you ignore.

>>42468627
Conservatism existed before america did, and it's relentless opposition to LGBT people is historical.
You just make the exceptions that your cognitive dissonance demand,so the conservative part and the tranny part of your brain can coexist.

>>42468633
How about stop speaking for them and start speaking for you. Because they're not here right now, it's just you telling me what they think even though you've never bothered to actually talk to a single one.

The difference between you and them btw is they can change their minds when someone has the patience and presence to listen to their point of view and explain their errors of reasoning.

You don't. You remain committed to the ideology that it's us vs them. But of course you're not really one of us are you.

>>42468651
You're too fucking Jewish to talk to.

>>42468609
>how it is incompatible with conservatism as a whole.
Multiple people have explained you that, thoroughly. They have described how the non negotiable separation of male and female, excluding your attempts to change your birth sex, are an intrinsic part of the conservative worldview, the most important part. Most conservatives would consider it holy, and your toying with the sex of your biological body would be blasphemy for them.
This isn't just what most conservatives believe in. This is a fundamental element of the conservative narrative. Genders can't be changed. You are the gender you were born as. Dysphoria doesn't exist or is irrelevant.
Your blindness to all of that is part of your cognitive dissonance

>>42468673
>They have described how the non negotiable separation of male and female
[citation needed]

Don't think I didn't notice the good ol Jewish reset there either. Your cognitive dissonance is that you're not nearly as clever as you think you are.

>>42468659
Imagine being a conservative tranny and opening your mouth to talk about Jewish subversion, when most other conservatives would call you that.
Your accusations are confessions in disguise

>>42468678
>citation needed
The bible, actually. The most important text for western conservatives.
Your cognitive dissonance is how you think you can make an exception for trannies in the conservative narrative

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>>42468679
When "most other conservatives" call me that I explain the history of transgenderism globally and how Jews keep trying to take credit for transgenderism like they take credit for everything else because you think it buys you loyalty.

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american "politicics" is just a race to see which side can commit genocide on their percieved enemies faster. The left wants whites to go extinct, the right wants browns and gays thrown into concentration camps. Why are you all so fucking neurotic and annoying to talk to?

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>>42468690
Yeah except we all read the New Testament, you know the one where your people killed the son of God and have been punished for it ever since?

>>42467673
I would definitely date a rw man, but not a normie zogbot who watches slop like that
he has to be pro-trans regardless though, I don't want someone who thinks that it's wrong for me to exist
>t. rw tranny

>>42468673
>Multiple people have explained you that, thoroughly.
no they havent! they just keep saying 'well any conservative wouldnt support it and if they do its cognitive dissonance' and haven't elaborated.
>They have described how the non negotiable separation of male and female
and i have explained that it would simply be a matter of shifting the separation to be neurosex-based rather than asab-based.
idk this all comes off as sort of melodramatic to me. i think there plenty of conservatives who don't feel THIS strongly about the exact way the lines between the genders are drawn as long as they're present.

>>42468694
>When conservatives call my cognitive dissonance out
They must do that to you quite a lot.
The funny thing is that it isn't jews taking credit for trannies, it's conservatives blaming jews for anything they don't like, including conservative trannies.

>>42468697
>The left wants whites to go extinct
are white leftists suicidal?

>>42468701
You are conveniently leaving out the parts where jesus say that god made a man for a woman and that a man should leave his father's house to marry his wife.
The only way he describes an eunuch as being approvable is by said eunuch living in celibacy, by the way. Is that your plan?

>>42468713
Yes, and they actively try to spread said nihilistic anti-life to other whites in the name of a twisted form of justice.

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>>42468708
Only a couple of times actually, because they actually don't give a shit about transgenderism for the most part.
What they don't like is they're being forced to be "trans inclusive" when it's just not impactful for their lives. When they actually meet me tho, they respect my pronouns, they are curious and interested, they want to share their concerns, most of which is just shit that the Jew media has poured into their heads.

Hating Jews is not a left/right thing. The whole world hates Jews. What matters is that the American public has their hate directed at anyone except Jews. Transphobia is a product of trans women being easy targets for the Jew controlled media.

And if you explain that to someone who sees the Jews for what you really are, they listen and they understand.

>>42468703
Even the post you replied to elaborated how the separation of strict gender norms is part of the conservative narrative, and that includes the absolute prohibition of one gender crossing the river to become the other.
To that, your only response is to shut your ears and play dumb. That is the definition of cognitive dissonance right there. You simply are incapable of merely engaging with the elements of conservatism that clash with your transexuality.

>>42468718
i think she (if its actually a tranny) is one of those groyper types who have weird carveouts, but those arent mainstream conservatives. like that how that one european faschist party leader is a lesbian married to a pajeeta

>>42468718
Not only is none of that is true, but your logic is that of the Pharisees. Your lips pay heed to God but your heart is far from him.
It's not about the rules, it's about the underlying moral. The rules aren't there so you can wag your finger at anyone who's not following them to the letter, they're there to help you become a better and more loving person.

And you're not a loving person, you're filled with hate. And that's why you don't know Jesus.

>>42468733
(contd) which is funny bc those types say all lgbt is jewish brainwashing or something lmao

>>42468727
>crossing the river to become the other
i'm not crossing the river if it's been my neurosex since birth.

>>42468703
>shifting the separation
The whole foundation of the conservative worldview is vehemently opposing that "shift" you talk about.
You are literally saying "if only conservatives would do something that goes against everything they believe or hold sacred" which shows how much incompatible your beliefs are with conservatism.
The only way you can envision conservatives being accepting to trannies is by ditching the core aspect of conservatism: traditional separated gender roles without any changes to accommodate confused gender freaks

>>42468727
>You simply are incapable of merely engaging with the elements of conservatism that clash with your transexuality.
You're not a conservative. There is no conservatism here to engage with. Idiot.

>>42468740
That's the correct argument.
It is actually wrong to live as the wrong gender, what conservatives don't understand is that we actually are female, and that's just because it hasn't been explained to the properly. It is morally wrong for a trans woman to repress her true gender.

>>42468744
>The only way you can envision conservatives being accepting to trannies
The only way I envision conservatives being accepting to trannies is if you Jews stop speaking for both sides and let us talk to each other.

>>42468740
And that belief is fundamentally against everything conservatives hold sacred. They completely deny the validity of this thing you call "neurosex". They don't even acknowledge it.
To the conservative worldview, you are a man who is confused at best, and swayed by demons at worst, to blaspheme against god's perfect creation that is you as your biological sex, regardless of your opinions on it.
The more you speak, the clearer the dissonance gets

>>42468738
Again, do you ever speak for yourselves or can you only speak in strawmans?

THE WHOLE FUCKING WORLD HATES YOU!

>>42468754
>And that belief is fundamentally against everything conservatives hold sacred.
Is it against everything you hold sacred? What do you believe about neurosex?
>They completely deny the validity of this thing you call "neurosex".
Reality is that which remains true regardless of whether or not you believe it.
> They don't even acknowledge it
It's never actually been explained to them by someone who doesn't hate them.

>>42468756
gender ideology is white genocide, schlomo

>>42468744
>The whole foundation of the conservative worldview is vehemently opposing that "shift" you talk about.
the foundation isn't the specific means by which the genders are separated though i think, right? the foundation is that they are immutably separated. in what way does viewing transsexuality in the way i've described break this that intersexism for example doesn't? couldn't you say conservatives would never accept an XY cis woman, because those lines are so foundational? well no, they have the common sense to recognize that her being XY does not change who she essentially is. and i think a conservative could recognize that a trans woman's gender is fundamentally determined by her neurosex.

>>42468754
>to blaspheme against god's perfect creation
Again, your Judaism is showing.
>15 The voice spoke to him a second time, “Do not call anything impure that God has made clean.”
Acts 10

>>42468703
>there plenty of conservatives who don't feel THIS strongly about the exact way the lines between the genders are drawn as long as they're present.
Just like there were plenty of Germans in 39 who didn't feel that strongly about jews being all bad like hitler did.
Most conservatives not only disagree with your views on gender, they actively think you are a civilization ending subversion of order.
Please keep demonstrating your cognitive dissonance by vouching for conservatism*
*: terms and conditions apply

>>42468766
Say "Jews are inherently evil"

Gender ideology has nothing to do with transgenderism btw. It's just a rebrand of Jewish feminism and the foundational belief of TERFs.

>>42468754
>They completely deny the validity of this thing you call "neurosex".
most do. but "this thing" is a real thing, and a conservative could come to understand that it is a real thing.

>>42468774
>Most conservatives
which is my entire point. most, not literally every single one of them.

>>42468774
>Let me keep telling you what people you've never met think
>Also the nazi weren't all bad
You keep dodging the question, I keep asking it.

DO YOU BELIEVE TRANS WOMEN ARE WOMEN?

>>42467673
of course it’s a red flag. conservatism is an evil ideology, and continuing to believe in it as they lie less and less about the harm they want to inflict on outgroups is unconscionable. if you’re gonna play nice with conservatives you have to interact with (bosses/coworkers, healthcare workers, maybe family) that’s one thing, but choosing to date one is absurd to me

>>42468770
The same god that created men and women and then punished those who didn't follow the assigned gender norms?
>god is okay with my sin
And there's probably 1500 denominations to tell you're wrong

>>42468779
Jews are inherently evil, transwomen are men, degenerates will get the helicopter

>>42468789
You mean there are lots of conservatives with cognitive dissonance and conflicting beliefs just like you?
Yeah that has been affirmed since the beginning of the thread, you just have no arguments

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>>42468795
God is an intersex trans man according to the catechism.
There are 4 transgender saints recognized by the catholic Church.

There is no sin in what I do. I am not breaking a commandment, new or old. I am not committing any of the cardinal sins. I am completely in line with Christian teaching.

Christians do not have to follow your silly Jew rules you silly Jew.

>>42468799
I still think you're a Jew.
But Jews are inherently evil.

>>42468783
>this thing" is a real thing
A real thing inside your mind, and the whole conservative narrative relies on calling it a lie, a confusion or a delusion at best.
Which is why you need so much dissonance to make sense of it all

>>42468809
>A real thing inside your min
AND THERE IT IS!!!!
Finally we have the truth.

They're not the transphobic ones, YOU ARE. You don't accept that neurologically speaking trans women are female and trans men are male. That this has been very well establish scientifically and there is no doubt amongst biologists who have studied the subject.

These are biological facts. You are wrong.

>>42468808
You are directly defying god's laws forbidding you to wear women's clothes and hair, and you're also changing your body in ways he never approved of.
Imagine hating jews but worshipping the literal jew god and his dead kike son, lmao.
On top of being a conservative tranny.
Sir you are a mess

>>42468801
but it's not cognitive dissonance. i keep asking you all how it's cognitive dissonance and all you can tell me is that it's how most conservatives see things. i know that! but that doesn't make it cognitive dissonance. in what way is the worldview i am proposing logically inconsistent?
>the whole conservative narrative relies on calling it a lie
i know TwT that doesn't mean it's impossible for a single conservative on this planet to come to understand that it is not a lie without having an incurable case of cognitive dissonance.

>>42468808
US bishops literally banned all catholic hospitals from doing any kind of tranny medicine two months ago because transgenderism goes against catholic teachings

>>42468825
oops forgot to add the reply thing for >>42468809

>>42468824
>You are directly defying god's laws forbidding you to wear women's clothes and hair
You are directly defying a fuck thousand laws. But those Jews only apply to Jews and Muslims.

Christ saves me from my sins and give me a new commandment. To be loving in all aspects of my life. To that end I asked him to take my hate away and he did, for everyone except Jews.

God is REALLY fucking mad at you right now.

>>42468829
Except it actually doesn't and they're just confused because they don't understand what transgenderism is.
They will see in time.

>>42468818
Is "neurosex" not inside your mind?
>Conservatives are not transphobic, you are
Holy mother of cognitive dissonance. Conservatives would call you possessed by ancient demons who confused you about gender identity.
Pick your battles more carefully, sis. You're firing at your allies and defending the enemies' lines

>>42468839
>Is "neurosex" not inside your mind?
No, it's in my nervous system. It's neurological, not psychological.
I'm not delusional, I'm wired female. That's why I don't function as a mal.

>>42468839
>You're firing at your allies and defending the enemies' lines
You're not tho, you're picking fights on my behalf and spreading disinformation.
Conservatives don't hate me, they hate you, you just keep standing behind me so they have to go through me to get to you, even though I fucking hate you too.

It's not a political problem, it's a medical one.

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>>42468835
The Catholics are wrong about what Catholicism says about trannies, and conservatives are wrong about what conservativism says about trannies.
But you, the tranny, are actually right about what Catholicism and conservatism says about transgenderism. Seems like you’re outvoted. Are you sure you really want Catholicism and conservatism?

>>42468835
Christ also told you to cut off sinful body parts and to kill your body so that your spirit may live forever.
if you somehow concluded that focusing so much on your outward appearance to the point of injecting hormones to change it and starting to wear the opposite gender clothes, doesn't count as sin, you have so acutely misinterpreted biblical teachings that it makes sense for you to be wrecked by cognitive dissonance: it's the only way you could make peace with being a christcon tranny

>>42468844
>You're spreading disinformation
>Conservatives don't hate me(tranny)
And you followed with disinformation yourself, lmao. Conservative accusations are confessions in disguise.
Sure conservatives love trannies so much, anon. They hate people who go against strict heterosexual norms, but going against strict gender norms? They're fine with that, right?
Holy mother of cognitive dissonance

>>42468844
Who's making bills to make it harder for trannies to get medical treatment?

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>>42468848
>Catholicism says about trannies
You haven't read what catholicism say about trannies.
Dignatus infini was stupid, everyone who's read it thinks so.
But American politics is so retarded (because of Jews like you) that the facts just don't get through, and so the council of archbishops make their decisions based on the information they have.

But eventually the truth will get through, and the Church will change to reflect God's will.

And it is God's will that trans women accept their true gender.

>>42468851
>Simon Peter said to them, "Mary should leave us, because women aren't worthy of life."
>Jesus said, "Look, am I to make her a man? So that she may become a living spirit too, she's equal to you men, because every woman who makes herself manly will enter the kingdom of heaven."
Gospel of Thomas Saying 114.

>>42468863
>tu coque
You just admitted your crimes. You're not an ally, just as you try to speak for them without actually understanding their point of view, you speak to them without understanding mine.
You spread disinformation to keep us at each others throats.

You are no one's ally. You are the only enemy.

>>42468867
JEWS!

>>42468871
Ok, good luck convincing them to accept trannies, I welcome your efforts. I don’t think you’ll succeed, but if you do it’ll benefit me so gl

>>42468843
>it's in my nervous system
And where your mind is, anon?
>I'm wired female
It's a fundamental aspect of conservatism to deny that statement and call you a man instead. People who are conservative but supporting of you, are being supportive in spite of their conservatism, not because of it

>>42468851
Idk what’s funnier desu, tranny tradcath or gay Mexican white supremacists lol. Irony of the modern age I guess

>>42468891
>good luck convincing them to accept trannies
I don't need luck. I need patience and logic.
And I need you and your entire fucking religion to get gassed as soon as possible.

>>42468892
>And where your mind is, anon?
My mind is not a physical thing. Idiot.
>It's a fundamental aspect of conservatism to deny that statement and call you a man instead
It is a fundamental of what YOU believe.
YOU are the transphobe, and you a projecting your beliefs onto them.

>>42468899
Funnier still is how they both want your entire extended family to die violently.

>>42468844
>Conservatives don't hate me, they hate you
>You just keep standing behind me
That mindset is such a glimpse into cognitive dissonance it's worthy of a textbook.
You have conservatives going after you first, and in your delusional mind you conjure up this alternative reality where conservatives aren't targeting you first because they hate you more. It's only because they're trying to get other LGBT people, and the trannies are just collateral damage
It's such a purposeful misrepresentation of conservative ethos it's like the ultimate trojan horse: a tranny who defends conservatism before defending her own stakes against it.

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>>42468911
>Jewish reset
You're the problem.

I haven't defended conservatism I've only attacked you. You stand behind them while you hurl bricks at me, even though they hate you, then you stand behind me and hurl bricks at them, even though I hate you too.

EVERYONE hates you.

>>42468911
Blud thinks she’s on the team

>>42468907
It's like you believe that if you hate jews hard enough, real nazi boys will let your join their club.
They just forgot to tell you that for them, trannysm is slightly worse than being a jew and they actually credit jews for your existence

>>42468918
You're actually defending conservatism for hours in this thread, but it's part of your personality to never admit it, it's the cognitive dissonance at play.

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>>42468924
>Everyone who hates me is a nazi
EVERYONE hates you, the whole fucking world. There's 8 billion people on this Earth, and like 7 billion of them think we'd be better off if Hitler had have finished the job.

>>42468930
Now you're speaking for me. Incredible.
Anyway, you lost. You have been called out as is right. You have been noticed.

You are a Jew, and are condemned to death for all eternity.

>>42468907
>My mind is not a physical thing
Really, anon? Are you sure about that? If there was one organ that could be physically destroyed and it would also directly destroy your mind, what organ would that be?

>>42468942
That's true for most of my organs, idiot.

Saging now because this thread is over.

>>42468907
>It is a fundamental of what YOU believe.
It is a fundamental for most conservatives, actually, as well as most conservative texts and scriptures. In fact you would need to look very hard to find a subset of conservatism that is welcoming to you.
And they would be welcoming in spite of their conservatism, not because of it
>You are the transphobe
Am I the one voting for politicians that make anti trans bills?

>>42468923
It's a typical pick me. She thinks that enough antisemitism and homophobia will earn her a spot in the cool tranny section of the right wing hierarchy.
She's clueless

>>42468947
Not really. Hooked to machines, your mind could survive even without a heart, enough to communicate.
But there's one organ that your mind can't really be manifest without. You know what that is?
It's not the most prominent organ in people with room temperature IQ and questionable worldview

>>42467673
Yes.
I dont befriend right wingers, much less date them.

>>42468939
I love how you're still arguing like your interlocutor was a jew, and not someone who simply called you out as a contradicting conservative tranny, and that hurt your feelings
>The worst insult she could come up with is "jew"
>Meanwhile conservatives who agree with her would have called me a tranny
Poor girl. Dissonance tearing your brain in two.

>>42468871
>Gospel of Thomas
So not canon, therefore unbiblical?
Yeah, you really have to reach beyond the bible to find anything remotely pro tranny

>>42468974
>The worst insult she could come up with is "jew"
NTA but that is the worst insult.

>>42468825
>that doesn't mean it's impossible for a single conservative on this planet to come to understand that it is not a lie without having an incurable case of cognitive dissonance
if he truly "understood" your transition as in accepted some people are born trans and need transition to be so, but continued to vouch for conservative opinions that say the exact opposite of that, it would be a case of cognitive dissonance.
You're asking why can't a communist be a capitalist without being contradictory. Your setting is logically flawed

>>42468986
For the people who agree with her worldview the worst insult is actually tranny, lmao

>>42468991
but he wouldn't vouch for the opinions that say the exact opposite. he'd just vouch for like the nuclear family.

Red flag? Maybe but it definitely brings up a lot of questions why he'd be dating me in the first place. Those channels aren't particularly fond of trans issues or people for that matter so it'd probably result in a very long, very awkward conversation with him.

>>42469000
That's what cognitive dissonance is all about. Holding two opinions that directly contradict each other is just madness.
Cognitive dissonance is all about having two conflicting beliefs that don't fit well with one another, like believing in the traditional definition of a heteronormative family unit, but also believing you can change your gender, which just challenges everything about the traditional family unit.

>>42469006
>believing in the traditional definition of a heteronormative family unit, but also believing you can change your gender
you obviously haven't read anything i've said. i am hypothesizing someone with the perspective that one's neurosex determines a person's gender, and that is immutable and present from birth. no one's gender 'changes' in that world.

>>42469011
You are hypothesizing a conservative man afflicted with cognitive dissonance.
Believing in "neurosex" is fundamentally against the conservative zeitgeist on sex and gender, which believe in the biological physicality of sex and assigned gender at birth. You can call it what you want, the conservative perspective is that you are changing your birth gender into something else.
Your hypothesis continues the same it was 1 hour ago
>What if a conservative makes an exception for me?

>>42468907
i just wanted to say that you are right and not to let these braindead obsessed shitlibs demoralize you
many of us here agree with you

>>42469023
Right wing politics are terrible even if you exclude the anti lgbt, anti immigration, racist and religious bullshit. Right wing economic policy is about making poor people poorer and rich people richer. That's all it is.

>>42469019
>which believe in the biological physicality of sex and assigned gender at birth
why does it have to be physical rather than neurological? i don't think the physicality is the critical component, and the physicality does line up in 99% of cases. it's just that for this 1% we have to bear in mind that the fundamental thing is really the neurology. and as i have said already, i understand what the broad conservative perspective is, my only point is that a worldview which is typically conservative except for in its acceptance of transsexuals in the way i'm describing is not logically inconsistent.

>>42469028
oh no, won't someone think of the 70 IQ browns who want to ethnically replace your people and literally kill you in cold blood?

>>42469023
This place is a right wing cesspool, it is expected. You're a tranny trying to win the favour of your executioner by being one of the good prisoners

>>42469028
wake up cis, all these incels care about is making life worse for immigrants and brown people, even if they go down with their victims. All you had to say was conservatism is racist and they would jump on board

>>42469041
>This place is a right wing cesspool
i wish it were and people like you fucked off back to r*ddit
>You're a tranny trying to win the favour of your executioner by being one of the good prisoners
i have the truth on my side
thats the only thing that matters

>>42469037
>don't see others as humans
So let me guess, you see these people just like conservatives see you?

>>42469050
>>don't see others as humans
you have just spent an entire thread dehumanizing a good half of the population
0 self awareness

>>42469030
>why does it have to be physical rather than neurological?
Because conservatives don't even believe in what you call "neurological sexuality". To them, sex is godly and deterministic, and your genitals at birth tell the whole story.
To undo this, you must undo the great wall separating gender roles and keeping patriarchy hegemonic. Which is something the west has done, partially. Your existence depends on it.

>>42469059
>Because conservatives don't even believe in what you call "neurological sexuality".
julius evola talked about "neurological sexuality" decades before any scientist ever did
you're braindead

>>42469053
Exposing conservative bigotry isn't dehumanizing them, at no point I argued they should suffer any consequences for their beliefs, only that these beliefs are anti trans at their core.
You however were quick to paint the entirety millions of immigrants as dumb people who are "out to get you" which exposes your limited perspective on the issue of immigration. How many immigrants are LGBT people themselves running away from persecution?

>>42469037
You are part of the poor people. Only the richest 1% benefits from right wing policy.